That logic is broken, Pasonia - why kill him ourselves when we know the assassins would kill him tonight anyway? If you do that, you're just offering the assassins a free kill.

How can we be so sure he's not an Assassin, either? We have a 33% chance, thereabouts, to lynch an assassin today; we've got a sizable number of players this so the first-day lynch doesn't really matter. I'd say things heat up more towards the third day onwards, when the situation is clearer. At least to more than half of us, that is.

Precisely because of that, that is why I want to get rid of the blight early. He might be an aux, yes, but what if he reveals his knowledge of the "who's who" to the assassins? That'll be baaaaaaaaad.

Pasonia, I'm sticking with the claim that I'm a guardian angel or support mage, whatever.


*edit*

Who's who?? I don't even know any other roles.

I'm appalled at seeing us up to page 22 of this thread already.

And I'm throwing my two cents in by saying don't vote for kuwarudo. It's not worth it. xD

YellowYoshi1 quietly listened to the large amount of strategy and debate going on as he leaned on the wall of a nearby building. He looked out to the ocean and wished he was out there somewhere, sailing away from this place.

Finally, he walked towards where people were gathered and began to speak, "Look, there's no way of knowing whose claims are true and whose are false, so I'd recommend being a little more hesitant in trusting people around here. As for me? I don't like Echo's constant claims of being a a civilian. Why's he find it so necessary to continually mention it?"

YellowYoshi1 tells everyone to be a little more hesitant in trusting people and then voices his distrust of Echo. Lynch vote changed to Echo.

coming in as a nonplayer im really wondering why the heck people doubt Echo's logic when its perfectly easy to follow by anyone with half a brain regardless of his actual role. As he said, anyone could pick up a book on game theory and find all of that, or turn on their minds for a moment and realize it for themselves.

That is all.

Pasonia just jumped up 10 points on my suspicion list, I mean, voting on Kuwarudo because he might reveal "the who's who"? That doesn't even make sense, if you mean he'll reaveal the aux roles, it would seem that no one besides Suburu would even be able to put up with him (which itself is pretty damn suspicious) which would mean he could only reveal Suburu who is already revealed, I don't know about you but I think most asassins actually read the thread.

If it's around a 33% chance then why not kill someone else who might be an assassin? I mean atleast kuwarudo has a chance of helping us.
I would like to know what you mean by "aux roles would unknowingly reveal themselves to the Assassins." we still need aux roles, are you suggesting we should kill the roles because they reveal themselves? (I really don't get what you mean, seriously)
I've probably misunderstood most of what you've said, you could be alot clearer with what you said (instead of mysteriously confusing.) so for now atleast, I'm watching you.

Pasonia wrote:

we've got a sizable number of players this so the first-day lynch doesn't really matter.
...
He might be an aux, yes, but what if he reveals his knowledge of the "who's who" to the assassins? That'll be baaaaaaaaad.

What sort of logic is that? If you think we should kill someone random and hope for the 33% (it's more like 27%, actually), then kill someone who hasn't said a word yet. Not someone who claims a strong role who, like adam said, actually has a chance of helping us.

I think we should lynch someone who hasn't talked yet. Someone who doesn't contribute is either a normal villager or an assassin. If you pick someone who hasn't posted yet, I'll say you get a 50% chance of killing an assassin.

RP time.

Jinxy watches the fight for the life of Kuu, the idiot that could help or harm.
"..."
"The last game was never this nuts."

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Sir Minelli wrote:

About deleting posts. I disagree.

I know there are stupid lame posts with no sense. Unluckily or luckily, we already read them all.

Besides this forum IS for posting crap, even if doing so fucks up the entire game.

You can't delete posts. You will be messing with personal thoughts/ideas. Wouldn't be fair.

Don't get me wrong. I'm totally against "LameNotGameRelatedPostsWtfWereYouThinkingBeforePostingThis?"

I suggest a GAME RULE saying that the posts inside the game thread should relate to the GAME only and should focus on the development of the game, rather than focusing on bringing the game down.

This goes for everyone.

We can keep the idiotic posts, but the ones Im pissed about is the Item Creation posts. They are irrelevent and offer 0% help, compared to idiotic posts' 5% help.


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commandhat wrote:

I really wouldn't expect that he'd be using radio as a source for his reason, I mean, he could just ignore it.

What radio?

JInxyjem, I would take the former of the your statement.

JInxyjem wrote:

Jinxy watches the fight for the life of Kuu, the idiot that could help or harm.

And thanks for still calling me Kuu.

Saturos-fangirl wrote:

coming in as a nonplayer im really wondering why the heck people doubt Echo's logic when its perfectly easy to follow by anyone with half a brain regardless of his actual role. As he said, anyone could pick up a book on game theory and find all of that, or turn on their minds for a moment and realize it for themselves.

That is all.

HOW'D YOU GET IN HERE THIS IS A PRIVATE ISLAND GET OUT

*cough*

Echo's logic makes sense but I'm going to go with nardi. I've got my eye on you Echo. *peers suspiciously*

I don't understand where this is going. How can you be able to tell the role of someone in day 1? There's no evidence to back up what anyone says. I mean, I'm not exact;y experienced at werewolf, but kuu just has it coming.

Damned I tried using my mobile to post.

Anyway, I saw most of what has been written here prior to getting home so I'll list out a few points.

1. I just don't like kuwarudo, like I said, no matter if he's an aux or not, I'll be happy to see him go. I'll feel better if I know that one of my votes helped in seeing him off this game.
2. Of course I'm civvy. The odds are 27% to be an assassin, like Echo said.
3. Echo, the way you defended kuwarudo is suspicious, after reading your defence and highly-charged comments. Firstly, without knowing if kuwarudo really is a civilianor not, why are you so eager to come to his defence? It works both ways to defend a person, you know, who's just claiming an important role, but you are SO sure that kuwarudo is an aux without even actually going through the first day. To me, that either means YOU are an assassin as well, or nothing else.

It all boils down to simpler logic than I earlier suggested.

Kuwarudo is human, and if you defend him and earn his trust, he might unwittingly become your ally and "spy" should he be human, and worse if he happens to be an aux.
Kuwarudo is an assassin, and you defend him because you know he is one.

Eight of us are still holding that wait-and-see approach. I guess they're being cautious. I won't, like a certain *someone*, just blindly suspect those people to be assassins simply because they are cautious. That's an even more haphazard approach than my suggestion to get a Cirno out of the game.

If he's human, he will die tonight. There's no question about that. Otherwise, Suburu will be able to name two assassins instead of just one. In other words, as long as Suburu's alive, we can't kill kuwarudo or Suburu.

If both of them are still alive by tomorrow, then whether we kill them or not depends on what the coroner tells us about the person we killed on day 2.

This isn't taking sides; it's just logic! Besides, bringing your personal emotions into the game as a "reason" to vote someone off sounds very wrong to me.

edit:
In summary:

Killing them hurts our chances at winning more than not killing them (for now).

Learn maths!

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foulcoon wrote:

The accused one usually doesn't get a say.

Kuu, where has all your PW memory gone to?

I forgot, sir.

Ah, I'm losing my mood to go here, maybe I should just ask Ace. *sigh*

Seriously, you guys...

Tracerpost.

JInxyjem wrote:

<snip>

commandhat wrote:

I really wouldn't expect that he'd be using radio as a source for his reason, I mean, he could just ignore it.

What radio?

my version of "OOC".

Rolled wrote:

Sir Minelli wrote:

Vote Animask

No info available.

I will re vote against you if my theory is correct.

Is there any reason you don't want to share the theory with everybody else?

Won't say it now. But maybe if you read ALL of his posts, you will find out by yourself.
This is just a theory, therefore an abstract reasoning.

Personally i don't like to state something if i'm not at least 90% sure. And currently i'm 75%

-Sir Minelli munches an apple-

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adam2046 wrote:

I really don't want to read through those posts again...

You don't have to.

If I want to find out if he's a werewolf I do, and I want to know if he's a werewolf.

Do assassins know who the other Assassins are the first day?

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YellowYoshi1 wrote:

Olinad wrote:

Do assassins know who the other Assassins are the first day?

All of the Assassins/Werewolves are a team. Just like the wolves had a pack leader in the first game, the assassins have a Turk leader in this one. They all know of each other and collaborate on their kills.

thx.... Ace can we get the list of the roles and the number of assassins around?

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Uhh, the point in the game is to figure out who the assassins are.
Knowing who all the other civilians are would make it easy to pick assassins to lynch.
Also, in order for the werewolves to attack, their pack-leader must PM the host after reaching an agreement with the others. Obviously if they didn't know who each other were, they would never be able to attack.
Now please tell me you were playing dumb/are an assassin.

I've kinda realized why I feel pressured to wait until the last second to vote.
Everyone who has voted so far has raised suspicion to themselves, making voting a risky move no matter what. Also, those who vote early are at an instant disadvantage, as things could change dramatically and require changing the vote more than once, resulting in a suspicion...point(?).

Well, fuck the consequences, I vote for...
...
Hang on, let me rethink this.

Edit: vvv HAHA. NINJA GET. vvv

animask wrote:

YellowYoshi1 wrote:

Olinad wrote:

Do assassins know who the other Assassins are the first day?

All of the Assassins/Werewolves are a team. Just like the wolves had a pack leader in the first game, the assassins have a Turk leader in this one. They all know of each other and collaborate on their kills.

So you're saying that all the assassins know each other before the game starts? That sounds like the assassins have an unfair advantage in the beginning. Doesn't that mean they can easily decide who to attack next? Do all the normal civilians get to know who the normal civilians are?

If the above question is answered saying the assassins don't start out like that or the normal civilians really start out knowing who is actually a civilian then read the following or they don't know ( I don't really care )

I'm still not going to vote yet...I haven't decided yet...so I'll be one of the final votes...with the least possible amount of time I can

What? That's not an unfair advantage at all. If normal civilians knew who are civilians than that would ruin the entire point of the game--to find out who are wolves/assassins and lynch them before they get all the humans. But if the wolves didn't know each other, they couldn't collaborate on who to kill. It's a balanced system.

EDIT: ahhhhhhhhhhhh fuck you neo@lex and your ninja speed

thepianist is feeling quite troubled.

"Just a question guys - suppose a person the guardian angel protected, gets attacked by the assassins, but (s)he protected him/her, will we be notified who attacked the protected one?"

First of all, my apologies for falling off the internet unintentionally last night; I had an ungodly long day at work and had time only to eat and go to bed.

Status is updated, but I apparently have much to say yet. I hope I remember to cover all your inquiries.

1) Yes, the Assassins (Wolves) are a team and all know each other, as it is in any Werewolf Game. This is one of the reasons why human Auxiliary Roles are used.

2) I'd love to see the "useless posts" pruned, but unfortunately, it is as JarJar said; all posts, including stupid and ridiculous ones, are of some importance; we can see who the idiots are and who's taking things seriously, and thus we can form opinions and execution vote decisions on said posts. Thus, game logic would dictate that (much as my personal opinion is in disagreement) all posts must be left as-is.

I'll check my PMbox now; I'm sure they're all from you guys and thus important. Okies, done.

Extra Note: Yeah, I was in a kinda bad mood last time I was here, but it had nothing to do with my absence last night (as explained at the beginning of this post). I don't hate any of you; those that I really wasn't fond of 2 days ago have all made attempts to become a bit more serious, so I will forgive.

I doubt I'll be back tonight; I must go to bed now.

"Kuu, looks you and I are definitely visiting that gas chamber this game. D="
"IT MUST BE PARTY TIME WHILE WE CAN LIVE."
*arranges for A<3 to parachute Kuu a DS with the latest Phoenix Wright on it*
*starts writing a will*

I accept my fate, and hopes Kuu realizes his too

no, I'm not taking this seriously, just roleplaying, dolts

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thepianist looks around before walking to the tallyboard.

Earlier, he tried randInt(1,26) to vote, but after getting 14 once, he decided it wasn't such a great idea.

He wonders about Pasonia's judgment on Kuu. After all, it wouldn't hurt to wait another "day" to kill him, would it? Why such a great urgency to get rid of him, even if his attitude is slightly questionable (and decided to vote for me D: hahaha.)

thepianist closed his eyes and marked Pasonia as his vote. Maybe Kuu another day.

EDIT: Forgot to bold

I'm sorry, thepianist. Actually, that wasn't a vote in reality, that was just an accusation. But now I'm sticking to it as a vote. Hope you don't think of me badly.

kuwarudo wrote:

I'm sorry, thepianist. Actually, that wasn't a vote in reality, that was just an accusation. But now I'm sticking to it as a vote. Hope you don't think of me badly.

Haha it's kk.

Just an fyi

Those who vote either kuwarudo or Suburu today will be pretty high on my suspicion chart. As I've already explained, it's against the interest of villagers to vote for them.

Funny how you should say it that way. Both of those are already high on my "suspicion chart". The people who are defending them seem to be digging a slow grave, because they're asking for us all to blindly trust. It's very possible that these two are pulling the wool over our eyes.

Like I said: it doesn't matter whether they're assassins or not. Not killing them is more beneficial to the town than killing them.

If we don't kill them and:

1. they are human: all is well.
2. they are assassin: we don't lose anything - we still have one villager who dies every night.
3. we have ~30% chance of killing a wolf instead

If we kill them and:

1. they are human: we lose their abilities.
2. If they are assassin: all is well.
3. we have ~70% chance of killing a villager

In other words, it's either we lose nothing, or we lose their abilities.

Maybe you (and others) should stop just saying "oh, they might be assassins, let's kill them" and try to explain why it would benefit the town by having them killed. I think I've explained pretty thoroughly why we shouldn't kill them.

Btw it's funny how in RL games you tend to associate those who don't talk much, ie. the minority, with the werewolves, but online, you associate those who talk a lot, ie. the minority, with the werewolves.

Echo wrote:

we still have one villager who dies every night.

*Cough* Suspicious *Cough*

Sorry, edited my post just after Jinxy posted.

I added in the percentages - any single person has the same 30/70 chance of being a villager/wolf.

Jinxy: how is that suspicious?

edit:
Forget it, I can't be stuffed posting all this. I've done the maths; I've shown you the steps; I've postedthe results. Yet you still don't believe me? If you're a villager with half a brain, you can work out what I've done for yourselves and see that it makes sense logically.

The only reason anyone would be trying to twist my words is if they're a wolf: foulcoon, jinxyjem

I don't think I'll post much anymore, at least until the next day. Make up your own damn mind.

edit2:
Ace, I'd like to confirm day end is 13 hours, 10 minutes from this post?

That line would sound really reasonable if posted with assassins.

Sin A: They are gonna get us..
Sin B: Relax. we still have one villager who dies every night. and they will probably screw up and kill some of their own.

If it gives us the highest chance of keeping a potential aux alive, I'm going to vote Nardi.
I'd really like to keep kuwarudo alive.
Edit: ^ I don't really mean like, I just think it's best for the humans.

Echo wrote:

Maybe you (and others) should stop just saying "oh, they might be assassins, let's kill them" and try to explain why it would benefit the town by having them killed. I think I've explained pretty thoroughly why we shouldn't kill them.

People just want me gone so that I don't post here anymore.

Even though I can help people.

kuwarudo wrote:

Even though I can help people.

NO UR A COOKIE YOU CANT HELP PEOPLE GET OUT YOU DONT EVEN TASTE GOOD.



Just Kidding.



Echo: Im just stating the possiblities. Stuff are not what they seem to be.

In order to vote without raising any real (read: male) suspicion, I vote Tode.
Everyone knows assassins type slowly. (in all seriousness, I have suspected her for quite a while)

Vote: nardi11011

Sorry nardi, but kuu has to live today to protect me tonight. You were suspicious to me anyway, and you're also the closest in votes to kuu right now.

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ok, I don't like the way people "fix" votes, I'll have to go and unvote kuwarado and wait until I hear something suspicious in the final day

Olinad wrote:

(May I know how long the night does last?)

If the assassins pm their kill to Ace, then the night will end.

Otherwise it lasts longer, but still less than day time. I think 3 days RL?

shouldn't its duration be fixed? I read some Aux roles have to send their decisions during the night too

EDIT: I decided to vote for nardi11011, for no specifical reason - I just don't have more time to spend on this before it gets night in the game XD

neo@lex and olinad: have you guys ever played werewolf/mafia before? how about online?

Btw no one's given an explanation on why we should kill them yet. Seriously, stop being lazy and say why. Don't just make a statement and not give a thorough explanation for it.

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Echo wrote:

neo@lex and olinad: have you guys ever played werewolf/mafia before? how about online?

I played it several times with friends and during meetings, but I had never tried it online...

Okay, standings are updated...looks like we've got one person who hasn't voted at all yet (I haven't checked to figure out who), and 2 people who had voted once, but retracted it and haven't made up their mind yet (Echo and eee).

To answer current questions: deadline is now approximately 1 day and an hour 20 minutes from this post.

Also: Night will probably be 2 days; not much has to happen on the player end in most cases (unless you hold an Aux), and you can't talk on the board, so all that really has to happen is the Auxes who are responsible for PMing me will have to send one measly little PM telling me what's up, and the Assassins hafta talk and decide who to kill (the leader has to PM me to tell me who dies).

Also, it is my policy that if all necessary PMs are in before a Night deadline, I start the next Day the moment all things are in accordance.

Edit: This reminds me. How long do you guys want to make Day 2? I wanna say 4 days, but that might even be too long for active players such as yourself. Maybe 3? I wanna know what you guys want so we can progress at a decent pace without going too ridiculously fast. Lemme know what you think.

Animask never voted right?
I'd be okay with 4 days.

*looks over the checklist*

For the record: It appears that you are correct that animask is indeed the player who has not yet cast a vote at all.

An astute observation indeed; good work noticing!

Also: I feel a need to point out one of the stipulations in the Support Mage's (Guardian Angel's) restrictions as stated in the Rules: A Guardian Angel cannot protect the same exact person more than one night in a row unless the Assassins (Wolves) choose THAT PERSON to kill that Night, thus meaning the protection is successful. Then, and only then, can the GA protect that same person again the very next night.

So if your precious GA protects anyone important, but the Assassin team chooses someone other than the protection target as the nightly kill, you get screwed out of protecting them again the next Night. :p

Can I has three days? Rofl.

Thanks for telling them that Ace, I read that a bit after I made and posted my plan, and was hoping nobody else would notice. I guess it won't matter now anyway though, seeing as kuu's dead tonight anyway.

Edit: Three days sounds okay, but four is safer. I don't care, either's fine.

LadySuburu wrote:

kuu's dead tonight

Incorrect.

Standings are updated and it is currently Nardi who is in the "lead" in execution votes.

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o.o Ah. I misread. My mistake then.

Huh, so, miracles can happen. I'm not getting executed publicly today.

I said publicly. There's a chance the wolves will get me.

So, is NK...Night Kill?

Yes.

I needa make a vote. Therefore, I will vote myself.

how daring

Echo wrote:

I needa make a vote. Therefore, I will vote myself.

Duly noted.

yeah, I guess I gotta vote soon ~
adam seems like he is needed, so does suburu. . . darnit!!
I'm stuck between yellowyoshi and bagelbob, they seem to be around less, but who will be of more use.
I vote on bagelbob

eee wrote:

I vote on bagelbob

Also now in the status post.

If it's right (and it should be), there is now only one vote out: animask's.

And now: Okay people, I'm headed to bed. 23 hours until deadline. See ya close to then.

Ace Of Hearts wrote:

So if your precious GA protects anyone important, but the Assassin team chooses someone other than the protection target as the nightly kill, you get screwed out of protecting them again the next Night. :p

You just had to give the assassin some hints. >_>
Werewolf is all about choice and psychology.

Contary to what Echo said, there are many choices when day 2 arrives.

• Suburu lives, Kuu dies. Suburu gives name of an assassin.

• Suburu lives, Kuu dies. Suburu is assassin and gives a fake name.

• Suburu dies, Kuu lives. The whole village is suspicious of Kuu even if he is innocent.

• Suburu dies, Kuu lives. The whole village is suspicious of Kuu and they are right.

• Some other guy dies, probably one of the smartest few.

And dont think im giving the sins ideas; I wrote this because I know the sins are not that dumb. Some villagers, however...

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For the record, I voted for Nardi because:
a. He made one slightly suspicious statement, that was the only thing I noted as suspicious at that point. (Voted for Todesengal because she had a few votes prior - "Hopping on the buoywagon")
b. Information was lacking in the early hours (days) of day 1, and I nor anybody else had much to go on. Why people are voting upon nardi now with no reason though, I couldn't tell you.

Will I change my nardi vote? No. I'd rather go with gut instincts. Am I more suspicious of other villagers? Yes, but let's wait for day 2 when alllll the fun starts.

After reading and re-reading many pages of this thread, it became painfully obvious that my vote is useless. People are right to follow Echo's logic, and I'm going to retract my vote.

I'll be voting for animask, simply because his posts were extremely annoying on the past few pages and I want to punch him. There are also some other people here suspicious of him, and frankly I can't think of anyone else.

Great, people are voting for nardii not because they think he's scum, but in order to not lynch kuu

I guess it's better than the alternative(if kuu even is the guardian), but I want to do some serious assassin-tracking on day2

I'd really appreciate it if neo@lex would answer my question: have you played werewolf/mafia before, and if so, have you played it online?

This is NOT a vote.

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Oh damn.
I might have to vote for Pas...
(We don't have very long...)

Oh wtf.
nardi claims to be the priest
kuwarudo claims to be the guardian angel
Suburu claims to be the insomniac.
Now, can this REALLY BE POSSIBLE? All the people that seem suspicious are in fact important auxes?
This looks more than unlikely...

nardi could be in fact an assassin and claim a role because he knows it can't become worse for him if he's gonna die. But it's REALLY, REALLY LATE to come up with an important claim like this. A wolf would have posted earlier so the people actually have time to overthink and change their votes. Or he's doing that on purpose so people DON'T have much time and just change their vote in panic.
kuwarudo could be an assassin if he's smart enough to actually construct a deep plan like this.... Nah. But he could have a plan with Suburu IF both of them are assassins.
Suburu could be an assassin since he claimed a role really early in this game to save Kuwarudo. That could either mean both kuwarudo and Suburu are wolves OR they both say the truth and try to save themselves and the humans.

...This really didn't get me further ... I think it's really not possible to choose someone and be totally certain of it.

However, I know, I can't trust either of them, but I also can't lynch them all and be sure of it. I'm changing my vote to YoshiKart. I know, he's not saying much, I also know that this vote won't do shit since there won't be half the game suddenly voting for YoshiKart, but there's something that just tells me "Maybe him? If there's SOMEONE who's at least kind of suspicious and not super dangerous to vote for, then him. You shouldn't vote for nardi, Suburu or kuwarudo, since that's super dangerous, but don't let your vote totally go to waste."

I'm going to just put my vote on a random person who has no votes yet, just to be safe.

Unvote myself

My random number generator says...

Vote eee

Also I'm 25% for, 75% against nardi's lynch.

Echo wrote:

I'd really appreciate it if neo@lex would answer my question: have you played werewolf/mafia before, and if so, have you played it online?

This is NOT a vote.

God dammit I was AFH.
No, I haven't, but I have read up on it.
Also, I voted for Tode because she seemed like she was in a hurry to vote for Kuwarudo just because he pissed her off, then she suddenly changed it when people started to get suspicious without any good reason, showing no evidence of understanding what you guys said about WHY it'd be better not to vote for Subi or Kuwa. My current frame of mind has her as an assassin, voting for a specific target determined by the others, and then changing her vote in order to keep a low profile for the rest of the phase. Obviously there is no need to listen to major contributors if the instructions are being followed.

Fuck, now I have a fucking headache.

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Great, another role claim, just what we need...

No worries though, I've come up with a brilliant plan.

Suburu and "kuu" look very suspicious for claiming on day 1, putting them into a position of power with the town, making an early counter-claim dangerous for fear of losing the aux rolls early
along with voting on Tode for voting for "kuu" (which to me looked like a random vote, even if it carried some negative thoughts)
and then voting on nardii, not because nardii looks like scum, but because "kuu" is the "guardian angel"
But if they are aux rolls, it is a mistake to lynch them so early on

However, there is another option
Echo was pushing strongly to make the town believe that Suburu and "kuu" are who they say they are
It's highly likely that if Suburu and "kuu" are assassins, then Echo is an assassin too
On top of that, Echo has already claimed to be a "normal civilian" (twice)

Thus, I see nothing wrong with lynching Echo:
1. We know for sure we aren't lynching an aux roll
2. Kuu survives (thus not hindering Suburu's plan to get the name's of assassins if Suburu and "kuu" are town)
3. someone who looks like an assassin associated with Suburu and "kuu" gets lynced (thus weakening the assassins if Suburu and "kuu" are assassins)


Thus:
Unvote: Wojjan
Vote: Echo

...and weakening us if he is a civ, because he is a craptonne better than us at deducing things.

...
So you'd rather lynch an aux roll than a normal civilian?
Besides, if Echo is a wolf and good at "deducing things" isn't the town in a "craptonne" of trouble?

Seriously, Larto and adam, if you unvote from nardii without focusing on someone else, "kuu" is going to end up getting lynched

preventing that is the whole reason you voted for nardii in the first place, remember?

But nardi is also important now.

BagelBob wrote:

So you'd rather lynch an aux roll than a normal civilian?

I'd rather lynch a bloody assassin.
May I also point out that noone else has tried claiming the guardian and insomniac roles.

Oh, so you think that Pasonia is the most likely to be an assassin
did your RNG tell you that or are you planning to post any reasons?

I have posted reasons before.
What's an RNG?
Edit: I added reasons.

Your vote post has simply an unvote and a revote
RNG is a Random Number Generator

I do have a fairly good idea who might be assassins, but there's no way we can coordinate a vote in time.

As usual, I'll pm the list and reasons to someone I trust in case I die tomorrow.

In response to Larto's questions on IRC this morning when I was forced to leave:

If kuwarudo and Suburu don't die, then they're both not wolves. However, this means that the wolves are in a bad position since we'll have an extra name.
If kuwarudo dies, everything is on track, but we won't know anything about people.
If Suburu dies, kuwarudo is a wolf.

Why? I might tell you tomorrow, if I'm still alive. Maybe I'll include it in the pm.

Echo wrote:

I do have a fairly good idea who might be assassins, but there's no way we can coordinate a vote in time.

As usual, I'll pm the list and reasons to someone I trust in case I die tomorrow.

In response to Larto's questions on IRC this morning when I was forced to leave:

If kuwarudo and Suburu don't die, then they're both not wolves. However, this means that the wolves are in a bad position since we'll have an extra name.
If kuwarudo dies, everything is on track, but we won't know anything about people.
If Suburu dies, kuwarudo is a wolf.

Why? I might tell you tomorrow, if I'm still alive. Maybe I'll include it in the pm.

This is exactly what I was talking about
Echo is pushing for the us to believe Suburu and "kuu", with no way of knowing they're telling the truth unless Echo is a wolf
None of these possibilities include Suburu being an assassin
Echo even says that if neither is night killed, then they both are not assassins
(if two people who are dangerous to the assassins are not night killed, they are not assassins)
Also, the third thing Echo says isn't even a possibility. Even if Suburu is the insomniac and "kuu" is an assassin, the real guardian-angel can still protect Suburu

Furthermore, withholding information from the town is never good. Everyone should be posting their opinions and thoughts and no one should say "I have thoughts on the matter but I'm only going to PM them to a few people in case I die rather than tell the whole town"
I don't know if you're trying to avoid looking guilty if you think what you know makes you look guilty or what, but suppressing that kind of information is good for the assassins, not the town

Okies guys, status is updated again.

3 hours left.

BagelBob wrote:

Echo is pushing for the us to believe Suburu and "kuu", with no way of knowing they're telling the truth unless Echo is a wolf

I'm not too sure what you're saying here.

BagelBob wrote:

None of these possibilities include Suburu being an assassin

It's there - it's the second one. That's because there IS no way to definitively determine whether she is an assassin or not from the NK.

BagelBob wrote:

Echo even says that if neither is night killed, then they both are not assassins
(if two people who are dangerous to the assassins are not night killed, they are not assassins)

OK, if you want it straight, they can be either both innocent or both assassins. But by saying what I've said I've influenced tonight's kill in such a way that I myself will be absolutely sure which is the case. What I said was more for my benefit than for everyone else's.

BagelBob wrote:

Also, the third thing Echo says isn't even a possibility. Even if Suburu is the insomniac and "kuu" is an assassin, the real guardian-angel can still protect Suburu

Which is why if Suburu dies kuwarudo MUST be a wolf. (Not "if kuwarudo is a wolf then suburu will die")

BagelBob wrote:

Furthermore, withholding information from the town is never good. Everyone should be posting their opinions and thoughts and no one should say "I have thoughts on the matter but I'm only going to PM them to a few people in case I die rather than tell the whole town"

I'm holding onto the information because it's the end of the day, and anything I say will only influence tonight's kill and not the voting. If we still had 3 RL days to go I'd happily post it.

Echo wrote:

BagelBob wrote:

Echo is pushing for the us to believe Suburu and "kuu", with no way of knowing they're telling the truth unless Echo is a wolf

I'm not too sure what you're saying here.

You can't know if Suburu and "kuu" are telling the truth, unless you're an assassin

BagelBob wrote:

None of these possibilities include Suburu being an assassin

It's there - it's the second one. That's because there IS no way to definitively determine whether she is an assassin or not from the NK.

OK, so in this case, Suburu could be an assassin, and no one has any way of knowing whether or not that's true and you call that "On track?"

BagelBob wrote:

Echo even says that if neither is night killed, then they both are not assassins
(if two people who are dangerous to the assassins are not night killed, they are not assassins)

OK, if you want it straight, they can be either both innocent or both assassins. But by saying what I've said I've influenced tonight's kill in such a way that I myself will be absolutely sure which is the case. What I said was more for my benefit than for everyone else's.

But you said that if Suburu dies, "kuu" is a wolf
Doesn't Suburu have to be the insomniac to die tonight which would make Suburu town and "kuu" a wolf?

BagelBob wrote:

Also, the third thing Echo says isn't even a possibility. Even if Suburu is the insomniac and "kuu" is an assassin, the real guardian-angel can still protect Suburu

Which is why if Suburu dies kuwarudo MUST be a wolf. (Not "if kuwarudo is a wolf then suburu will die")

Suburu shouldn't die because even if "kuu" is a wolf, the real guardian angel could protect Suburu

BagelBob wrote:

Furthermore, withholding information from the town is never good. Everyone should be posting their opinions and thoughts and no one should say "I have thoughts on the matter but I'm only going to PM them to a few people in case I die rather than tell the whole town"

I'm holding onto the information because it's the end of the day, and anything I say will only influence tonight's kill and not the voting. If we still had 3 RL days to go I'd happily post it.

You may be right about it not influencing today's vote, but it could give the town something to think about overnight.

(on a side note, What happens in the event of a tie of lynch votes? We may need to do something...)

1 hour and 20 minutes remaining.

In the case of a tied execution vote, I will either have to draw names or bring in an outside vote from someone who is not playing in this game.

We'll cross that bridge when/if we get to it.

At this rate, if both nardi and kuu are telling the truth, we're in trouble.

The safest move in my opinion, is now to lynch animask orJInxy. They both have three votes and we have an hour. I'm for lynching animask personally.

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FOR FUCKS SAKE, I DON'T HAVE A CHOICE

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