Pasonia, I'm sticking with the claim that I'm a guardian angel or support mage, whatever.
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Who's who?? I don't even know any other roles.
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Who's who?? I don't even know any other roles.
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I'm appalled at seeing us up to page 22 of this thread already.
And I'm throwing my two cents in by saying don't vote for kuwarudo. It's not worth it. xD
And I'm throwing my two cents in by saying don't vote for kuwarudo. It's not worth it. xD
YellowYoshi1 quietly listened to the large amount of strategy and debate going on as he leaned on the wall of a nearby building. He looked out to the ocean and wished he was out there somewhere, sailing away from this place.
Finally, he walked towards where people were gathered and began to speak, "Look, there's no way of knowing whose claims are true and whose are false, so I'd recommend being a little more hesitant in trusting people around here. As for me? I don't like Echo's constant claims of being a a civilian. Why's he find it so necessary to continually mention it?"
YellowYoshi1 tells everyone to be a little more hesitant in trusting people and then voices his distrust of Echo. Lynch vote changed to Echo.
Finally, he walked towards where people were gathered and began to speak, "Look, there's no way of knowing whose claims are true and whose are false, so I'd recommend being a little more hesitant in trusting people around here. As for me? I don't like Echo's constant claims of being a a civilian. Why's he find it so necessary to continually mention it?"
YellowYoshi1 tells everyone to be a little more hesitant in trusting people and then voices his distrust of Echo. Lynch vote changed to Echo.
coming in as a nonplayer im really wondering why the heck people doubt Echo's logic when its perfectly easy to follow by anyone with half a brain regardless of his actual role. As he said, anyone could pick up a book on game theory and find all of that, or turn on their minds for a moment and realize it for themselves.
That is all.
That is all.
Pasonia just jumped up 10 points on my suspicion list, I mean, voting on Kuwarudo because he might reveal "the who's who"? That doesn't even make sense, if you mean he'll reaveal the aux roles, it would seem that no one besides Suburu would even be able to put up with him (which itself is pretty damn suspicious) which would mean he could only reveal Suburu who is already revealed, I don't know about you but I think most asassins actually read the thread.
If it's around a 33% chance then why not kill someone else who might be an assassin? I mean atleast kuwarudo has a chance of helping us.
I would like to know what you mean by "aux roles would unknowingly reveal themselves to the Assassins." we still need aux roles, are you suggesting we should kill the roles because they reveal themselves? (I really don't get what you mean, seriously)
I've probably misunderstood most of what you've said, you could be alot clearer with what you said (instead of mysteriously confusing.) so for now atleast, I'm watching you.
If it's around a 33% chance then why not kill someone else who might be an assassin? I mean atleast kuwarudo has a chance of helping us.
I would like to know what you mean by "aux roles would unknowingly reveal themselves to the Assassins." we still need aux roles, are you suggesting we should kill the roles because they reveal themselves? (I really don't get what you mean, seriously)
I've probably misunderstood most of what you've said, you could be alot clearer with what you said (instead of mysteriously confusing.) so for now atleast, I'm watching you.
What sort of logic is that? If you think we should kill someone random and hope for the 33% (it's more like 27%, actually), then kill someone who hasn't said a word yet. Not someone who claims a strong role who, like adam said, actually has a chance of helping us.Pasonia wrote:
we've got a sizable number of players this so the first-day lynch doesn't really matter.
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He might be an aux, yes, but what if he reveals his knowledge of the "who's who" to the assassins? That'll be baaaaaaaaad.
I think we should lynch someone who hasn't talked yet. Someone who doesn't contribute is either a normal villager or an assassin. If you pick someone who hasn't posted yet, I'll say you get a 50% chance of killing an assassin.
RP time. 
Jinxy watches the fight for the life of Kuu, the idiot that could help or harm.
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"The last game was never this nuts."
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Jinxy watches the fight for the life of Kuu, the idiot that could help or harm.
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"The last game was never this nuts."
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We can keep the idiotic posts, but the ones Im pissed about is the Item Creation posts. They are irrelevent and offer 0% help, compared to idiotic posts' 5% help.Sir Minelli wrote:
About deleting posts. I disagree.
I know there are stupid lame posts with no sense. Unluckily or luckily, we already read them all.
Besides this forum IS for posting crap, even if doing so fucks up the entire game.
You can't delete posts. You will be messing with personal thoughts/ideas. Wouldn't be fair.
Don't get me wrong. I'm totally against "LameNotGameRelatedPostsWtfWereYouThinkingBeforePostingThis?"
I suggest a GAME RULE saying that the posts inside the game thread should relate to the GAME only and should focus on the development of the game, rather than focusing on bringing the game down.
This goes for everyone.
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What radio?commandhat wrote:
I really wouldn't expect that he'd be using radio as a source for his reason, I mean, he could just ignore it.
JInxyjem, I would take the former of the your statement.
And thanks for still calling me Kuu.
JInxyjem wrote:
Jinxy watches the fight for the life of Kuu, the idiot that could help or harm.
And thanks for still calling me Kuu.
HOW'D YOU GET IN HERE THIS IS A PRIVATE ISLAND GET OUTSaturos-fangirl wrote:
coming in as a nonplayer im really wondering why the heck people doubt Echo's logic when its perfectly easy to follow by anyone with half a brain regardless of his actual role. As he said, anyone could pick up a book on game theory and find all of that, or turn on their minds for a moment and realize it for themselves.
That is all.
*cough*
Echo's logic makes sense but I'm going to go with nardi. I've got my eye on you Echo. *peers suspiciously*
I don't understand where this is going. How can you be able to tell the role of someone in day 1? There's no evidence to back up what anyone says. I mean, I'm not exact;y experienced at werewolf, but kuu just has it coming.
Damned I tried using my mobile to post.
Anyway, I saw most of what has been written here prior to getting home so I'll list out a few points.
1. I just don't like kuwarudo, like I said, no matter if he's an aux or not, I'll be happy to see him go. I'll feel better if I know that one of my votes helped in seeing him off this game.
2. Of course I'm civvy. The odds are 27% to be an assassin, like Echo said.
3. Echo, the way you defended kuwarudo is suspicious, after reading your defence and highly-charged comments. Firstly, without knowing if kuwarudo really is a civilianor not, why are you so eager to come to his defence? It works both ways to defend a person, you know, who's just claiming an important role, but you are SO sure that kuwarudo is an aux without even actually going through the first day. To me, that either means YOU are an assassin as well, or nothing else.
It all boils down to simpler logic than I earlier suggested.
Kuwarudo is human, and if you defend him and earn his trust, he might unwittingly become your ally and "spy" should he be human, and worse if he happens to be an aux.
Kuwarudo is an assassin, and you defend him because you know he is one.
Eight of us are still holding that wait-and-see approach. I guess they're being cautious. I won't, like a certain *someone*, just blindly suspect those people to be assassins simply because they are cautious. That's an even more haphazard approach than my suggestion to get a Cirno out of the game.
Anyway, I saw most of what has been written here prior to getting home so I'll list out a few points.
1. I just don't like kuwarudo, like I said, no matter if he's an aux or not, I'll be happy to see him go. I'll feel better if I know that one of my votes helped in seeing him off this game.
2. Of course I'm civvy. The odds are 27% to be an assassin, like Echo said.
3. Echo, the way you defended kuwarudo is suspicious, after reading your defence and highly-charged comments. Firstly, without knowing if kuwarudo really is a civilianor not, why are you so eager to come to his defence? It works both ways to defend a person, you know, who's just claiming an important role, but you are SO sure that kuwarudo is an aux without even actually going through the first day. To me, that either means YOU are an assassin as well, or nothing else.
It all boils down to simpler logic than I earlier suggested.
Kuwarudo is human, and if you defend him and earn his trust, he might unwittingly become your ally and "spy" should he be human, and worse if he happens to be an aux.
Kuwarudo is an assassin, and you defend him because you know he is one.
Eight of us are still holding that wait-and-see approach. I guess they're being cautious. I won't, like a certain *someone*, just blindly suspect those people to be assassins simply because they are cautious. That's an even more haphazard approach than my suggestion to get a Cirno out of the game.
If he's human, he will die tonight. There's no question about that. Otherwise, Suburu will be able to name two assassins instead of just one. In other words, as long as Suburu's alive, we can't kill kuwarudo or Suburu.
If both of them are still alive by tomorrow, then whether we kill them or not depends on what the coroner tells us about the person we killed on day 2.
This isn't taking sides; it's just logic! Besides, bringing your personal emotions into the game as a "reason" to vote someone off sounds very wrong to me.
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In summary:
Killing them hurts our chances at winning more than not killing them (for now).
Learn maths!
If both of them are still alive by tomorrow, then whether we kill them or not depends on what the coroner tells us about the person we killed on day 2.
This isn't taking sides; it's just logic! Besides, bringing your personal emotions into the game as a "reason" to vote someone off sounds very wrong to me.
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In summary:
Killing them hurts our chances at winning more than not killing them (for now).
Learn maths!
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Kuu, where has all your PW memory gone to?foulcoon wrote:
The accused one usually doesn't get a say.
I forgot, sir.
Ah, I'm losing my mood to go here, maybe I should just ask Ace. *sigh*
Ah, I'm losing my mood to go here, maybe I should just ask Ace. *sigh*
my version of "OOC".JInxyjem wrote:
<snip>What radio?commandhat wrote:
I really wouldn't expect that he'd be using radio as a source for his reason, I mean, he could just ignore it.
Won't say it now. But maybe if you read ALL of his posts, you will find out by yourself.Rolled wrote:
Is there any reason you don't want to share the theory with everybody else?Sir Minelli wrote:
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I will re vote against you if my theory is correct.
This is just a theory, therefore an abstract reasoning.
Personally i don't like to state something if i'm not at least 90% sure. And currently i'm 75%
-Sir Minelli munches an apple-
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adam2046 wrote:
I really don't want to read through those posts again...
You don't have to.
If I want to find out if he's a werewolf I do, and I want to know if he's a werewolf.
Do assassins know who the other Assassins are the first day?
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thx.... Ace can we get the list of the roles and the number of assassins around?YellowYoshi1 wrote:
All of the Assassins/Werewolves are a team. Just like the wolves had a pack leader in the first game, the assassins have a Turk leader in this one. They all know of each other and collaborate on their kills.Olinad wrote:
Do assassins know who the other Assassins are the first day?
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Uhh, the point in the game is to figure out who the assassins are.
Knowing who all the other civilians are would make it easy to pick assassins to lynch.
Also, in order for the werewolves to attack, their pack-leader must PM the host after reaching an agreement with the others. Obviously if they didn't know who each other were, they would never be able to attack.
Now please tell me you were playing dumb/are an assassin.
I've kinda realized why I feel pressured to wait until the last second to vote.
Everyone who has voted so far has raised suspicion to themselves, making voting a risky move no matter what. Also, those who vote early are at an instant disadvantage, as things could change dramatically and require changing the vote more than once, resulting in a suspicion...point(?).
Well, fuck the consequences, I vote for...
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Hang on, let me rethink this.
Edit: vvv HAHA. NINJA GET. vvv
Knowing who all the other civilians are would make it easy to pick assassins to lynch.
Also, in order for the werewolves to attack, their pack-leader must PM the host after reaching an agreement with the others. Obviously if they didn't know who each other were, they would never be able to attack.
Now please tell me you were playing dumb/are an assassin.
I've kinda realized why I feel pressured to wait until the last second to vote.
Everyone who has voted so far has raised suspicion to themselves, making voting a risky move no matter what. Also, those who vote early are at an instant disadvantage, as things could change dramatically and require changing the vote more than once, resulting in a suspicion...point(?).
Well, fuck the consequences, I vote for...
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Hang on, let me rethink this.
Edit: vvv HAHA. NINJA GET. vvv
What? That's not an unfair advantage at all. If normal civilians knew who are civilians than that would ruin the entire point of the game--to find out who are wolves/assassins and lynch them before they get all the humans. But if the wolves didn't know each other, they couldn't collaborate on who to kill. It's a balanced system.animask wrote:
So you're saying that all the assassins know each other before the game starts? That sounds like the assassins have an unfair advantage in the beginning. Doesn't that mean they can easily decide who to attack next? Do all the normal civilians get to know who the normal civilians are?YellowYoshi1 wrote:
All of the Assassins/Werewolves are a team. Just like the wolves had a pack leader in the first game, the assassins have a Turk leader in this one. They all know of each other and collaborate on their kills.Olinad wrote:
Do assassins know who the other Assassins are the first day?
If the above question is answered saying the assassins don't start out like that or the normal civilians really start out knowing who is actually a civilian then read the following or they don't know ( I don't really care )
I'm still not going to vote yet...I haven't decided yet...so I'll be one of the final votes...with the least possible amount of time I can
EDIT: ahhhhhhhhhhhh fuck you neo@lex and your ninja speed
thepianist is feeling quite troubled.
"Just a question guys - suppose a person the guardian angel protected, gets attacked by the assassins, but (s)he protected him/her, will we be notified who attacked the protected one?"
"Just a question guys - suppose a person the guardian angel protected, gets attacked by the assassins, but (s)he protected him/her, will we be notified who attacked the protected one?"
Topic Starter
First of all, my apologies for falling off the internet unintentionally last night; I had an ungodly long day at work and had time only to eat and go to bed.
Status is updated, but I apparently have much to say yet. I hope I remember to cover all your inquiries.
1) Yes, the Assassins (Wolves) are a team and all know each other, as it is in any Werewolf Game. This is one of the reasons why human Auxiliary Roles are used.
2) I'd love to see the "useless posts" pruned, but unfortunately, it is as JarJar said; all posts, including stupid and ridiculous ones, are of some importance; we can see who the idiots are and who's taking things seriously, and thus we can form opinions and execution vote decisions on said posts. Thus, game logic would dictate that (much as my personal opinion is in disagreement) all posts must be left as-is.
I'll check my PMbox now; I'm sure they're all from you guys and thus important. Okies, done.
Extra Note: Yeah, I was in a kinda bad mood last time I was here, but it had nothing to do with my absence last night (as explained at the beginning of this post). I don't hate any of you; those that I really wasn't fond of 2 days ago have all made attempts to become a bit more serious, so I will forgive.
I doubt I'll be back tonight; I must go to bed now.
Status is updated, but I apparently have much to say yet. I hope I remember to cover all your inquiries.
1) Yes, the Assassins (Wolves) are a team and all know each other, as it is in any Werewolf Game. This is one of the reasons why human Auxiliary Roles are used.
2) I'd love to see the "useless posts" pruned, but unfortunately, it is as JarJar said; all posts, including stupid and ridiculous ones, are of some importance; we can see who the idiots are and who's taking things seriously, and thus we can form opinions and execution vote decisions on said posts. Thus, game logic would dictate that (much as my personal opinion is in disagreement) all posts must be left as-is.
Extra Note: Yeah, I was in a kinda bad mood last time I was here, but it had nothing to do with my absence last night (as explained at the beginning of this post). I don't hate any of you; those that I really wasn't fond of 2 days ago have all made attempts to become a bit more serious, so I will forgive.
I doubt I'll be back tonight; I must go to bed now.
"Kuu, looks you and I are definitely visiting that gas chamber this game. D="
"IT MUST BE PARTY TIME WHILE WE CAN LIVE."
*arranges for A<3 to parachute Kuu a DS with the latest Phoenix Wright on it*
*starts writing a will*
I accept my fate, and hopes Kuu realizes his too
no, I'm not taking this seriously, just roleplaying, dolts
"IT MUST BE PARTY TIME WHILE WE CAN LIVE."
*arranges for A<3 to parachute Kuu a DS with the latest Phoenix Wright on it*
*starts writing a will*
I accept my fate, and hopes Kuu realizes his too
no, I'm not taking this seriously, just roleplaying, dolts
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thepianist looks around before walking to the tallyboard.
Earlier, he tried randInt(1,26) to vote, but after getting 14 once, he decided it wasn't such a great idea.
He wonders about Pasonia's judgment on Kuu. After all, it wouldn't hurt to wait another "day" to kill him, would it? Why such a great urgency to get rid of him, even if his attitude is slightly questionable (and decided to vote for me D: hahaha.)
thepianist closed his eyes and marked Pasonia as his vote. Maybe Kuu another day.
EDIT: Forgot to bold
Earlier, he tried randInt(1,26) to vote, but after getting 14 once, he decided it wasn't such a great idea.
He wonders about Pasonia's judgment on Kuu. After all, it wouldn't hurt to wait another "day" to kill him, would it? Why such a great urgency to get rid of him, even if his attitude is slightly questionable (and decided to vote for me D: hahaha.)
thepianist closed his eyes and marked Pasonia as his vote. Maybe Kuu another day.
EDIT: Forgot to bold
I'm sorry, thepianist. Actually, that wasn't a vote in reality, that was just an accusation. But now I'm sticking to it as a vote. Hope you don't think of me badly. 
Haha it's kk.kuwarudo wrote:
I'm sorry, thepianist. Actually, that wasn't a vote in reality, that was just an accusation. But now I'm sticking to it as a vote. Hope you don't think of me badly.
Just an fyi
Those who vote either kuwarudo or Suburu today will be pretty high on my suspicion chart. As I've already explained, it's against the interest of villagers to vote for them.
Those who vote either kuwarudo or Suburu today will be pretty high on my suspicion chart. As I've already explained, it's against the interest of villagers to vote for them.
Funny how you should say it that way. Both of those are already high on my "suspicion chart". The people who are defending them seem to be digging a slow grave, because they're asking for us all to blindly trust. It's very possible that these two are pulling the wool over our eyes.
Like I said: it doesn't matter whether they're assassins or not. Not killing them is more beneficial to the town than killing them.
If we don't kill them and:
Maybe you (and others) should stop just saying "oh, they might be assassins, let's kill them" and try to explain why it would benefit the town by having them killed. I think I've explained pretty thoroughly why we shouldn't kill them.
Btw it's funny how in RL games you tend to associate those who don't talk much, ie. the minority, with the werewolves, but online, you associate those who talk a lot, ie. the minority, with the werewolves.
If we don't kill them and:
- they are human: all is well.
- they are assassin: we don't lose anything - we still have one villager who dies every night.
- we have ~30% chance of killing a wolf instead
- they are human: we lose their abilities.
- If they are assassin: all is well.
- we have ~70% chance of killing a villager
Maybe you (and others) should stop just saying "oh, they might be assassins, let's kill them" and try to explain why it would benefit the town by having them killed. I think I've explained pretty thoroughly why we shouldn't kill them.
Btw it's funny how in RL games you tend to associate those who don't talk much, ie. the minority, with the werewolves, but online, you associate those who talk a lot, ie. the minority, with the werewolves.
*Cough* Suspicious *Cough*Echo wrote:
we still have one villager who dies every night.
Sorry, edited my post just after Jinxy posted.
I added in the percentages - any single person has the same 30/70 chance of being a villager/wolf.
Jinxy: how is that suspicious?
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Forget it, I can't be stuffed posting all this. I've done the maths; I've shown you the steps; I've postedthe results. Yet you still don't believe me? If you're a villager with half a brain, you can work out what I've done for yourselves and see that it makes sense logically.
The only reason anyone would be trying to twist my words is if they're a wolf: foulcoon, jinxyjem
I don't think I'll post much anymore, at least until the next day. Make up your own damn mind.
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Ace, I'd like to confirm day end is 13 hours, 10 minutes from this post?
I added in the percentages - any single person has the same 30/70 chance of being a villager/wolf.
Jinxy: how is that suspicious?
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Forget it, I can't be stuffed posting all this. I've done the maths; I've shown you the steps; I've postedthe results. Yet you still don't believe me? If you're a villager with half a brain, you can work out what I've done for yourselves and see that it makes sense logically.
The only reason anyone would be trying to twist my words is if they're a wolf: foulcoon, jinxyjem
I don't think I'll post much anymore, at least until the next day. Make up your own damn mind.
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Ace, I'd like to confirm day end is 13 hours, 10 minutes from this post?