Someone who is confident in themselves I find attractive. It's almost as if they exude an aura. People obsessed over their looks have fear based thinking and are often negative, cynical people to boot.
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This is where everyone should have realized you have no idea what you are talking about and have a false perception about relationships. I feel sorry for you for feeling like everyone should be in tip top condition no matter what, but some people who you consider "Not caring for their health" can't help it. Have you ever heard of actually illnesses that can cause considerable weight gain?NeverDie wrote:
Going out with fat people is like rewarding bad behavior. Shows that you don't care even for your own health, and that's not very attractive.
Before you go off and start acting like a total ass which you usually do off the bat anyways maybe you should think if your overly egotistic mind can do such a thing.
Moving on:
Really though if someone is truly attracted to you it shouldn't be because of your body it should be because of your personality, how you act, etc etc. As long as you are happy with how you are you shouldn't really worry because there is always someone out there for everyone. Also, I agree with Soly. People who are overly obsessed about their looks really turn me off. I would rather have someone who is happy with how they are.
I kind of back up my opinion with myself. I am thin for my height, but I have never been unhealthy and I am happy with how I look. I may not be the perfect body weight and be all perfectly toned and muscular and such, but in the end I would rather just be myself than try and be what I'm not.
Not my fault you have low standards, and if you actually did some research instead of talking out your ass you'd realize that there is no disease that causes people to be fat regardless of what they do. So all fat people are fat simply because they don't exercise and eat right. No excuses. You sound like someone that's been beat down by life and has admitted defeat. That's not very healthy. It's pathetic trying to accept the way you are when there's so many things you can improve. You either aim for being the best you can be or stay mediocre and pathetic and just expect the world to accept it and like you for it. That doesn't sound too logical to me.JAKACHAN wrote:
This is where everyone should have realized you have no idea what you are talking about and have a false perception about relationships. I feel sorry for you for feeling like everyone should be in tip top condition no matter what, but some people who you consider "Not caring for their health" can't help it. Have you ever heard of actually illnesses that can cause considerable weight gain?NeverDie wrote:
Going out with fat people is like rewarding bad behavior. Shows that you don't care even for your own health, and that's not very attractive.
Before you go off and start acting like a total ass which you usually do off the bat anyways maybe you should think if your overly egotistic mind can do such a thing.
Moving on:
Really though if someone is truly attracted to you it shouldn't be because of your body it should be because of your personality, how you act, etc etc. As long as you are happy with how you are you shouldn't really worry because there is always someone out there for everyone. Also, I agree with Soly. People who are overly obsessed about their looks really turn me off. I would rather have someone who is happy with how they are.
I kind of back up my opinion with myself. I am thin for my height, but I have never been unhealthy and I am happy with how I look. I may not be the perfect body weight and be all perfectly toned and muscular and such, but in the end I would rather just be myself than try and be what I'm not.
I wonder if you hold paraplegics and hypothyroidism sufferers to name a few under the same standards.NeverDie wrote:
So all fat people are fat simply because they don't exercise and eat right. No excuses.
And that's just implying that overweight people are inherently unlikeable and deserve ostracization. Please don't tell me you hold this belief as well.NeverDie wrote:
You either aim for being the best you can be or stay mediocre and pathetic and just expect the world to accept it and like you for it. That doesn't sound too logical to me.
Other common causes of hypothyroidism include:Jarby wrote:
I wonder if you hold paraplegics and hypothyroidism sufferers to name a few under the same standards.NeverDie wrote:
So all fat people are fat simply because they don't exercise and eat right. No excuses.And that's just implying that overweight people are inherently unlikeable and deserve ostracization. Please don't tell me you hold this belief as well.NeverDie wrote:
You either aim for being the best you can be or stay mediocre and pathetic and just expect the world to accept it and like you for it. That doesn't sound too logical to me.
Congenital (birth) defects
Radiation treatments to the neck to treat different cancers, which may also damage the thyroid gland
Radioactive iodine used to treat an overactive thyroid (hyperthyroidism)
Surgical removal of part or all of the thyroid gland, done to treat other thyroid problems
Viral thyroiditis, which may cause hyperthyroidism and is often followed by temporary or permanent hypothyroidism
Certain drugs can cause hypothyroidism, including:
Amiodarone
Drugs used for hyperthyroidism (overactive thyroid), such as propylthiouracil (PTU) and methimazole
Lithium
Radiation to the brain
Sheehan syndrome, a condition that may occur in a woman who bleeds severely during pregnancy or childbirth and causes destruction of the pituitary gland
Risk factors include:
Age over 50 years
Being female
So let's look at this here. How many fat people walking around us actually have this? Maybe no more than 5-15 per thousand fatties. Yes, very sad that they have it and can't help it. But now for the rest of the 99.85% of the fat people, they can do something about it. My point is, it's a CHOICE that people are fat. A few months with proper diet and exercise fixes this, but yet they choose not. Is it logical to think it's a good choice on their part, other than they're doing it out of pure laziness? It isn't. So stop with the excuses. Stop trying to make it out like you're the victim when you aren't. And of course there's girls out there that will go for some overweight guys, but let's be honest here. you think a girl that's hot and has a bunch of guys hitting on her everyday will settle for a fat guy? Nope. When you have a selection of people you can have sex with that look a lot better, you won't pick the worst out of the pile. So much denial ITT.
Whoa, slow down there, partner; I wasn't claiming that these conditions accounted for the majority of overweight people. However, you specified that all overweight people have no excuses. Just clearing up your generalization, mister. Anyway, I think this should all be an individual's business and not something you should have any concern about.
I want to show up at NeverDie's door, strip naked, and dance around.
At any rate, it doesn't even have to be a disorder or disease that causes someone to have poor weight. Some body types are just naturally a bit heftier and the person could be at their healthiest point and not fall under your extremely narrow-minded standards. I'm a somewhat hefty dude but I have absolutely no health problems as a result of my weight. Blood pressure is perfect, cholesterol is low, things are fine. According to you though I'm still just a fatty.
Good thing I know where my health stands and don't give two shits about pleasing people like you.
At any rate, it doesn't even have to be a disorder or disease that causes someone to have poor weight. Some body types are just naturally a bit heftier and the person could be at their healthiest point and not fall under your extremely narrow-minded standards. I'm a somewhat hefty dude but I have absolutely no health problems as a result of my weight. Blood pressure is perfect, cholesterol is low, things are fine. According to you though I'm still just a fatty.
Good thing I know where my health stands and don't give two shits about pleasing people like you.
Settle down, Jarling...Jarby wrote:
Whoa, slow down there, partner; I wasn't claiming that these conditions accounted for the majority of overweight people. However, you specified that all overweight people have no excuses. Just clearing up your generalization, mister
(1000-15) / 1000 = 0.985 = 98.5%NeverDie wrote:
Maybe no more than 5-15 per thousand fatties. Yes, very sad that they have it and can't help it. But now for the rest of the 99.85% of the fat people
he's not good with math
(Also, I apologize for posting this for strictly inflammatory purposes and not contributing to the thread, but this here Internet's a vicious place, and if you have a lousy attitude, people will pick on you)
I want to help out NeverDie since he's the minority here, but I like (female) fatties. And he has his points in the wrong places.
He should be pointing out that obese people who don't take care of themselves rely on health care that healthy people may have to pay.
Except this was never the point of the thread.
He should be pointing out that obese people who don't take care of themselves rely on health care that healthy people may have to pay.
Except this was never the point of the thread.
No idea what to say here srsly.
Umm well all I gotta say is that umm well. Hi. *runs*
Umm well all I gotta say is that umm well. Hi. *runs*
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quality posting you omnislutLizzehb wrote:
No idea what to say here srsly.
Umm well all I gotta say is that umm well. Hi. *runs*
this isn't off topic dear
You should rather have called neverdie a butthurt moron. That would at least be on topic.
Only thing I've agreed with him on so far is the indirect statement of that people who don't take care of themselves are naturally unappealing, other then that its all arrogance.
Average is beautiful. Personally though, I am a leg man.
Thus overweight, underweight, overly-muscled, puny, and any other forms of extremes are all forms of the same ugly. There exist some outliers, as can be seen by those who enjoy fat women (breasts and butts are all fat), those who do not care at all about looks, those who think muscles are hot, and douchebags.
There are many people who simply do not care about their health and take it for granted because that's human nature. Most of us have other shit to worry about. There are many people as well who do not have bad habits which lead to poor health, or who actually enjoy exercise, or simply have the willpower to do force themselves to do something they do not enjoy doing. As a species, advances in technology have allowed people who do not have these traits to survive comparably well, if not better than those without.
The same can be said about people with unhealthy ideals in societies. In more authoritarian societies people with contrary or disagreeable ideals like neverdie usually end up dead. However we have moved from dictatorships to republics/oligarchies where a select few govern, and are much more liberal towards acceptance. Neverdie is a product of that evolution of free society, and only survives here because of it.
There's not much you can do to help your friend other than be supportive of him. I would make fun of him for feeling bad about himself, but I don't give a shit about what other people think and way too much of a thinking introvert, so I'm a bad example.
Thus overweight, underweight, overly-muscled, puny, and any other forms of extremes are all forms of the same ugly. There exist some outliers, as can be seen by those who enjoy fat women (breasts and butts are all fat), those who do not care at all about looks, those who think muscles are hot, and douchebags.
There are many people who simply do not care about their health and take it for granted because that's human nature. Most of us have other shit to worry about. There are many people as well who do not have bad habits which lead to poor health, or who actually enjoy exercise, or simply have the willpower to do force themselves to do something they do not enjoy doing. As a species, advances in technology have allowed people who do not have these traits to survive comparably well, if not better than those without.
The same can be said about people with unhealthy ideals in societies. In more authoritarian societies people with contrary or disagreeable ideals like neverdie usually end up dead. However we have moved from dictatorships to republics/oligarchies where a select few govern, and are much more liberal towards acceptance. Neverdie is a product of that evolution of free society, and only survives here because of it.
There's not much you can do to help your friend other than be supportive of him. I would make fun of him for feeling bad about himself, but I don't give a shit about what other people think and way too much of a thinking introvert, so I'm a bad example.
Pokebis wrote:
I want to help out NeverDie since he's the minority here, but I like (female) fatties. And he has his points in the wrong places.
He should be pointing out that obese people who don't take care of themselves rely on health care that healthy people may have to pay.
Except this was never the point of the thread.
why would you help someone just because they're the minority
I thought Pokebis being a hipster was common knowledge.
actually just because you have a solid body type and your blood pressure and cholesterol are fine does not mean that it is healthy to be overweight to any extentYellowerYoshi wrote:
I want to show up at NeverDie's door, strip naked, and dance around.
At any rate, it doesn't even have to be a disorder or disease that causes someone to have poor weight. Some body types are just naturally a bit heftier and the person could be at their healthiest point and not fall under your extremely narrow-minded standards. I'm a somewhat hefty dude but I have absolutely no health problems as a result of my weight. Blood pressure is perfect, cholesterol is low, things are fine. According to you though I'm still just a fatty.
Good thing I know where my health stands and don't give two shits about pleasing people like you.
I'm no expert but I do like reading journal articles to an extent.
I'm curious on the evidence.
I'm curious on the evidence.
All I can say is there's more to life than thinking what people could see.
The way he think is the way he thinks. I agreed on
like in literal saying, there are different magnets, and not all metals are attracted to that certain magnet. or so I know.
but still my preferences is people who's taller than me, and you couldn't just buy height just to attract types like me.
The way he think is the way he thinks. I agreed on
...and he has this ego that he should really work hard to be attractive, although being attractive is not something to work out.Ephemeral wrote:
what your friend has is probably a symptom of depression rather than any implicit aspect of his personality
in my experience appearances are ultimately secondary or tertiary to other traits in a prospective partner. you simply don't care about the little things when you find a person you really like.
like in literal saying, there are different magnets, and not all metals are attracted to that certain magnet. or so I know.
but still my preferences is people who's taller than me, and you couldn't just buy height just to attract types like me.
ShangMing_old
I am going to offer another interpretation of NeverDie's argument:
* Fat people do not care about their health, and therefore they should be looked down upon. (In general, of course there is the odd case of the exception, which does nothing to help the counter-arguments so stfu.)
To further the argument, this is the implication:
- fat people have no self discipline--in the sense that they DO have the ability to control what they eat, and in the sense that their body and mind will not cease to function should they cut back 500 calories/day so that they consume the calories of a normal person. One does not have to work out every day to be a normal weight--they simply have to not eat like a glutton every day, and the laws of thermodynamics will take effect. I don't see how this is so hard to understand?
In this sense, I don't see why you people consider fatties any better than alcoholics or WoW addicts and such. Please enlighten me if you do, though.
Based on this, I don't see how NeverDie's view is unjustified.
BTW, attacking misinterpretations of his argument (Jarby), telling your success stories about being fat and healthy simultaneously (yelloweryoshi, you're 20 years old ffs), or attacking a math error not relevant to the problem (awp), does nothing to undermine his original arguments, and makes you people look like idiots.
Come at me.
* Fat people do not care about their health, and therefore they should be looked down upon. (In general, of course there is the odd case of the exception, which does nothing to help the counter-arguments so stfu.)
To further the argument, this is the implication:
- fat people have no self discipline--in the sense that they DO have the ability to control what they eat, and in the sense that their body and mind will not cease to function should they cut back 500 calories/day so that they consume the calories of a normal person. One does not have to work out every day to be a normal weight--they simply have to not eat like a glutton every day, and the laws of thermodynamics will take effect. I don't see how this is so hard to understand?
In this sense, I don't see why you people consider fatties any better than alcoholics or WoW addicts and such. Please enlighten me if you do, though.
Based on this, I don't see how NeverDie's view is unjustified.
BTW, attacking misinterpretations of his argument (Jarby), telling your success stories about being fat and healthy simultaneously (yelloweryoshi, you're 20 years old ffs), or attacking a math error not relevant to the problem (awp), does nothing to undermine his original arguments, and makes you people look like idiots.
Come at me.
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Well if you're all wondering how it turned out for them, he completely disallowed her to even give him compliments and call him pretty, by that matter and a lot of other things they got in a severe fight, both ended up hurt and the relationship ended.
anyone who couldn't see that coming shouldn't play near train tracks, just saying.
he completely disallowed her to even give him compliments and call him pretty, by that matter and a lot of other things they got in a severe fight, both ended up hurt and the relationship ended.Fao.
PS: fuck you
I don't even know if that's directed at me or not, or anyone. lol
ShangMing wrote:
attacking misinterpretations of his argument (Jarby)
derpJarby wrote:
Just clearing up your generalization, mister.
ShangMing_old
Jarby wrote:
ShangMing wrote:
attacking misinterpretations of his argument (Jarby)derpJarby wrote:
Just clearing up your generalization, mister.
derp.Jarby wrote:
I wonder if you hold paraplegics and hypothyroidism sufferers to name a few under the same standards.NeverDie wrote:
So all fat people are fat simply because they don't exercise and eat right. No excuses.
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Well fortunately they managed to in the end patch it all up, and get back together again
~~~drama~~~~
~~~drama~~~~
Relaitonships are just silly in the first place. My friends are always happy for a while and then everything goes to shit leaving me with more social decisions to make than I should have to. I think it's silly to take them too seriously.
Life is too silly to take it seriously.
This thread was all about you in the first place. There is no friend, it was you all along. So obvious.failboat wrote:
Well fortunately they managed to in the end patch it all up, and get back together again
~~~drama~~~~
NeverDie wrote:
This thread was all about you in the first place. There is no friend, it was you all along. So obvious.
Topic Starter
okay
lock time
lock time
I dunno, I say we change the title to NeverDie stays stern on his nonsensical values while everyone bashes him and let it keep going.
ShangMing_old
I'm sorry, but not a single argument here has presented a sensible view or valid arguments against NeverDie's.Vext wrote:
I dunno, I say we change the title to NeverDie stays stern on his nonsensical values while everyone bashes him and let it keep going.
You have all shown that all you can do it be fucking idiots. Keep trying though, by all means.
The Canadian with 3 posts wants to fight; I'm too lazy. I want someone to though.
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Your point being?NeverDie wrote:
This thread was all about you in the first place. There is no friend, it was you all along. So obvious.failboat wrote:
Well fortunately they managed to in the end patch it all up, and get back together again
~~~drama~~~~
First of all, you're wrong, second of all, you're solely being butthurt right now. I don't see of what relevance it has to whos the problem is.
Snipped, oh well.
failboat what are you doing
failboat what are you doing
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what
Nothing. :c
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i don't understand you sometimes
ShangMing_old
You're not too lazy, you just don't have any valid points.Vext wrote:
The Canadian with 3 posts wants to fight; I'm too lazy. I want someone to though.
And I don't see how being Canadian, and having three posts is relevant to anything. You're shit as osu, yet I don't point that out, do I?
He's not Canadian because Canadians are very nice people.Vext wrote:
The Canadian with 3 posts wants to fight; I'm too lazy. I want someone to though.
ShangMing_old
I think a lock is impending here if it is just going to devolve into a flame war. Way to have an intelligent discussion guys. 
ShangMing_old
I'm not flaming anyone, I'm simply using the same logic they used to draw conclusions because I have no valid arguments to offer, I think I was doing it pretty accurately.YellowerYoshi wrote:
I think a lock is impending here if it is just going to devolve into a flame war. Way to have an intelligent discussion guys.
Post of the yearShangMing wrote:
You must be American because you are fat?
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all respect lost backfire
Feels bad, man.
Lost respect from that guy.
I would cry, bro.
Lost respect from that guy.
I would cry, bro.
Oh yeah, right, I forgot that jokes don't exist on the Internet because the Internet is SERIOUS BUSINESS. Excuse me. Also, I'm not American, I am a dirty immigrant.ShangMing wrote:
You must be American because you are fat?
They deleted my epic posts.
removed the literal shitposts as they risked intervening with the glory of this thread
I'm not sure whether I like or am disappointed in how uptight posts in this thread have been. It's been entertaining, but at the same time if I were expecting what is said in this thread (not the core argument, the subsequent bickering) to be serious, I'd have to consider everyone an idiot.
NeverDie's opinion of "fat people are not attractive" is his opinion of what isn't an appealing body figure or preference. That's on topic, and people don't really have any business telling him otherwise. It's dismissing the opinions of others as bullshit that makes you a massive cunt - to outright say "your opinions on specific physical forms/shapes are a detriment to society" is the kind of dick move that would derail a thread like this into a discussion of opinions rather than an opinion on the discussion topic. I'm not going to say that's exactly what happened at the end of the first page
but you're welcome to point it out, GD
I'm not sure whether I like or am disappointed in how uptight posts in this thread have been. It's been entertaining, but at the same time if I were expecting what is said in this thread (not the core argument, the subsequent bickering) to be serious, I'd have to consider everyone an idiot.
NeverDie's opinion of "fat people are not attractive" is his opinion of what isn't an appealing body figure or preference. That's on topic, and people don't really have any business telling him otherwise. It's dismissing the opinions of others as bullshit that makes you a massive cunt - to outright say "your opinions on specific physical forms/shapes are a detriment to society" is the kind of dick move that would derail a thread like this into a discussion of opinions rather than an opinion on the discussion topic. I'm not going to say that's exactly what happened at the end of the first page
but you're welcome to point it out, GD
ShangMing makes some good arguments, but some people make the lifestyle choice of being fat. Not taking care of yourself involves actual neglect of health and ignoring sanitation and such.
Like others have said, you can be chubby and still be healthy. Having an "optimal" (buffed out) figure isn't really always the right answer and would severely alter some people's busy, financial lives, or even their relationships. I've seen guys start to turn into fitness nuts to impress their girl only to have their girl dump them because of it. It all goes back to personal opinions.
And unsanitary people are always gross to me. Shower, people. (And yes, the internet has shown there are slob fetishists too)
Like others have said, you can be chubby and still be healthy. Having an "optimal" (buffed out) figure isn't really always the right answer and would severely alter some people's busy, financial lives, or even their relationships. I've seen guys start to turn into fitness nuts to impress their girl only to have their girl dump them because of it. It all goes back to personal opinions.
And unsanitary people are always gross to me. Shower, people. (And yes, the internet has shown there are slob fetishists too)
You're my dirty immigrant, baby~.Firo Prochainezo wrote:
Oh yeah, right, I forgot that jokes don't exist on the Internet because the Internet is SERIOUS BUSINESS. Excuse me. Also, I'm not American, I am a dirty immigrant.ShangMing wrote:
You must be American because you are fat?
Wasn't that stated in like the second para?NeverDie wrote:
This thread was all about you in the first place. There is no friend, it was you all along. So obvious.failboat wrote:
Well fortunately they managed to in the end patch it all up, and get back together again
~~~drama~~~~
If it's about failboat, or failboat's friend, it doesn't matter! It's still about failboat wit the relation of friend and klsjgilkjdfkgdgdfg. DUH.
Y U MAKE ME SO MAD?
asd
The reason NeverDie is getting flamed is because he is stating his "opinion" as fact, and that opinion happens to be very objectionable, especially in this community.awp wrote:
NeverDie's opinion of "fat people are not attractive" is his opinion of what isn't an appealing body figure or preference. That's on topic, and people don't really have any business telling him otherwise.
I like my women how I like my vodka. 12 years old and mixed with coke.
Nah, but I like women to be shorter than I am (I'm 1.78m, which is quite short in the Netherlands)
Also long hair and ass.
Nothing wrong with a girl who has a bit (A BIT) of meat, but fat is disgusting though, like NeverDie already said.
Nah, but I like women to be shorter than I am (I'm 1.78m, which is quite short in the Netherlands)
Also long hair and ass.
Nothing wrong with a girl who has a bit (A BIT) of meat, but fat is disgusting though, like NeverDie already said.
A long ass ?
yes.
Awesome.
A little FisHie.
Whales are much larger.
Whales are much larger.
I feel like it's important to address the OP first as that was the point of the thread: If someone feels bad about their own looks, then they should stop thinking about it, and take action to change what they don't like while they keep every quality they're proud of. This is what I think every hardworking attractive person in this world does. Just think, are some people are just blessed with good looks? Fuck no, they probably had to work their asses off, and it's a full time job, just like popularity in highschool, any paying job or manual labor. Research, learn, apply, take action, and don't break your discipline. This is why I respect every well-built man and any fine looking women with sexy curves. They must have put a lot of time and dedication into how they looked WHILE balancing everything else in this life that we seem to find important these days. <3
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I love girls who have a very tone body with curves because it's attractive to me. I like girls who grow their hair out and manage it very well, but only let it down when they want to look their finest. A pleasant and attractive voice will always get my attention and make me listen. Smooth and healthy skin makes me want to touch them and take care of them. Lastly a well shaped and cute face is most important out of everything as it makes me smile.
All of this is what is most important to attract healthy, strong, well-groomed, intelligent and powerful men in the very beginning.
After that it comes down to their personality, if they have a great personality, they're a keeper that you continue to love. If they fail to be very tolerable, you have sex with them and move on.
I believe in Darwinism especially after reading the book "The Moral Animal."
Just like NeverDie, I think only a moron would disregard the attractive qualities of looking good. Those are first and foremost to building attraction for a strong relationship. Trust me though, I don't look anywhere near as good as NeverDie either.
I find it really really easy to find attractive qualities in most people in the world, I just don't think it's worth it to ignore things that everyone can agree is important such as looks, social intuition, and confidence.
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I love girls who have a very tone body with curves because it's attractive to me. I like girls who grow their hair out and manage it very well, but only let it down when they want to look their finest. A pleasant and attractive voice will always get my attention and make me listen. Smooth and healthy skin makes me want to touch them and take care of them. Lastly a well shaped and cute face is most important out of everything as it makes me smile.
All of this is what is most important to attract healthy, strong, well-groomed, intelligent and powerful men in the very beginning.
After that it comes down to their personality, if they have a great personality, they're a keeper that you continue to love. If they fail to be very tolerable, you have sex with them and move on.
I believe in Darwinism especially after reading the book "The Moral Animal."
Just like NeverDie, I think only a moron would disregard the attractive qualities of looking good. Those are first and foremost to building attraction for a strong relationship. Trust me though, I don't look anywhere near as good as NeverDie either.
I find it really really easy to find attractive qualities in most people in the world, I just don't think it's worth it to ignore things that everyone can agree is important such as looks, social intuition, and confidence.
inb4 plastic surgery.
Hahaha, I don't think of it as a bad thing, absolutely not.mathexpert9981 wrote:
inb4 plastic surgery.
Hard work makes good money.
Hard work makes good looks.
Good money pays for good looks.
I suppose?
Plastic surgery? "Those aren't boobs! THEY'RE LIES!!!!"
I find that someone insecure enough to get plastic surgery is very unattractive, even if it doesn't look horribly artificial.
That assumes that getting plastic surgery is an insecure behavior. I don't see how that is the case. But you are entitled to your biases.mathexpert9981 wrote:
I find that someone insecure enough to get plastic surgery is very unattractive, even if it doesn't look horribly artificial.
A counter argument can be made that its insecure to dislike someone purely because they have had plastic surgery in their life.
You're argument completely stands if it is your current girlfriend/spouse asking you to pay for her plastic surgery. That's gold digging, and she can pay for it if she wants to better herself. HER WORK is what should make plastic surgery legitimate.
To me, as an individual, I find the act of plastic surgery appalling regardless of the circumstances. The only way I see it justified is if the person was injured in a way that heavily altered their physical appearance in the first place such as a burn.
But I assume it falls into body modification in general as I also don't like piercings or tattoos/body art.
Staying fit and hygienic is always a great pursuit that does deserve a proper amount of effort, but paying your way into a permanent costume isn't appealing to me a single bit.
But I assume it falls into body modification in general as I also don't like piercings or tattoos/body art.
Staying fit and hygienic is always a great pursuit that does deserve a proper amount of effort, but paying your way into a permanent costume isn't appealing to me a single bit.
I find plastic surgery alright. Those who benefit foremost are the ones around the individual. No one's a loser. Unless the plastic surgeon screws up.
NEVERDIE ALWAYS LIESVext wrote:
Plastic surgery? "Those aren't boobs! THEY'RE LIES!!!!"
As long as you're smart enough to realize "looking good" is relative to each individual's preferences, then yeah I'd say soB12ad wrote:
Just like NeverDie, I think only a moron would disregard the attractive qualities of looking good.
strictly trolling without at least wrapping your post in a thin disguise of an argument is NOT ACCEPTABLED33d wrote:
NEVERDIE ALWAYS LIESVext wrote:
Plastic surgery? "Those aren't boobs! THEY'RE LIES!!!!"
we're looking for SOME effort
Major consensus is that a well toned and fit body is the ideal look. There's people who even have sex with dogs, pigs, monkeys, and yes, fat people. Those people are not the norm and have obvious mental defects to certain extents.awp wrote:
As long as you're smart enough to realize "looking good" is relative to each individual's preferences, then yeah I'd say soB12ad wrote:
Just like NeverDie, I think only a moron would disregard the attractive qualities of looking good.
yeah but pop music is also popular/always on the radio etc and if you break its structure down, it's shit
just because the majority of people like something, it doesn't mean everyone who doesn't is "wrong" or "defective"
just because the majority of people like something, it doesn't mean everyone who doesn't is "wrong" or "defective"
Yeah it does. You think evolution made it so that fat people are the ones with superior genetics? Of course not. There's a reason why everyone likes what they like, because it serves an evolutionary purpose. Anyone who's fat would have not been able to escape predators back in the day, hence why we have a preference for someone that's fit because that means they have higher survival value. Anyone that doesn't prefer that is going against their evolutionary programming, hence they're a defect. Simple as that. Either a defect or really desperate.awp wrote:
yeah but pop music is also popular/always on the radio etc and if you break its structure down, it's shit
just because the majority of people like something, it doesn't mean everyone who doesn't is "wrong" or "defective"
That may have been more relevant a couple hundred thousand years ago than it is now, but predators have kind of gone to the wayside. Fat people store heat better, so that has its own survival value, since some parts of the world are still cold.NeverDie wrote:
Anyone who's fat would have not been able to escape predators back in the day, hence why we have a preference for someone that's fit because that means they have higher survival value.
I'm pretty sure being a homosexual falls under going against evolutionary programming, and I'm pretty sure you're calling homosexuals defective. That makes your beliefs appear rooted in intolerance more than anything else, and that's going to make it hard for myself (and probably a few others) to take your words seriously. Like, not just the ones in this thread. Any of 'em.NeverDie wrote:
Anyone that doesn't prefer that is going against their evolutionary programming, hence they're a defect. Simple as that. Either a defect or really desperate.
Homosexuals ARE defective rofl. They wouldn't be here if their parents were homos too. Another thing you're also forgetting is that evolution takes course through millions of years. We are still the same biological entity that was here 100,000 years ago, we haven't changed at all. I just think everyone that's disagreeing with me is retarded and in plain denial, but in the end, I really don't care rofl. I'm not the one going to be screwing fatties and keep living in self-denial that, that's what I really want, it's everyone else in this thread with that mentality. Pretty sad one if you ask me, but hey to each his own. There's a good reason why people like that are the minority.awp wrote:
That may have been more relevant a couple hundred thousand years ago than it is now, but predators have kind of gone to the wayside. Fat people store heat better, so that has its own survival value, since some parts of the world are still cold.NeverDie wrote:
Anyone who's fat would have not been able to escape predators back in the day, hence why we have a preference for someone that's fit because that means they have higher survival value.I'm pretty sure being a homosexual falls under going against evolutionary programming, and I'm pretty sure you're calling homosexuals defective. That makes your beliefs appear rooted in intolerance more than anything else, and that's going to make it hard for myself (and probably a few others) to take your words seriously. Like, not just the ones in this thread. Any of 'em.NeverDie wrote:
Anyone that doesn't prefer that is going against their evolutionary programming, hence they're a defect. Simple as that. Either a defect or really desperate.
I suggest you have a read of Jim McKnight's Straight science?: Homosexuality, evolution and adaptation.
Your understanding of the evolutionary concept is extremely flawed and borderlines on flat out ignorance. Either read up, or shut up.
Your understanding of the evolutionary concept is extremely flawed and borderlines on flat out ignorance. Either read up, or shut up.
I still don't get how me getting a boner for a fat bitch and me not-getting a boner for a skinny bitch is denial.
Also, with all this talk of evolution, I think I'm going to pull creationism into the mix and say your entire backup argument is bullshit.
And, as you say, being fat isn't hereditary, and while habits and some features may follow in with children the child isn't necessarily inferior genetically than if the mother was skinny.
Come at me bro.
Also, with all this talk of evolution, I think I'm going to pull creationism into the mix and say your entire backup argument is bullshit.
And, as you say, being fat isn't hereditary, and while habits and some features may follow in with children the child isn't necessarily inferior genetically than if the mother was skinny.
Come at me bro.
Don't even bother. NeverDie has no fucking idea what he's talking about.Pokebis wrote:
I still don't get how me getting a boner for a fat bitch and me not-getting a boner for a skinny bitch is denial.
Also, with all this talk of evolution, I think I'm going to pull creationism into the mix and say your entire backup argument is bullshit.
And, as you say, being fat isn't hereditary, and while habits and some features may follow in with children the child isn't necessarily inferior genetically than if the mother was skinny.
Come at me bro.
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Fat women were originally symbols of fertility, power, and beauty. Women were never culturally hunters. The ability to indulge showed superiority.
genetic evolutionNeverDie wrote:
evolution takes course through millions of years
nowadays we have science for things like that. Predators? Invent a gun. Cold snap? Turn the heater on inside the house you built. Flood? Live in a helicopter.
Times and scientific advancements have changed to the point where survival is almost directly proportional to wealth, which kind of undermines your argument from a strictly aesthetic perspective.
You also remain in denial about the concept of personal preference but, like you said, to each their own
I like how he finished with, "to each his own."
\:D/ I can't wait to see how NeverDie feels when he gets old, fat, and wrinkly.
I'm not agreeing or disagreeing with you on any of your points, I am just here to be a pedantic and mention wisdom teeth.NeverDie wrote:
We are still the same biological entity that was here 100,000 years ago, we haven't changed at all.
Jakes on you, I have superior genetics. I'm never getting fat haha. I'll be slim till the day I die no matter how much I eat, all the men on my father's and mother's side are like that. Not to mention I won't start getting gray hair till I'm over 65 and even then it won't be much either rofl. But we can't all be so lucky in the genetic pool, such is life.Vext wrote:
\:D/ I can't wait to see how NeverDie feels when he gets old, fat, and wrinkly.
NeverDie wrote:
I have superior genetics. I'm never getting fat haha. I'll be slim till the day I die no matter how much I eat, all the men on my father's and mother's side are like that.
NeverDie wrote:
My point is, it's a CHOICE that people are fat.
For most people yeah, but for people like me that are ectomorphs (google that if you don't know what it is), we don't have to worry about what we eat. We eat what ever, and as much as we want, and we can't get fat. And although most of them do end up getting overweight once past the age of 50, if my family's history is any indicator, I won't have that problem ever, till the day I die.Jarby wrote:
NeverDie wrote:
I have superior genetics. I'm never getting fat haha. I'll be slim till the day I die no matter how much I eat, all the men on my father's and mother's side are like that.NeverDie wrote:
My point is, it's a CHOICE that people are fat.
Sheldon's theories enjoyed a vogue as the "pop-psych flavor of the month" through the 1950s.[3] Modern scientists, however, generally (with occasional exceptions[4][5], some relying on outdated - 1978 or prior - studies) dismiss his claims as outdated, if not outright quackery."Nude Photos Are Sealed At Smithsonian". New York Times. January 21, 1995. Retrieved December 1, 2011. "Later, other photographs were taken by W. H. Sheldon, a researcher who believed that there was a relationship between body shape and intelligence and other traits. Mr. Sheldon has since died, and his work has long been dismissed by most scientists as quackery. ..."</ref>It doesn't make sense for someone to consume literally any amount of food and gain nothing anyway.
Jarby wrote:
Sheldon's theories enjoyed a vogue as the "pop-psych flavor of the month" through the 1950s.[3] Modern scientists, however, generally (with occasional exceptions[4][5], some relying on outdated - 1978 or prior - studies) dismiss his claims as outdated, if not outright quackery."Nude Photos Are Sealed At Smithsonian". New York Times. January 21, 1995. Retrieved December 1, 2011. "Later, other photographs were taken by W. H. Sheldon, a researcher who believed that there was a relationship between body shape and intelligence and other traits. Mr. Sheldon has since died, and his work has long been dismissed by most scientists as quackery. ..."</ref>It doesn't make sense for someone to consume literally any amount of food and gain nothing anyway.
My point is, I've been on 4k calories per day diet to bulk up and I don't gain any fat at all. I've had a 6 pack since I was 11. I never work out my abs, only the rest of my body and they're still there. It's called dat dere genetics bro. All the men on my father's side were athletes or lifted weights, and I was no exception.
Point is, genetics makes it easier for some to gain fat, and very hard for others to gain fat. Maybe if I ate 6-8k calories a day that would do something, but that's like eating as much as 3 people per day. Don't see how that'll ever happen on a constant basis for me.
Yay for metabolisms!
Except mine is in total overdrive :<
Except mine is in total overdrive :<
so wait, you've been trying to bulk up to get even bigger tits?
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAfoulcoon wrote:
so wait, you've been trying to bulk up to get even bigger tits?
I love you foulcoon
I like how your idea of superior genetics is having larger muscles than other people. Judging from your story and incredibly misguided concept of genetic evolution I can guess it's probably just what your parents have been telling you since you were young.
It seems that almost every single pioneer of science, engineering and technology in history wouldn't fit into your category since they spent their time moving society forward with their breakthroughs rather than working out on their physical fitness. You are better than all of the people who are the reason you're here making yourself look like an idiot on the internet.
You are clearly better than all of them.
It seems that almost every single pioneer of science, engineering and technology in history wouldn't fit into your category since they spent their time moving society forward with their breakthroughs rather than working out on their physical fitness. You are better than all of the people who are the reason you're here making yourself look like an idiot on the internet.
You are clearly better than all of them.
They were inferior as they improved the lives of others rather than themselves. They couldn't do shit if a rhino attacked.
Who says you can't do both? Working out only takes like 60-90 minutes a day, there's no excuse. Potatoes gonna potate. Seems like someone's in huge denial, but I'm sure it helps you cope with your looks, so I can't blame you or anyone else in this thread.Shellghost wrote:
I like how your idea of superior genetics is having larger muscles than other people. Judging from your story and incredibly misguided concept of genetic evolution I can guess it's probably just what your parents have been telling you since you were young.
It seems that almost every single pioneer of science, engineering and technology in history wouldn't fit into your category since they spent their time moving society forward with their breakthroughs rather than working out on their physical fitness. You are better than all of the people who are the reason you're here making yourself look like an idiot on the internet.
You are clearly better than all of them.
Calories aren't a very good measure for weight gain if you're physically active. Calories are basically energy. Unused calories eventually become fat, but that's also literally wasted energy. So trying to lose weight by strictly following a calorie guide is unwise.
You can actually get away with like a 30 minute routine, 3 or 4 days a week, and maintain a good fitness level. I'll do that as soon as I figure out a way to make it entertaining. Maybe I'll mount a TV on the wall facing the home gym. That'd do the trick.
You can actually get away with like a 30 minute routine, 3 or 4 days a week, and maintain a good fitness level. I'll do that as soon as I figure out a way to make it entertaining. Maybe I'll mount a TV on the wall facing the home gym. That'd do the trick.