why did you go along with it if you felt that way0_o wrote:
Keep in mind that the mafia DID get safeclaims. I'm pretty sure we're not gonna be able to figure much out by softclaiming as the mafia has a whole list of roles that won't coincide with any of the town's.
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I think I can see how Two's claim and the death scene matches up, but I won't say it since there is a possibility of mafia gaining from + Two just doesn't want to reveal for good reason I can't think of yet. All I would say is, I'm going to believe Two's claim.
I don't believe 0_o claimed anything?Two wrote:
why did you go along with it if you felt that way0_o wrote:
Keep in mind that the mafia DID get safeclaims. I'm pretty sure we're not gonna be able to figure much out by softclaiming as the mafia has a whole list of roles that won't coincide with any of the town's.
oh, I think I confused him with foulcoon
anyway just for fun this was the role I was going to lie about having:
anyway just for fun this was the role I was going to lie about having:
roleclaim: magic treestump (not my role name)
basically if I carve someone's initials (game name) into myself (and it's correct), I get an ability
odd days: lynchproof and bulletproof
even days: lynchproof
How is that from Werewolf game??? Are you giving out a fake fake roleclaim now
Defending or not defending a gambit does not really influence if one is or is not town.Chris wrote:
also I just want to point out that I think LadySuburu was the only one who actually defended Two's reasoning for wanting a mass softclaim and yet his actual reasoning was only to get a vigilante shot
seems interestingly enough like a perfect opportunity to get confirmed town in two's eyes by acting like they knew what he was talking about
A scum can argue against another scum's plan in thread to distance and look town when it helps them.
A town can argue for a scum's plan when the plan looks like it will benefit town.
and other similar situations.
However, I really don't feel like arguing with you, because it feels like when I argued with two in the past. Not fun, and neither one of us is going to see it the other's way.
At this point though, regardless of two's alignment no more softclaims.
um based on my role, I didn't think other roles were closely tied to their game in functionality
but I guess yours is?
but I guess yours is?
Somewhat. It has a different win condition and ability, but the method is the same. But your role seems far far away from having any connection with Werewolf.Two wrote:
um based on my role, I didn't think other roles were closely tied to their game in functionality
but I guess yours is?
You do realize mafia wouldn't suggest a plan they wouldn't advantage from, nor there will be a townie who would agree on a plan that would hurt town. We clearly stated there's nothing much to gain from the information and the risk of other alignment gaining from it was high. You, however, covered up by saying "it's a necessary risk to take for town". What's funny is now you disclose the plan after Two claiming the plan was just for his benefit and multiple people (Chris, me, and 0_o) disagreed to the plan. You shouldn't have gave up with the plan just because of these reasons since the plan itself does not get influenced from whatever is happening right now. For example, why did you think the plan was okay when only Chris was disagreeing to it and now you think the plan is wrong because others have opposed? There aren't any elements that would effect the outcome of the plan.LadySuburu wrote:
Defending or not defending a gambit does not really influence if one is or is not town.
A scum can argue against another scum's plan in thread to distance and look town when it helps them.
A town can argue for a scum's plan when the plan looks like it will benefit town.
and other similar situations.
However, I really don't feel like arguing with you, because it feels like when I argued with two in the past. Not fun, and neither one of us is going to see it the other's way.
At this point though, regardless of two's alignment no more softclaims.
Vote: LS
I suggest you lynch me for verification and then lynch lilac
lynching ladysuburu would just be a bad move at this point
lynching ladysuburu would just be a bad move at this point
Elements that effect the outcome of the plan:bmin11 wrote:
You do realize mafia wouldn't suggest a plan they wouldn't advantage from, nor there will be a townie who would agree on a plan that would hurt town. We clearly stated there's nothing much to gain from the information and the risk of other alignment gaining from it was high. You, however, covered up by saying "it's a necessary risk to take for town". What's funny is now you disclose the plan after Two claiming the plan was just for his benefit and multiple people (Chris, me, and 0_o) disagreed to the plan. You shouldn't have gave up with the plan just because of these reasons since the plan itself does not get influenced from whatever is happening right now. For example, why did you think the plan was okay when only Chris was disagreeing to it and now you think the plan is wrong because others have opposed? There aren't any elements that would effect the outcome of the plan.
Vote: LS
At least one role has used an action based on a softclaim. Additional softclaims are now likely to hurt the town, in addition to the ones already claimed likely having hurt the town.
The plan did have a benefit, that being that I see certain games that could be claimed as not being used here for multiple reasons.
Also, you're oddly aggressive.
Since I'm about to get skyrim and don't mind getting lynched for speaking everything I'm thinking this time around, I'm going to do so.
Meta: I'm more quiet and withdrawn as scum, except when I get in a safe spot. As town I'm quiet until I have something to work on, which usually doesn't come until at least D2.
Also, I never said "It's a necessary risk to take for town", I stated that I belived we had something to gain from it, and that it was a risk I was willing to take. I also never once told anyone else to softclaim, the only things I've done in relation to the plan is to softclaim myself, and argue with chris.
HoS: bmin.
@two: What would the benefit of lynching you be? I'm not certain if the lynch attempt will end the day or not, and if it does, that's a huge waste.
well I assumed it wouldn't end the day
I don't care either way, ultimately
I don't care either way, ultimately
I just read the thread and what the hell
This seems as insane as Paska mafia, but in a good way. o.o Anyway, I think Chris is suspicious, but it's mostly a gut feeling. I'm also somewhat suspicious of the people who haven't posted anything at all yet.
Two obviously just wanted a vigilante kill, and given my role I'm inclined to believe that roles aren't necessarily from the game they were from. However, that anti-claim measure was to benefit mafia, so I'm not exactly sure what to think. LS stated that it would benefit town, and I can't say I disagree, but I'm a bit cautious especially after seeing what Two did, as the mafia could have something similar...
Chris seemed, however, to constantly misinterpret everyone's posts. I think that's kind of suspicious because the mafia wants to mislead people. I'm also suspicious of bmin because he said that a mafia wouldn't propose a plan that helps town. When I was mafia in Two's game, I essentially did the exact same thing I would have done if I was town, which would include proposing a plan that helps town, though ultimately I lost D7 (but I got a lot farther than I thought I would, it was fun xD).
I'm also suspicious of the people who haven't posted yet. I can immediately point out Ivalset, Lyby, Jinxy, and I forgot if Rantai posted or not
There's probably others I forgot too...
By the way, I'd assume it would end the day but the person with the second-most votes gets lynched instead. mod: If a lynchproof person reaches majority, will that end the day?
This seems as insane as Paska mafia, but in a good way. o.o Anyway, I think Chris is suspicious, but it's mostly a gut feeling. I'm also somewhat suspicious of the people who haven't posted anything at all yet.
Two obviously just wanted a vigilante kill, and given my role I'm inclined to believe that roles aren't necessarily from the game they were from. However, that anti-claim measure was to benefit mafia, so I'm not exactly sure what to think. LS stated that it would benefit town, and I can't say I disagree, but I'm a bit cautious especially after seeing what Two did, as the mafia could have something similar...
Chris seemed, however, to constantly misinterpret everyone's posts. I think that's kind of suspicious because the mafia wants to mislead people. I'm also suspicious of bmin because he said that a mafia wouldn't propose a plan that helps town. When I was mafia in Two's game, I essentially did the exact same thing I would have done if I was town, which would include proposing a plan that helps town, though ultimately I lost D7 (but I got a lot farther than I thought I would, it was fun xD).
I'm also suspicious of the people who haven't posted yet. I can immediately point out Ivalset, Lyby, Jinxy, and I forgot if Rantai posted or not
There's probably others I forgot too...By the way, I'd assume it would end the day but the person with the second-most votes gets lynched instead. mod: If a lynchproof person reaches majority, will that end the day?
Topic Starter
Bringing a lynchproof to majority shall end the day.
an easy strategy in large games as mafia is to just sit back and let everyone tear each other apart
1. Backfire
2. 0_o
3. LadySuburu
4. Ivalset
5. foulcoon
6. Lybydose
7. Salvage
8. JInxyjem
9. Chris
10. pieguy1372
11. bmin11
12. NoHItter
13. adam2046
14. Swiftwolf Yellowtail
15. Rantai
16. KRZY
17. Two
18. Lilac
19. Luna
20. Mashley
21. akrolsmr
22. animask
I've seen mashley lurking all day
@mod
can you edit one of the first posts and do the whole dead/alive thing please
2. 0_o
3. LadySuburu
4. Ivalset
5. foulcoon
6. Lybydose
7. Salvage
8. JInxyjem
9. Chris
10. pieguy1372
11. bmin11
12. NoHItter
13. adam2046
14. Swiftwolf Yellowtail
15. Rantai
16. KRZY
17. Two
18. Lilac
19. Luna
20. Mashley
21. akrolsmr
22. animask
I've seen mashley lurking all day
@mod
can you edit one of the first posts and do the whole dead/alive thing please
Oh wow, it does end the day. Trying to lynch Two would be a bad idea then.
Mashley posted at the start of today but I don't think he's posted after that. If what you said is true, Chris then that would be quite suspicious, maybe even more so than the people who haven't posted
Mashley posted at the start of today but I don't think he's posted after that. If what you said is true, Chris then that would be quite suspicious, maybe even more so than the people who haven't posted
ok i'm not gone yet .. goin in like an hour or so,
HI ADAMMMMMMMMMM
HI ADAMMMMMMMMMM
Uhm o-o
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"Users browsing this forum: adam2046" ..
why so quiet backfire
"Users browsing this forum: adam2046" ..
why so quiet backfire
Working with the plan is the same as agreeing to it and I don't necessarily agree to using meta to justify your action and your innocent. However, I won't denie that Two's action certainly gave us a warning for the plan. The point is however, you never posted of any possible gains from the plan when you were going with Two's plan, but just said "we could possibly gain from it", which looks true since most of the time more info = advantage for town, but you overlooked the possible gain the mafia could have gotten also knowing the Mod hinted it as well. Townie should be a bit more careful with their actions, specially if we are doing something that could result in a bad way.
I learnt looking like a townie only benefits when I was mafia. Doesn't help a penny for scumhunting I realized.LS wrote:
Also, you're oddly aggressive.
vote: Backfire
again, why so quiet backfire? .. i want to point out mashley and adam lurking the hell out of this, reading and leaving too.
and posting useless stuff doesn't count neither just to let it clear, and i'm not asking for plans, just thoughts on the situation ..
i left the ones that didn't post cause it's pretty obvious, just talking to the ones that read and leave.
again, why so quiet backfire? .. i want to point out mashley and adam lurking the hell out of this, reading and leaving too.
and posting useless stuff doesn't count neither just to let it clear, and i'm not asking for plans, just thoughts on the situation ..
i left the ones that didn't post cause it's pretty obvious, just talking to the ones that read and leave.
Why am I quiet? Well
I went to play MW3, and i'm a little busy.
Thats all.
Also Unvote.
I went to play MW3, and i'm a little busy.
Thats all.
Also Unvote.
Sorry for reading the bloody thread before posting.Salvage wrote:
i want to point out mashley and adam lurking the hell out of this, reading and leaving too.
Vote: Pieguy
Gut feeling.
I'll make a real post after I'm done thinking.
Dunno what reason you have to vote me for at the moment, but ok.
I can see where you're coming from.
I usually wait a while before I start posting a lot anyways, so I have material to work with.
I can see where you're coming from.
I usually wait a while before I start posting a lot anyways, so I have material to work with.
Mafia got fakeclaims right?
Therefore I do not think a mass softclaim would help us at all.
What it will do is just expose the games of town, and allow Mafia to guess our roles to some extent.
In fact there could be mafia roles that could benefit their faction by knowing our game.
(See what Two did only imagine a mafia role.)
tl:dr I think softclaiming has more risks than benefits.
Also someone make an ISO list for this game.
Therefore I do not think a mass softclaim would help us at all.
What it will do is just expose the games of town, and allow Mafia to guess our roles to some extent.
In fact there could be mafia roles that could benefit their faction by knowing our game.
(See what Two did only imagine a mafia role.)
tl:dr I think softclaiming has more risks than benefits.
Also someone make an ISO list for this game.
Backfire wrote:
Dunno what reason you have to vote me for at the moment, but ok.
I can see where you're coming from.
I usually wait a while before I start posting a lot anyways, so I have material to work with.
that giving your opinion on the actual situation of the game is better than what you're doing right now (thinking on what to say to don't slip and screw it up for you and your mafia partners for example)
anyways now i'm really going out, back in like 5 or so hours, love you guys.
Thoughts:
I think LS is somewhat suspicious.
The act of saying "Chris is scumpainting me!" more than once is getting suspicious.
It' feels like you're very defensive.
Also regarding Two, I'm willing to lynch him to check his alibi.
Note that Mafia have fakeclaims and that chances are, the only game that he could get from a claim was a townie's game as they have no fakeclaims.
This means that his role would be more helpful to Mafia.
That is unless of course we have a Flavor/Role Cop.
I also felt that his attitude after he claimed was more of a gambit than sincere.
"Damn I shot wrongly. I'm lynch immune though so I can prove it. Vote me."
1) You didn't have to claim Vig. No one knew you were the Vig.
2) If you were town, a lynchproof/bulletproof would be more useful if kept silent about.
I think LS is somewhat suspicious.
The act of saying "Chris is scumpainting me!" more than once is getting suspicious.
It' feels like you're very defensive.
Also regarding Two, I'm willing to lynch him to check his alibi.
Note that Mafia have fakeclaims and that chances are, the only game that he could get from a claim was a townie's game as they have no fakeclaims.
This means that his role would be more helpful to Mafia.
That is unless of course we have a Flavor/Role Cop.
I also felt that his attitude after he claimed was more of a gambit than sincere.
"Damn I shot wrongly. I'm lynch immune though so I can prove it. Vote me."
1) You didn't have to claim Vig. No one knew you were the Vig.
2) If you were town, a lynchproof/bulletproof would be more useful if kept silent about.
I'm no longer for lynching me, and I can guarantee you will have a harder time convincing people to no lynch through lynching me than I will of convincing them to lynch you, nohitter
I would like to see that attempt. In other word, do you have any suspicion for NoHItter right now?
bmin I am disappointed. This way you will forever be taking ESL.bmin11 wrote:
However, I won't denie that Two's action certainly gave us a warning for the plan.
Read the thread. Pretty much agree with NoHitter right now.
I don't know what is the norm for the day ending/continuing if a lynchproof is brought to the majority, but I am guessing that Two weighed his options and thought it was not so much of a risk to take since people will figure out that lynching a lynchproof will prematurely end the day, which is undesired at this point.
orz Is it even necessary to point it out? oTL
asdf 13 pages
Two claiming vig without the need to does sound like one of his gambits, and NH being ok to lynch him despite knowing day will end is rather suspicious to me.
Two claiming vig without the need to does sound like one of his gambits, and NH being ok to lynch him despite knowing day will end is rather suspicious to me.
I'm proposing lynching him to CONFIRM his story.JInxyjem wrote:
Two claiming vig without the need to does sound like one of his gambits, and NH being ok to lynch him despite knowing day will end is rather suspicious to me.
Unless one has prior knowledge/ that person is confirmed town, one cannot believe what he claims just like that.
you are proposing that we no lynch to confirm a fragment of my story
now tell me why we shouldn't lynch you
now tell me why we shouldn't lynch you
Because I don't buy your role claim.
It's one thing to be a Town Vig who can kill using game names. (See my earlier post on why I think this isn't even a town role.)
But it's another to be lynch and kill immune right AFTER you execute your kill.
If we DO lynch you and you die, you're either scum, indy or a horrible town layer.
If we DO lynch you and you don't die, you're telling the truth, and we can trust you somewhat.
The lead you gave us with your claim is currently, in my opinion, better than a possible regular lynch at this moment.
Of course if we get more info/something else happens that gives a better lead, then I'm willing to switch options.
It's one thing to be a Town Vig who can kill using game names. (See my earlier post on why I think this isn't even a town role.)
But it's another to be lynch and kill immune right AFTER you execute your kill.
If we DO lynch you and you die, you're either scum, indy or a horrible town layer.
If we DO lynch you and you don't die, you're telling the truth, and we can trust you somewhat.
The lead you gave us with your claim is currently, in my opinion, better than a possible regular lynch at this moment.
Of course if we get more info/something else happens that gives a better lead, then I'm willing to switch options.
well your supposed opinions are horribly wrong
all me getting lynched and not dying would prove is that I have at least 1 shot lynchproof
you don't know whether or not I actually killed him, or anything else
no lynching is only viable when your numbers are smaller, day 1 no lynch is the worst move town could possibly make as it turns day 2 into an equally useless day
all me getting lynched and not dying would prove is that I have at least 1 shot lynchproof
you don't know whether or not I actually killed him, or anything else
no lynching is only viable when your numbers are smaller, day 1 no lynch is the worst move town could possibly make as it turns day 2 into an equally useless day
I'm doubting there would be a one-shot lynchproof mafia and so does NoHItter I think. If you are really unlynchable, you would be close to confirmed town. However, I agree it isn't a wise move to do on D1. All we will be getting is a near-confirm townie with a possibility of having a lynchproof mafia.
Dear god the pages
About Two;
I understand the consequences of a no lynch but Two's role is something I don't believe. Claiming to be completely unkillable (Or at least 1 shot unkillable) seems like a convenient excuse to never be lynched the whole game because, when you think about it, he can just keep using the same argument (Ie no lynch is bad, don't lynch me!) every day up to ly-lo. I also find it convenient that he completely latched himself onto the 'lynch will end the day' but that opinion will vary among everyone.
To be honest, I'd rather risk the "no lynch" now rather than later because 'we have a cushion of 22 players' because it's entirely possible he is lying.
About Two;
I understand the consequences of a no lynch but Two's role is something I don't believe. Claiming to be completely unkillable (Or at least 1 shot unkillable) seems like a convenient excuse to never be lynched the whole game because, when you think about it, he can just keep using the same argument (Ie no lynch is bad, don't lynch me!) every day up to ly-lo. I also find it convenient that he completely latched himself onto the 'lynch will end the day' but that opinion will vary among everyone.
To be honest, I'd rather risk the "no lynch" now rather than later because 'we have a cushion of 22 players' because it's entirely possible he is lying.
first of all rantai we have 21 players leftRantai wrote:
I understand the consequences of a no lynch but Two's role is something I don't believe. Claiming to be completely unkillable (Or at least 1 shot unkillable) seems like a convenient excuse to never be lynched the whole game because, when you think about it, he can just keep using the same argument (Ie no lynch is bad, don't lynch me!) every day up to ly-lo. I also find it convenient that he completely latched himself onto the 'lynch will end the day' but that opinion will vary among everyone.
second, I don't know what you mean by "latched himself onto the 'lynch will end the day"
wojjan confirmed that it does end the day, if you meant that
otherwise, I assumed from playing ladysuburu's games that unlynchable lynches don't end the day
finally, you're mafia
Ok 21 players, but the point stands. It's better that we do it now rather than later where it would hurt more.
And yes I know, everyone against you is mafia.
Edit: English failure
And yes I know, everyone against you is mafia.
Edit: English failure
It's hard to imagine Two would try to excuse himself from being lynched by saying he's unlynchable, because he did not mind getting lynched when he claimed to be unlynchable. He turned around right after Wojjan said the day will end if we attempt to lynch an unlynchable. Nothing wrong here I think o_o
How I saw it was - it was a typical bid to make it look like we'd be wasting our time by lynching him. In the end I feel extremely wary of the claim itself, just doesn't sit right with me.
Also;
Also;
Was that meant to mean that even if it did end the day you didn't care...?Two wrote:
well I assumed it wouldn't end the day
I don't care either way, ultimately
How I saw it was - it was a typical bid to make it look like we'd be wasting our time by lynching him, basically giving him a never lynch status which could bite us later if he isn't town.
it was meant to mean I didn't care what was decidedRantai wrote:
Was that meant to mean that even if it did end the day you didn't care...?Two wrote:
well I assumed it wouldn't end the day
I don't care either way, ultimately
the thing is, I don't have to make a "gambit" to get "never lynch status"
I have that as vanilla
the only thing I need is night kill protection, which I've already secured
Mmk, that was confusing me a bit.
Still, I just can't believe an unlynchable vig, let alone a kill proof day vig.
Still, I just can't believe an unlynchable vig, let alone a kill proof day vig.
It looks fine to me.
then I find it hard to believe that you find it hard to believe that I am what I say I am
I find it hard to believe that you don't believe that I find it hard to believe that what you say is what you are.
In seriousness, I'm skeptical of the role because it just doesn't seem right. You could attribute it to the fact I've never seen a role like that before.
In seriousness, I'm skeptical of the role because it just doesn't seem right. You could attribute it to the fact I've never seen a role like that before.
I believe Two is town mostly on the back of the fact that it was a daykill; that doesn't seem like a scum ability from a flavor or logical standpoint. That said, he's probably not telling the whole truth- for instance, about being lynchproof. I wouldn't be surprised if he's just pretending to be one shot and can actually kill again tomorrow.
Oh wait, the mafia might have fakeclaims. If that's the case, that means there's no possible way Two could kill a mafia in the first place because their games wouldn't be correct.
Also, you can put anything as a scum ability (for example me and Lilac put a mafia voyeur who actually ended up revealing all the other mafia).
Obviously Two's role is correct because no one else counterclaimed (as far as the vigilante goes, I'm not sure about lynchproof/bulletproof), but I can't really understand how that role would be town in the first place.
Also, you can put anything as a scum ability (for example me and Lilac put a mafia voyeur who actually ended up revealing all the other mafia).
Obviously Two's role is correct because no one else counterclaimed (as far as the vigilante goes, I'm not sure about lynchproof/bulletproof), but I can't really understand how that role would be town in the first place.
We could have multiple vigilante. Actually, if Wojjan just confirmed this day vig kill just like any other games, it would have been so much easier and convenient
two's role is correct to the point of being vig, that makes perfect sense at guessing roles .. i wouldn't be surprised if he is mafia wich i highly doubt but .. isn't this supposed to be like an awesome different game?.
with that said i don't consider it as an option right now, i don't even think he is lynchproof but lynching him it's useless right now, i'd really like to move on to figure the actual lynch, i'm sticking for adam cause he didn't post a real answer yet, so no forgiveness.
Luna is acting weird too, like trying to stay away from the thread and all-.
and all the lurkers why make it hard for town if you are town .. really.
with that said i don't consider it as an option right now, i don't even think he is lynchproof but lynching him it's useless right now, i'd really like to move on to figure the actual lynch, i'm sticking for adam cause he didn't post a real answer yet, so no forgiveness.
Luna is acting weird too, like trying to stay away from the thread and all-.
and all the lurkers why make it hard for town if you are town .. really.
Just re-read the thread. Not a whole lot was actually said in 15 pages.
Only Salvage looks like scum to me right now...because it's Salvage.
As much as Two's roleclaim post seemed out of character to me (very), I wouldn't doubt that he'd kill swiftwolf no matter what allegiance either of them were just because he annoyed him. And I don't think there's any point testing his bulletproof claim since the mafia will target him tonight anyway.
Hey not posters. Post.
Yeah that's right, I canpretend to be town as well, Salvage.
Only Salvage looks like scum to me right now...because it's Salvage.
As much as Two's roleclaim post seemed out of character to me (very), I wouldn't doubt that he'd kill swiftwolf no matter what allegiance either of them were just because he annoyed him. And I don't think there's any point testing his bulletproof claim since the mafia will target him tonight anyway.
Hey not posters. Post.
Yeah that's right, I can
Unless I'm mistaken, Swiftwolf had a 'lover'? Does that mean they will die at nightfall or am I on the wrong track with this?
IIRC he was a Relay Mason. So, he was a mason, not a lover
Alright I don't even know what the means, I should read the game the role came from...
Relevant mod (LS) note from Less Experimental Mafia.
Based on Wojjan's description of the role, though, I don't think it's the same here. Rather it seems to be more traditional masons in this game. It shouldn't matter too much given that there were only two masons anyways.
Based on Wojjan's description of the role, though, I don't think it's the same here. Rather it seems to be more traditional masons in this game. It shouldn't matter too much given that there were only two masons anyways.
Let's see:
1) I have doubts that Two is actually a vigilante, mainly due to him claiming he was responsible for the kill after it was made.
2) I don't think the person responsible for Swiftwolf's death is town-aligned. If the massclaim prevention measure is in place to punish massclaiming because it unfairly benefits town, then I would assume that a killing power that is based on knowledge of another player's role would be anti-town.
Vote: LadySuburu
1) I have doubts that Two is actually a vigilante, mainly due to him claiming he was responsible for the kill after it was made.
2) I don't think the person responsible for Swiftwolf's death is town-aligned. If the massclaim prevention measure is in place to punish massclaiming because it unfairly benefits town, then I would assume that a killing power that is based on knowledge of another player's role would be anti-town.
Vote: LadySuburu
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why would the real vigilante not counterclaim?
why would two take the risk of a counterclaim if he wasn't even near of getting lynched? why would mafia NOT counterclaim vigilante and kind of confirm one of theirs? ..
also i'm not saying two is confirmed town at all, as i said before i wouldn't be surprised if there is a mafia vigilante or something like that, i'm saying that i think he in fact killed Swift, cause it's dumb not to counterclaim that.
why would the real vigilante not counterclaim?
why would two take the risk of a counterclaim if he wasn't even near of getting lynched? why would mafia NOT counterclaim vigilante and kind of confirm one of theirs? ..
also i'm not saying two is confirmed town at all, as i said before i wouldn't be surprised if there is a mafia vigilante or something like that, i'm saying that i think he in fact killed Swift, cause it's dumb not to counterclaim that.
oh i realize i said the same thing twice, sorry just woke up D:
I want to lynch Lilac
he's not gonna be back till the 17th anyways
unvote vote Lilac
he's not gonna be back till the 17th anyways
unvote vote Lilac
lilac is a good policy lynch but a bad lynch in general
if lilac is mafia we'd get more mafia votes on them than normal since they'd just resign themselves to the fact that they're unsavable
the point is having information to go off of day 2
if lilac is mafia we'd get more mafia votes on them than normal since they'd just resign themselves to the fact that they're unsavable
the point is having information to go off of day 2
how is lynching someone active going to help anything but slow down the game
if he is mafia it's a good thing no matter what
who do you want to lynch though
if he is mafia it's a good thing no matter what
who do you want to lynch though
we should kill the person who has contributed the next-least, which is ivalset
he's great if he's the last alive but never posts besides that
he's great if he's the last alive but never posts besides that
ivalset posted once
animask hasn't I don't think
akrolsmir posted once?
animask hasn't I don't think
akrolsmir posted once?
I'm not picky, you decide
I just think our best bet day 1 is to kill a lurker
I just think our best bet day 1 is to kill a lurker
well animask is basically dxs as far as activity goes town or mafia
akrolsmir is usually active when they're town though I don't remember them ever being mafia
and now they are inactive~
unvote vote akrolsmir
I would still prefer to lynch Lilac though since he's gonna be gone for so long but whatever
even if he has an aux ability it's not like he'll be able to use it
akrolsmir is usually active when they're town though I don't remember them ever being mafia
and now they are inactive~
unvote vote akrolsmir
I would still prefer to lynch Lilac though since he's gonna be gone for so long but whatever
even if he has an aux ability it's not like he'll be able to use it
ival/jinx/backfire/krzy/luna/mashley/lybydose/lilac/adam/animask/foulcoon
all the possible lynch candidates
either haven't posted at all or have contributed nothing while still posting sometimes to seem active
what do you guys think
all the possible lynch candidates
either haven't posted at all or have contributed nothing while still posting sometimes to seem active
what do you guys think
I think give them at least another 24 hours. There might be some other reason for staying quiet and a few of them have said nothing at all.
it's easy to make up something to post when you realize lurkers are being gunned forRantai wrote:
I think give them at least another 24 hours. There might be some other reason for staying quiet and a few of them have said nothing at all.
but what about the people on that list who did post but didn't contribute anyways
or did you just look at the people in your role pm
I just looked at my role pm, it had my name on it.
I speak on behalf of previous games I've played where I've gone on and found that I couldn't post much, except for a few small opinions without repeating what everyone else was saying. The main problem for me though was the thread only moved when I was asleep/at uni so by the time I came back to say something anything relevant was already discussed.
In simple terms I am just more lenient about early game activity because I have had the same problems. Whether you find it acceptable or not is another issue but that is how I feel about it.
I speak on behalf of previous games I've played where I've gone on and found that I couldn't post much, except for a few small opinions without repeating what everyone else was saying. The main problem for me though was the thread only moved when I was asleep/at uni so by the time I came back to say something anything relevant was already discussed.
In simple terms I am just more lenient about early game activity because I have had the same problems. Whether you find it acceptable or not is another issue but that is how I feel about it.
who would you want to have lynched then
out of curiosity
out of curiosity
As much as you will probably disagree, Two. Just because I find it hard to believe the whole roleclaim.
that defeats the purposeRantai wrote:
I think give them at least another 24 hours. There might be some other reason for staying quiet and a few of them have said nothing at all.
the idea is that mafia will lay low day 1 since there is the highest risk of aux backlash and overall suspicion against them from posting
I don't have an excuse, other than my brain just decided to be half-assed today after seeing 13 pages appear while I was asleep, so I can't find anything overly suspicious other than Hitter wanting to confirm Two with a day-ending lynch.
LS's posts about softclaiming were odd, since he never said HOW exactly it was supposed to benefit town and how he could tell a falseclaim, I guess.
LS's posts about softclaiming were odd, since he never said HOW exactly it was supposed to benefit town and how he could tell a falseclaim, I guess.
i'd go with Backfire from all those, but akrol it's good too i guess
Wait, when does Day end?
Im at least trying to keep up, salvage. Im not trying to be suspicious, I just dont want to be falsely accused of being mafia.
Sorry, I've been busy this weekend. Will post my thoughts tonight.
Backfire wrote:
Im at least trying to keep up, salvage. Im not trying to be suspicious, I just dont want to be falsely accused of being mafia.
glad to hear that
vote : akrolsmir
currently 4 votes con akro i think.
If Two is lynch-proof he is probably aligned with town. I thought I heard someone say there isn't a vig in the Werewolf Mafia... anyways
its a 1-shot vig, but a lynch-proof modifier seems kind of unbalanced for that "role". There may be some bad roles mixed in with the good.
I actually agree with NoHiTter. His claims are pretty outrageous and should be tested with a lynch. Rantai also considered his role to be
fake. bmin11 posts about having multiple vigs... I think I'll place a FoS here for now. Reason? I guess its a gut feeling. I'm thinking that multiple vigs are unlikely even in games with 20+ people. Not really sure, so not really suspicious.
@adam, the mafia might not bother if he is a 1-shot vig, but they would rather kill Two if he was onto any mafia members.
Hmm, people are voting for akro? *reads akro's posts and posts about him*
We're voting for inactive people now? Is this the part where all the townies bandwagon on people to find out who the mafia could be?
I actually agree to this sort of thing so...
unvote, Vote: akrolsmir
Who I actually think is suspicious? Unsure.
its a 1-shot vig, but a lynch-proof modifier seems kind of unbalanced for that "role". There may be some bad roles mixed in with the good.
I actually agree with NoHiTter. His claims are pretty outrageous and should be tested with a lynch. Rantai also considered his role to be
fake. bmin11 posts about having multiple vigs... I think I'll place a FoS here for now. Reason? I guess its a gut feeling. I'm thinking that multiple vigs are unlikely even in games with 20+ people. Not really sure, so not really suspicious.
@adam, the mafia might not bother if he is a 1-shot vig, but they would rather kill Two if he was onto any mafia members.
Hmm, people are voting for akro? *reads akro's posts and posts about him*
We're voting for inactive people now? Is this the part where all the townies bandwagon on people to find out who the mafia could be?
I actually agree to this sort of thing so...
unvote, Vote: akrolsmir
Who I actually think is suspicious? Unsure.
I don't believe Two's full claim. Vig part, okay. Lynch- and bulletproof? Nope. At the very least not permanent. That would be pretty imbalanced since the only way he could be eliminated would be a faction that bypasses bulletproof (SK?). Sure it had the downside of killing him if he listed the wrong game, but Wojjan would have known that it'd be pretty easy to get at least one confirmable softclaim (Swift's behavior with the hinting and everything made it pretty obvious to me that his claim was true). It's just way too much reward for too little risk.
mod: Does this game treat bulletproof status as NK-proof (possibly daykillproof assuming a second dayvig of some kind) or does it literally only mean protection from bullets and different kill-flavors still take effect?
Now, I'm just thinking about what roles Two could possibly have that would allow him to convincingly fakclaim something this strong.
For now I'll just accept that he is probably at least 1-shot lynchproof, risking the lynch by proposing it himself might be a bit too much of a gambit when it was not yet confirmed that a lynchproof-lynch would end the day. Then again, if he is Mafia he might have asked Wojjan via PM/QT before he posted and just waited until someone asked for clarification (this would make pieguy who asked a possible scumbuddy).
The easiest way to fake bulletproof would of course be if he was scum and had some kind of scum-aligned doc or jailkeeper to protect him from possible SK/Town Vigs.
If he is indeed town, I don't see a reasonable way for him to fake both of these attributes at the same time, considering that he already claimed his dayvig ability and would need external help from other PRs to survive. The possibilities here would be that he gained 1-shot or 1-night versions of his claims (still really strong) or that he is pulling a similar gambit to Touhou PyP where he claimed to be NK-proof in order to pull all auxes of him. This would not be quite as strong though, because Wojjan already announced that anti-massclaim measures are in place so we wouldn't be able to analyze the information to the same degree.
This is confusing, after the whole Cultafia-ability stuff I don't even know what to expect in these forums anymore haha
mod: Does this game treat bulletproof status as NK-proof (possibly daykillproof assuming a second dayvig of some kind) or does it literally only mean protection from bullets and different kill-flavors still take effect?
Now, I'm just thinking about what roles Two could possibly have that would allow him to convincingly fakclaim something this strong.
For now I'll just accept that he is probably at least 1-shot lynchproof, risking the lynch by proposing it himself might be a bit too much of a gambit when it was not yet confirmed that a lynchproof-lynch would end the day. Then again, if he is Mafia he might have asked Wojjan via PM/QT before he posted and just waited until someone asked for clarification (this would make pieguy who asked a possible scumbuddy).
The easiest way to fake bulletproof would of course be if he was scum and had some kind of scum-aligned doc or jailkeeper to protect him from possible SK/Town Vigs.
If he is indeed town, I don't see a reasonable way for him to fake both of these attributes at the same time, considering that he already claimed his dayvig ability and would need external help from other PRs to survive. The possibilities here would be that he gained 1-shot or 1-night versions of his claims (still really strong) or that he is pulling a similar gambit to Touhou PyP where he claimed to be NK-proof in order to pull all auxes of him. This would not be quite as strong though, because Wojjan already announced that anti-massclaim measures are in place so we wouldn't be able to analyze the information to the same degree.
This is confusing, after the whole Cultafia-ability stuff I don't even know what to expect in these forums anymore haha
I'm actually permanently lynchproof. I promise that no one will ever lynch me.
As for bulletproof, why not try your luck tonight, Luna?
As for bulletproof, why not try your luck tonight, Luna?
I am accusing you of faking your vig/lynchproof claim because you know this crowd will not go for a Two lynch. Can't back this up other than saying that's what I make of the whole situation.Two wrote:
krzy I can't understand what you are saying
Also, does the day have a deadline?
I like how everyone who lists you as possible mafia is scum
krzy please explain why I would fake that when the crowd would have never lynched me to begin with
Luna, that's because this is a game about lying. Just because I say someone is mafia doesn't mean I actually think that. You don't fall under that category though. You really are.
If you think so
what I think matters more than you think
I can kill you tomorrow if I feel like it
I can kill you tomorrow if I feel like it
Works like a dare. "I'm lynchproof, I dare you to lynch me." Makes people reluctant to lynch you, like we're seeing right now.Two wrote:
krzy please explain why I would fake that when the crowd would have never lynched me to begin with
Also I've never seen a dayvig in the 5-ish Mafia games I played so I don't know what to make of that.
If I were scum I'd most likely have fakeclaimed my game.Two wrote:
what I think matters more than you think
I can kill you tomorrow if I feel like it
You are sure that you could kill me? Well, how are you so sure that I didn't fakeclaim? Are you scum and know I'm town?