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Does this apply for scores achieved before the system was in place?
i.e. Were you logging date of achievement for scores since the beginning of osu!, or do they all start from when pp was introduced?
@ Yodasnipe: abs(Δt)
I never noticed that.
(brb, re-FC'ing Neomax)
(unless the map turns out to be really hard and not many players are actually able to make a score, but that would be also clear to see in the score made by other players)
Of course, there's also the issue right now that I'd be wary about comparing things from update to update, because we don't know when or how the system might have been adjusted (but it seems to be stable for the last few). But you may still want to experiment by playing some harder maps and seeing if things don't turn around.
I play the easy ones for SS since i'm an acc hoar ;P
Ok so, peppy, is that true or not?
But if you have passed this map with hd, or even without mods, with SS mark - you are pro.
I mean if you can't stand the speed on standard DT but still FC the map and get a poor acc I understand you're not totally rewarded, but I don't think Accu on CtB have to worth same...
If you don't want to explain how this works then I guess this could be farmed if we knew how it works, right?
Yes, you got it wrong.
accuracy matters but not to that extreme
WHAT ABOUT GLADI, DISRESPECTTTTTTTTTT
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Something that would be nice eventually would be to see our change of pp over time especially if PP doesn't go real time. Like if I could go to my profile or something and see how much pp I've lost or gained in the last day or week or some other time frame. It would make it so I wouldn't have to write down the number at every update to gauge my overall progress of how much number wise I've been improving. Thanks for all the work so far on it. 
I was thinking the same way.darkmiz wrote:
I prefer the performance rank to show up in our user profile instead of score rank.
jakeisquite bad at choosing good anime. But he brings up a good point about seeing change in pp. I support this idea!
accuracy is considered.
FFFFFFFUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU, my accuracy just sucks =(
FFFFFFFUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU, my accuracy just sucks =(
I still wonder how does the decay work, does it work on 24 hour intervals or per update? Seeing I lost another point (which makes it 2 in the past 24 hours). Not that I care that much about it, I am still curious about the system though. 
I plan on having a graph in profiles showing pp over time (but I want to fix up all the graphs in the process, hopefully this weekend).
Decay works based on absolute time relative since your scores were recorded.
Decay works based on absolute time relative since your scores were recorded.
absolute... time... relative...
and we bring about the physics professors to decrypt this!
and we bring about the physics professors to decrypt this!
peppy wrote:
I plan on having a graph in profiles showing pp over time (but I want to fix up all the graphs in the process, hopefully this weekend).
Decay works based on absolute time relative since your scores were recorded.
Does this apply for scores achieved before the system was in place?
i.e. Were you logging date of achievement for scores since the beginning of osu!, or do they all start from when pp was introduced?
@ Yodasnipe: abs(Δt)
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score set now
dates are there hover over a replay.
Huh.YodaSnipe wrote:
dates are there hover over a replay.
I never noticed that.
(brb, re-FC'ing Neomax)
Does that include fixing/displaying recently played/most played beatmaps?peppy wrote:
I plan on having a graph in profiles showing pp over time (but I want to fix up all the graphs in the process, hopefully this weekend).
Thanks for clearing that up. Less skilled players are indeed likely to have a good number of top 1,000s especially because not all of the maps are played as much.peppy wrote:
Currently scores that rank in the top 1,000 of each difficulty are considered. I figure this is already more than ample.Sakisan2 wrote:
I don't think this system only takes into account plays that placed top x. (with x being whatever)
It wouldn't be able to rank people that have no, or very few, top x ranks.
If I may continue taking guesses, I'd say the difficulty-weighting of a map is also defined by the all the players having scores on that map. The map you mention was approved yesterday, so it hasn't as many skilled players in its top 1,000 as other approved maps. I'm sure your plays on this map will have more effect on your pp when your plays can be compared to more players.Tom94 wrote:
Ranked on several difficulties, but gained no pp at all.
http://osu.ppy.sh/s/40344
Is the evaluation of approved maps maybe broken or does it only count maps which exist for some time already?
(unless the map turns out to be really hard and not many players are actually able to make a score, but that would be also clear to see in the score made by other players)
Tom's observation was also before the stats were even updated.
You do not worry about farming?peppy wrote:
Disclosure of the system will come with time.ReVeNg3r wrote:
peppy i think do not tell people what to do to rank up because of abusing...
I think this is awesome, now we know where we actually stand. And personally I will have something further to work towards once I've finished all the maps.
I'm still puzzled by this new ranking system.
Does the amount of maps that you have passed matters?
And I just can't understand how can a player played a few hundred times can reach a high level at about #9000. I even can't see any amazing records in his recent history(actually, it has nothing in it)
Does the amount of maps that you have passed matters?
And I just can't understand how can a player played a few hundred times can reach a high level at about #9000. I even can't see any amazing records in his recent history(actually, it has nothing in it)
On the "Performance" ranking list, having pp difference for the "minus pp numbers" is not a good idea. I would rather see how many points they have earned/reduced instead.
On off-topic note, the Performance Ranking on our profile has thousand separator, while the Ranked Score ranking is not.
On off-topic note, the Performance Ranking on our profile has thousand separator, while the Ranked Score ranking is not.
If the system becomes possible to farm when people understands how it works, then it doesn't really do what it's supposed to do. Players will eventually somewhat guess how this works in a few months, the fact that peppy is saying he will explain how it works just means he is confident about it not being a farming system.ReVeNg3r wrote:
you do not worry about farming?
Tom69_old
The number was when they started updating, thus not accurate unless you were in the top few.
If decay works on existing old scores compared to new scores made in the top1000, and considers the decay difference between players with higher pp and lower pp from when their scores were set... I think you must be using a supercomputer to do your calculations.
Say Joe Soap sets a 2009 score, and only now in 2012 Joe Bloggs beats it, will it reward Joe Bloggs less pp for that?
The calculations took like 4 days at first, it's gotta be something like this, right?
Say Joe Soap sets a 2009 score, and only now in 2012 Joe Bloggs beats it, will it reward Joe Bloggs less pp for that?
The calculations took like 4 days at first, it's gotta be something like this, right?
Tom69_old
Peppy mentioned today in the #osu chat that a Hidden SS score is better than a 96% Hidden+DoubleTime score in terms of Performance Points by about 50%. I'd just like to point out that if this is truly the case and it remains, this ranking system will be inaccurate for a number of reasons.
The main reasons are that the actual score and individual map ranking offered by Hidden+DoubleTime scores are quite a bit higher and it is typically much more difficult to achieve a 96% Hidden+DoubleTime score than a 100% score with Hidden in most beatmaps (e.g. Cookiezi's score on http://osu.ppy.sh/b/95360 as opposed to ragelewa's). Because of these two reasons, skilled players will typically strive to set low-accuracy Hidden+DoubleTime scores as opposed to high-accuracy Hidden ones, even if a number outside of the actual score tells them that they are doing worse.
Another flaw in this system of ranking is that because Hidden SS scores are worth less points than a Hidden+DoubleTime score with low accuracy, it is impossible to "fix" Performance Points by replacing a former Hidden+DoubleTime score with a normal Hidden score. This means that even if a player wants to increase his or her Performance Points after setting a higher score, he or she will be unable to. This will make moderately skilled players who can hit accurately lower ranked in terms of Performance Points than high-level players like Cookiezi and White Wolf who set ridiculous 95% Hidden+DoubleTime scores, at least for some individual maps.
I won't be able to take this ranking system seriously if accuracy is so important to it.
The main reasons are that the actual score and individual map ranking offered by Hidden+DoubleTime scores are quite a bit higher and it is typically much more difficult to achieve a 96% Hidden+DoubleTime score than a 100% score with Hidden in most beatmaps (e.g. Cookiezi's score on http://osu.ppy.sh/b/95360 as opposed to ragelewa's). Because of these two reasons, skilled players will typically strive to set low-accuracy Hidden+DoubleTime scores as opposed to high-accuracy Hidden ones, even if a number outside of the actual score tells them that they are doing worse.
Another flaw in this system of ranking is that because Hidden SS scores are worth less points than a Hidden+DoubleTime score with low accuracy, it is impossible to "fix" Performance Points by replacing a former Hidden+DoubleTime score with a normal Hidden score. This means that even if a player wants to increase his or her Performance Points after setting a higher score, he or she will be unable to. This will make moderately skilled players who can hit accurately lower ranked in terms of Performance Points than high-level players like Cookiezi and White Wolf who set ridiculous 95% Hidden+DoubleTime scores, at least for some individual maps.
I won't be able to take this ranking system seriously if accuracy is so important to it.
You are wrong on all accounts. Go shoot yourself.
does the new system detect the hardest map too?
there are some maps like this, so yeah
there are some maps like this, so yeah
But, no I'm not. Everything that I said in that post is true, except for maybe the final point (the one about being unable to "fix" scores), assuming that this system only accepts the play that offers the highest number of Performance Points for ranking. Because every other stat in this game only accepts the play with the highest score, I assume the same is true with this new ranking system.
only counting top40s is insufficient...this is inaccurate,i see there some better players below me..also is true that when they play unrankable they can´t rank up..
Please read, and don't assume.
wtf did I just readReVeNg3r wrote:
only counting top40s is insufficient...this is inaccurate,i see there some better players below me..also is true that when they play unrankable they can´t rank up..
So what does it mean if I'm losing 1 or 2 points every update, even if I'm active?
Cookiezi doesn't even play, so it's unreasonable to demand that he stays at #1. Everyone knows that he's #1 in skill so it doesn't matter.
I don't think it's too much to ask for the best player to be #1, regardless of inactivity. If it's required to play new maps to become #1, then it'd mean farming is possible in this ranking system.
I can't speak for the actual PP system, but if I was designing a system to meet the requirements presented, then in addition to just playing the game to gain (or maintain rank), the plays would have to be statistically relevant by some metric. Meaning that you'd need to be proving that your rank should be higher, which would require playing maps that are sufficiently hard (or modified to be) for your current rank and then playing them well enough to prove that you dominate them. Playing maps well beneath your level would never be worth anything (ie only people with a really low rating would gain anything from going around top ranking Normals, and they'd very quickly run into a wall... making farming meaningless).BlazingFX wrote:
So what does it mean if I'm losing 1 or 2 points every update, even if I'm active?
Of course, there's also the issue right now that I'd be wary about comparing things from update to update, because we don't know when or how the system might have been adjusted (but it seems to be stable for the last few). But you may still want to experiment by playing some harder maps and seeing if things don't turn around.
It's too much to ask. He quit playing. If we think about it that way, WW is the best player right now (just because he actually plays). Cookiezi is the best player ever, but comparing a player who doesn't play anymore to players who play, is just silly.Kyou-kun wrote:
I don't think it's too much to ask for the best player to be #1, regardless of inactivity. If it's required to play new maps to become #1, then it'd mean farming is possible in this ranking system.
Thanks ^^ I do play hard/insanes too, just without mods, so I don't typically rank in the top 50. (so you don't see this in my profile)bwross wrote:
I can't speak for the actual PP system, but if I was designing a system to meet the requirements presented, then in addition to just playing the game to gain (or maintain rank), the plays would have to be statistically relevant by some metric. Meaning that you'd need to be proving that your rank should be higher, which would require playing maps that are sufficiently hard (or modified to be) for your current rank and then playing them well enough to prove that you dominate them. Playing maps well beneath your level would never be worth anything (ie only people with a really low rating would gain anything from going around top ranking Normals, and they'd very quickly run into a wall... making farming meaningless).BlazingFX wrote:
So what does it mean if I'm losing 1 or 2 points every update, even if I'm active?
Of course, there's also the issue right now that I'd be wary about comparing things from update to update, because we don't know when or how the system might have been adjusted (but it seems to be stable for the last few). But you may still want to experiment by playing some harder maps and seeing if things don't turn around.
I play the easy ones for SS since i'm an acc hoar ;P
But an objective system that doesn't have such knowledge shouldn't take a player's career activity into account. It should only take into account the player's skill. Even if the system did somehow have that knowledge, I still disagree with your claim that White Wolf is the best player right now. Cookiezi still exists so he is still the best player until someone exceeds him, even after his death.ragelewa wrote:
It's too much to ask. He quit playing. If we think about it that way, WW is the best player right now (just because he actually plays). Cookiezi is the best player ever, but comparing a player who doesn't play anymore to players who play, is just silly.Kyou-kun wrote:
I don't think it's too much to ask for the best player to be #1, regardless of inactivity. If it's required to play new maps to become #1, then it'd mean farming is possible in this ranking system.
I like cake.
This is not a pure skill ranking, it's a performance ranking.
Cookiezi has quit the game a while ago, so he doesn't perform.
People that actually perform well at the moment can pass him.
Makes a lot of sense to me.
Cookiezi has quit the game a while ago, so he doesn't perform.
People that actually perform well at the moment can pass him.
Makes a lot of sense to me.
But nobody really can pass Cookiezi in most of his top scores. He's still the best.Luna wrote:
This is not a pure skill ranking, it's a performance ranking.
Cookiezi has quit the game a while ago, so he doesn't perform.
People that actually perform well at the moment can pass him.
Makes a lot of sense to me.
Like that matters. Luna has a point and you can't go against it by saying that cookiezi is still the best.Kyou-kun wrote:
But nobody really can pass Cookiezi in most of his top scores. He's still the best.Luna wrote:
This is not a pure skill ranking, it's a performance ranking.
Cookiezi has quit the game a while ago, so he doesn't perform.
People that actually perform well at the moment can pass him.
Makes a lot of sense to me.
But Luna's point is that people can pass him. I went against it by saying that people can't pass him; he's still better than everyone else. He only "stopped performing" less than a month ago, anyways. That's more of a small break than the end of a career.ragelewa wrote:
Like that matters. Luna has a point and you can't go against it by saying that cookiezi is still the best.
OK, we get it. You have a hard-on for cookiezi. Now respond with something productive instead of declaring your love for him in every post.Kyou-kun wrote:
But Luna's point is that people can pass him. I went against it by saying that people can't pass him; he's still better than everyone else. He only "stopped performing" less than a month ago, anyways. That's more of a small break than the end of a career.ragelewa wrote:
Like that matters. Luna has a point and you can't go against it by saying that cookiezi is still the best.
^ Boy, that sure was productive!
jakeisquite how about you start learning how to not be an asshole
jakeisquite how about you start learning how to not be an asshole
Did you miss the entire thing about "performing"? If you read that then you would understand. Maybe you're just ignoring that part on purpose.Kyou-kun wrote:
But Luna's point is that people can pass him. I went against it by saying that people can't pass him; he's still better than everyone else. He only "stopped performing" less than a month ago, anyways. That's more of a small break than the end of a career.
Kyou-kun wrote:
He only "stopped performing" less than a month ago, anyways. That's more of a small break than the end of a career.
And what ragelewa said.Cookiezi wrote:
i'll quit osu playing
don't ask play or why
As much as I feel Kyou-kun is correct, I kinda have to agree with the points ragelewa brings up. SImply because this is a "Performance" rating.
Just because he said he's quitting osu! doesn't mean that it's true. Anyone who actually knows the petty reasoning behind it would realize that he's coming back eventually anyways. Besides, so far it's been nothing more than a short break.JappyBabes wrote:
Kyou-kun wrote:
He only "stopped performing" less than a month ago, anyways. That's more of a small break than the end of a career.And what ragelewa said.Cookiezi wrote:
i'll quit osu playing
don't ask play or why
Then shine with the truth upon us, and tell us the "truth" behind that bad words that cookiezi wrote, since I am not one of that chosen people to know all the secrets of life.
This is supposed to fix having a stagnant ranking. If you want the same people in the top 50 forever, then follow this simple step:
as much as we all think that cookiezi is still #1 (in our hearts), you can't expect the pp system to rank him as such; cookiezi hasn't been playing for weeks now and WW has 1700+ top ranks (however obscure) which is a ridiculous achievement by itself
i honestly don't think you can just make a new account, SS big black, and watch your pp fly to 6.6k. there is -some- sort of farming involved, one song or maybe a hundred doesnt cover all aspects of the game imo
i honestly don't think you can just make a new account, SS big black, and watch your pp fly to 6.6k. there is -some- sort of farming involved, one song or maybe a hundred doesnt cover all aspects of the game imo
I think it is good as it is and very accurate
I would personally find a month more than a "short" break but that's just me. Not playing for a period of time will decrease your PP slightly. It's that simple.Kyou-kun wrote:
Just because he said he's quitting osu! doesn't mean that it's true. Anyone who actually knows the petty reasoning behind it would realize that he's coming back eventually anyways. Besides, so far it's been nothing more than a short break.
LOL.Kyou-kun wrote:
Peppy mentioned today in the #osu chat that a Hidden SS score is better than a 96% Hidden+DoubleTime score in terms of Performance Points by about 50%. I'd just like to point out that if this is truly the case and it remains, this ranking system will be inaccurate for a number of reasons.
Ok so, peppy, is that true or not?
It was a number I pulled from my ass in casual chat, with little relevance. I stated as such, but have of course been quoted out of context.
23:06 < Kyou-kun> for example, HDDT 96% is better than HD 100%That said, I don't entirely disagree with such a statement (which is why I said it). If you can't play DT accurately then don't. Accuracy > All (and nothin' you say can change my mind on that one).
23:06 <@ppy> not anymore
23:06 <@ppy> it's around 50% worse
23:06 <@ppy> but i didn't say that
So what do you think about this:
http://osu.ppy.sh/s/29044
Is SiLviA's score worth more than Cookiezi's because of accuracy@new ranking system?
http://osu.ppy.sh/s/29044
Is SiLviA's score worth more than Cookiezi's because of accuracy@new ranking system?
I'm not releasing such details, apart from saying it is "fair". If you can't accept that then -> [door]
I'm just asking about a case like that, where I'm sorry but it's way too clear that Cookiezi's score is even harder than HR+HD SS meaning it should be worth way more than some HD SS. If you really think SiLviA's score is worth more than Cookie's there well... then your system will fail to judge player's "performances".
Don't edit my posts you can just answer them by clicking quote.
Don't edit my posts you can just answer them by clicking quote.
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You have my full support for your view on accuracypeppy wrote:
That said, I don't entirely disagree with such a statement (which is why I said it). If you can't play DT accurately then don't. Accuracy > All (and nothin' you say can change my mind on that one).
So, for good perfomance I have to stop skilling up, and i need just to play every single map with hd over9000 times until got SS?
No just get good, even with bad accuracy, then come back and fix it once you're good
Topic Starter
Stop skilling up? I don't get it._Angel wrote:
So, for good perfomance I have to stop skilling up, and i need just to play every single map with hd over9000 times until got SS?
I'd assume not playing maps with difficult mods because SS is worth more.kriers wrote:
Stop skilling up? I don't get it._Angel wrote:
So, for good perfomance I have to stop skilling up, and i need just to play every single map with hd over9000 times until got SS?
DoubleTime reduces the timing window for hitting a 300 by 1.5x. DoubleTime also makes the player play 1.5x as fast on top of this. Because of this, people typically aren't as accurate as with Hidden, which is basically just an alternate approach circle. Accuracy is rewarded just fine in this game. Score needs to be the main focus of this ranking system because of the reasons I listed on page 58.
Here's a little suggestion guys: rather than listening to these preachers, go improve your scores and watch your pp increase. Don't examine too closely because I guarantee that is counter-productive. I know how this game works; I know the flaws of the score system and I know how to solve them. This is my solution.
Topic Starter
I'd like to know, though. Is this an act to revert player's focus away from DT spam and back on to SS ranking again?
Well if you're good at DT like Black Sheep or something, works the same!
This is a rhythm game. People tend to forget that simple thing for some reason.
So yeah, accuracy should be considered more than it is right now, so I'm glad about this.
So yeah, accuracy should be considered more than it is right now, so I'm glad about this.
so basically SS no-mod is worth more than DT,right ?
so basically no, you are misunderstanding everything.
dNextGen go sleep, this system is awesome.
I love you peppy, though I do not love you for not making me #1 in it.
I love you peppy, though I do not love you for not making me #1 in it.
^i lol'd
Basically, if you have been breaking your fingers while trying to pass insane with DT, and finally have passed map with 93% you are noob,dNextGen wrote:
so basically SS no-mod is worth more than DT,right ?
But if you have passed this map with hd, or even without mods, with SS mark - you are pro.
Incorrect. Speculation is okay, but stop assuming you know how the calculation is done. It will only confuse people.
And due to that, I'm unlinking this thread from the performance ranking page. Farewell~.
And due to that, I'm unlinking this thread from the performance ranking page. Farewell~.
So do you guys only want to know how pp works and play for it? Its a new ranking (or judgement) system alot of people wished for and now we have it and you are going crazy about it lol.
Why dont you just keep playing as you used to before, its not like this would change your playstyle or anything. peppy allready said it is fair and favors skills so...
Why dont you just keep playing as you used to before, its not like this would change your playstyle or anything. peppy allready said it is fair and favors skills so...
Not trying to change your mind but is this true for CtB ?peppy wrote:
Accuracy > All (and nothin' you say can change my mind on that one).
I mean if you can't stand the speed on standard DT but still FC the map and get a poor acc I understand you're not totally rewarded, but I don't think Accu on CtB have to worth same...
you're forgetting about the grid http://osu.ppy.sh/b/87570ragelewa wrote:
This is a rhythm game. People tend to forget that simple thing for some reason.
So yeah, accuracy should be considered more than it is right now, so I'm glad about this.
Following fast rhythms is harder than following slow rhythms. With your reasoning lewa if you just mapped some [Easy] and put OD 10, what result do you think you'll get? Think about it, this game is about aim and accuracy, if you want some accuracy game only go play Taiko on relax.ragelewa wrote:
This is a rhythm game. People tend to forget that simple thing for some reason.
So yeah, accuracy should be considered more than it is right now, so I'm glad about this.
Your problem was, is and probably will ever be that you don't play the game. Getting SS HD is easier than DT HD / HR HD 94~96%.peppy wrote:
Here's a little suggestion guys: rather than listening to these preachers, go improve your scores and watch your pp increase. Don't examine too closely because I guarantee that is counter-productive. I know how this game works; I know the flaws of the score system and I know how to solve them. This is my solution.
If you don't want to explain how this works then I guess this could be farmed if we knew how it works, right?
@peppy: What if i take a break of like 3 months or so from the game and lose a LOT of pp points, then come back, will i lose all the good scores points i did in the past? will all those good scores be lost and i'll have to do points in another way? .. i find that kind of odd, i mean comming back should restore the points you had before, after ceirtan weeks imo.
also i agree with lewa and kriers on this, i love that one ^__^, rythim and accuracy > all,
haters gonna hate and potatoes gonna potato
also i agree with lewa and kriers on this, i love that one ^__^, rythim and accuracy > all,
haters gonna hate and potatoes gonna potato
Iono about all the complicated stuff and I'm not gonna make assumptions but, I had an SSHD on a map that I DT HDed and went up pp :/
and my accuracy on that map was like 96 or something.
and my accuracy on that map was like 96 or something.
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As long as the new accuracy focal point affects PP and not the actual score you get for the map I see no problem. So people going for DT+HD records still get #1 on a map but they wouldn't get as much PP as someone who got SS and HD and is rank #30 on that same map. This gives mouse only players a chance to strut their stuff in terms of skill measurement, mainly because competing against a tablet player mouse only you stand no chance whatsoever and mouse only requires alot of skill, this evens the playing field a bit.
Or maybe I got it wrong..this new system is a little confusing.
Or maybe I got it wrong..this new system is a little confusing.
It's the same as what Metro wanted to do/did at IDL, if you're good you gonna get back your points by playing like you used to do.
@Salvage.
@Salvage.
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Soly totally just started a mouse is harder than tablet debate.
i think people are getting this wrong. Maybe SSHD gets some more "points" than DTHD, but maybe this "bonus points" are multiplied on some factor by the score or position(ranking) u get on the map, so after all math is done ... DTHD still gets u a little more pp than SSHD. I might be wrong or not, but we won't know till peppy wants we to know his pp calculation algorithm. Untill that, we can only speculate
Some what surprised that 'JappyBabes achieved rank #43 on Misato Aki - Sayonara Kimi no Koe [Insane] (osu!)' got barely any PP for me, considering that it's a fairly popular map.
This.Mesita wrote:
Untill that, we can only speculate
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and what when someone can fc a really insane map with low acc? still is acc more important ?Soly wrote:
I don't know, I'm just playing around with ideas. I'd assume accuracy is still more important than anything. FL would just mainly contribute to score rather than PP or something. IDK lol.
quite the contrary. I have the utmost respect for mouse players. silvia, and kriers, and silentwings are three of my favourite osu! players... sooo... yeah?Soly wrote:
No, I just feel that good mouse players shouldn't fade into obscurity. And yeah, it is harder. The fact that you think it isn't degrades good mouse players.
omg, ofc yes, a higher acc will mean a higher ranking on the said map--> higher ranking and higher acc --> more pp.ReVeNg3r wrote:
and what when someone can fc a really insane map with low acc? still is acc more important ?Soly wrote:
I don't know, I'm just playing around with ideas. I'd assume accuracy is still more important than anything. FL would just mainly contribute to score rather than PP or something. IDK lol.
Soly wrote:
As long as the new accuracy focal point affects PP and not the actual score you get for the map I see no problem. So people going for DT+HD records still get #1 on a map but they wouldn't get as much PP as someone who got SS and HD and is rank #30 on that same map. This gives mouse only players a chance to strut their stuff in terms of skill measurement, mainly because competing against a tablet player mouse only you stand no chance whatsoever and mouse only requires alot of skill, this evens the playing field a bit.
Or maybe I got it wrong..this new system is a little confusing.
Yes, you got it wrong.
accuracy matters but not to that extreme
YodaSnipe wrote:
quite the contrary. I have the utmost respect for mouse players. silvia, and kriers, and silentwings are three of my favourite osu! players... sooo... yeah?Soly wrote:
No, I just feel that good mouse players shouldn't fade into obscurity. And yeah, it is harder. The fact that you think it isn't degrades good mouse players.
WHAT ABOUT GLADI, DISRESPECTTTTTTTTTT