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Luna
Oh, Lyby that sly ninja
Lybydose
Explanation of above: I still kind of think Luna is the SK, but if we have Rantai redirect to someone who can't die, we can confirm that Luna is NOT the SK depending on death results. And if the SK's kill is optional and isn't Luna and decides to WIFOM it up by killing no one, then hey, our actions prevented people from dying.
bmin11
I'll catch up to your plan after I come back from sleep @_@. I like how the plan sounds so far
Luna
I am okay with this plan
LadySuburu
Sounds good to me, better than just targeting random people with your abilities anyway.
LadySuburu
So uh... What's the plan guys?

Lyby wrote:

tastelikecoke find out if you still have a charge for tonight.

If so, we do this:

Luna announce a target
Rantai redirect Luna to tastelikecoke
tastelikecoke commute

fishie hide behind Rantai

lynch akrolsmir
Tastelikecoke PM NoHItter on if he has a charge. (Was this ever done?)

Mara find out from NoHItter if he can still recruit for talk. (Need this info.)

If so:

fishie hide behind Rantai?

Rantai redirect Mara to tastelikecoke?

tastelikecoke commute?


Not sure on the specifics, but this is roughly what I've understood is the current plan.
Rantai
I say instead we have Rantai redirect Luna to fishie, who then hides behind someone. Or something similar.
fishie hides behind someone (another unconfirmed?)

I redirect Luna to fishie

Mara to tastelikecoke?

tastelikecoke commutes?

Is what I thought was going on.
Luna
Only problem I currently see after thinking through it:
The real SK could kill my "intended target" and frame both Rantai and me by doing so.
Or is there anything I'm missing?
Rantai
Unless I understand the hider role wrong, fishie can't be killed if I redirect you to him. Likewise, if a SK/mafia shoots him he won't die due to the same reason.
Rantai
Oh unless you mean I somehow fail to redirect you and you 'shoot' the person you're meant to (ie another person shoots).

I guess only a roleblocker could make that happen? Which means it won't happen.

Edit: Added the "Which means it won't happen" >.<
Luna
Yes, but the real SK could kill someone else and then claim that you fakeclaimed your redirection role, letting my SK-kill go through.
Luna
ninja'd
Rantai
I guess it comes down to my honesty. I assure you, I am a redirector.
LadySuburu

Rantai wrote:

I say instead we have Rantai redirect Luna to fishie, who then hides behind someone. Or something similar.
fishie hides behind someone (another unconfirmed?)

I redirect Luna to fishie

Mara to tastelikecoke?

tastelikecoke commutes?

Is what I thought was going on.

fishie hide behind Rantai? (Can be messed with by SK or Mafia sneakiness.)

Rantai redirect Mara to tastelikecoke? (Allows us to confirm that Rantai can redirect, and results from fishie hiding might get us the other info.)

tastelikecoke commute? (Mara shouldn't die unless taste is mafia in this situation.)

VS

fishie hides behind someone (another unconfirmed?) (fishie would have to annouce target, and still can be messed with.)

I redirect Luna to fishie (Kind-of confirms Luna's alignment if successful, but can be messed with in multiple ways.)

Mara to tastelikecoke? (Sounds okay except it can also be messed with.)

tastelikecoke commutes? (No real bonuses here.)



I think in the comparison my strategy is better. Not sure, as I may be missing something.
Luna
Fishie, I'm not sure if you posted it already but do you die is you target scum or only if you target mafia?
Precisely, would you die when targeting SK? I don't want to have false town-confirmations
Mara
Wait, which action you guys want me to do? Chat one (if it still exist, mod isn't online yet) or the guessing one?
LadySuburu

LunaticMara wrote:

Wait, which action you guys want me to do? Chat one (if it still exist, mod isn't online yet) or the guessing one?
Chat, if you can.
FisHie_old
(Stupid quick reply)
Alright.
Nothing was mentioned in the role PM about what would happen to me if I hopped on a mafia/SK target.
I assume that I will not die... But we will see eventually.
Rantai

LadySuburu wrote:

fishie hide behind Rantai? (Can be messed with by SK or Mafia sneakiness.)

Rantai redirect Mara to tastelikecoke? (Allows us to confirm that Rantai can redirect, and results from fishie hiding might get us the other info.)

tastelikecoke commute? (Mara shouldn't die unless taste is mafia in this situation.)

VS

fishie hides behind someone (another unconfirmed?) (fishie would have to annouce target, and still can be messed with.)

I redirect Luna to fishie (Kind-of confirms Luna's alignment if successful, but can be messed with in multiple ways.)

Mara to tastelikecoke? (Sounds okay except it can also be messed with.)

tastelikecoke commutes? (No real bonuses here.)



I think in the comparison my strategy is better. Not sure, as I may be missing something.
Hmm with the first part. If fishie is a hider then both of us could be shot for a 2 in 1 deal, so that'll confirm both of us I guess. Me directing to tastelikecoke makes sense but the problem there is that if Mara is shot then we can't confirm tastelikecoke or myself (wifom to the extreme here).

Honestly I am not sure if either will work the way we (what I percieve to be) intended it to be.
Rantai

FisHie wrote:

(Stupid quick reply)
Alright.
Nothing was mentioned in the role PM about what would happen to me if I hopped on a mafia/SK target.
I assume that I will not die... But we will see eventually.
Mod: Under the hypothetical situation that a hider exists in a game you host, would a hider die from hiding behind a mafia or SK?
LadySuburu

Rantai wrote:

LadySuburu wrote:

fishie hide behind Rantai? (Can be messed with by SK or Mafia sneakiness.)

Rantai redirect Mara to tastelikecoke? (Allows us to confirm that Rantai can redirect, and results from fishie hiding might get us the other info.)

tastelikecoke commute? (Mara shouldn't die unless taste is mafia in this situation.)

VS

fishie hides behind someone (another unconfirmed?) (fishie would have to annouce target, and still can be messed with.)

I redirect Luna to fishie (Kind-of confirms Luna's alignment if successful, but can be messed with in multiple ways.)

Mara to tastelikecoke? (Sounds okay except it can also be messed with.)

tastelikecoke commutes? (No real bonuses here.)



I think in the comparison my strategy is better. Not sure, as I may be missing something.
Hmm with the first part. If fishie is a hider then both of us could be shot for a 2 in 1 deal, so that'll confirm both of us I guess. Me directing to tastelikecoke makes sense but the problem there is that if Mara is shot then we can't confirm tastelikecoke or myself (wifom to the extreme here).

Honestly I am not sure if either will work the way we (what I percieve to be) intended it to be.
Whoops, I did miss something there. More specifically I messed up people. You should be recruited by mara, and Fishie should be the one on taste.
LadySuburu
fishie hide behind X?

Mara target Rantai

Rantai redirect fishie to tastelikecoke

tastelikecoke commute


Something like that.
Rantai
So I don't redirect Mara?

Ninja'd
Rantai
Ok. So now the only open person is Mara, leaving me to be scum painted the next day.

If that's the best we have I guess it'll have to do.
Mara
Do we have plan B, if I won't get my chatterzzz back?
FisHie_old
Wait... Tastelikecoke can commute ? Since when ? D:
FisHie_old
Nvm, I get what you mean now, silly me. Who do I hop on ?
Rantai
tastelikecoke, according to that.
foulcoon

tastelikecoke wrote:

you want role name?
I am a Super Blocker.
I can charge my powers at Night, then at the other night I can unleash my power which will block night actions targeted to me, depending on the situation.

jaqenn picked Dragon Ball Z: Budokai, one of the games more precisely.
Splinter Cell: Conviction Batman: Arkham Asylum being the others.

inb4 tastelikecoke hasn't "charged his powers" yet, which would be hilarious because night 4 would be "every other night".

Also I was looking at the chosen games again and I don't see how that really fits at all.
Rantai

foulcoon wrote:

inb4 tastelikecoke hasn't "charged his powers" yet, which would be hilarious because night 4 would be "every other night".

Also I was looking at the chosen games again and I don't see how that really fits at all.
... that actually is a good point.

It sounds a lot more like a strong kill to me. (DBZ anyone?)

Considering all the immunity roles too.... hmm.
FisHie_old

tastelikecoke wrote:

As for the history:
- Charged N1.
- Released N2. Was not targetted.
- Charged N3.
- Slipped N4. My combo was broken, so I lost the invuln. Was not targetted either.
Not sure if I still have a charge at Night 4.2.
Gonna leave this here.
Rantai
Got to charge for one day then release your powers, obliterating your target to the point that they can't be identified?

Yay theories!
FisHie_old
That would actually make sense, since nobody was NK'd last night, right ??
FisHie_old
Actually, no, that doesn't make sense... Hm.
Rantai
What I was more getting at was - Charge on night 1, kill every other night.

Though it's a stretch and more for the sake of putting it out there.
akrolsmir

LS wrote:

fishie hide behind X?

Mara target Rantai

Rantai redirect fishie to tastelikecoke

tastelikecoke commute
The problem with this is that it doesn't show fishie's alignment- all we have is his word for what happens to him at night. That is, he could say that the mod told him he was unsuccessful at hiding or something, but we would have no verification of that.

LunaticMara wrote:

I guess since KRZY was a recruiter, targeting mafia would get me killed
While you ask if you still have your power, ask to see if this is true as well. KRZY wasn't weak originally, so I'm not sure why you would be now.
LadySuburu

akrolsmir wrote:

The problem with this is that it doesn't show fishie's alignment- all we have is his word for what happens to him at night. That is, he could say that the mod told him he was unsuccessful at hiding or something, but we would have no verification of that.

LunaticMara wrote:

I guess since KRZY was a recruiter, targeting mafia would get me killed
While you ask if you still have your power, ask to see if this is true as well. KRZY wasn't weak originally, so I'm not sure why you would be now.
I'm going to assume that like most hiders, he'll die hiding behind scum.
akrolsmir

LadySuburu wrote:

I'm going to assume that like most hiders, he'll die hiding behind scum.

Fishie wrote:

I don't die if I target a mafia, I think.
More proof he's lying?
LadySuburu

akrolsmir wrote:

Fishie wrote:

I don't die if I target a mafia, I think.
More proof he's lying?
Could be.
bmin11
How about this? This is only when fishie dies from hiding behind a scum.
  • Mara recruits one of the confirmed

    Rantai redirects Mara to one of the unconfirmed (pieguy, fishie, or tastelikecoke). You may call it out before N4.2 starts.

    fishie hides behind Rantai

    tastelikecoke commutes
Possible screw overs assuming Rantai didn't call out his target beforehand
  • 1. Mafia (+ SK) shoot Mara
    Check if fishie is dead or not
    Yes -> Rantai you scum
    No -> Rantai calls out who he redirected to. We lynch the person and if we get a townie lynch, we lynch both fishie and Rantai. We lynch fishie first in this case.

    2. Mafia shoots Mara and SK shoots Rantai + Fishie or vice versa
    Well, shit. Atleast we get two more confirmed I guess.

    3. Mafia (+ SK) shoot Rantai + Fishie
    Well, shit. Atleast we get two more confirmed I guess. Mara may die from this and we can't gather any information from it...
Possible screw overs assuming Rantai did call out his target beforehand
  • 1. Mafia (+ SK) shoot Mara
    Check if fishie is dead or not
    Yes -> Rantai you scum
    No -> We lynch the target Rantai called out. If we get a town lynch, we lynch both fishie and Rantai. We lynch fishie first in this case.

    2. Mafia shoots Mara and SK shoots Rantai + fishie or vice versa
    WIFOM. This may differ depends on Rantai's call.

    3. Mafia (+ SK) shoots Rantai + fishie.
    Same as case 2. If Mara dies, we are in WIFOM again.
bmin11
This is from KRZY's roleclaim post

KRZY wrote:

This is probably because I sent in Pro Evolution Soccer as my first choice. I can choose a player at night and gain day/night talking privileges with that player. If said player is scum, I die.
So I would assume Mara would die if he recruits a scum.

I'm going to wait until fishie vertifies that rather he dies or not from hiding behind a scum. Also, I want to know if Mara can still use his ability.
Rantai
Actually, what if fishie hides behind me and Mara submits a guess instead?

If fishie hides behind me, we're 99% guaranteed to die unless taking a 2 for 1 shot isn't worth it? At least he can grab the redirection off me (somehow I think a confirm confirming a confirm, ie setting up daytalk, isn't the most ideal way to go about it)
Rantai
I just don't want to sacrifice 2 town (possibly 2) for just a bit of piece of mind.
pieguyn
Okay so

Rantai - redirector
fishie - hider
LunaticMara - recruiter
tastelikecoke - commuter

The important thing here is that we confirm the most unconfirmeds. List of unconfirmed people:
-tastelikecoke
-foulcoon
-Rantai
-fishie
-akrolsmir

IMO, it would be a lot better if we just individually used fishie and LunaticMara to attempt to find some of the unconfirmeds. For that, I propose

LunaticMara, target foulcoon
fishie, target tastelikecoke
tastelikecoke, commute
Rantai, redirect whoever as long as it's not any of these people. It would be better if you didn't say who so that there's a chance that the mafia shoots themselves.
bmin11
Vote: pieguy
Mara
LUNATICMARA, TARGET HIM!

NO, DON'T LISTEN HIM, TARGET THIS GUY!

LUNATICMARA, DESTROY THAT HELICOPTER WITH YOUR BUTT!

AAAAAA
bmin11
We will come to a conclusion soon... hopefully
bmin11
And can you please tell us if you can use your recruitment ability for the night?
Mara
NoHItter has been offline for 11 hours, according to Steam.

Fuck it, I'll just leave PM for him.
Lybydose

LunaticMara wrote:

LUNATICMARA, DESTROY THAT HELICOPTER WITH YOUR BUTT!
you should do that one
Mara

Lybydose wrote:

LunaticMara wrote:

LUNATICMARA, DESTROY THAT HELICOPTER WITH YOUR BUTT!
you should do that one


Also, I just sent that PM.
LadySuburu

pieguy1372 wrote:

IMO, it would be a lot better if we just individually used fishie and LunaticMara to attempt to find some of the unconfirmeds. For that, I propose

Rantai, redirect whoever as long as it's not any of these people. It would be better if you didn't say who so that there's a chance that the mafia shoots themselves.
1: Yeah, and both the mafia and SK can screw with our results.

2. You are another who didn't read the thread well. I'm pretty sure Rantai said they can't redirect mafia kills back onto themselves. Unless you mean one mafia hitting another, in which case that's a grey area and unlikely.
pieguyn
Oh great, I guess you're right. The effing problem is that the mafia or SK could screw with any plan we could come up with, so I tried to come up with a new plan and then completely forgot about the mafia/SK. Also, I meant a mafia hitting a different mafia.

bmin11's plan seems like the best idea, then.
Mara
Yes, I am able to do the chatthing again - If I understood the answer correctly.
Luna

LunaticMara wrote:

Yes, I am able to do the chatthing again - If I understood the answer correctly.
In this case our Super Charger should also keep his ability, despite what he claimed.
LadySuburu

Luna wrote:

In this case our Super Charger should also keep his ability, despite what he claimed.
Tastelike never really answered the question when we told him to ask NoHItter, plus he hasn't really posted much recently anyway, just the one after he posted excusing his absence.

FoS: Taste
Mashley
Hi lynch me please
Vote Mashley
bmin11
Prod: fishie and tastelikecoke. Seriously, if they don't participate, I'm going to vote them and just go for free-for-all action for N4.2
FisHie_old
Why me!? I posted on the last page... :/
bmin11
Oh oops. Anyway, so you are sure that you don't die from hiding behind a scum (mafia/SK)?
FisHie_old
I am pretty sure about that, not 100% though...
bmin11
Have you not yet asked NoHItter?
FisHie_old

Rantai wrote:

Mod: Under the hypothetical situation that a hider exists in a game you host, would a hider die from hiding behind a mafia or SK?
I was lazy and thought that Rantai's message would be enough. Should I also send a PM ?
bmin11
Well atleast you should know for yourself
Mashley
No, seriously, lynch me
pieguyn
inb4Mashey is mafia pretending to be jester
Lybydose
that would make LS mafia too then
pieguyn
I wasn't really serious but it would explain why he found out the full name

Honestly, I'm not sure at all what to do (though I do still want to lynch Luna, but I'm not sure what to do after that). I'd reread the thread but there's 79 effing pages and I'm way too lazy to reread it right now, but just judging by the roles everyone claimed and the way everyone is acting in general, tastelikecoke and akrolsmir seem the most suspicious IMO.
Mara

Mashley wrote:

No, seriously, lynch me
why
Lybydose
unvote; vote: tastelikecoke
Topic Starter
NoHitter
VOTE COUNT:
pieguy1372 (2) - FisHie, bmin11
Luna (1) - pieguy1372
akrolsmir (1) - LadySuburu
FisHie (1) - akrolsmir
Mashley (1) - Mashley
tastelikecoke (1) - Lybydose

Not Voting (5) - LunaticMara, Rantai, foulcoon, Two, tastelikecoke
FisHie_old
I have it (finally) confirmed now, I won't die if I target a mafia.
bmin11
Unvote and Vote: tastelikecoke
FisHie_old
Meh. Unvote & Vote: tastelikecoke.
Prod him too if he doesn't post after a while.
Mara
So, am I targeting Rantai with chatthing next?

Vote: tastelikecoke
Rantai
I think so.

But now I'm confused on who to redirect.
Rantai
Unvote, Vote: tastelikecoke

L-2, for reference
Mara
Wanna cyber?
tastelikecoke
Okay, what happen?
tastelikecoke
I am not a Super Charger guys goddamnit.

I asked NoHitter.
I still have a Charge. Please note I can only release it at night 5, and only night actions can be avoided.
I don't understand the plans though. What, what.

I'm amused about your theories though. I haven't really watched DBZ that much.
bmin11
So fishie hiding and tastelikecoke commuting are out of our option. We are back to square one guys.
bmin11
Unvote just in case we don't hammer it yet
LadySuburu
Taste and Mara's answers from NoHItter differ a bit, and Taste's doesn't sound right to me, not to mention I was already suspicious of him.

Vote: Tastelikecoke

At this point with the current claims we only have one role who can confirm a target, that being Mara. Of course, at the same time Mara could get NKed to screw with our results, so it isn't really reliable.

So, here's what I think should be done for sure:

Fishie - Hide behind Akrolsmir.


Any other actions I'm not sure about, because they can be wifomed heavilly.
FisHie_old
Could try that.
tastelikecoke

LadySuburu wrote:

Taste and Mara's answers from NoHItter differ a bit, and Taste's doesn't sound right to me, not to mention I was already suspicious of him.
What kind of difference perhaps?
LadySuburu

tastelikecoke wrote:

What kind of difference perhaps?
Mara kept his ability, and can use it this night.

You kept your charge, but for some reason can't use it until night 5.
tastelikecoke
Oh wait, My bad. I forgot it's Day 4.2. I mean Night 4.2. So that's why the plans are apparently screwed. I can use my ability Night 4.2.
LadySuburu

tastelikecoke wrote:

Oh wait, My bad. I forgot it's Day 4.2. I mean Night 4.2. So that's why the plans are apparently screwed. I can use my ability Night 4.2.
Why would we need to
Please note I can only release it at night 5

"Please note" it, if it's just on the normal schedule as was planned?

I dunno, it just rubs me the wrong way, and kinda feels like you're trying to correct a slip or something. *shrug*
tastelikecoke
I just thought some people might think I charge my powers at day, since I haven't read the thread thoroughly. I mean, I don't know if people misunderstood or not.
akrolsmir
So we're lynching taste, and Fishie's hiding behind me... I'm fine with that. If it turns out they're both town, we could be at LyLo tomorrow, though.

Anything else, or should I hammer?
Rantai
You won't hammer him.

Call it speculation but that post felt like a - "I'm doing town looking things, don't suspect me" kind of post.
Mashley

akrolsmir wrote:

Anything else, or should I hammer?
No, lynch me instead
foulcoon

Rantai wrote:

You won't hammer him.

Call it speculation but that post felt like a - "I'm doing town looking things, don't suspect me" kind of post.
lol

can i hammer? I've never hammered before and I do honestly find his roleclaim bullshit. Also akro has been scumpainting me since I role-claimed.

Actually yeah,

Vote: tastelikecoke

We've had plenty of time to plan out these "you target him, I target that other guy" plans that the mafia could just as easily thwart. I think its best that people with aux roles just use their best judgement rather than a plan laid out anyways.
LadySuburu

foulcoon wrote:

We've had plenty of time to plan out these "you target him, I target that other guy" plans that the mafia could just as easily thwart. I think its best that people with aux roles just use their best judgement rather than a plan laid out anyways.
Except the whole Fishie and akrols thing. That should be done regardless.
Topic Starter
NoHitter
VOTE COUNT:
tastelikecoke (6) - Lybydose, LunaticMara, FisHie, Rantai, LadySuburu , foulcoon
Luna (1) - pieguy1372
FisHie (1) - akrolsmir
Mashley (1) - Mashley

Not Voting (3) - Luna, tastelikecoke, bmin11
bmin11
I want to bring Lyby's point again before lynching tastelikecoke.

Lybydose wrote:

I'm leaning towards Rolled/Two/Luna being the SK and the janitor being mafia. Here's my theory:

Rolled killed Salvage N1 and quickly claimed some vigilante type role. Vigilante is the easiest role to "get away with claiming" as an SK because you can generally prove it. In this case it's extra clever because he said he can't use his kills any more. This makes the mafia believe he's now the equivalent of a vanilla townie and avoid killing him. Meanwhile, mafia kill was directed at LS and it failed, so no ??????? roles showed up.

Night 2, mafia killed Swiftwolf because lolcop. Meanwhile, Rolled killed no one to perpetuate his role losing the ability to kill and make it look like there's no SK. Or maybe he killed Swiftwolf too and only the mafia kill went through.

Day 3, Two rolls around and suddenly claims the ability to kill, despite Rolled earlier claiming he could no longer do so. Why has everyone completely ignored this part?
And thinking it back, I still don't understand why Rolled/Luna would use his ability (if he ever was a Avenging Gunman) to shoot people on N1. LS hasn't done anything practically scummy on D1. How was Rolled so sure by the time? And normally, Avenging Gunman tends to save it's ability until the odd gets better.
foulcoon
Rolled shot Salvage D1, not LS. Salvage was acting like scum / a total tool.
bmin11
Just checked again, and you were right. Disregard my post (again).
pieguyn
Salvage roleclaimed something, there's really no point in shooting him before he gives any results. If his results lead to a contradiction, then it's good to shoot him, but there's no point in not trying it out.

I'm not voting tastelikecoke because I think that Luna is the SK and lynching the SK is more important. However, I do think tastelikecoke is mafia.
akrolsmir
Ask for discussion and get criticized for doing so... jeesh.

Unvote, vote: taste
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