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bmin11
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bmin11

Two wrote:

um based on my role, I didn't think other roles were closely tied to their game in functionality

but I guess yours is?
Somewhat. It has a different win condition and ability, but the method is the same. But your role seems far far away from having any connection with Werewolf.

LadySuburu wrote:

Defending or not defending a gambit does not really influence if one is or is not town.

A scum can argue against another scum's plan in thread to distance and look town when it helps them.

A town can argue for a scum's plan when the plan looks like it will benefit town.

and other similar situations.


However, I really don't feel like arguing with you, because it feels like when I argued with two in the past. Not fun, and neither one of us is going to see it the other's way.

At this point though, regardless of two's alignment no more softclaims.
You do realize mafia wouldn't suggest a plan they wouldn't advantage from, nor there will be a townie who would agree on a plan that would hurt town. We clearly stated there's nothing much to gain from the information and the risk of other alignment gaining from it was high. You, however, covered up by saying "it's a necessary risk to take for town". What's funny is now you disclose the plan after Two claiming the plan was just for his benefit and multiple people (Chris, me, and 0_o) disagreed to the plan. You shouldn't have gave up with the plan just because of these reasons since the plan itself does not get influenced from whatever is happening right now. For example, why did you think the plan was okay when only Chris was disagreeing to it and now you think the plan is wrong because others have opposed? There aren't any elements that would effect the outcome of the plan.

Vote: LS
Two_old
620 posts
Joined March 2008
Two_old
I suggest you lynch me for verification and then lynch lilac

lynching ladysuburu would just be a bad move at this point
LadySuburu
80 posts
Joined June 2008
LadySuburu

bmin11 wrote:

You do realize mafia wouldn't suggest a plan they wouldn't advantage from, nor there will be a townie who would agree on a plan that would hurt town. We clearly stated there's nothing much to gain from the information and the risk of other alignment gaining from it was high. You, however, covered up by saying "it's a necessary risk to take for town". What's funny is now you disclose the plan after Two claiming the plan was just for his benefit and multiple people (Chris, me, and 0_o) disagreed to the plan. You shouldn't have gave up with the plan just because of these reasons since the plan itself does not get influenced from whatever is happening right now. For example, why did you think the plan was okay when only Chris was disagreeing to it and now you think the plan is wrong because others have opposed? There aren't any elements that would effect the outcome of the plan.

Vote: LS
Elements that effect the outcome of the plan:

At least one role has used an action based on a softclaim. Additional softclaims are now likely to hurt the town, in addition to the ones already claimed likely having hurt the town.

The plan did have a benefit, that being that I see certain games that could be claimed as not being used here for multiple reasons.


Also, you're oddly aggressive.

Since I'm about to get skyrim and don't mind getting lynched for speaking everything I'm thinking this time around, I'm going to do so.


Meta: I'm more quiet and withdrawn as scum, except when I get in a safe spot. As town I'm quiet until I have something to work on, which usually doesn't come until at least D2.


Also, I never said "It's a necessary risk to take for town", I stated that I belived we had something to gain from it, and that it was a risk I was willing to take. I also never once told anyone else to softclaim, the only things I've done in relation to the plan is to softclaim myself, and argue with chris.

HoS: bmin.


@two: What would the benefit of lynching you be? I'm not certain if the lynch attempt will end the day or not, and if it does, that's a huge waste.
Two_old
620 posts
Joined March 2008
Two_old
well I assumed it wouldn't end the day

I don't care either way, ultimately
pieguyn
2,020 posts
Joined May 2009
pieguyn
I just read the thread and what the hell

This seems as insane as Paska mafia, but in a good way. o.o Anyway, I think Chris is suspicious, but it's mostly a gut feeling. I'm also somewhat suspicious of the people who haven't posted anything at all yet.

Two obviously just wanted a vigilante kill, and given my role I'm inclined to believe that roles aren't necessarily from the game they were from. However, that anti-claim measure was to benefit mafia, so I'm not exactly sure what to think. LS stated that it would benefit town, and I can't say I disagree, but I'm a bit cautious especially after seeing what Two did, as the mafia could have something similar...

Chris seemed, however, to constantly misinterpret everyone's posts. I think that's kind of suspicious because the mafia wants to mislead people. I'm also suspicious of bmin because he said that a mafia wouldn't propose a plan that helps town. When I was mafia in Two's game, I essentially did the exact same thing I would have done if I was town, which would include proposing a plan that helps town, though ultimately I lost D7 (but I got a lot farther than I thought I would, it was fun xD).

I'm also suspicious of the people who haven't posted yet. I can immediately point out Ivalset, Lyby, Jinxy, and I forgot if Rantai posted or not :? There's probably others I forgot too...

By the way, I'd assume it would end the day but the person with the second-most votes gets lynched instead. mod: If a lynchproof person reaches majority, will that end the day?
Wojjan
806 posts
Joined August 2008
Topic Starter
Wojjan
Bringing a lynchproof to majority shall end the day.
Chris_old
0 posts
Joined February 2008
Chris_old
I guess pieguy is mafia #2
Two_old
620 posts
Joined March 2008
Two_old
an easy strategy in large games as mafia is to just sit back and let everyone tear each other apart
Chris_old
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Chris_old
1. Backfire
2. 0_o
3. LadySuburu
4. Ivalset
5. foulcoon
6. Lybydose
7. Salvage
8. JInxyjem
9. Chris
10. pieguy1372
11. bmin11
12. NoHItter
13. adam2046
14. Swiftwolf Yellowtail
15. Rantai
16. KRZY
17. Two
18. Lilac
19. Luna
20. Mashley
21. akrolsmr
22. animask

I've seen mashley lurking all day


@mod

can you edit one of the first posts and do the whole dead/alive thing please
pieguyn
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Joined May 2009
pieguyn
Oh wow, it does end the day. Trying to lynch Two would be a bad idea then.

Mashley posted at the start of today but I don't think he's posted after that. If what you said is true, Chris then that would be quite suspicious, maybe even more so than the people who haven't posted :?
Two_old
620 posts
Joined March 2008
Two_old
well then

unvote, vote mashley

let's do this
Salvage
590 posts
Joined January 2010
Salvage
ok i'm not gone yet .. goin in like an hour or so,



HI ADAMMMMMMMMMM
Backfire
3,208 posts
Joined February 2010
Backfire
Uhm o-o
Salvage
590 posts
Joined January 2010
Salvage
^

"Users browsing this forum: adam2046" ..



why so quiet backfire
bmin11
5,438 posts
Joined October 2008
bmin11
Working with the plan is the same as agreeing to it and I don't necessarily agree to using meta to justify your action and your innocent. However, I won't denie that Two's action certainly gave us a warning for the plan. The point is however, you never posted of any possible gains from the plan when you were going with Two's plan, but just said "we could possibly gain from it", which looks true since most of the time more info = advantage for town, but you overlooked the possible gain the mafia could have gotten also knowing the Mod hinted it as well. Townie should be a bit more careful with their actions, specially if we are doing something that could result in a bad way.

LS wrote:

Also, you're oddly aggressive.
I learnt looking like a townie only benefits when I was mafia. Doesn't help a penny for scumhunting I realized.
Salvage
590 posts
Joined January 2010
Salvage
vote: Backfire


again, why so quiet backfire? .. i want to point out mashley and adam lurking the hell out of this, reading and leaving too.



and posting useless stuff doesn't count neither just to let it clear, and i'm not asking for plans, just thoughts on the situation ..




i left the ones that didn't post cause it's pretty obvious, just talking to the ones that read and leave.
Backfire
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Joined February 2010
Backfire
Why am I quiet? Well
I went to play MW3, and i'm a little busy.
Thats all.

Also Unvote.
Two_old
620 posts
Joined March 2008
Two_old
unvote, vote backfire
adam2046
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adam2046

Salvage wrote:

i want to point out mashley and adam lurking the hell out of this, reading and leaving too.
Sorry for reading the bloody thread before posting.

Vote: Pieguy
Gut feeling.

I'll make a real post after I'm done thinking.
Salvage
590 posts
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Salvage
i'll forgive you when you make a real post.
Backfire
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Backfire
Dunno what reason you have to vote me for at the moment, but ok.

I can see where you're coming from.

I usually wait a while before I start posting a lot anyways, so I have material to work with.
NoHitter
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NoHitter
Mafia got fakeclaims right?
Therefore I do not think a mass softclaim would help us at all.
What it will do is just expose the games of town, and allow Mafia to guess our roles to some extent.

In fact there could be mafia roles that could benefit their faction by knowing our game.
(See what Two did only imagine a mafia role.)

tl:dr I think softclaiming has more risks than benefits.

Also someone make an ISO list for this game.
Salvage
590 posts
Joined January 2010
Salvage

Backfire wrote:

Dunno what reason you have to vote me for at the moment, but ok.

I can see where you're coming from.

I usually wait a while before I start posting a lot anyways, so I have material to work with.



that giving your opinion on the actual situation of the game is better than what you're doing right now (thinking on what to say to don't slip and screw it up for you and your mafia partners for example)
Salvage
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Salvage
anyways now i'm really going out, back in like 5 or so hours, love you guys.
NoHitter
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NoHitter
Thoughts:
I think LS is somewhat suspicious.
The act of saying "Chris is scumpainting me!" more than once is getting suspicious.
It' feels like you're very defensive.

Also regarding Two, I'm willing to lynch him to check his alibi.
Note that Mafia have fakeclaims and that chances are, the only game that he could get from a claim was a townie's game as they have no fakeclaims.
This means that his role would be more helpful to Mafia.
That is unless of course we have a Flavor/Role Cop.

I also felt that his attitude after he claimed was more of a gambit than sincere.
"Damn I shot wrongly. I'm lynch immune though so I can prove it. Vote me."
1) You didn't have to claim Vig. No one knew you were the Vig.
2) If you were town, a lynchproof/bulletproof would be more useful if kept silent about.
Two_old
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Two_old
I'm no longer for lynching me, and I can guarantee you will have a harder time convincing people to no lynch through lynching me than I will of convincing them to lynch you, nohitter
bmin11
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bmin11
I would like to see that attempt. In other word, do you have any suspicion for NoHItter right now?
KRZY
Former osu! Champion: OWC#3
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KRZY

bmin11 wrote:

However, I won't denie that Two's action certainly gave us a warning for the plan.
bmin I am disappointed. This way you will forever be taking ESL.


Read the thread. Pretty much agree with NoHitter right now.

I don't know what is the norm for the day ending/continuing if a lynchproof is brought to the majority, but I am guessing that Two weighed his options and thought it was not so much of a risk to take since people will figure out that lynching a lynchproof will prematurely end the day, which is undesired at this point.
Two_old
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Two_old
krzy I can't understand what you are saying
bmin11
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bmin11
orz Is it even necessary to point it out? oTL
Jinxy
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Jinxy
asdf 13 pages

Two claiming vig without the need to does sound like one of his gambits, and NH being ok to lynch him despite knowing day will end is rather suspicious to me.
NoHitter
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NoHitter

JInxyjem wrote:

Two claiming vig without the need to does sound like one of his gambits, and NH being ok to lynch him despite knowing day will end is rather suspicious to me.
I'm proposing lynching him to CONFIRM his story.
Unless one has prior knowledge/ that person is confirmed town, one cannot believe what he claims just like that.
Two_old
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Two_old
you are proposing that we no lynch to confirm a fragment of my story

now tell me why we shouldn't lynch you
NoHitter
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NoHitter
Because I don't buy your role claim.
It's one thing to be a Town Vig who can kill using game names. (See my earlier post on why I think this isn't even a town role.)
But it's another to be lynch and kill immune right AFTER you execute your kill.

If we DO lynch you and you die, you're either scum, indy or a horrible town layer.
If we DO lynch you and you don't die, you're telling the truth, and we can trust you somewhat.

The lead you gave us with your claim is currently, in my opinion, better than a possible regular lynch at this moment.

Of course if we get more info/something else happens that gives a better lead, then I'm willing to switch options.
Two_old
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Two_old
well your supposed opinions are horribly wrong

all me getting lynched and not dying would prove is that I have at least 1 shot lynchproof

you don't know whether or not I actually killed him, or anything else

no lynching is only viable when your numbers are smaller, day 1 no lynch is the worst move town could possibly make as it turns day 2 into an equally useless day
bmin11
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Joined October 2008
bmin11
I'm doubting there would be a one-shot lynchproof mafia and so does NoHItter I think. If you are really unlynchable, you would be close to confirmed town. However, I agree it isn't a wise move to do on D1. All we will be getting is a near-confirm townie with a possibility of having a lynchproof mafia.
Rantai
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Rantai
Dear god the pages

About Two;

I understand the consequences of a no lynch but Two's role is something I don't believe. Claiming to be completely unkillable (Or at least 1 shot unkillable) seems like a convenient excuse to never be lynched the whole game because, when you think about it, he can just keep using the same argument (Ie no lynch is bad, don't lynch me!) every day up to ly-lo. I also find it convenient that he completely latched himself onto the 'lynch will end the day' but that opinion will vary among everyone.

To be honest, I'd rather risk the "no lynch" now rather than later because 'we have a cushion of 22 players' because it's entirely possible he is lying.
Two_old
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Two_old

Rantai wrote:

I understand the consequences of a no lynch but Two's role is something I don't believe. Claiming to be completely unkillable (Or at least 1 shot unkillable) seems like a convenient excuse to never be lynched the whole game because, when you think about it, he can just keep using the same argument (Ie no lynch is bad, don't lynch me!) every day up to ly-lo. I also find it convenient that he completely latched himself onto the 'lynch will end the day' but that opinion will vary among everyone.
first of all rantai we have 21 players left

second, I don't know what you mean by "latched himself onto the 'lynch will end the day"

wojjan confirmed that it does end the day, if you meant that

otherwise, I assumed from playing ladysuburu's games that unlynchable lynches don't end the day

finally, you're mafia
Rantai
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Rantai
Ok 21 players, but the point stands. It's better that we do it now rather than later where it would hurt more.

And yes I know, everyone against you is mafia.

Edit: English failure
bmin11
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bmin11
It's hard to imagine Two would try to excuse himself from being lynched by saying he's unlynchable, because he did not mind getting lynched when he claimed to be unlynchable. He turned around right after Wojjan said the day will end if we attempt to lynch an unlynchable. Nothing wrong here I think o_o
Rantai
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Rantai
How I saw it was - it was a typical bid to make it look like we'd be wasting our time by lynching him. In the end I feel extremely wary of the claim itself, just doesn't sit right with me.

Also;

Two wrote:

well I assumed it wouldn't end the day

I don't care either way, ultimately
Was that meant to mean that even if it did end the day you didn't care...?
Rantai
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Rantai
How I saw it was - it was a typical bid to make it look like we'd be wasting our time by lynching him, basically giving him a never lynch status which could bite us later if he isn't town.
Two_old
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Two_old

Rantai wrote:

Two wrote:

well I assumed it wouldn't end the day

I don't care either way, ultimately
Was that meant to mean that even if it did end the day you didn't care...?
it was meant to mean I didn't care what was decided

the thing is, I don't have to make a "gambit" to get "never lynch status"

I have that as vanilla

the only thing I need is night kill protection, which I've already secured
Rantai
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Rantai
Mmk, that was confusing me a bit.

Still, I just can't believe an unlynchable vig, let alone a kill proof day vig.
Two_old
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Two_old
your role must suck then
Rantai
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Rantai
It looks fine to me.
Two_old
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Two_old
then I find it hard to believe that you find it hard to believe that I am what I say I am
Rantai
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Rantai
I find it hard to believe that you don't believe that I find it hard to believe that what you say is what you are.

In seriousness, I'm skeptical of the role because it just doesn't seem right. You could attribute it to the fact I've never seen a role like that before.
akrolsmir
606 posts
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akrolsmir
wtf 15 pages in half a day

I believe Two is town mostly on the back of the fact that it was a daykill; that doesn't seem like a scum ability from a flavor or logical standpoint. That said, he's probably not telling the whole truth- for instance, about being lynchproof. I wouldn't be surprised if he's just pretending to be one shot and can actually kill again tomorrow.
pieguyn
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pieguyn
Oh wait, the mafia might have fakeclaims. If that's the case, that means there's no possible way Two could kill a mafia in the first place because their games wouldn't be correct.

Also, you can put anything as a scum ability (for example me and Lilac put a mafia voyeur who actually ended up revealing all the other mafia).

Obviously Two's role is correct because no one else counterclaimed (as far as the vigilante goes, I'm not sure about lynchproof/bulletproof), but I can't really understand how that role would be town in the first place.
bmin11
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bmin11
We could have multiple vigilante. Actually, if Wojjan just confirmed this day vig kill just like any other games, it would have been so much easier and convenient
Salvage
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Salvage
two's role is correct to the point of being vig, that makes perfect sense at guessing roles .. i wouldn't be surprised if he is mafia wich i highly doubt but .. isn't this supposed to be like an awesome different game?.


with that said i don't consider it as an option right now, i don't even think he is lynchproof but lynching him it's useless right now, i'd really like to move on to figure the actual lynch, i'm sticking for adam cause he didn't post a real answer yet, so no forgiveness.



Luna is acting weird too, like trying to stay away from the thread and all-.


and all the lurkers why make it hard for town if you are town .. really.
adam2046
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adam2046
Just re-read the thread. Not a whole lot was actually said in 15 pages.
Only Salvage looks like scum to me right now...because it's Salvage.

As much as Two's roleclaim post seemed out of character to me (very), I wouldn't doubt that he'd kill swiftwolf no matter what allegiance either of them were just because he annoyed him. And I don't think there's any point testing his bulletproof claim since the mafia will target him tonight anyway.

Hey not posters. Post.
Yeah that's right, I can pretend to be town as well, Salvage.
Mashley
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Mashley
Unless I'm mistaken, Swiftwolf had a 'lover'? Does that mean they will die at nightfall or am I on the wrong track with this?
pieguyn
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pieguyn
IIRC he was a Relay Mason. So, he was a mason, not a lover
Mashley
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Mashley
Alright I don't even know what the means, I should read the game the role came from...
akrolsmir
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akrolsmir
Relevant mod (LS) note from Less Experimental Mafia.

Based on Wojjan's description of the role, though, I don't think it's the same here. Rather it seems to be more traditional masons in this game. It shouldn't matter too much given that there were only two masons anyways.
Ivalset
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Ivalset
Let's see:

1) I have doubts that Two is actually a vigilante, mainly due to him claiming he was responsible for the kill after it was made.

2) I don't think the person responsible for Swiftwolf's death is town-aligned. If the massclaim prevention measure is in place to punish massclaiming because it unfairly benefits town, then I would assume that a killing power that is based on knowledge of another player's role would be anti-town.

Vote: LadySuburu
Salvage
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Salvage
^


why would the real vigilante not counterclaim?


why would two take the risk of a counterclaim if he wasn't even near of getting lynched? why would mafia NOT counterclaim vigilante and kind of confirm one of theirs? ..




also i'm not saying two is confirmed town at all, as i said before i wouldn't be surprised if there is a mafia vigilante or something like that, i'm saying that i think he in fact killed Swift, cause it's dumb not to counterclaim that.
Salvage
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Salvage
oh i realize i said the same thing twice, sorry just woke up D:
Chris_old
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Chris_old
I want to lynch Lilac

he's not gonna be back till the 17th anyways

unvote vote Lilac
Two_old
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Two_old
lilac is a good policy lynch but a bad lynch in general

if lilac is mafia we'd get more mafia votes on them than normal since they'd just resign themselves to the fact that they're unsavable

the point is having information to go off of day 2
Chris_old
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Chris_old
how is lynching someone active going to help anything but slow down the game

if he is mafia it's a good thing no matter what

who do you want to lynch though
Two_old
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Two_old
we should kill the person who has contributed the next-least, which is ivalset

he's great if he's the last alive but never posts besides that
Two_old
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Two_old
unless someone else has 0 posts that I didn't notice?
Chris_old
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Chris_old
ivalset posted once

animask hasn't I don't think

akrolsmir posted once?
Two_old
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Two_old
I'm not picky, you decide

I just think our best bet day 1 is to kill a lurker
Chris_old
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Chris_old
well animask is basically dxs as far as activity goes town or mafia

akrolsmir is usually active when they're town though I don't remember them ever being mafia

and now they are inactive~

unvote vote akrolsmir

I would still prefer to lynch Lilac though since he's gonna be gone for so long but whatever

even if he has an aux ability it's not like he'll be able to use it
Chris_old
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Chris_old
ival/jinx/backfire/krzy/luna/mashley/lybydose/lilac/adam/animask/foulcoon


all the possible lynch candidates

either haven't posted at all or have contributed nothing while still posting sometimes to seem active

what do you guys think
Rantai
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Rantai
I think give them at least another 24 hours. There might be some other reason for staying quiet and a few of them have said nothing at all.
Chris_old
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Chris_old

Rantai wrote:

I think give them at least another 24 hours. There might be some other reason for staying quiet and a few of them have said nothing at all.
it's easy to make up something to post when you realize lurkers are being gunned for

but what about the people on that list who did post but didn't contribute anyways

or did you just look at the people in your role pm
Rantai
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Rantai
I just looked at my role pm, it had my name on it.

I speak on behalf of previous games I've played where I've gone on and found that I couldn't post much, except for a few small opinions without repeating what everyone else was saying. The main problem for me though was the thread only moved when I was asleep/at uni so by the time I came back to say something anything relevant was already discussed.

In simple terms I am just more lenient about early game activity because I have had the same problems. Whether you find it acceptable or not is another issue but that is how I feel about it.
Chris_old
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Chris_old
who would you want to have lynched then

out of curiosity
Rantai
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Rantai
As much as you will probably disagree, Two. Just because I find it hard to believe the whole roleclaim.
Two_old
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Two_old

Rantai wrote:

I think give them at least another 24 hours. There might be some other reason for staying quiet and a few of them have said nothing at all.
that defeats the purpose

the idea is that mafia will lay low day 1 since there is the highest risk of aux backlash and overall suspicion against them from posting
Two_old
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Two_old
oh and unvote, vote akrolsmir
Jinxy
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Jinxy
I don't have an excuse, other than my brain just decided to be half-assed today after seeing 13 pages appear while I was asleep, so I can't find anything overly suspicious other than Hitter wanting to confirm Two with a day-ending lynch.

LS's posts about softclaiming were odd, since he never said HOW exactly it was supposed to benefit town and how he could tell a falseclaim, I guess.
Salvage
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Salvage
i'd go with Backfire from all those, but akrol it's good too i guess
Jinxy
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Jinxy
Wait, when does Day end?
Backfire
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Backfire
Im at least trying to keep up, salvage. Im not trying to be suspicious, I just dont want to be falsely accused of being mafia.
0_o
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0_o
Sorry, I've been busy this weekend. Will post my thoughts tonight.
Salvage
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Salvage

Backfire wrote:

Im at least trying to keep up, salvage. Im not trying to be suspicious, I just dont want to be falsely accused of being mafia.


glad to hear that



vote : akrolsmir



currently 4 votes con akro i think.
Sleep Powder
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Joined October 2008
Sleep Powder
If Two is lynch-proof he is probably aligned with town. I thought I heard someone say there isn't a vig in the Werewolf Mafia... anyways
its a 1-shot vig, but a lynch-proof modifier seems kind of unbalanced for that "role". There may be some bad roles mixed in with the good.

I actually agree with NoHiTter. His claims are pretty outrageous and should be tested with a lynch. Rantai also considered his role to be
fake. bmin11 posts about having multiple vigs... I think I'll place a FoS here for now. Reason? I guess its a gut feeling. I'm thinking that multiple vigs are unlikely even in games with 20+ people. Not really sure, so not really suspicious.

@adam, the mafia might not bother if he is a 1-shot vig, but they would rather kill Two if he was onto any mafia members.

Hmm, people are voting for akro? *reads akro's posts and posts about him*

We're voting for inactive people now? Is this the part where all the townies bandwagon on people to find out who the mafia could be?
I actually agree to this sort of thing so...

unvote, Vote: akrolsmir

Who I actually think is suspicious? Unsure.
Luna
2,354 posts
Joined November 2010
Luna
I don't believe Two's full claim. Vig part, okay. Lynch- and bulletproof? Nope. At the very least not permanent. That would be pretty imbalanced since the only way he could be eliminated would be a faction that bypasses bulletproof (SK?). Sure it had the downside of killing him if he listed the wrong game, but Wojjan would have known that it'd be pretty easy to get at least one confirmable softclaim (Swift's behavior with the hinting and everything made it pretty obvious to me that his claim was true). It's just way too much reward for too little risk.
mod: Does this game treat bulletproof status as NK-proof (possibly daykillproof assuming a second dayvig of some kind) or does it literally only mean protection from bullets and different kill-flavors still take effect?
Now, I'm just thinking about what roles Two could possibly have that would allow him to convincingly fakclaim something this strong.
For now I'll just accept that he is probably at least 1-shot lynchproof, risking the lynch by proposing it himself might be a bit too much of a gambit when it was not yet confirmed that a lynchproof-lynch would end the day. Then again, if he is Mafia he might have asked Wojjan via PM/QT before he posted and just waited until someone asked for clarification (this would make pieguy who asked a possible scumbuddy).
The easiest way to fake bulletproof would of course be if he was scum and had some kind of scum-aligned doc or jailkeeper to protect him from possible SK/Town Vigs.
If he is indeed town, I don't see a reasonable way for him to fake both of these attributes at the same time, considering that he already claimed his dayvig ability and would need external help from other PRs to survive. The possibilities here would be that he gained 1-shot or 1-night versions of his claims (still really strong) or that he is pulling a similar gambit to Touhou PyP where he claimed to be NK-proof in order to pull all auxes of him. This would not be quite as strong though, because Wojjan already announced that anti-massclaim measures are in place so we wouldn't be able to analyze the information to the same degree.

This is confusing, after the whole Cultafia-ability stuff I don't even know what to expect in these forums anymore haha
Two_old
620 posts
Joined March 2008
Two_old
I'm actually permanently lynchproof. I promise that no one will ever lynch me.

As for bulletproof, why not try your luck tonight, Luna?
KRZY
Former osu! Champion: OWC#3
4,850 posts
Joined May 2009
KRZY

Two wrote:

krzy I can't understand what you are saying
I am accusing you of faking your vig/lynchproof claim because you know this crowd will not go for a Two lynch. Can't back this up other than saying that's what I make of the whole situation.

Also, does the day have a deadline?
Luna
2,354 posts
Joined November 2010
Luna
I like how everyone who lists you as possible mafia is scum
Two_old
620 posts
Joined March 2008
Two_old
krzy please explain why I would fake that when the crowd would have never lynched me to begin with
Two_old
620 posts
Joined March 2008
Two_old
Luna, that's because this is a game about lying. Just because I say someone is mafia doesn't mean I actually think that. You don't fall under that category though. You really are.
Luna
2,354 posts
Joined November 2010
Luna
If you think so
Two_old
620 posts
Joined March 2008
Two_old
what I think matters more than you think

I can kill you tomorrow if I feel like it
KRZY
Former osu! Champion: OWC#3
4,850 posts
Joined May 2009
KRZY

Two wrote:

krzy please explain why I would fake that when the crowd would have never lynched me to begin with
Works like a dare. "I'm lynchproof, I dare you to lynch me." Makes people reluctant to lynch you, like we're seeing right now.

Also I've never seen a dayvig in the 5-ish Mafia games I played so I don't know what to make of that.
Luna
2,354 posts
Joined November 2010
Luna

Two wrote:

what I think matters more than you think

I can kill you tomorrow if I feel like it
If I were scum I'd most likely have fakeclaimed my game.
You are sure that you could kill me? Well, how are you so sure that I didn't fakeclaim? Are you scum and know I'm town?
Two_old
620 posts
Joined March 2008
Two_old
it doesn't matter what you claimed
Luna
2,354 posts
Joined November 2010
Luna

Two wrote:

it doesn't matter what you claimed
So now you are killproof with unlimited daykills?
Likely
Two_old
620 posts
Joined March 2008
Two_old
it actually is likely, since I'm not town aligned

I'm a lynchproof bulletproof day serial killer

the reason I'm claiming this is because I'd like to work with the town

I actually don't die if I get the game wrong, I get exposed as a serial killer and lose lynchproof for that day

what I offer is an extra lynch in exchange for good information and protection from lynches
Rantai
1,000 posts
Joined July 2010
Rantai
Now that is believable.

Whatever good enough for me right now.
Luna
2,354 posts
Joined November 2010
Luna
Since we can't win with a SK alive, I guess you already know that we will have to lynch you as soon as you miss a gameclaim. Otherwise it'd be game over for us because you'd be unkillable.
Two_old
620 posts
Joined March 2008
Two_old
wrong, you don't have to lynch me at that point

you have to lynch me sometime before the end, but the point of me claiming now is to not be lynched when I miss

I am essentially a vigilante with unlimited kills

I don't think a town member would want to waste that, but you aren't town are you Luna
Rantai
1,000 posts
Joined July 2010
Rantai

Two wrote:

wrong, you don't have to lynch me at that point

you have to lynch me sometime before the end, but the point of me claiming now is to not be lynched when I miss
Problem that I see is that you can just refuse to shoot. Then we will never be able to lynch you. Unless I missed something
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