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bmin11
So fishie hiding and tastelikecoke commuting are out of our option. We are back to square one guys.
bmin11
Unvote just in case we don't hammer it yet
LadySuburu
Taste and Mara's answers from NoHItter differ a bit, and Taste's doesn't sound right to me, not to mention I was already suspicious of him.

Vote: Tastelikecoke

At this point with the current claims we only have one role who can confirm a target, that being Mara. Of course, at the same time Mara could get NKed to screw with our results, so it isn't really reliable.

So, here's what I think should be done for sure:

Fishie - Hide behind Akrolsmir.


Any other actions I'm not sure about, because they can be wifomed heavilly.
FisHie_old
Could try that.
tastelikecoke

LadySuburu wrote:

Taste and Mara's answers from NoHItter differ a bit, and Taste's doesn't sound right to me, not to mention I was already suspicious of him.
What kind of difference perhaps?
LadySuburu

tastelikecoke wrote:

What kind of difference perhaps?
Mara kept his ability, and can use it this night.

You kept your charge, but for some reason can't use it until night 5.
tastelikecoke
Oh wait, My bad. I forgot it's Day 4.2. I mean Night 4.2. So that's why the plans are apparently screwed. I can use my ability Night 4.2.
LadySuburu

tastelikecoke wrote:

Oh wait, My bad. I forgot it's Day 4.2. I mean Night 4.2. So that's why the plans are apparently screwed. I can use my ability Night 4.2.
Why would we need to
Please note I can only release it at night 5

"Please note" it, if it's just on the normal schedule as was planned?

I dunno, it just rubs me the wrong way, and kinda feels like you're trying to correct a slip or something. *shrug*
tastelikecoke
I just thought some people might think I charge my powers at day, since I haven't read the thread thoroughly. I mean, I don't know if people misunderstood or not.
akrolsmir
So we're lynching taste, and Fishie's hiding behind me... I'm fine with that. If it turns out they're both town, we could be at LyLo tomorrow, though.

Anything else, or should I hammer?
Rantai
You won't hammer him.

Call it speculation but that post felt like a - "I'm doing town looking things, don't suspect me" kind of post.
Mashley

akrolsmir wrote:

Anything else, or should I hammer?
No, lynch me instead
foulcoon

Rantai wrote:

You won't hammer him.

Call it speculation but that post felt like a - "I'm doing town looking things, don't suspect me" kind of post.
lol

can i hammer? I've never hammered before and I do honestly find his roleclaim bullshit. Also akro has been scumpainting me since I role-claimed.

Actually yeah,

Vote: tastelikecoke

We've had plenty of time to plan out these "you target him, I target that other guy" plans that the mafia could just as easily thwart. I think its best that people with aux roles just use their best judgement rather than a plan laid out anyways.
LadySuburu

foulcoon wrote:

We've had plenty of time to plan out these "you target him, I target that other guy" plans that the mafia could just as easily thwart. I think its best that people with aux roles just use their best judgement rather than a plan laid out anyways.
Except the whole Fishie and akrols thing. That should be done regardless.
Topic Starter
NoHitter
VOTE COUNT:
tastelikecoke (6) - Lybydose, LunaticMara, FisHie, Rantai, LadySuburu , foulcoon
Luna (1) - pieguy1372
FisHie (1) - akrolsmir
Mashley (1) - Mashley

Not Voting (3) - Luna, tastelikecoke, bmin11
bmin11
I want to bring Lyby's point again before lynching tastelikecoke.

Lybydose wrote:

I'm leaning towards Rolled/Two/Luna being the SK and the janitor being mafia. Here's my theory:

Rolled killed Salvage N1 and quickly claimed some vigilante type role. Vigilante is the easiest role to "get away with claiming" as an SK because you can generally prove it. In this case it's extra clever because he said he can't use his kills any more. This makes the mafia believe he's now the equivalent of a vanilla townie and avoid killing him. Meanwhile, mafia kill was directed at LS and it failed, so no ??????? roles showed up.

Night 2, mafia killed Swiftwolf because lolcop. Meanwhile, Rolled killed no one to perpetuate his role losing the ability to kill and make it look like there's no SK. Or maybe he killed Swiftwolf too and only the mafia kill went through.

Day 3, Two rolls around and suddenly claims the ability to kill, despite Rolled earlier claiming he could no longer do so. Why has everyone completely ignored this part?
And thinking it back, I still don't understand why Rolled/Luna would use his ability (if he ever was a Avenging Gunman) to shoot people on N1. LS hasn't done anything practically scummy on D1. How was Rolled so sure by the time? And normally, Avenging Gunman tends to save it's ability until the odd gets better.
foulcoon
Rolled shot Salvage D1, not LS. Salvage was acting like scum / a total tool.
bmin11
Just checked again, and you were right. Disregard my post (again).
pieguyn
Salvage roleclaimed something, there's really no point in shooting him before he gives any results. If his results lead to a contradiction, then it's good to shoot him, but there's no point in not trying it out.

I'm not voting tastelikecoke because I think that Luna is the SK and lynching the SK is more important. However, I do think tastelikecoke is mafia.
akrolsmir
Ask for discussion and get criticized for doing so... jeesh.

Unvote, vote: taste
Rantai
I saw that coming.

Though I should clarify that my post meant - that the vote wouldn't have hammered.
akrolsmir
Oh... then, my bad.

Anything left to add? I still think fishie's most suspicious and agree that Luna's the most likely candidate for SK.
tastelikecoke
So, we're lynching me? I thought everyone voted me because you want me to post.
akrolsmir
Well, there's that and your weak claim, as well as your voting history and lack of general response.

So... last words?
Topic Starter
NoHitter
VOTE COUNT:
tastelikecoke (7) - Lybydose, LunaticMara, FisHie, Rantai, LadySuburu , foulcoon, akrolsmir
Luna (1) - pieguy1372
Mashley (1) - Mashley

Not Voting (3) - Luna, tastelikecoke, bmin11
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Dr. Hitter was visiting the local town to buy some last needed supplies again. He felt like he done this before.
"Lets see... Duct tape, lead pipes, some bottles of wine, a Monopoly board game..."

When he finally finished, he went back to the facility.
There he saw the mob waiting to hang not Rantai but tastelikecoke instead!

"I'm telling you guys! I'm innocent. I can use my ability tonight, but you guys are gonna hang me anyway, so I'm going to fight!"
With that, tastelikecoke died. There was no fancy battle scene or anything.

With that, tastelikecoke's hair turned into a distinct yellow hue.
As he was about to attack though, Dr. Hitter brought out his device and fired.

A wormhole appeared next to tastelikecoke, drew him inside, and promptly dissipated.
Dr. Hitter was glad that his machine worked.

tastelikecoke has been lynched. Alignment will be revealed the next day.

ALL ACTIONS MUST BE SENT IN 48 HOURS TIME.
foulcoon
24 hour nights please
Topic Starter
NoHitter
Dr. Hitter searched tastelikecoke's room last night. There was a device that could tell the power levels of people.
From plot line experiences, Dr. Hitter could tell that tastelikecoke was a bad guy.
tastelikecoke - Dragon Ball Z: Budokai - Scouter - Mafia Rolecop - Lynched Day 4.2

The body of Rantai was also found hanging on a billboard on the outskirts of town.
His role and alignment couldn't be figured out too.
Rantai - ??? - ??? - ??? - Killed Night 4.2

The machine was fully functional now. Dr. Hitter just needed to wait for the opportune time to use it.

IT IS NOW DAY 5.
DEADLINE IS IN SEVEN DAYS.
WITH 10 ALIVE, IT TAKES 6 TO LYNCH.
foulcoon
knew it, most fail roleclaim of all time lol.

judging by the fact that coke was the mafia rolecop i'd say LadySuburu is looking pretty town atm. I'm most suspicious of Luna and akro now.
Rantai
I died 2 deaths. I feel awesome.

Gl guys.
Mara
What's with these ??? ??? ME NO KNOW ROLE SOZ deaths?
foulcoon
I know right? Its bad enough lynched persons roles aren't revealed til day 2. I feel like I got fucked being the doctor in a game where I had to guess every night wtf the lynched person was.
foulcoon
i'm not going to edit that, you know what I meant by day 2, right guys?
Lybydose
Mara what happen
Lybydose
As in did you recruit someone to chat with
foulcoon
is it just me, or do people legit forget to fucking send in their role shit. if i had already role-claimed and sent in a night action, that would be in my first post of the day.
Lybydose
also fishie: who did you hide behind?
Mara
I tried to talk to Rantai, but it failed.

My guess (foulcoon) was also incorrect. My night was a huge failure.
Lybydose
Also this is a list of current players and their claims so I can easily find it without going through 839 pages later:

LunaticMara - Absorber (confirmed)
FisHie - Hider
Luna - Vigilante
Mashley - Jester (confirmed by LS)
pieguy1372 - Bulletproof
foulcoon - Doctor thing
Lybydose - Survivor
akrolsmir - Paranoid Gun Owner
bmin11 - Time Guy (confirmed)
LadySuburu - Coroner (pretty much confirmed)
foulcoon
:( why assume I would be the mafia target when I'm not confirmed town, nor can I really be confirmed town?

Also I didn't really read LS's role as coroner, seeing as he got the role of a person still living in the game. idk if its more of a rolecop or what. Since it seemed like a rolecop-ish type role and tastelikecoke was the mafia rolecop, I trust LS like 99.9% now.
FisHie_old
I hopped on pieguy1372. Nothing happened.
Lybydose
ok then

vote: Luna
foulcoon
Double posting cuz i'm bored at work.


Dead:
12. DeathxShinigami - Super Mario Bros. - Mushroom Giver - Weak Motivator - Lynched Day 1
5. Salvage - Splinter Cell - Spy Infiltrator - Tracker + Watcher - Killed Night 1
13. adam2046 - Mafia - Regretful Mafia - Conditional Saulus - Lynched Day 2
6. Swiftwolf Yellowtail - ??? - ??? - ??? - Killed Night 2
9. Wojjan - Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess - Shadow Realm Master - Mafia Roleblocker - Lynched Day 3
17. KRZY - Pro Evolution Soccer - Team Recruiter - Neighborizer - Killed Night 3
4. Lilac - ??? - ??? - ??? - Killed Night 3
16. tastelikecoke - Dragon Ball Z: Budokai - Scouter - Mafia Rolecop - Lynched Day 4.2
1. Rantai - ??? - ??? - ??? - Killed Night 4.2


from OP ^^^^

Night 1, Salvage was killed supposedly by Rolled as avenging gunman. LadySuburu claimed hit but 1 shot bulletproof. I did not use my protection skills.

Night 2 - Swiftwolf Yellowtail dies, no mafia kill. It is possible since I used my 100% chance protect on Mashley that the mafia had targeted Mash.

Night 3 - KRZY and Lilac both killed, Mafia and SK kills both hit through my 50% protection. Mod clarified the process in which he determined the 50% chance protections to me, and it was obvious that neither of the targets had a successful protection. My PP ran out here, leaving me vanilla town.

Night 4 - No mafia kill? Rantai dies. Alternatively, mafia and SK could have both killed Rantai.


What I dont understand is, if Luna is the SK, why on Night 1 did Salvage's role get revealed. Is it possible that mafia targetted Salvage and Rolled lied and he was the one who targetted LS? Thoughts guys?
Lybydose
@foulcoon:

That assumes the SK is the janitor and the mafia deaths are the revealed ones. It's quite possible that the SK kills are revealed and the mafia has the janitor.
Lybydose
Explanation for most recent night: Rantai likely redirected Luna to fishie, which is why we only see one death. It's unlikely we've dealt with all the mafia, because a game of this size typically has 4 mafia members. We have only lynched 3 so far, and one of them was going to become a townie at some future point, so we've essentially only removed 2 of them so far.
foulcoon

NoHItter wrote:

bmin11 wrote:

Mod: Assuming both SK and Mafia shot the same target, would the target's identity be revealed upon it's death, or not revealed? In other word, which kills take priority on killing result?
Janitor kill takes priority.
Just remembered this. I thought it was odd that NoHItter blatantly told us that theres a Janitor. Then again its possible the SK role is a sort of "Janitor Vig".
Luna
I realize that it's pretty much impossible to prove at this point, but I'm not the SK.
Currently trying to figure out wtf is up with the kill pattern, just wanted to post so you guys can see that I'm not trying to lurk but rather don't exactly know what I can post.
Luna
I just asked NoHItter about priority between my kill and mafia/SK kills.
Rolled assumed that if scum killed Salvage he'd keep his Vig ability. As it turns out, this is wrong. NoHItter told me that the Janitor kill takes priority but the other kills are all the same priority. So Rolled (me) and one of the scum factions (the one without Janitor abilities) could have both targeted Salvage during N1. Still doesn't explain every single night, but it's a step forward at least.
And to confirm this claim (I know it still doesn't prove me as innocent, don't worry):

mod: In the hypothetical situation that more factions with Night Kills existed, is my statement true that every kill has the same priority except for the Janitor kill (which takes priority over the other kills)?
Mara
So FisHie, why didn't you hide behind akrolsmir? Just curious.
LadySuburu
Morning guys.

Rantai
Game: Valkyria Chronicles
Name: Battle Tactician

I'm going to say Fishie is our lynch today. He completely ignored the night action he was told to do of hiding behind Akrols, which means we can't confirm either of them. I'm going out on a limb here, but here's some speculation:

Fishie is a mafia hider. Fishie knows akrols isn't mafia, since they're not on the same team. Therefore, they believe his claim of Paranoid Gun Owner. This would explain why he didn't hide behind akrolsmir as was stated in the plan, as he wouldn't want to get killed via the ability. (Either that, or he's not a hider at all. Still mafia.)

Vote: Fishie

Edit: Ninja'd slightly.
bmin11
While waiting for fishie's respond

I'm more inclined to believe the SK is the one with the Janitor shot now. During N2, the mafia scanned Mashley and NK'd Swiftwolf, while the Janitor SK shot Swiftwolf, thus we only got one death from N2 with no revealing of Swiftwolf's role. It's now also believable that the SK was the one to shoot Mashley on N4.1 since the mafia would have figured Mashley's role. As I wrote before, this would make Lyby and Luna to be highly unlikable to be our Janitor SK. Thus, FoS pieguy, akro
bmin11
That post is under assumption that there's no point of pairing a Janitor and a Role Cop as one team.
pieguyn
FoS FisHie for not following the plan.

@foulcoon: essentially what Lybydose and I thought. It seems like there's really no other possibility.

It doesn't even matter who the Janitor is as long as we have the Coroner. However, at this point it can be either on the mafia or SK side (janitor SK?). However, given that Rolled said he targeted Salvage, I'd assume that the SK kills are revealed and thus the janitor is on the mafia side.

Lybydose's proposition that Rantai redirected Luna to FisHie makes sense, but if that was true it would indicate that FisHie actually was the hider because he didn't die. Too bad we can't effing find out who it was Rantai targeted. There's also the possibility that Luna and FisHie are mafia, but then who would the SK be? That possibility doesn't seem very likely.

I'm not sure why FisHie wouldn't hide behind akrolsmir. I'd assume it'd be because FisHie is mafia and akrolsmir was telling the truth.

So, FisHie and Luna.

We already lynched 3 mafia, there's probably either 1 or 2 remaining. Since there might be 2 (there really were only 4.5 to start with because adam might have swapped back to town) we should lynch the SK. vote Luna
pieguyn
EDIT: "really were" -> "would be"

There's so much to go over I can't even think straight :?
FisHie_old
Now that I think about it, I don't know why I targeted pieguy.
Could be because I kinda forgot that the night had started and I sent my night action just before it ended.

I realize that this looks really suspicious but I can't help it... D:
foulcoon

bmin11 wrote:

During N2, the mafia scanned Mashley and NK'd Swiftwolf, while the Janitor SK shot Swiftwolf, thus we only got one death from N2 with no revealing of Swiftwolf's role.
Am I the only one who doesn't understand how you got this info? Is this an assumption bmin?
akrolsmir
Basically we can now choose between confirmed mafia (fishie) and possible SK (Luna). I'm leaning towards lynching the former, because we don't know what fishie's role actually is. There's been no proof whatsoever that he is a hider whether town or scum, as LS suggested, and claiming to have hidden behind pieguy is an easy fake claim since pieguy definitely would not have been targeted. Fishie could be a good candidate to be the janitor, actually, if the janitor is mafia and there's only 2 of them left.
bmin11

foulcoon wrote:

bmin11 wrote:

During N2, the mafia scanned Mashley and NK'd Swiftwolf, while the Janitor SK shot Swiftwolf, thus we only got one death from N2 with no revealing of Swiftwolf's role.
Am I the only one who doesn't understand how you got this info? Is this an assumption bmin?
Just an assumption, but I believe it somewhat explains the missing deaths
bmin11
Vote: Fishie
Mashley
Vote Mashley lynch me instead
foulcoon

bmin11 wrote:

foulcoon wrote:

Am I the only one who doesn't understand how you got this info? Is this an assumption bmin?
Just an assumption, but I believe it somewhat explains the missing deaths
or the fact that I used my 100% chance protection on Mashley could explain the missing death on N2, just a thought.
bmin11

foulcoon wrote:

or the fact that I used my 100% chance protection on Mashley could explain the missing death on N2, just a thought.
Oh nevermind. I thought you missed your chance that night.
foulcoon
I assumed I did because at that point there was no way for me to know that there was an SK.
Mara

Mashley wrote:

Vote Mashley lynch me instead
Gimme a good reason.
foulcoon
because hes the jester and he wants to win
Mara

foulcoon wrote:

because hes the jester and he wants to win
Mashley

LunaticMara wrote:

Mashley wrote:

Vote Mashley lynch me instead
Gimme a good reason.
Because it's a secret win condition that town can't win without lynching me.
Mara

Mashley wrote:

Because it's a secret win condition that town can't win without lynching me.
LadySuburu
So uh, we just going to sit here with posts contributing nothing towards the game?

If we're not going to talk at all, let's get on with the game.

If we're going to talk, let's talk.
foulcoon
Vote: fishie

are you happy now?
LadySuburu

foulcoon wrote:

Vote: fishie

are you happy now?
A little, I was getting bored :(
FisHie_old
Just lynch me.
I've got some issues irl and I don't think that I can remain active in this game.
akrolsmir

FisHie wrote:

Just lynch me.
I've got some issues irl and I don't think that I can remain active in this game.
... vote: FisHie
pieguyn
unvote, vote Mashley FisHie

FoS Luna because I still think you're SK. :?
Topic Starter
NoHitter
VOTE COUNT:
FisHie (5) - LadySuburu, bmin11, foulcoon, akrolsmir, pieguy1372
Luna (1) - Lybydose
Mashley (1) - Mashley

Not Voting (3) - FisHie, Luna, LunaticMara
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Luna wrote:

mod: In the hypothetical situation that more factions with Night Kills existed, is my statement true that every kill has the same priority except for the Janitor kill (which takes priority over the other kills)?
Yes.
Mara
I don't even believe I am doing this...

I'm sorry FisHie, but you sound too scummy to us.

Vote: FisHie
FisHie_old
(Y)
Topic Starter
NoHitter
VOTE COUNT:
FisHie (6) - LadySuburu, bmin11, foulcoon, akrolsmir, pieguy1372, LunaticMara
Luna (1) - Lybydose
Mashley (1) - Mashley

Not Voting (3) - FisHie, Luna
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Dr. Hitter asked his aide to bring him some food before his soon to be trip.
The aide brought with him what appeared to be frog legs.

'Where did you get this?" asked Dr. Hitter.
"Uhh by the cliff. It was dead when I saw it, so I cooked it. I heard it's popular in France."

"Do you mean the same cliff that they've been throwing the suspected off?"
"Yea. Oh by the way, they lynched FisHie today"

Dr. Hitter decided to ask no more questions, and promptly ate his meal.

FisHie has been lynched. Alignment will be revealed the next day.

ALL ACTIONS MUST BE SENT IN 48 HOURS TIME.
Topic Starter
NoHitter
Dr. Hitter's stomach was unwell. He knew that what he ate yesterday would hurt him.
Now he had to go to the bathroom every couple of minutes.

As he walked through the hallway, he immediately realized he need to go.
He opened the door and walked through what was FisHie's room. There was a Frogger arcade game next to the restroom.
FisHie - Frogger - Obstacle Dodger - Hider - Lynched Day 5

As Dr. Hitter exited the room, he decided to take a look outside.
For once, he saw no fog at all! Relieved by this, he knew that there weren't going to be any more unidentified bodies.

Well, almost. He saw the body of Mashley hanging on a flagpole.
As usual, it was unidentifiable.

But all was not lost, as Dr. Hitter also saw who was responsible for these murders.
As he went back, he had that feeling once again, and decided to barge into the nearest room, which turned out to be LadySuburu's.

He found half of the dead body of LadySuburu sticking out from a TV screen with a bullet through the head.
He pulled on the body and out came the other half from the TV screen.
LadySuburu - Persona 4 - TV Murderer - Janitor Serial Killer + Coroner + Lynchee - Killed Night 5

On his hand were the list of the people he had killed and their roles:
Swiftwolf Yellowtail - L.A. Noire - Old-School Detective - Cop - Killed Night 2
Lilac - Persona 4 - Multi-Persona Lyncher - Jack of All Trades + Lyncher - Killed Night 3
Rantai - Valkyria Chronicles - Battle Tactician - Action Redirector - Killed Night 4.2
Mashley - Big Rigs: Over The Road Racing - Crash Accident - Jester - Killed Night 5
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The opposite side of the facility was quiet.
Standing there was Lybydose, he had a timer on his right hand.
It was slowly counting to zero.

Suddenly, a man dressed in a red jacket arrived.
"So it seems you have survived?"

Lybydose replied, "Yea. I died Night (-1) but it seems that I have survived a week."
"Very well then. As promised you will be fully revived... Or if you want, I could promote you to Angel instead?"

"You mean skip being a Reaper?"
Lybydose was very undecided.
Lybydose - The World Ends With You - Player - Survivor - Won Day 6
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IT IS NOW DAY 6.
WITH 6 ALIVE, IT TAKES 4 TO LYNCH.
DEADLINE IS NOW IN 72 HOURS
Mara
Holy shit dude, I just woke up and when I was quickly checking this - "6 people died during this night" Wait... what?

I need some coffee. Anyways, my guess missed again.
LadySuburu
D-Damn.... This is lame...

Ngh... Oh well...

Our world's gonna dissapear soon, no matter what... I didn't have anywhere to go back to anyways...

Everyone's gonna become shadows...

Heheheh... Urgh!

Go town!
bmin11

LunaticMara wrote:

Holy shit dude, I just woke up and when I was quickly checking this - "6 people died during this night" Wait... what?

I need some coffee. Anyways, my guess missed again.
Mashley and Lilac were originally dead, they were just discovered now that is.

[Obvious] New deads are Mashley, LS, and fishie. Mashley was shot by mafia and LS was shot by the mafia. Fishie was lynched. All clear?



Unconfirmed are foulcoon, akro, Luna, and pieguy. However, I'm willing to believe in foulcoon and Luna to be town, so I suggest akro or pieguy lynch.


gj mafia iluvu
akrolsmir

bmin11 wrote:

gj mafia iluvu
Scumtell? Vote: bmin11 to be safe :D

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Since LS was the Janitor SK, that means that for the kills so far:

Salvage - Killed Night 1 by Luna
LS - Targeted Night 1 by Mafia, but bulletproof
??? - Targeted Night 1 by LS

Swiftwolf Yellowtail - Killed Night 2 by LS
Mashley - Targeted Night 2 by Mafia, but protected by foulcoon

KRZY - Killed Night 3 by Mafia
Lilac - Killed Night 3 by LS

Rantai - Killed Night 4.2 by LS
??? - Targeted Night 4.1 by Mafia

LadySuburu - Killed Night 5 by Mafia
Mashley - Killed Night 5 by LS

I think Luna can also be counted as confirmed, given the number of attempts made Night 1, and foulcoon would be confirmed by protecting Mashley on N2. We're still missing two kills, but...

unvote, vote pieguy
Luna
Wow, this night cleared up a lot!
Will need to re-read a few ISOs before I post my thoughts and vote because I really don't want to remain as useless as I have been so far.
pieguyn
...hahahahaha

So I guess Luna actually wasn't the SK. Sorry Luna :cry:

Anyway, LunaticMara and bmin11 are confirmed town, and at this point I'm going to say Luna is town too. That leaves foulcoon and akrolsmir.

I would be in favor of a no lynch but it seems the game will end at a predefined point. Yes, LS the SK said that but given those stories I'm inclined to believe it.
bmin11
Why no lynch? Are you scared of getting lynched?
pieguyn
Because it's 2-4. If we lynch wrong we lose, so no lynching and letting it go to 2-3 (since the SK died) would improve our odds of hitting a mafia.
Mara
Wait, how does that actually help us? I'm tired at the moment (1AM, played SKYRIM ALL THE TIME HELL YEAH) so I'm sorry if my brains aren't getting something simple.
pieguyn
oh wait, now that I actually think about it, it doesn't because the mafia would just kill a confirmed town

In that case, vote: akrolsmir
Mara
Okay I'm not getting anything at all atm. I'll just go to sleep and read your posts again when my brains are working better.
bmin11

pieguy1372 wrote:

Because it's 2-4. If we lynch wrong we lose, so no lynching and letting it go to 2-3 (since the SK died) would improve our odds of hitting a mafia.
I'm assuming it's 1 vs 5 because they could have easily sealed a hammer whenever someone votes today (which happened multiple times already).
akrolsmir

bmin11 wrote:

I'm assuming it's 1 vs 5 because they could have easily sealed a hammer whenever someone votes today (which happened multiple times already).
Actually, even if there were 2 left, they couldn't have sealed the hammer if the vote was on a mafia, or from a mafia. Which basically just confirms to me that pieguy is scum.
pieguyn
unvote, vote: akrolsmir
unvote, vote: akrolsmir
unvote, vote: akrolsmir
unvote, vote: akrolsmir

Okay, that basically confirms it. akrolsmir, quit pushing for a lynch on me. Your roleclaim just screams out "hey SK or vigilante don't kill me". Looking at your voting histories alone, you were halfway on adam (you didn't care much because he would have switched back), near the start on Rantai who was town, at the end on Wojjan who was mafia, all the way at the end on tastelikecoke the mafia, and halfway on FisHie, which is practially the only non-suspicious final vote. Right now I'm too lazy to search for specific things in your posts, but for me you are far more suspicious than foulcoon. And if there's two mafia, it wouldn't even matter because from my perspective the only ones left are you and foulcoon anyway.

inb4it's foulcoon
bmin11
Hmm I'm interested on the vote history. I'll look into it soon.
bmin11
akrolsmir

pieguy1372 wrote:

Okay, that basically confirms it. akrolsmir, quit pushing for a lynch on me. Your roleclaim just screams out "hey SK or vigilante don't kill me".
... I'm actually at a loss as to how to best deliver the obvious response. Not feeling particularly creative at the moment, I'll go with, "yeah look who's talking". Your own claim of bulletproof does exactly the same thing you accuse me of. Also, OMGUS harder.

Your vote history analysis is easily fabricated, as well:

"You voted early for Town, clearly you're scum"
"You voted halfway for Town, you were trying to ensure his lynch, clearly you're scum"
"You voted late for Town, you were trying to hammer him and end the day, clearly you're scum"

If you like I could spin your voting history into making you look scummy the same way you did mine, but honestly it's probably not worth our time. I'm more interested in hearing what everyone else has to say.
bmin11
My gut is saying pieguy, but I don't really believe in my gut. Never helped me on tests I took.
pieguyn
Nah, my claim of bulletproof doesn't do the same thing because paranoid gun owner kills whoever targets it.

The voting history approach works best when someone votes for a mafia. If they vote later, it's more likely they're mafia because mafia members generally won't start a bandwagon on one of their teammates. It really only works on town members if they're one of the first ones (oh hey, I was the first one on DxS). IMO it's also only really useful to confirm suspicions and not to outright start an accusation :? Regardless, tell me where I said these
"You voted halfway for Town, you were trying to ensure his lynch, clearly you're scum"
"You voted late for Town, you were trying to hammer him and end the day, clearly you're scum
I actually didn't. Seems like you were trying to convince people that I said something I didn't (when I referred to FisHie, I said there wasn't anything suspicious about that final vote).
akrolsmir

pieguy1372 wrote:

Nah, my claim of bulletproof doesn't do the same thing.
...?

pieguy1372 wrote:

Your roleclaim just screams out "hey SK or vigilante don't kill me".
That's exactly the same thing- SK or vigilante would not target someone claimed bulletproof just as they would not target a gun owner. Even if you're pretending not to understand, it's also been implied before, where people grouped the bulletproof claims together (taste, fishie, me, you).

And you missed my point entirely; I was showing you how someone could twist any vote to make it look like the voter was scum.
pieguyn
Except I didn't twist anything. You're acting like my reasoning is invalid because there's a possibility that someone who's not even doing it right can say something that I didn't even say. In other words, I didn't say anything invalid but you're trying to make it seem like I did. And your claim implies a negative action for targeting you (dying) whereas mine implies a neutral one (nothing happening).
pieguyn
It took you 20 minutes to make your last post and it's been 10 minutes since my last post

and you've been in this forum the whole time

It seems like you're taking too long to make up invalid reasoning against me :P
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