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ShangMing_old
I am going to offer another interpretation of NeverDie's argument:
* Fat people do not care about their health, and therefore they should be looked down upon. (In general, of course there is the odd case of the exception, which does nothing to help the counter-arguments so stfu.)

To further the argument, this is the implication:
- fat people have no self discipline--in the sense that they DO have the ability to control what they eat, and in the sense that their body and mind will not cease to function should they cut back 500 calories/day so that they consume the calories of a normal person. One does not have to work out every day to be a normal weight--they simply have to not eat like a glutton every day, and the laws of thermodynamics will take effect. I don't see how this is so hard to understand?

In this sense, I don't see why you people consider fatties any better than alcoholics or WoW addicts and such. Please enlighten me if you do, though.

Based on this, I don't see how NeverDie's view is unjustified.

BTW, attacking misinterpretations of his argument (Jarby), telling your success stories about being fat and healthy simultaneously (yelloweryoshi, you're 20 years old ffs), or attacking a math error not relevant to the problem (awp), does nothing to undermine his original arguments, and makes you people look like idiots.

Come at me.
Topic Starter
boat
Well if you're all wondering how it turned out for them, he completely disallowed her to even give him compliments and call him pretty, by that matter and a lot of other things they got in a severe fight, both ended up hurt and the relationship ended.
Shiirn
anyone who couldn't see that coming shouldn't play near train tracks, just saying.
Faust
he completely disallowed her to even give him compliments and call him pretty, by that matter and a lot of other things they got in a severe fight, both ended up hurt and the relationship ended.
Fao.
FisHie_old


PS: fuck you
Vext_old
AHHH! AHHH! AHHHHHH!!!!!!
Faust
I don't even know if that's directed at me or not, or anyone. lol
Jarby

ShangMing wrote:

attacking misinterpretations of his argument (Jarby)

Jarby wrote:

Just clearing up your generalization, mister.
derp
Cuddlebun
welp that end didn't surprise me at all
ShangMing_old

Jarby wrote:

ShangMing wrote:

attacking misinterpretations of his argument (Jarby)

Jarby wrote:

Just clearing up your generalization, mister.
derp

Jarby wrote:

NeverDie wrote:

So all fat people are fat simply because they don't exercise and eat right. No excuses.
I wonder if you hold paraplegics and hypothyroidism sufferers to name a few under the same standards.
derp.
Topic Starter
boat
Well fortunately they managed to in the end patch it all up, and get back together again


~~~drama~~~~
Pokebis
Relaitonships are just silly in the first place. My friends are always happy for a while and then everything goes to shit leaving me with more social decisions to make than I should have to. I think it's silly to take them too seriously.
FisHie_old
Life is too silly to take it seriously.
lkjl23

failboat wrote:

Well fortunately they managed to in the end patch it all up, and get back together again


~~~drama~~~~
This thread was all about you in the first place. There is no friend, it was you all along. So obvious.
mm201

NeverDie wrote:

This thread was all about you in the first place. There is no friend, it was you all along. So obvious.
FisHie_old
Topic Starter
boat
okay


lock time
Vext_old
I dunno, I say we change the title to NeverDie stays stern on his nonsensical values while everyone bashes him and let it keep going.
ShangMing_old

Vext wrote:

I dunno, I say we change the title to NeverDie stays stern on his nonsensical values while everyone bashes him and let it keep going.
I'm sorry, but not a single argument here has presented a sensible view or valid arguments against NeverDie's.

You have all shown that all you can do it be fucking idiots. Keep trying though, by all means.
Vext_old
The Canadian with 3 posts wants to fight; I'm too lazy. I want someone to though.
Topic Starter
boat

NeverDie wrote:

failboat wrote:

Well fortunately they managed to in the end patch it all up, and get back together again


~~~drama~~~~
This thread was all about you in the first place. There is no friend, it was you all along. So obvious.
Your point being?

First of all, you're wrong, second of all, you're solely being butthurt right now. I don't see of what relevance it has to whos the problem is.
Backfire
Snipped, oh well.
failboat what are you doing
Topic Starter
boat
what
Backfire
Nothing. :c
Topic Starter
boat
i don't understand you sometimes
ShangMing_old

Vext wrote:

The Canadian with 3 posts wants to fight; I'm too lazy. I want someone to though.
You're not too lazy, you just don't have any valid points.

And I don't see how being Canadian, and having three posts is relevant to anything. You're shit as osu, yet I don't point that out, do I?
Firo Prochainezo

Vext wrote:

The Canadian with 3 posts wants to fight; I'm too lazy. I want someone to though.
He's not Canadian because Canadians are very nice people.
ShangMing_old

Firo Prochainezo wrote:

Vext wrote:

The Canadian with 3 posts wants to fight; I'm too lazy. I want someone to though.
He's not Canadian because Canadians are very nice people.
You must be American because you are fat?
YellowerYoshi
I think a lock is impending here if it is just going to devolve into a flame war. Way to have an intelligent discussion guys. :D
ShangMing_old

YellowerYoshi wrote:

I think a lock is impending here if it is just going to devolve into a flame war. Way to have an intelligent discussion guys. :D
I'm not flaming anyone, I'm simply using the same logic they used to draw conclusions because I have no valid arguments to offer, I think I was doing it pretty accurately.
Sander-Don

ShangMing wrote:

You must be American because you are fat?
Post of the year
Topic Starter
boat
all respect lost backfire
Sander-Don
Feels bad, man.
Lost respect from that guy.
I would cry, bro.
Firo Prochainezo

ShangMing wrote:

You must be American because you are fat?
Oh yeah, right, I forgot that jokes don't exist on the Internet because the Internet is SERIOUS BUSINESS. Excuse me. Also, I'm not American, I am a dirty immigrant.
Backfire
They deleted my epic posts.
awp
removed the literal shitposts as they risked intervening with the glory of this thread

I'm not sure whether I like or am disappointed in how uptight posts in this thread have been. It's been entertaining, but at the same time if I were expecting what is said in this thread (not the core argument, the subsequent bickering) to be serious, I'd have to consider everyone an idiot.

NeverDie's opinion of "fat people are not attractive" is his opinion of what isn't an appealing body figure or preference. That's on topic, and people don't really have any business telling him otherwise. It's dismissing the opinions of others as bullshit that makes you a massive cunt - to outright say "your opinions on specific physical forms/shapes are a detriment to society" is the kind of dick move that would derail a thread like this into a discussion of opinions rather than an opinion on the discussion topic. I'm not going to say that's exactly what happened at the end of the first page

but you're welcome to point it out, GD
Pokebis
ShangMing makes some good arguments, but some people make the lifestyle choice of being fat. Not taking care of yourself involves actual neglect of health and ignoring sanitation and such.
Like others have said, you can be chubby and still be healthy. Having an "optimal" (buffed out) figure isn't really always the right answer and would severely alter some people's busy, financial lives, or even their relationships. I've seen guys start to turn into fitness nuts to impress their girl only to have their girl dump them because of it. It all goes back to personal opinions.

And unsanitary people are always gross to me. Shower, people. (And yes, the internet has shown there are slob fetishists too)
Vext_old

Firo Prochainezo wrote:

ShangMing wrote:

You must be American because you are fat?
Oh yeah, right, I forgot that jokes don't exist on the Internet because the Internet is SERIOUS BUSINESS. Excuse me. Also, I'm not American, I am a dirty immigrant.
You're my dirty immigrant, baby~.
Lizzehb

NeverDie wrote:

failboat wrote:

Well fortunately they managed to in the end patch it all up, and get back together again


~~~drama~~~~
This thread was all about you in the first place. There is no friend, it was you all along. So obvious.
Wasn't that stated in like the second para?

If it's about failboat, or failboat's friend, it doesn't matter! It's still about failboat wit the relation of friend and klsjgilkjdfkgdgdfg. DUH.

Y U MAKE ME SO MAD?
FisHie_old
asd
mm201

awp wrote:

NeverDie's opinion of "fat people are not attractive" is his opinion of what isn't an appealing body figure or preference. That's on topic, and people don't really have any business telling him otherwise.
The reason NeverDie is getting flamed is because he is stating his "opinion" as fact, and that opinion happens to be very objectionable, especially in this community.
GladiOol
I like my women how I like my vodka. 12 years old and mixed with coke.

Nah, but I like women to be shorter than I am (I'm 1.78m, which is quite short in the Netherlands)
Also long hair and ass.

Nothing wrong with a girl who has a bit (A BIT) of meat, but fat is disgusting though, like NeverDie already said.
FisHie_old
A long ass ?
GladiOol
yes.
FisHie_old
Awesome.
lkjl23
Whale, whale, whale.......what do we have here?
Pokebis
A little FisHie.
Whales are much larger.
sperglord
I feel like it's important to address the OP first as that was the point of the thread: If someone feels bad about their own looks, then they should stop thinking about it, and take action to change what they don't like while they keep every quality they're proud of. This is what I think every hardworking attractive person in this world does. Just think, are some people are just blessed with good looks? Fuck no, they probably had to work their asses off, and it's a full time job, just like popularity in highschool, any paying job or manual labor. Research, learn, apply, take action, and don't break your discipline. This is why I respect every well-built man and any fine looking women with sexy curves. They must have put a lot of time and dedication into how they looked WHILE balancing everything else in this life that we seem to find important these days. <3

~~~

I love girls who have a very tone body with curves because it's attractive to me. I like girls who grow their hair out and manage it very well, but only let it down when they want to look their finest. A pleasant and attractive voice will always get my attention and make me listen. Smooth and healthy skin makes me want to touch them and take care of them. Lastly a well shaped and cute face is most important out of everything as it makes me smile.

All of this is what is most important to attract healthy, strong, well-groomed, intelligent and powerful men in the very beginning.

After that it comes down to their personality, if they have a great personality, they're a keeper that you continue to love. If they fail to be very tolerable, you have sex with them and move on.

I believe in Darwinism especially after reading the book "The Moral Animal."

Just like NeverDie, I think only a moron would disregard the attractive qualities of looking good. Those are first and foremost to building attraction for a strong relationship. Trust me though, I don't look anywhere near as good as NeverDie either.

I find it really really easy to find attractive qualities in most people in the world, I just don't think it's worth it to ignore things that everyone can agree is important such as looks, social intuition, and confidence.
mathexpert
inb4 plastic surgery.
sperglord

mathexpert9981 wrote:

inb4 plastic surgery.
Hahaha, I don't think of it as a bad thing, absolutely not.

Hard work makes good money.
Hard work makes good looks.
Good money pays for good looks.

I suppose?
Vext_old
Plastic surgery? "Those aren't boobs! THEY'RE LIES!!!!"
mathexpert
I find that someone insecure enough to get plastic surgery is very unattractive, even if it doesn't look horribly artificial.
sperglord

mathexpert9981 wrote:

I find that someone insecure enough to get plastic surgery is very unattractive, even if it doesn't look horribly artificial.
That assumes that getting plastic surgery is an insecure behavior. I don't see how that is the case. But you are entitled to your biases.

A counter argument can be made that its insecure to dislike someone purely because they have had plastic surgery in their life.


You're argument completely stands if it is your current girlfriend/spouse asking you to pay for her plastic surgery. That's gold digging, and she can pay for it if she wants to better herself. HER WORK is what should make plastic surgery legitimate.
Pokebis
To me, as an individual, I find the act of plastic surgery appalling regardless of the circumstances. The only way I see it justified is if the person was injured in a way that heavily altered their physical appearance in the first place such as a burn.
But I assume it falls into body modification in general as I also don't like piercings or tattoos/body art.
Staying fit and hygienic is always a great pursuit that does deserve a proper amount of effort, but paying your way into a permanent costume isn't appealing to me a single bit.
Zelmarked
I find plastic surgery alright. Those who benefit foremost are the ones around the individual. No one's a loser. Unless the plastic surgeon screws up.
D33d

Vext wrote:

Plastic surgery? "Those aren't boobs! THEY'RE LIES!!!!"
NEVERDIE ALWAYS LIES
awp

B12ad wrote:

Just like NeverDie, I think only a moron would disregard the attractive qualities of looking good.
As long as you're smart enough to realize "looking good" is relative to each individual's preferences, then yeah I'd say so

D33d wrote:

Vext wrote:

Plastic surgery? "Those aren't boobs! THEY'RE LIES!!!!"
NEVERDIE ALWAYS LIES
strictly trolling without at least wrapping your post in a thin disguise of an argument is NOT ACCEPTABLE

we're looking for SOME effort
lkjl23

awp wrote:

B12ad wrote:

Just like NeverDie, I think only a moron would disregard the attractive qualities of looking good.
As long as you're smart enough to realize "looking good" is relative to each individual's preferences, then yeah I'd say so
Major consensus is that a well toned and fit body is the ideal look. There's people who even have sex with dogs, pigs, monkeys, and yes, fat people. Those people are not the norm and have obvious mental defects to certain extents.
awp
yeah but pop music is also popular/always on the radio etc and if you break its structure down, it's shit

just because the majority of people like something, it doesn't mean everyone who doesn't is "wrong" or "defective"
lkjl23

awp wrote:

yeah but pop music is also popular/always on the radio etc and if you break its structure down, it's shit

just because the majority of people like something, it doesn't mean everyone who doesn't is "wrong" or "defective"
Yeah it does. You think evolution made it so that fat people are the ones with superior genetics? Of course not. There's a reason why everyone likes what they like, because it serves an evolutionary purpose. Anyone who's fat would have not been able to escape predators back in the day, hence why we have a preference for someone that's fit because that means they have higher survival value. Anyone that doesn't prefer that is going against their evolutionary programming, hence they're a defect. Simple as that. Either a defect or really desperate.
awp

NeverDie wrote:

Anyone who's fat would have not been able to escape predators back in the day, hence why we have a preference for someone that's fit because that means they have higher survival value.
That may have been more relevant a couple hundred thousand years ago than it is now, but predators have kind of gone to the wayside. Fat people store heat better, so that has its own survival value, since some parts of the world are still cold.

NeverDie wrote:

Anyone that doesn't prefer that is going against their evolutionary programming, hence they're a defect. Simple as that. Either a defect or really desperate.
I'm pretty sure being a homosexual falls under going against evolutionary programming, and I'm pretty sure you're calling homosexuals defective. That makes your beliefs appear rooted in intolerance more than anything else, and that's going to make it hard for myself (and probably a few others) to take your words seriously. Like, not just the ones in this thread. Any of 'em.
lkjl23

awp wrote:

NeverDie wrote:

Anyone who's fat would have not been able to escape predators back in the day, hence why we have a preference for someone that's fit because that means they have higher survival value.
That may have been more relevant a couple hundred thousand years ago than it is now, but predators have kind of gone to the wayside. Fat people store heat better, so that has its own survival value, since some parts of the world are still cold.

NeverDie wrote:

Anyone that doesn't prefer that is going against their evolutionary programming, hence they're a defect. Simple as that. Either a defect or really desperate.
I'm pretty sure being a homosexual falls under going against evolutionary programming, and I'm pretty sure you're calling homosexuals defective. That makes your beliefs appear rooted in intolerance more than anything else, and that's going to make it hard for myself (and probably a few others) to take your words seriously. Like, not just the ones in this thread. Any of 'em.
Homosexuals ARE defective rofl. They wouldn't be here if their parents were homos too. Another thing you're also forgetting is that evolution takes course through millions of years. We are still the same biological entity that was here 100,000 years ago, we haven't changed at all. I just think everyone that's disagreeing with me is retarded and in plain denial, but in the end, I really don't care rofl. I'm not the one going to be screwing fatties and keep living in self-denial that, that's what I really want, it's everyone else in this thread with that mentality. Pretty sad one if you ask me, but hey to each his own. There's a good reason why people like that are the minority.
Ephemeral
I suggest you have a read of Jim McKnight's Straight science?: Homosexuality, evolution and adaptation.

Your understanding of the evolutionary concept is extremely flawed and borderlines on flat out ignorance. Either read up, or shut up.
Pokebis
I still don't get how me getting a boner for a fat bitch and me not-getting a boner for a skinny bitch is denial.
Also, with all this talk of evolution, I think I'm going to pull creationism into the mix and say your entire backup argument is bullshit.
And, as you say, being fat isn't hereditary, and while habits and some features may follow in with children the child isn't necessarily inferior genetically than if the mother was skinny.
Come at me bro.
Ephemeral

Pokebis wrote:

I still don't get how me getting a boner for a fat bitch and me not-getting a boner for a skinny bitch is denial.
Also, with all this talk of evolution, I think I'm going to pull creationism into the mix and say your entire backup argument is bullshit.
And, as you say, being fat isn't hereditary, and while habits and some features may follow in with children the child isn't necessarily inferior genetically than if the mother was skinny.
Come at me bro.
Don't even bother. NeverDie has no fucking idea what he's talking about.
DeletedUser_910779
"Evolutionary programming", "defence mechanism", "survival of the fittest".

*Chuckles*

I remember when I used to think like this too.
Pokebis
Fat women were originally symbols of fertility, power, and beauty. Women were never culturally hunters. The ability to indulge showed superiority.
awp

NeverDie wrote:

evolution takes course through millions of years
genetic evolution

nowadays we have science for things like that. Predators? Invent a gun. Cold snap? Turn the heater on inside the house you built. Flood? Live in a helicopter.

Times and scientific advancements have changed to the point where survival is almost directly proportional to wealth, which kind of undermines your argument from a strictly aesthetic perspective.

You also remain in denial about the concept of personal preference but, like you said, to each their own
Shellghost
I like how he finished with, "to each his own."
Vext_old
\:D/ I can't wait to see how NeverDie feels when he gets old, fat, and wrinkly.
Cuddlebun

NeverDie wrote:

We are still the same biological entity that was here 100,000 years ago, we haven't changed at all.
I'm not agreeing or disagreeing with you on any of your points, I am just here to be a pedantic and mention wisdom teeth.
lkjl23

Vext wrote:

\:D/ I can't wait to see how NeverDie feels when he gets old, fat, and wrinkly.
Jakes on you, I have superior genetics. I'm never getting fat haha. I'll be slim till the day I die no matter how much I eat, all the men on my father's and mother's side are like that. Not to mention I won't start getting gray hair till I'm over 65 and even then it won't be much either rofl. But we can't all be so lucky in the genetic pool, such is life.
Jarby

NeverDie wrote:

I have superior genetics. I'm never getting fat haha. I'll be slim till the day I die no matter how much I eat, all the men on my father's and mother's side are like that.

NeverDie wrote:

My point is, it's a CHOICE that people are fat.
lkjl23

Jarby wrote:

NeverDie wrote:

I have superior genetics. I'm never getting fat haha. I'll be slim till the day I die no matter how much I eat, all the men on my father's and mother's side are like that.

NeverDie wrote:

My point is, it's a CHOICE that people are fat.
For most people yeah, but for people like me that are ectomorphs (google that if you don't know what it is), we don't have to worry about what we eat. We eat what ever, and as much as we want, and we can't get fat. And although most of them do end up getting overweight once past the age of 50, if my family's history is any indicator, I won't have that problem ever, till the day I die.
Jarby
Sheldon's theories enjoyed a vogue as the "pop-psych flavor of the month" through the 1950s.[3] Modern scientists, however, generally (with occasional exceptions[4][5], some relying on outdated - 1978 or prior - studies) dismiss his claims as outdated, if not outright quackery."Nude Photos Are Sealed At Smithsonian". New York Times. January 21, 1995. Retrieved December 1, 2011. "Later, other photographs were taken by W. H. Sheldon, a researcher who believed that there was a relationship between body shape and intelligence and other traits. Mr. Sheldon has since died, and his work has long been dismissed by most scientists as quackery. ..."</ref>
It doesn't make sense for someone to consume literally any amount of food and gain nothing anyway.
lkjl23

Jarby wrote:

Sheldon's theories enjoyed a vogue as the "pop-psych flavor of the month" through the 1950s.[3] Modern scientists, however, generally (with occasional exceptions[4][5], some relying on outdated - 1978 or prior - studies) dismiss his claims as outdated, if not outright quackery."Nude Photos Are Sealed At Smithsonian". New York Times. January 21, 1995. Retrieved December 1, 2011. "Later, other photographs were taken by W. H. Sheldon, a researcher who believed that there was a relationship between body shape and intelligence and other traits. Mr. Sheldon has since died, and his work has long been dismissed by most scientists as quackery. ..."</ref>
It doesn't make sense for someone to consume literally any amount of food and gain nothing anyway.

My point is, I've been on 4k calories per day diet to bulk up and I don't gain any fat at all. I've had a 6 pack since I was 11. I never work out my abs, only the rest of my body and they're still there. It's called dat dere genetics bro. All the men on my father's side were athletes or lifted weights, and I was no exception.

Point is, genetics makes it easier for some to gain fat, and very hard for others to gain fat. Maybe if I ate 6-8k calories a day that would do something, but that's like eating as much as 3 people per day. Don't see how that'll ever happen on a constant basis for me.
Rantai
Yay for metabolisms!

Except mine is in total overdrive :<
foulcoon
so wait, you've been trying to bulk up to get even bigger tits?
Corin

foulcoon wrote:

so wait, you've been trying to bulk up to get even bigger tits?
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

I love you foulcoon
Shellghost
I like how your idea of superior genetics is having larger muscles than other people. Judging from your story and incredibly misguided concept of genetic evolution I can guess it's probably just what your parents have been telling you since you were young.

It seems that almost every single pioneer of science, engineering and technology in history wouldn't fit into your category since they spent their time moving society forward with their breakthroughs rather than working out on their physical fitness. You are better than all of the people who are the reason you're here making yourself look like an idiot on the internet.

You are clearly better than all of them.
Pokebis
They were inferior as they improved the lives of others rather than themselves. They couldn't do shit if a rhino attacked.
lkjl23

Shellghost wrote:

I like how your idea of superior genetics is having larger muscles than other people. Judging from your story and incredibly misguided concept of genetic evolution I can guess it's probably just what your parents have been telling you since you were young.

It seems that almost every single pioneer of science, engineering and technology in history wouldn't fit into your category since they spent their time moving society forward with their breakthroughs rather than working out on their physical fitness. You are better than all of the people who are the reason you're here making yourself look like an idiot on the internet.

You are clearly better than all of them.
Who says you can't do both? Working out only takes like 60-90 minutes a day, there's no excuse. Potatoes gonna potate. Seems like someone's in huge denial, but I'm sure it helps you cope with your looks, so I can't blame you or anyone else in this thread.
awp
Calories aren't a very good measure for weight gain if you're physically active. Calories are basically energy. Unused calories eventually become fat, but that's also literally wasted energy. So trying to lose weight by strictly following a calorie guide is unwise.

You can actually get away with like a 30 minute routine, 3 or 4 days a week, and maintain a good fitness level. I'll do that as soon as I figure out a way to make it entertaining. Maybe I'll mount a TV on the wall facing the home gym. That'd do the trick.
jjrocks
Back on topic, for me a good looking person is very hard to define. I do like most girls generally but I might have a preference with long hair, but I also would like a girl with a good personality. I mean I don't care how hot the girl is, if she's a jerk, I wouldn't be caught near her.

Oh and guys, you're talking to NeverDie. Just let the guy have his fun and believe what he wants, he is entitled to his own opinion just like everyone else(no matter how wrong it is).
Pokebis

awp wrote:

You can actually get away with like a 30 minute routine, 3 or 4 days a week, and maintain a good fitness level. I'll do that as soon as I figure out a way to make it entertaining. Maybe I'll mount a TV on the wall facing the home gym. That'd do the trick.
When I don't play DDR I'll occasionally use an elliptical machine or something while I play video games. It's something you barely notice. Or you could ghetto rig a DDR pad up to your PC or something and play Skyrim with it. I do random shit like that sometimes too. 1 step on mat = 1 step in game.
I don't really have a routine or anything, though; as I'm kind of like NeverDie and just stay skinny-fit no matter what I do. But I do naturally pace a lot. Which will occasionally evolve into skipping. This is inside, but I have my own routes I built around the house. :p
Shiirn

Pokebis wrote:

They couldn't do shit if a rhino attacked.
i'm pretty sure there isn't anything any person in the world who could do shit without modern technology if a rhino wanted them dead. just saying. humans are naturally weak as fuck compared to most animals on the planet. smaller weaker slower, but pretty good endurance.
Cuddlebun

awp wrote:

Calories aren't a very good measure for weight gain if you're physically active. Calories are basically energy. Unused calories eventually become fat, but that's also literally wasted energy. So trying to lose weight by strictly following a calorie guide is unwise.

You can actually get away with like a 30 minute routine, 3 or 4 days a week, and maintain a good fitness level. I'll do that as soon as I figure out a way to make it entertaining. Maybe I'll mount a TV on the wall facing the home gym. That'd do the trick.
Calorie counting is actually one of the better ways to either gain or lose weight. There have been some people who, to prove a point, ate a certain amount of what I think was Twinkies or some Hostess snack with a supplement of vegetables, and kept it to about 1500 calories a day and lost several pounds in a couple of months. Of course, it was very unhealthy since they were getting no real nutrition, but it proved the point that calories is one of the biggest factors in any diet.

But I guess you are correct in the sense that you said "strictly following" so I don't know why I posted I just felt like rambling
Sync

NeverDie wrote:

Don't know what world you live in buddy, but being overweight isn't attractive at all. Anyone that says looks don't matter are in serious denial. Then again I guess that's their defense mechanism of coping with their own looks. Going out with fat people is like rewarding bad behavior. Shows that you don't care even for your own health, and that's not very attractive.
You are being ignorant. Who's to say there aren't people who enjoy fat men and/or women? Your views are misguided and if you knew even the slightest bit about sexuality there's no way and hell you'd come up with such a stupid statement.

In fact, you encourage treating fat people like dogs -- wow. What a horrible person you are. Please, for the sake of living in the same society as I do, either silence yourself or perhaps stop hanging around like-minded people; it's clearly not doing anything for your intelligence.

...or just go back to /fit/ and deny your homosexuality while, at the same time, admiring "motivation pics".

Or I'll just link you mine.

Do you even lift? also, this thread is tl;dr
hoihoisoi
More on a scientific note, you might be surprised but Ectomorphs have to eat more and less exercise to get buff (As in short periods of exercise but very vigorous according to internet). But fact is this, if you are an ectomorph and you don't exercise cause your metabolism rate is like that, it's equally as bad to a fat person with no exercise. Without exercise, you won't be fully excreting the toxins and built-up waste in your body, which can pose a high threat to a person's health. Believe me, no matter if you're fat or not, as long as you exercise, you can stay healthy. If you don't, I don't think being 30 Kg lighter is going to really help(It will, but you are still at risk as long as you don't exercise). Cause this world, it has a lot of work arounds, for mankind and diseases alike. Not joking here.

I am an ectomorph, I don't get fat like NeverDie no matter how much I eat. Do I feel special among fat people? No, of course not. Why? I find other people more friendly than me and can do much greater things than me. So body size alone doesn't really equal to superior genes IMO. Being an ectomorph or in simple terms, a person who can't gain weight easily is not superior genetics I believe. I have 6 packs too, but it's due to the fact I'm thin. Get this fact, to get packs, you can either go thin, or build muscles. So in other words, having 6 packs, could be because of being thin, simple as that. As long as a person don't exercise, that's bad. I do go fortunately but for really light ones, not planning to build heaps of muscles though.

But frankly back to the topic, is good looks important? Of course it is. They always say first impressions counts. But then comes the second impression, personality. As long as a person has a nasty personality, don't think I'll ever come to like him/her. Conclusion? If I had a choice to go with a pretty girl or an mediocre one. Of course I'd go for the pretty one. But if her personality sucks, nothing I can do about that, I think the oil and water effect will occur over time. A mediocre girl with a super fun and nice personality with a few bad words thrown in and what not? The heck, I guess I can mix with her.

Is dating a fat person wrong? Nope don't think so. Everyone has their own personal opinion. I like my cake with ice cream. Is it wrong for you to like it with whip cream? Don't think so.

What I'm trying to say here is that nobody is perfect. They can work to perfection, but that takes a lot of time and effort. Which frankly speaking, I think I'd rather live my life happy than struggling and painful to reach perfection.

Personal opinion here you know, SOLELY PERSONAL OPINION, it is not fact neither truth, except for probably the first paragraph. Don't mean to offend anyone here. And if I did, sorry in advance. I mean, seriously, I don't want to offend anyone here.
lkjl23

Sync wrote:

NeverDie wrote:

Don't know what world you live in buddy, but being overweight isn't attractive at all. Anyone that says looks don't matter are in serious denial. Then again I guess that's their defense mechanism of coping with their own looks. Going out with fat people is like rewarding bad behavior. Shows that you don't care even for your own health, and that's not very attractive.
You are being ignorant. Who's to say there aren't people who enjoy fat men and/or women? Your views are misguided and if you knew even the slightest bit about sexuality there's no way and hell you'd come up with such a stupid statement.

In fact, you encourage treating fat people like dogs -- wow. What a horrible person you are. Please, for the sake of living in the same society as I do, either silence yourself or perhaps stop hanging around like-minded people; it's clearly not doing anything for your intelligence.

...or just go back to /fit/ and deny your homosexuality while, at the same time, admiring "motivation pics".

Or I'll just link you mine.

Do you even lift? also, this thread is tl;dr
I have a better body than your idol, maybe you should start mirin me instead. Come at me bro.

Ephemeral
i'm actually kind of concerned for you neverdie

i think you may want to visit a therapist. the thread has been all laughs up until a point, but i kind of realise now that you need serious help. had a look through some of my textbooks and i think you may be suffering from quite a pertinent case of narcissism personality disorder. i'm not joking here bro - i know you're hurting and it's tough, but you can hit me up if you want some assistance finding some self-help stuff to tide you through

seriously man, you don't have to keep putting up with it. i feel kind of bad for laughing at you now :(

let's not continue the conversation in this manner further. people are starting to get hurt now, that much is obvious.

EDIT: by the way, ectomorph does not mean what you think it means. you would be mesomorphs, not ectomorphs if you could continually eat without gaining weight or other negative detriment. stop using wikipedia for your definitions, jeez (source: Sheldon, Varieties of Human Physique)
hoihoisoi

Ephemeral wrote:

EDIT: by the way, ectomorph does not mean what you think it means. you would be mesomorphs, not ectomorphs if you could continually eat without gaining weight or other negative detriment. stop using wikipedia for your definitions, jeez (source: Sheldon, Varieties of Human Physique)
Oops, didn't know that. Will take note of it. I think I got the definition from some muscle building site when I typed ectomorph in google search. Looks like I better go have a look at the information one more again.
lkjl23

Ephemeral wrote:

i'm actually kind of concerned for you neverdie

i think you may want to visit a therapist. the thread has been all laughs up until a point, but i kind of realise now that you need serious help. had a look through some of my textbooks and i think you may be suffering from quite a pertinent case of narcissism personality disorder. i'm not joking here bro - i know you're hurting and it's tough, but you can hit me up if you want some assistance finding some self-help stuff to tide you through

seriously man, you don't have to keep putting up with it. i feel kind of bad for laughing at you now :(

let's not continue the conversation in this manner further. people are starting to get hurt now, that much is obvious.

EDIT: by the way, ectomorph does not mean what you think it means. you would be mesomorphs, not ectomorphs if you could continually eat without gaining weight or other negative detriment. stop using wikipedia for your definitions, jeez (source: Sheldon, Varieties of Human Physique)
LOL are you retarded? You don't even lift. Ectomorph > Mesomorph > Endomorph

http://www.muscleandstrength.com/articl ... morph.html

Great, someone that doesn't even lift trying to correct ones that have been doing it for years haha. What'll happen next? It's called confidence bro, narcissism is blowing things out of proportion with no reasonable foundation. I feel bad for you being a virgin nerd that still hasn't gotten some till this day :(

But yeah, stop posting stupid information, you're making yourself look worse. Try actually doing some research. Any more information from me I'll start charging for. I'm not very patient when it comes to schooling dummies.
hoihoisoi

NeverDie wrote:

http://www.muscleandstrength.com/articl ... morph.html
Yup, thats where I got the information from too. Ah well, I guess more reading up is in order for me.
lkjl23

hoihoisoi wrote:

NeverDie wrote:

http://www.muscleandstrength.com/articl ... morph.html
Yup, thats where I got the information from too. Ah well, I guess more reading up is in order for me.
Trust me, we're right, he's wrong. I doubt everyone I've been working out with at the gym for years are wrong and some nerd over the internet that doesn't even lift will somehow be right.
Kedi
all of you have same brain
Ephemeral

NeverDie wrote:

Ephemeral wrote:

i'm actually kind of concerned for you neverdie

i think you may want to visit a therapist. the thread has been all laughs up until a point, but i kind of realise now that you need serious help. had a look through some of my textbooks and i think you may be suffering from quite a pertinent case of narcissism personality disorder. i'm not joking here bro - i know you're hurting and it's tough, but you can hit me up if you want some assistance finding some self-help stuff to tide you through

seriously man, you don't have to keep putting up with it. i feel kind of bad for laughing at you now :(

let's not continue the conversation in this manner further. people are starting to get hurt now, that much is obvious.

EDIT: by the way, ectomorph does not mean what you think it means. you would be mesomorphs, not ectomorphs if you could continually eat without gaining weight or other negative detriment. stop using wikipedia for your definitions, jeez (source: Sheldon, Varieties of Human Physique)
LOL are you retarded? You don't even lift. Ectomorph > Mesomorph > Endomorph

http://www.muscleandstrength.com/articl ... morph.html

Great, someone that doesn't even lift trying to correct ones that have been doing it for years haha. What'll happen next? It's called confidence bro, narcissism is blowing things out of proportion with no reasonable foundation. I feel bad for you being a virgin nerd that still hasn't gotten some till this day :(

But yeah, stop posting stupid information, you're making yourself look worse. Try actually doing some research. Any more information from me I'll start charging for. I'm not very patient when it comes to schooling dummies.
i dont know why you keep bottling it up for. people don't judge you as hardly as you think - you dont have to put on a show to impress them. it won't make you feel any better.

also when you say *morph you are referring to sheldon's archetypes and sheldon's archetypes infer ectomorph as someone with <19 BMI and with significantly below average muscle mass. i can throw a list of scholarly sources in your face if you feel the need to disagree.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Somatotype_and_constitutional_psychology

layman's introduction to the entire thing. mad hypocritical i know, but you'd need access to a university library to see the bulk of said list. trust me on this - ectomorph does not mean what you think it means, and everytime you label yourself as one blindly without even attempting to find out what it actually means from credible sources makes me grade your intelligence progressively lower.

the article you linked isn't entirely wrong, either. that's the funny bit.
Rantai
by the way, ectomorph does not mean what you think it means. you would be mesomorphs, not ectomorphs if you could continually eat without gaining weight or other negative detriment. stop using wikipedia for your definitions, jeez (source: Sheldon, Varieties of Human Physique)
Isn't that technically wrong? I admit I only read a few journal articles just then but your somatotype doesn't really determine if you can continually eat without constraint and not have any negative outcomes but more it determines how much fat you store and how much muscle you can build, among other things.

If anything an ectomorph fits that definition the closest? (the whole eat what you want part)
Zelmarked
I started to lose weight when I got a job. Then I had money that I started to spend more on food. Ha.
_lain
I'm one for tall guys.
Around my height, so about ~195CM
Also, muscles aren't usually my thing, it's alright when you're toned looking but when they stick out it's far enough for me.
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