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Micaela Mousiki

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Micaela Mousiki 2011-10-29T20:59:35+00:00

My1 wrote:
as you see, when you wont use kanji, then you can (and if you ask me you should) use spaces coz when you are no natve speaker, it is xTremely hard to figure out where one word ends and where the other begins.

I know about and still using spaces, coz it is easier to read...

Yeah, I usually use kanji in "watashi" or the days of the week, numbers and some other simple things like tree, river, forest, etc.
And I normally use those in a sentence, so yeah ^^

I wonder how do I say " I wish *Insert noun here* " ?

My1_old

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My1_old 2011-10-29T21:01:44+00:00

not sure but you maybe can go around it with the noun "wish"=negai

even if it doesnt seem like it, I DO NOT MEAN ANYTHING THE BAD WAY!

hinamizawan

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hinamizawan 2011-10-29T21:15:24+00:00

I learn by myself, I know higarana and katakana and also all kanji from JLPT 4 to JLPT2. At the moment trying to read all JLPT1's kanji.
I'm such a weeaboo

EDIT: I mean JLPT

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My1_old

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My1_old 2011-10-29T21:17:45+00:00

JLTP??? WTF is that???

even if it doesnt seem like it, I DO NOT MEAN ANYTHING THE BAD WAY!

Daru

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Daru 2011-10-29T21:23:25+00:00

Micaela Mousiki wrote:
Yeah, I usually use kanji in "watashi" or the days of the week, numbers and some other simple things like tree, river, forest, etc.
And I normally use those in a sentence, so yeah ^^

I wonder how do I say " I wish *Insert noun here* " ?

You would generally use the form:
[noun]が欲しい。
lit. want [noun].

「欲しい」is an i-adjective that modifies the noun, meaning "want". However, it's not used as a verb like in English, but as an adjective, so the actual usage is different, and it conjugates as an i-adjective.

You can also use the 「たい」ending for the stem of verbs to communicate desire to do that verb. For example, 「昼ごはんを食べたい」, where I used the 「たい」ending attached to the stem of 「食べる」 to say "I want to eat breakfast" rather than "I eat breakfast". This ending also conjugates.

My1_old

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My1_old 2011-10-29T21:25:03+00:00

can you let me understand it too???

even if it doesnt seem like it, I DO NOT MEAN ANYTHING THE BAD WAY!

Micaela Mousiki

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Micaela Mousiki 2011-10-29T21:28:18+00:00

Daru wrote:
You would generally use the form:
[noun]が欲しい。
lit. want [noun].

「欲しい」is an i-adjective that modifies the noun, meaning "want". However, it's not used as a verb like in English, but as an adjective, so the actual usage is different, and it conjugates as an i-adjective.

You can also use the 「たい」ending for the stem of verbs to communicate desire to do that verb. For example, 「昼ごはんを食べたい」, where I used the 「たい」ending attached to the stem of 「食べる」 to say "I want to eat breakfast" rather than "I eat breakfast". This ending also conjugates.

OK! Thank you very much!

Daru

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Daru 2011-10-29T21:29:13+00:00

My1 wrote:
can you let me understand it too???

Oh, sorry.
Here are the kanji I used:

食べる
たべる/taberu
to eat (v.)

欲しい
ほしい/hoshii
want (adj.)

犬
いぬ/inu
dog (n.)

昼ごはん
ひるごはん/hirugohan
breakfast (n.)

My1_old

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My1_old 2011-10-29T21:33:37+00:00

thx

even if it doesnt seem like it, I DO NOT MEAN ANYTHING THE BAD WAY!

GladiOol

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GladiOol 2011-10-29T21:34:14+00:00

I don't because japanese is silly

peppy wrote:
i still lack a proper understanding of girls
code makes me happier since i understand it

My1_old

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My1_old 2011-10-29T21:35:23+00:00

DO NOT SAY THAT AGAIN!!!

even if it doesnt seem like it, I DO NOT MEAN ANYTHING THE BAD WAY!

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awp 2011-10-29T21:35:56+00:00

Daru wrote:
Oh, sorry.
Here are the kanji I used:

欲しい
ほしい/hoshii
want (adj.)

食べる
たべる/taberu
to eat (v.)

犬
いぬ/inu
dog (n.)

昼ごはん
ひるごはん/hirugohan
breakfast (n.)

I rearranged them to be in grammatical order

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GladiOol

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GladiOol 2011-10-29T21:39:34+00:00

I don't because japanese is silly

peppy wrote:
i still lack a proper understanding of girls
code makes me happier since i understand it

Micaela Mousiki

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Micaela Mousiki 2011-10-29T21:44:12+00:00

GladiOol wrote:
I don't because japanese is silly

LOL, I did expect you to say that again.
(Yummy cake btw)

My1_old

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My1_old 2011-10-29T22:17:41+00:00

JAPANESE IS NOT SILLY, IT IS ONE OF THE COOLES LANGUAGES EVER, SO YOU DON'T DARE SAYING THAT AGAIN!!!

even if it doesnt seem like it, I DO NOT MEAN ANYTHING THE BAD WAY!

GladiOol

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GladiOol 2011-10-29T22:33:10+00:00

I don't because japanese is silly

peppy wrote:
i still lack a proper understanding of girls
code makes me happier since i understand it

mathexpert

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mathexpert 2011-10-29T22:49:35+00:00

ah~ I long for the day I will finally be able to watch anime and read manga without translation.

My1_old

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My1_old 2011-10-29T22:50:38+00:00

I can already do that somehow...
I do that quite often...

even if it doesnt seem like it, I DO NOT MEAN ANYTHING THE BAD WAY!

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Pokebis 2011-10-29T22:54:27+00:00

My1 wrote:
JAPANESE IS NOT SILLY, IT IS ONE OF THE COOLES LANGUAGES EVER, SO YOU DON'T DARE SAYING THAT AGAIN!!!

I cannot tell if you are being serious.

It ends.

My1_old

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My1_old 2011-10-29T22:55:02+00:00

I AM SERIOUS WHEN IT'S ABOUT JAPANESE

even if it doesnt seem like it, I DO NOT MEAN ANYTHING THE BAD WAY!

Micaela Mousiki

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Micaela Mousiki 2011-10-29T23:28:09+00:00

My1 wrote:
JAPANESE IS NOT SILLY, IT IS ONE OF THE COOLES LANGUAGES EVER, SO YOU DON'T DARE SAYING THAT AGAIN!!!

Umm...Calm down? He/She has a reason to think like that. Not good at it, perhaps?

I love when I understand a word or phrase without translation! ^^

mathexpert

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mathexpert 2011-10-29T23:29:51+00:00

My1 wrote:
I AM SERIOUS WHEN IT'S ABOUT JAPANESE

~-->HARDCORE OTAKU WEEABOO<--~

j/k:p

My1_old

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My1_old 2011-10-29T23:30:48+00:00

me too that's one reason why I am learning it, but when anyone even thinks about insulting the japanese language, I cant help but get angry...
@above wtf is otaku???

even if it doesnt seem like it, I DO NOT MEAN ANYTHING THE BAD WAY!

Micaela Mousiki

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Micaela Mousiki 2011-10-29T23:42:18+00:00

My1 wrote:
me too that's one reason why I am learning it, but when anyone even thinks about insulting the japanese language, I cant help but get angry...
@above wtf is otaku???

From what I understand an otaku is a person who is interested in anime, manga, videogames and cosplay.
Some people are proud of it, some people may take it as an offense

My1_old

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My1_old 2011-10-29T23:43:37+00:00

why could that be an offense???

even if it doesnt seem like it, I DO NOT MEAN ANYTHING THE BAD WAY!

hinamizawan

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hinamizawan 2011-10-30T00:15:44+00:00

Calling you weeaboo could be offensive, but only in the interwebz that works. Otherwise if they called you weeaboo IRL they're probably weeaboos too lol

Azure_Kite

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Azure_Kite 2011-10-30T01:05:06+00:00

So, a person outside of Japan watching Anime, reading Manga, and playing JGaems/Listening to JMusic will automagically be a Weeaboo.

If it's a person WITHIN the country, who is Japanese, then they are said to be Otaku, or shut-ins.

Micaela Mousiki

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Micaela Mousiki 2011-10-30T01:45:06+00:00

Azure_Kyte wrote:
So, a person outside of Japan watching Anime, reading Manga, and playing JGaems/Listening to JMusic will automagically be a Weeaboo.

If it's a person WITHIN the country, who is Japanese, then they are said to be Otaku, or shut-ins.

I think a Weeaboo is a person who thinks that japan is the best country ever and won't pay attention unless it has to do with japan.

Reunilu

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Reunilu 2011-10-30T02:03:30+00:00

(When did this become a discussion about otakus and weaboos?)

Japanese I know:

kokoro-heart
higurashi-cicada
inu-dog
neko-cat
baka-idiot (who doesn't know that?)
hakase-professor
sorewa-this is
onii-san/chan-big brother
onee-san/chan-big sister
imouto-sister
yuki-snow
gomen ne/gomen nasai-forgive me/I'm sorry
youkai-demon spirit
tenshi-angel
kawaii-cute
betsu ni-not really/nothing/it's not that
hayaku-hurry/quickly

I still need the use of english subs though, since I'm just learning japanese plus I haven't learned most of the katakana, hiragana, and kanji out there, so if I go on a japanese website (like nico nico douga because some videos are on nico nico douga aren't on youtube)I need Google Translate.

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Ephemeral

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Ephemeral 2011-10-30T02:11:31+00:00

i can read katakana and hiragana and i know a few really common kanji, but i still have issues with sentence structure

Micaela Mousiki

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Micaela Mousiki 2011-10-30T02:25:52+00:00

Ephemeral wrote:
i can read katakana and hiragana and i know a few really common kanji, but i still have issues with sentence structure

Same here xD
I always have to repeat myself "the direct object goes first and then the verb" every time I have to do a sentence.

People tease me by talking to me in a chinese-like speech. And some people always confuses chinese with japanese:
"So, you study chinese?"
"Ummm...It's japanese"
"Meh, it's the same thing"

That's the coversation I usually get when someone finds out about me learning japanese.

Gorlum

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Gorlum 2011-10-30T14:28:24+00:00

I used to learn japanese on university courses, but since my major is korean language, learning both languages on advanced level became a tough deal, so i gave up on learning japanese. Still, i know it on basic level and can read hiragana/katakana and few hundred kanji.

My1_old

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My1_old 2011-10-30T20:08:26+00:00

I think that doing my way is better, coz I met a japanese person yesterday and I could start a talk very good, and there were no prblems, coz I dont think about it very much, coz I have got an instinct for this

even if it doesnt seem like it, I DO NOT MEAN ANYTHING THE BAD WAY!

Ephemeral

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Ephemeral 2011-10-31T02:18:40+00:00

i did japanese 101 for all of ten weeks and can sort of talk in rudiments to some native speakers, so it isn't all that hard to achieve some degree of marginal fluency.

i had a discussion once with a japanese student who was learning english - we spoke for a bit about how english grammar sucks, and how english is pretty hard to learn

Ekaru

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Ekaru 2011-10-31T02:38:57+00:00

Ephemeral wrote:
i had a discussion once with a japanese student who was learning english - we spoke for a bit about how english grammar sucks, and how english is pretty hard to learn

It is, really. We're the only language I can think of where native speakers often have to ask, "Uh, how do you spell that?"

Oh, and though I forgot to mention it months ago, I took the IB AB Initio exam and passed it with a 5. o/ That puts me at either N5 or N4 level. I'm not sure which.

Daru

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Daru 2011-10-31T09:23:14+00:00

Ephemeral wrote:
i had a discussion once with a japanese student who was learning english - we spoke for a bit about how english grammar sucks, and how english is pretty hard to learn

Aye, my Japanese professor went on a tangent during lecture once about the difficult to learn English as a second language compared to learning Japanese.

The number of syllables that can be produced in English is much higher than what can be produced in Japanese, and different combinations of letters are pronounced differently depending on the word. Contrast this to the strict rigidity of the kana "alphabets" and conjugation rules in Japanese, which have a very limited amount of exceptions.

Of course, Kanji is an entirely different beast in and of itself, but even those are relatively systematic compared to English spelling and pronunciation.

I'm so glad that English was my first language.

Mythras

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Mythras 2011-10-31T10:11:24+00:00

うん、日本語が好き
二年前、俺の日本語の勉強が始まった
理由は日本語ゲームとアニメと漫画はすごく面白いぞ＾ー＾

My1_old

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My1_old 2011-10-31T10:14:48+00:00

sou da yo, ore ni manga wa nai kedo, demo ore no nohongo no benkyou wa tabun 3nen mae ni hajimatta yo.

even if it doesnt seem like it, I DO NOT MEAN ANYTHING THE BAD WAY!

Azure_Kite

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Azure_Kite 2011-10-31T11:15:54+00:00

何をそれ、この「の本語」が？

食べるか？

My1_old

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My1_old 2011-10-31T11:30:42+00:00

I cant type kana on this PC so I just use normal letters,...

even if it doesnt seem like it, I DO NOT MEAN ANYTHING THE BAD WAY!

Azure_Kite

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Azure_Kite 2011-10-31T11:31:46+00:00

Still. What is this "Nohongo" thing.

Ephemeral

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Ephemeral 2011-10-31T12:06:31+00:00

Unkind wrote:
うん、日本語が好き
二年前、俺の日本語の勉強が始まった
理由は日本語ゲームとアニメと漫画はすごく面白いぞ＾ー＾

i always thought ぞ was impolite or offensive

at least that's what i was told anyway!

Colin Hou

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Colin Hou 2011-10-31T12:15:06+00:00

so is 俺

Azure_Kite

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Azure_Kite 2011-10-31T12:17:50+00:00

ore is generally used only in very casual environments, it's quite a masculine/informal version of "I". Generally not recommended to be used unless you're quite familiar with the people you're using it with.

Mythras

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Mythras 2011-10-31T12:42:20+00:00

「俺」と「ぞ」は普通の話し方だぞｗ

Edited for various confusions brought on by me being confused by someone's response to another post thinking it was mine. Cleared up.

I don't claim to be amazing at Japanese, but i'm pretty sure there's nothing wrong with what i wrote. This is how i've always talked with japanese friends online. I am aware it isn't that polite, but I wouldn't call it "offensive" at all (look at 俺様 for that). Half the fun of speaking in Japanese is talking in your own way. Have fun.

Basically, Zo is just casual, not always offensive. Ore is casual and masculine, also usually not offensive.

But if you were talking to your boss, girlfriend's parents, the president, or like, i dunno, God, anyone that can fuck you over, you might want to not use them. But you guys aren't any of those things as far as I know.

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Haseo_old

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Haseo_old 2011-10-31T12:44:31+00:00

We got Japanese Class in our school. Got a grading of B.

Daru

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Daru 2011-10-31T18:25:38+00:00

Azure_Kyte wrote:
何をそれ、この「の本語」が？

食べるか？

知らない？の本語は私の一番好きな食べ物だよ。

Zerostarry

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Zerostarry 2011-10-31T18:31:01+00:00

I learned the first few sets of hiragana

... and then i stopped for some reason, got too busy ;_; motivate me to start back up again!

Mythras

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Mythras 2011-10-31T18:33:44+00:00

Zerostarry wrote:
I learned the first few sets of hiragana

... and then i stopped for some reason, got too busy ;_; motivate me to start back up again!

you're lookin at 2 weeks 30 minutes a day at the maximum

Pokebis

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Pokebis 2011-10-31T19:11:25+00:00

I sat down with Hiragana for an hour and then knew it.
Just use this.

It ends.

Azure_Kite

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Azure_Kite 2011-10-31T21:34:11+00:00