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Mara
LUNATICMARA, TARGET HIM!

NO, DON'T LISTEN HIM, TARGET THIS GUY!

LUNATICMARA, DESTROY THAT HELICOPTER WITH YOUR BUTT!

AAAAAA
bmin11
We will come to a conclusion soon... hopefully
bmin11
And can you please tell us if you can use your recruitment ability for the night?
Mara
NoHItter has been offline for 11 hours, according to Steam.

Fuck it, I'll just leave PM for him.
Lybydose

LunaticMara wrote:

LUNATICMARA, DESTROY THAT HELICOPTER WITH YOUR BUTT!
you should do that one
Mara

Lybydose wrote:

LunaticMara wrote:

LUNATICMARA, DESTROY THAT HELICOPTER WITH YOUR BUTT!
you should do that one


Also, I just sent that PM.
LadySuburu

pieguy1372 wrote:

IMO, it would be a lot better if we just individually used fishie and LunaticMara to attempt to find some of the unconfirmeds. For that, I propose

Rantai, redirect whoever as long as it's not any of these people. It would be better if you didn't say who so that there's a chance that the mafia shoots themselves.
1: Yeah, and both the mafia and SK can screw with our results.

2. You are another who didn't read the thread well. I'm pretty sure Rantai said they can't redirect mafia kills back onto themselves. Unless you mean one mafia hitting another, in which case that's a grey area and unlikely.
pieguyn
Oh great, I guess you're right. The effing problem is that the mafia or SK could screw with any plan we could come up with, so I tried to come up with a new plan and then completely forgot about the mafia/SK. Also, I meant a mafia hitting a different mafia.

bmin11's plan seems like the best idea, then.
Mara
Yes, I am able to do the chatthing again - If I understood the answer correctly.
Luna

LunaticMara wrote:

Yes, I am able to do the chatthing again - If I understood the answer correctly.
In this case our Super Charger should also keep his ability, despite what he claimed.
LadySuburu

Luna wrote:

In this case our Super Charger should also keep his ability, despite what he claimed.
Tastelike never really answered the question when we told him to ask NoHItter, plus he hasn't really posted much recently anyway, just the one after he posted excusing his absence.

FoS: Taste
Mashley
Hi lynch me please
Vote Mashley
bmin11
Prod: fishie and tastelikecoke. Seriously, if they don't participate, I'm going to vote them and just go for free-for-all action for N4.2
FisHie_old
Why me!? I posted on the last page... :/
bmin11
Oh oops. Anyway, so you are sure that you don't die from hiding behind a scum (mafia/SK)?
FisHie_old
I am pretty sure about that, not 100% though...
bmin11
Have you not yet asked NoHItter?
FisHie_old

Rantai wrote:

Mod: Under the hypothetical situation that a hider exists in a game you host, would a hider die from hiding behind a mafia or SK?
I was lazy and thought that Rantai's message would be enough. Should I also send a PM ?
bmin11
Well atleast you should know for yourself
Mashley
No, seriously, lynch me
pieguyn
inb4Mashey is mafia pretending to be jester
Lybydose
that would make LS mafia too then
pieguyn
I wasn't really serious but it would explain why he found out the full name

Honestly, I'm not sure at all what to do (though I do still want to lynch Luna, but I'm not sure what to do after that). I'd reread the thread but there's 79 effing pages and I'm way too lazy to reread it right now, but just judging by the roles everyone claimed and the way everyone is acting in general, tastelikecoke and akrolsmir seem the most suspicious IMO.
Mara

Mashley wrote:

No, seriously, lynch me
why
Lybydose
unvote; vote: tastelikecoke
Topic Starter
NoHitter
VOTE COUNT:
pieguy1372 (2) - FisHie, bmin11
Luna (1) - pieguy1372
akrolsmir (1) - LadySuburu
FisHie (1) - akrolsmir
Mashley (1) - Mashley
tastelikecoke (1) - Lybydose

Not Voting (5) - LunaticMara, Rantai, foulcoon, Two, tastelikecoke
FisHie_old
I have it (finally) confirmed now, I won't die if I target a mafia.
bmin11
Unvote and Vote: tastelikecoke
FisHie_old
Meh. Unvote & Vote: tastelikecoke.
Prod him too if he doesn't post after a while.
Mara
So, am I targeting Rantai with chatthing next?

Vote: tastelikecoke
Rantai
I think so.

But now I'm confused on who to redirect.
Rantai
Unvote, Vote: tastelikecoke

L-2, for reference
Mara
Wanna cyber?
tastelikecoke
Okay, what happen?
tastelikecoke
I am not a Super Charger guys goddamnit.

I asked NoHitter.
I still have a Charge. Please note I can only release it at night 5, and only night actions can be avoided.
I don't understand the plans though. What, what.

I'm amused about your theories though. I haven't really watched DBZ that much.
bmin11
So fishie hiding and tastelikecoke commuting are out of our option. We are back to square one guys.
bmin11
Unvote just in case we don't hammer it yet
LadySuburu
Taste and Mara's answers from NoHItter differ a bit, and Taste's doesn't sound right to me, not to mention I was already suspicious of him.

Vote: Tastelikecoke

At this point with the current claims we only have one role who can confirm a target, that being Mara. Of course, at the same time Mara could get NKed to screw with our results, so it isn't really reliable.

So, here's what I think should be done for sure:

Fishie - Hide behind Akrolsmir.


Any other actions I'm not sure about, because they can be wifomed heavilly.
FisHie_old
Could try that.
tastelikecoke

LadySuburu wrote:

Taste and Mara's answers from NoHItter differ a bit, and Taste's doesn't sound right to me, not to mention I was already suspicious of him.
What kind of difference perhaps?
LadySuburu

tastelikecoke wrote:

What kind of difference perhaps?
Mara kept his ability, and can use it this night.

You kept your charge, but for some reason can't use it until night 5.
tastelikecoke
Oh wait, My bad. I forgot it's Day 4.2. I mean Night 4.2. So that's why the plans are apparently screwed. I can use my ability Night 4.2.
LadySuburu

tastelikecoke wrote:

Oh wait, My bad. I forgot it's Day 4.2. I mean Night 4.2. So that's why the plans are apparently screwed. I can use my ability Night 4.2.
Why would we need to
Please note I can only release it at night 5

"Please note" it, if it's just on the normal schedule as was planned?

I dunno, it just rubs me the wrong way, and kinda feels like you're trying to correct a slip or something. *shrug*
tastelikecoke
I just thought some people might think I charge my powers at day, since I haven't read the thread thoroughly. I mean, I don't know if people misunderstood or not.
akrolsmir
So we're lynching taste, and Fishie's hiding behind me... I'm fine with that. If it turns out they're both town, we could be at LyLo tomorrow, though.

Anything else, or should I hammer?
Rantai
You won't hammer him.

Call it speculation but that post felt like a - "I'm doing town looking things, don't suspect me" kind of post.
Mashley

akrolsmir wrote:

Anything else, or should I hammer?
No, lynch me instead
foulcoon

Rantai wrote:

You won't hammer him.

Call it speculation but that post felt like a - "I'm doing town looking things, don't suspect me" kind of post.
lol

can i hammer? I've never hammered before and I do honestly find his roleclaim bullshit. Also akro has been scumpainting me since I role-claimed.

Actually yeah,

Vote: tastelikecoke

We've had plenty of time to plan out these "you target him, I target that other guy" plans that the mafia could just as easily thwart. I think its best that people with aux roles just use their best judgement rather than a plan laid out anyways.
LadySuburu

foulcoon wrote:

We've had plenty of time to plan out these "you target him, I target that other guy" plans that the mafia could just as easily thwart. I think its best that people with aux roles just use their best judgement rather than a plan laid out anyways.
Except the whole Fishie and akrols thing. That should be done regardless.
Topic Starter
NoHitter
VOTE COUNT:
tastelikecoke (6) - Lybydose, LunaticMara, FisHie, Rantai, LadySuburu , foulcoon
Luna (1) - pieguy1372
FisHie (1) - akrolsmir
Mashley (1) - Mashley

Not Voting (3) - Luna, tastelikecoke, bmin11
bmin11
I want to bring Lyby's point again before lynching tastelikecoke.

Lybydose wrote:

I'm leaning towards Rolled/Two/Luna being the SK and the janitor being mafia. Here's my theory:

Rolled killed Salvage N1 and quickly claimed some vigilante type role. Vigilante is the easiest role to "get away with claiming" as an SK because you can generally prove it. In this case it's extra clever because he said he can't use his kills any more. This makes the mafia believe he's now the equivalent of a vanilla townie and avoid killing him. Meanwhile, mafia kill was directed at LS and it failed, so no ??????? roles showed up.

Night 2, mafia killed Swiftwolf because lolcop. Meanwhile, Rolled killed no one to perpetuate his role losing the ability to kill and make it look like there's no SK. Or maybe he killed Swiftwolf too and only the mafia kill went through.

Day 3, Two rolls around and suddenly claims the ability to kill, despite Rolled earlier claiming he could no longer do so. Why has everyone completely ignored this part?
And thinking it back, I still don't understand why Rolled/Luna would use his ability (if he ever was a Avenging Gunman) to shoot people on N1. LS hasn't done anything practically scummy on D1. How was Rolled so sure by the time? And normally, Avenging Gunman tends to save it's ability until the odd gets better.
foulcoon
Rolled shot Salvage D1, not LS. Salvage was acting like scum / a total tool.
bmin11
Just checked again, and you were right. Disregard my post (again).
pieguyn
Salvage roleclaimed something, there's really no point in shooting him before he gives any results. If his results lead to a contradiction, then it's good to shoot him, but there's no point in not trying it out.

I'm not voting tastelikecoke because I think that Luna is the SK and lynching the SK is more important. However, I do think tastelikecoke is mafia.
akrolsmir
Ask for discussion and get criticized for doing so... jeesh.

Unvote, vote: taste
Rantai
I saw that coming.

Though I should clarify that my post meant - that the vote wouldn't have hammered.
akrolsmir
Oh... then, my bad.

Anything left to add? I still think fishie's most suspicious and agree that Luna's the most likely candidate for SK.
tastelikecoke
So, we're lynching me? I thought everyone voted me because you want me to post.
akrolsmir
Well, there's that and your weak claim, as well as your voting history and lack of general response.

So... last words?
Topic Starter
NoHitter
VOTE COUNT:
tastelikecoke (7) - Lybydose, LunaticMara, FisHie, Rantai, LadySuburu , foulcoon, akrolsmir
Luna (1) - pieguy1372
Mashley (1) - Mashley

Not Voting (3) - Luna, tastelikecoke, bmin11
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Dr. Hitter was visiting the local town to buy some last needed supplies again. He felt like he done this before.
"Lets see... Duct tape, lead pipes, some bottles of wine, a Monopoly board game..."

When he finally finished, he went back to the facility.
There he saw the mob waiting to hang not Rantai but tastelikecoke instead!

"I'm telling you guys! I'm innocent. I can use my ability tonight, but you guys are gonna hang me anyway, so I'm going to fight!"
With that, tastelikecoke died. There was no fancy battle scene or anything.

With that, tastelikecoke's hair turned into a distinct yellow hue.
As he was about to attack though, Dr. Hitter brought out his device and fired.

A wormhole appeared next to tastelikecoke, drew him inside, and promptly dissipated.
Dr. Hitter was glad that his machine worked.

tastelikecoke has been lynched. Alignment will be revealed the next day.

ALL ACTIONS MUST BE SENT IN 48 HOURS TIME.
foulcoon
24 hour nights please
Topic Starter
NoHitter
Dr. Hitter searched tastelikecoke's room last night. There was a device that could tell the power levels of people.
From plot line experiences, Dr. Hitter could tell that tastelikecoke was a bad guy.
tastelikecoke - Dragon Ball Z: Budokai - Scouter - Mafia Rolecop - Lynched Day 4.2

The body of Rantai was also found hanging on a billboard on the outskirts of town.
His role and alignment couldn't be figured out too.
Rantai - ??? - ??? - ??? - Killed Night 4.2

The machine was fully functional now. Dr. Hitter just needed to wait for the opportune time to use it.

IT IS NOW DAY 5.
DEADLINE IS IN SEVEN DAYS.
WITH 10 ALIVE, IT TAKES 6 TO LYNCH.
foulcoon
knew it, most fail roleclaim of all time lol.

judging by the fact that coke was the mafia rolecop i'd say LadySuburu is looking pretty town atm. I'm most suspicious of Luna and akro now.
Rantai
I died 2 deaths. I feel awesome.

Gl guys.
Mara
What's with these ??? ??? ME NO KNOW ROLE SOZ deaths?
foulcoon
I know right? Its bad enough lynched persons roles aren't revealed til day 2. I feel like I got fucked being the doctor in a game where I had to guess every night wtf the lynched person was.
foulcoon
i'm not going to edit that, you know what I meant by day 2, right guys?
Lybydose
Mara what happen
Lybydose
As in did you recruit someone to chat with
foulcoon
is it just me, or do people legit forget to fucking send in their role shit. if i had already role-claimed and sent in a night action, that would be in my first post of the day.
Lybydose
also fishie: who did you hide behind?
Mara
I tried to talk to Rantai, but it failed.

My guess (foulcoon) was also incorrect. My night was a huge failure.
Lybydose
Also this is a list of current players and their claims so I can easily find it without going through 839 pages later:

LunaticMara - Absorber (confirmed)
FisHie - Hider
Luna - Vigilante
Mashley - Jester (confirmed by LS)
pieguy1372 - Bulletproof
foulcoon - Doctor thing
Lybydose - Survivor
akrolsmir - Paranoid Gun Owner
bmin11 - Time Guy (confirmed)
LadySuburu - Coroner (pretty much confirmed)
foulcoon
:( why assume I would be the mafia target when I'm not confirmed town, nor can I really be confirmed town?

Also I didn't really read LS's role as coroner, seeing as he got the role of a person still living in the game. idk if its more of a rolecop or what. Since it seemed like a rolecop-ish type role and tastelikecoke was the mafia rolecop, I trust LS like 99.9% now.
FisHie_old
I hopped on pieguy1372. Nothing happened.
Lybydose
ok then

vote: Luna
foulcoon
Double posting cuz i'm bored at work.


Dead:
12. DeathxShinigami - Super Mario Bros. - Mushroom Giver - Weak Motivator - Lynched Day 1
5. Salvage - Splinter Cell - Spy Infiltrator - Tracker + Watcher - Killed Night 1
13. adam2046 - Mafia - Regretful Mafia - Conditional Saulus - Lynched Day 2
6. Swiftwolf Yellowtail - ??? - ??? - ??? - Killed Night 2
9. Wojjan - Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess - Shadow Realm Master - Mafia Roleblocker - Lynched Day 3
17. KRZY - Pro Evolution Soccer - Team Recruiter - Neighborizer - Killed Night 3
4. Lilac - ??? - ??? - ??? - Killed Night 3
16. tastelikecoke - Dragon Ball Z: Budokai - Scouter - Mafia Rolecop - Lynched Day 4.2
1. Rantai - ??? - ??? - ??? - Killed Night 4.2


from OP ^^^^

Night 1, Salvage was killed supposedly by Rolled as avenging gunman. LadySuburu claimed hit but 1 shot bulletproof. I did not use my protection skills.

Night 2 - Swiftwolf Yellowtail dies, no mafia kill. It is possible since I used my 100% chance protect on Mashley that the mafia had targeted Mash.

Night 3 - KRZY and Lilac both killed, Mafia and SK kills both hit through my 50% protection. Mod clarified the process in which he determined the 50% chance protections to me, and it was obvious that neither of the targets had a successful protection. My PP ran out here, leaving me vanilla town.

Night 4 - No mafia kill? Rantai dies. Alternatively, mafia and SK could have both killed Rantai.


What I dont understand is, if Luna is the SK, why on Night 1 did Salvage's role get revealed. Is it possible that mafia targetted Salvage and Rolled lied and he was the one who targetted LS? Thoughts guys?
Lybydose
@foulcoon:

That assumes the SK is the janitor and the mafia deaths are the revealed ones. It's quite possible that the SK kills are revealed and the mafia has the janitor.
Lybydose
Explanation for most recent night: Rantai likely redirected Luna to fishie, which is why we only see one death. It's unlikely we've dealt with all the mafia, because a game of this size typically has 4 mafia members. We have only lynched 3 so far, and one of them was going to become a townie at some future point, so we've essentially only removed 2 of them so far.
foulcoon

NoHItter wrote:

bmin11 wrote:

Mod: Assuming both SK and Mafia shot the same target, would the target's identity be revealed upon it's death, or not revealed? In other word, which kills take priority on killing result?
Janitor kill takes priority.
Just remembered this. I thought it was odd that NoHItter blatantly told us that theres a Janitor. Then again its possible the SK role is a sort of "Janitor Vig".
Luna
I realize that it's pretty much impossible to prove at this point, but I'm not the SK.
Currently trying to figure out wtf is up with the kill pattern, just wanted to post so you guys can see that I'm not trying to lurk but rather don't exactly know what I can post.
Luna
I just asked NoHItter about priority between my kill and mafia/SK kills.
Rolled assumed that if scum killed Salvage he'd keep his Vig ability. As it turns out, this is wrong. NoHItter told me that the Janitor kill takes priority but the other kills are all the same priority. So Rolled (me) and one of the scum factions (the one without Janitor abilities) could have both targeted Salvage during N1. Still doesn't explain every single night, but it's a step forward at least.
And to confirm this claim (I know it still doesn't prove me as innocent, don't worry):

mod: In the hypothetical situation that more factions with Night Kills existed, is my statement true that every kill has the same priority except for the Janitor kill (which takes priority over the other kills)?
Mara
So FisHie, why didn't you hide behind akrolsmir? Just curious.
LadySuburu
Morning guys.

Rantai
Game: Valkyria Chronicles
Name: Battle Tactician

I'm going to say Fishie is our lynch today. He completely ignored the night action he was told to do of hiding behind Akrols, which means we can't confirm either of them. I'm going out on a limb here, but here's some speculation:

Fishie is a mafia hider. Fishie knows akrols isn't mafia, since they're not on the same team. Therefore, they believe his claim of Paranoid Gun Owner. This would explain why he didn't hide behind akrolsmir as was stated in the plan, as he wouldn't want to get killed via the ability. (Either that, or he's not a hider at all. Still mafia.)

Vote: Fishie

Edit: Ninja'd slightly.
bmin11
While waiting for fishie's respond

I'm more inclined to believe the SK is the one with the Janitor shot now. During N2, the mafia scanned Mashley and NK'd Swiftwolf, while the Janitor SK shot Swiftwolf, thus we only got one death from N2 with no revealing of Swiftwolf's role. It's now also believable that the SK was the one to shoot Mashley on N4.1 since the mafia would have figured Mashley's role. As I wrote before, this would make Lyby and Luna to be highly unlikable to be our Janitor SK. Thus, FoS pieguy, akro
bmin11
That post is under assumption that there's no point of pairing a Janitor and a Role Cop as one team.
pieguyn
FoS FisHie for not following the plan.

@foulcoon: essentially what Lybydose and I thought. It seems like there's really no other possibility.

It doesn't even matter who the Janitor is as long as we have the Coroner. However, at this point it can be either on the mafia or SK side (janitor SK?). However, given that Rolled said he targeted Salvage, I'd assume that the SK kills are revealed and thus the janitor is on the mafia side.

Lybydose's proposition that Rantai redirected Luna to FisHie makes sense, but if that was true it would indicate that FisHie actually was the hider because he didn't die. Too bad we can't effing find out who it was Rantai targeted. There's also the possibility that Luna and FisHie are mafia, but then who would the SK be? That possibility doesn't seem very likely.

I'm not sure why FisHie wouldn't hide behind akrolsmir. I'd assume it'd be because FisHie is mafia and akrolsmir was telling the truth.

So, FisHie and Luna.

We already lynched 3 mafia, there's probably either 1 or 2 remaining. Since there might be 2 (there really were only 4.5 to start with because adam might have swapped back to town) we should lynch the SK. vote Luna
pieguyn
EDIT: "really were" -> "would be"

There's so much to go over I can't even think straight :?
FisHie_old
Now that I think about it, I don't know why I targeted pieguy.
Could be because I kinda forgot that the night had started and I sent my night action just before it ended.

I realize that this looks really suspicious but I can't help it... D:
foulcoon

bmin11 wrote:

During N2, the mafia scanned Mashley and NK'd Swiftwolf, while the Janitor SK shot Swiftwolf, thus we only got one death from N2 with no revealing of Swiftwolf's role.
Am I the only one who doesn't understand how you got this info? Is this an assumption bmin?
akrolsmir
Basically we can now choose between confirmed mafia (fishie) and possible SK (Luna). I'm leaning towards lynching the former, because we don't know what fishie's role actually is. There's been no proof whatsoever that he is a hider whether town or scum, as LS suggested, and claiming to have hidden behind pieguy is an easy fake claim since pieguy definitely would not have been targeted. Fishie could be a good candidate to be the janitor, actually, if the janitor is mafia and there's only 2 of them left.
bmin11

foulcoon wrote:

bmin11 wrote:

During N2, the mafia scanned Mashley and NK'd Swiftwolf, while the Janitor SK shot Swiftwolf, thus we only got one death from N2 with no revealing of Swiftwolf's role.
Am I the only one who doesn't understand how you got this info? Is this an assumption bmin?
Just an assumption, but I believe it somewhat explains the missing deaths
bmin11
Vote: Fishie
Mashley
Vote Mashley lynch me instead
foulcoon

bmin11 wrote:

foulcoon wrote:

Am I the only one who doesn't understand how you got this info? Is this an assumption bmin?
Just an assumption, but I believe it somewhat explains the missing deaths
or the fact that I used my 100% chance protection on Mashley could explain the missing death on N2, just a thought.
bmin11

foulcoon wrote:

or the fact that I used my 100% chance protection on Mashley could explain the missing death on N2, just a thought.
Oh nevermind. I thought you missed your chance that night.
foulcoon
I assumed I did because at that point there was no way for me to know that there was an SK.
Mara

Mashley wrote:

Vote Mashley lynch me instead
Gimme a good reason.
foulcoon
because hes the jester and he wants to win
Mara

foulcoon wrote:

because hes the jester and he wants to win
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