animask lurked the thread and then left, even after your post Rantai.
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I'm in a tl;dr mood right now...
(Stop voting for me lol xD)
(Stop voting for me lol xD)
Don't be in that mood now.
Just. Be cool. Tell stuff.
Just. Be cool. Tell stuff.
How about you?
Or even me?
Or maybe even-- *shotgunned*
Or even me?
Or maybe even-- *shotgunned*
so we're 9+ days into the game and you've already said you didn't read day 1, and I guess with this post you are saying you didn't read day 2animask wrote:
I'm in a tl;dr mood right now...
(Stop voting for me lol xD)
thanks for playing
Finished catching up until present day 2 
Things I've taken note of:
Chris – Two (Wojjan, Two, LS, and rust are all town)
Two’s Quara role is weird… (I guess it could be partially true, but I find it hard to believe you’re a watcher because you lied the first time and could have told us earlier, why wait? Actually, why did you tell us in the first place?)
LS – Strager ( took a vote off DxS?)
animask asking to summarize Day 1 (You’re town, no? You need to vote on who YOU think is most suspicious – you shouldn’t be basing your vote on someone else’s analysis until after you’ve considered your own thoughts.) *Scummy/Lazy points*
DxS is likely town/low on my FoS list
Akro is too passive o.O Oh right, fuck meta.
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I disagree with 2 choices since we already a group confirmed town + an idea of who are most likely town. This also means the chances for one of the choices in a X and Y statement being mafia (resulting in a false statement) is high. Of course we might get lucky with 2 choices but I'd rather not risk it/waste time and energy should it come out false. Day lynch + results of 1 choice statement + NK results are plenty enough info.
I also suggest the doctor to protect Chris every night for as long as they can.
Also, anyway to test if Chris is telling the truth about his role? (ignoring watcher results because I don't trust Two XD - Leaning towards town but I can't put my trust in you completely, sorry)
Things I've taken note of:
Chris – Two (Wojjan, Two, LS, and rust are all town)
Two’s Quara role is weird… (I guess it could be partially true, but I find it hard to believe you’re a watcher because you lied the first time and could have told us earlier, why wait? Actually, why did you tell us in the first place?)
LS – Strager ( took a vote off DxS?)
animask asking to summarize Day 1 (You’re town, no? You need to vote on who YOU think is most suspicious – you shouldn’t be basing your vote on someone else’s analysis until after you’ve considered your own thoughts.) *Scummy/Lazy points*
DxS is likely town/low on my FoS list
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"Is X town"Chris wrote:
What would you like me to say to the host N2?
I disagree with 2 choices since we already a group confirmed town + an idea of who are most likely town. This also means the chances for one of the choices in a X and Y statement being mafia (resulting in a false statement) is high. Of course we might get lucky with 2 choices but I'd rather not risk it/waste time and energy should it come out false. Day lynch + results of 1 choice statement + NK results are plenty enough info.
I also suggest the doctor to protect Chris every night for as long as they can.
Also, anyway to test if Chris is telling the truth about his role? (ignoring watcher results because I don't trust Two XD - Leaning towards town but I can't put my trust in you completely, sorry)
you don't trust me yet you "want the doctor to protect chris every night" XD XD XDHaneii wrote:
Also, anyway to test if Chris is telling the truth about his role? (ignoring watcher results because I don't trust Two XD - Leaning towards town but I can't put my trust in you completely, sorry)
if you don't trust me then you also suspect that chris is mafia, and if you suspect chris is mafia then what do you propose he crafted his "confirmed" list from? do you think that he picked 1 mafia to claim as town? all town to claim as town? how about two? would the two mafia be myself and wojjan? if that were the case, you'd have 3 mafia entangled in that, so you see this is a slippery slope
basically I'm calling your post bullshit XD
Wow, that's nearly spot on o.o (except for the specifics. ie: names like you or wojjan). Get out of my head Two :UTwo wrote:
do you think that he picked 1 mafia to claim as town? all town to claim as town? how about two? would the two mafia be myself and wojjan? if that were the case, you'd have 3 mafia entangled in that, so you see this is a slippery slope
Just wary I guess.
It' d be devastating if we put our trust in Chris for the next couple of days only to find out later he was mafia.
there is no reason to suggest that we don't put our trust in him, as it will be evident fairly quickly if he was honest or not
I just don't buy a post from someone who not only kept his vote on a roleclaimed edit:cop*, but says that he thinks the same person is mafia that he tells the doctor to protect
I just don't buy a post from someone who not only kept his vote on a roleclaimed edit:cop*, but says that he thinks the same person is mafia that he tells the doctor to protect
Someone proposed that we lynch Chris if he wasn't NK'ed in a few days. However, with that proposal, the mafia could use WIFOM. 
yeah lets lynch him now I mean it's not like he doesn't have the most overpowered role in the history of mafia games
that couldn't hurt town
that couldn't hurt town
Might not be clear - ^ referring to Two there, not Chris.Haneii wrote:
Leaning towards town but I can't put my trust in you completely, sorry
I trust neither 100%, but I trust Chris as much as I trust everyone else in this game. Two not so much.
you can't have one without the other, why is this hard to grasp
if you trust chris, and chris says he was told xyz are confirmed town, then you should believe xyz are confirmed town
hint: I'm one of those letters
does anyone else think it's shady for him to directly contradict himself in every post?
if you trust chris, and chris says he was told xyz are confirmed town, then you should believe xyz are confirmed town
hint: I'm one of those letters
does anyone else think it's shady for him to directly contradict himself in every post?
I'd still like some kind of confirmation that what he's telling us is legit. With the way things are going it looks like town is willing to depend on him for the most part. Like I said, it would be terrible if he turns up mafia and we've been thinking his statmenst/results were true the whole time @_@ (can you say set back?) + role seems too good to be true. [/pessimism]Two wrote:
if you trust chris, and chris says he was told xyz are confirmed town, then you should believe xyz are confirmed town
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Back to what Chris should ask mod tonight? (I'll still answer to my distrust issues if you'd like to continue Two, but I don't want to waste too much time [Multi-task/topic + I only have a limited time to post so I'd like to get some discussions going while I'm here]
Suggestion: Most suspicious gets day lynched and next suspicious goes up for Chris/Mod detection.
(That was me) In that case we get three more days of information from chris. If he detects wisely then we've pretty much won by then.pieguy1372 wrote:
Someone proposed that we lynch Chris if he wasn't NK'ed in a few days. However, with that proposal, the mafia could use WIFOM.
Don't bother. If we try to set something up he'll know and could tell the truth for that particular investigation. In fact, if he were mafia he'd obviously be feeding us half-truths- if he flipped scum I'd assume at least half of the four he picked out day 1 are really town.Haneii wrote:
I'd still like some kind of confirmation that what he's telling us is legit.
Just lynch him in three days, and mostly trust him until then.
Oh, also this is relatively "passive" just because it's harder to get what's going on when there's so many people. Not to mention lurkers abound.
Hi, home from work (fucking finally).
I don't recommend lynching Chris after 3 days anyways. I feel like hes legit, as Two probably is (aside from obvious lies about his role). If this duo we're the mafia they'd be stupid to make claims like this in the first/second day. Lynching either of them would not be beneficial to town at this point, odds are one of them will probably get NK'd tonight anyways. And as for what Chris should send the mod, I agree the whole single target thing would be good because it would help us plan lynches. Ask the mod if a person you find suspicious is town. I wouldn't be against you asking the mod about me given the fact that Two seems to think I'm mafia for trivial things.
Side Note: are there any restrictions to the questions you can ask, or is everything fair game?
I don't recommend lynching Chris after 3 days anyways. I feel like hes legit, as Two probably is (aside from obvious lies about his role). If this duo we're the mafia they'd be stupid to make claims like this in the first/second day. Lynching either of them would not be beneficial to town at this point, odds are one of them will probably get NK'd tonight anyways. And as for what Chris should send the mod, I agree the whole single target thing would be good because it would help us plan lynches. Ask the mod if a person you find suspicious is town. I wouldn't be against you asking the mod about me given the fact that Two seems to think I'm mafia for trivial things.
Side Note: are there any restrictions to the questions you can ask, or is everything fair game?
I can not ask questions, only make statements. There are no restrictions only anything, and I only get told True/False.foulcoon wrote:
Side Note: are there any restrictions to the questions you can ask, or is everything fair game?
Topic Starter
I'm baaaack
Vote Count
Mashley (1) pieguy
foulcoon (1) Two
animask (1) Rantai
akrolsmir (1) LadySuburu
~52 hours remaining
Vote Count
Mashley (1) pieguy
foulcoon (1) Two
animask (1) Rantai
akrolsmir (1) LadySuburu
~52 hours remaining
ok here is what we need to do: everyone should roleclaim what user their role is
I'll start: quaraezha
I'll start: quaraezha
strager
Update on plan: If we don't get more of a consensus on a lynch, I'm planning on placing my vote on whomever I personally feel is likely to be scum, and stealing that person's vote and doing the same.
Update on plan: If we don't get more of a consensus on a lynch, I'm planning on placing my vote on whomever I personally feel is likely to be scum, and stealing that person's vote and doing the same.
FisHie
Daru
Index-san
so apparently bats aren't mafia since loginer is a bat
well that was a waste of time
well that was a waste of time
Loginer is GMT.
At least now we have something to reference later to catch people lying. The abilities of people should kind of match the flavor, so someone who claimed would have a hard time pretending to be a miller, for example.
BATs are probably still mafia, seeing as no one's claimed to be one yet.
BATs are probably still mafia, seeing as no one's claimed to be one yet.
Shinxyn
He is GMT. All GMTs got that retarded BAT-title for some reason, even though they are GMTs.
Deal with it.
Deal with it.
Mod: Are GMTs included in BAT?
This is a closed setup game.bmin11 wrote:
Mod: Are GMTs included in BAT?
Ivalset
nigga
nigga
Can you mod my map? It's a Touhou map...akrolsmir wrote:
Sakura Hana
...oh wait I'm Index-san. Never mind
Azure_Kyte
And about BATS, it specified that it is a corrupt group of BATS. So it may not include every single one.
And about BATS, it specified that it is a corrupt group of BATS. So it may not include every single one.
Mashley
animask
Lilac
pieguy1372
foulcoon
DeathxShinigami
akrolsmir
Haneii
bmin11
Rantai
LunaticMara
what is everyone's reason for each player above not being mafia
animask
Lilac
pieguy1372
foulcoon
DeathxShinigami
akrolsmir
Haneii
bmin11
Rantai
LunaticMara
what is everyone's reason for each player above not being mafia
Mashley - none. I actually want a replacement for him ("I got new games. Fuck posting")
animask - none. I actually want a replacement for him ("I'm in tl;dr mood")
Lilac - none. Two's point still stands.
pieguy1372 - seems helpful pointing out some possible false with our strategy
foulcoon - role claimed to be a GMT even he was under the rador. Too much WIFOM however...
DeathxShinigami - this was explained for pages. He got lynched on D1 which could have been easily prevented and got silenced D2.
akrolsmir - Similar to pieguy
Haneii - he seems really worried with believing in Chris's claim, which is natural for townie.
bmin11 - ya he's town as shit
Rantai - none
LunaticMara - none. Was rather confusing reading his posts. He doesn't seem to be interested on scum hunting and elaborating his thoughts
I'm having similar difficulty with what akrolsmir is getting. Never really played a big game before and my thoughts aren't really coming through orz
Mod: Replacement request for animask and Mashley
animask - none. I actually want a replacement for him ("I'm in tl;dr mood")
Lilac - none. Two's point still stands.
pieguy1372 - seems helpful pointing out some possible false with our strategy
foulcoon - role claimed to be a GMT even he was under the rador. Too much WIFOM however...
DeathxShinigami - this was explained for pages. He got lynched on D1 which could have been easily prevented and got silenced D2.
akrolsmir - Similar to pieguy
Haneii - he seems really worried with believing in Chris's claim, which is natural for townie.
bmin11 - ya he's town as shit
Rantai - none
LunaticMara - none. Was rather confusing reading his posts. He doesn't seem to be interested on scum hunting and elaborating his thoughts
I'm having similar difficulty with what akrolsmir is getting. Never really played a big game before and my thoughts aren't really coming through orz
Mod: Replacement request for animask and Mashley
I agree with most of what bmin said. I don't really get what you're saying about Mara though.
P.S. Ivalset is not a BAT or GMT. He is a badass though.
P.S. Ivalset is not a BAT or GMT. He is a badass though.
Not even lurking, just on 3G in a building with shit servie typing on my phone.
Topic Starter
Replacements will only be made when a prod is not responded to, or if requested by the player themselves.bmin11 wrote:
Mod: Replacement request for animask and Mashley
Prod: animask and Mashley
Topic Starter
Prods have been sent.bmin11 wrote:
Prod: animask and Mashley
Oh crap, I forgot. We're meant to be roleclaiming, right?
peppy
But, actually, winning at this point is impossible as I'm a lyncher and my win condition is to have LadySuburu (strager) lynched. Which is practically impossible now since they're confirmed town as far as most people are concerned :\ Whatever, go lynch me since I guess I'm technically anti-town.
peppy
But, actually, winning at this point is impossible as I'm a lyncher and my win condition is to have LadySuburu (strager) lynched. Which is practically impossible now since they're confirmed town as far as most people are concerned :\ Whatever, go lynch me since I guess I'm technically anti-town.
Are you expressing complete disinterest, or would you be willing to help town. Does your role confirm LS as strager, or just say that your objective is to kill strager, whoever it may be?
LS is strager, that's confirmed in the PM. I'm willing to help the town (sort of), but I'd imagine I'm classified as an 'anti-town force'.
There's not really a compromise we can make becase LS is town. Its not like we'd be willing to lynch him for you to win. If you help us you understand that you have no chance to win, right?
Id really expect strager to be an independent role, but now that its confirmed we can add LS to the confirmed town list permanently.
Id really expect strager to be an independent role, but now that its confirmed we can add LS to the confirmed town list permanently.
I never asked you to lynch him 
I am ALWAYS confusing.bmin11 wrote:
LunaticMara - none. Was rather confusing reading his posts.
so Chris' claim is looking better and better.
cool, I guess.
Chris, could you ask if in Mashley, Haneii or foulcoon there's one anti-town player?
cool, I guess.
Chris, could you ask if in Mashley, Haneii or foulcoon there's one anti-town player?
So basically we leave mash alive, and if I'm NKed ever then either we gain another confirmed town / survivor, we gain a lyncher who targets the mafia, or he'll win (which I assume this game is a multi-win, but if it's not then the mafia risk losing by killing me.)Mafiawiki wrote:
The Lyncher is a third-party role whose win condition is to get a specific person (the Lynchee) lynched. If the Lynchee is lynched while the Lyncher is alive and on the Lynchee's wagon, the Lyncher wins. If the Lyncher dies first or the Lyncher is the only scum left in the game and the Lynchee is still alive, the Lyncher loses.
Mods have differing policies in regard to what happens if a Lynchee is nightkilled: the Lyncher may gain the pro-Town Win Condition, may become a Survivor, may change their Lynchee to whoever made that kill, or may win as if that player had gotten lynched.
Sounds like a good situation for us.
Before I head to sleep tonight, I'm voting with both my votes. Who I'm voting depends on if we've actually got a consensus or not. If we don't, as I said before I'm voting for whoever I feel like.
@Wojjan - Thinking over what you wrote, do you mean something like: "There's exactally one anti-town player between Mashley, Haneii, and Foulcoon."?
If so, it would be better just to use "Haneii and Foulcoon are both pro-town.", since it's basically confirmed that Mashley's anti-town.
Oh, I forgot Mashley already claimed. Fine, go with another lurker. foul, Haneii and animask. And not "exactly one" just "one or more"
I kinda just wanna string up a lurker as a warning by now really. They're no use, so it's easy for mafs to lurk with them then
Please do provide some justification first (your votes' are still on me, and I'd prefer not to be lynched on a whim)LadySuburu wrote:
If we don't, as I said before I'm voting for whoever I feel like.
Agreed. I still can't read much, in part due to the inactivity of some people.Wojjan wrote:
I kinda just wanna string up a lurker as a warning by now really. They're no use, so it's easy for mafs to lurk with them then
Topic Starter
Vote Count
Mashley (1) pieguy
foulcoon (1) Two
animask (1) Rantai
akrolsmir (1) LadySuburu
21 hours remaining
Mashley (1) pieguy
foulcoon (1) Two
animask (1) Rantai
akrolsmir (1) LadySuburu
21 hours remaining
I just haven't unvoted yet, since I don't see a need to. I'm still deciding on who I think should be lynched.akrolsmir wrote:
Please do provide some justification first (your votes' are still on me, and I'd prefer not to be lynched on a whim)
Agreed. I still can't read much, in part due to the inactivity of some people.
To be fair, I'll give you the reasons I have my gut suspicion on you.
This post gave me a real bad feeling. It was the main reason I started to look at you.akrolsmir wrote:
Lynch is in less than a day now, you'd better have good reasons for not voting.
Ironically, the other people I'm considering voting are all of the players not striked out on this list.Votecount wrote:
DxS (5)Two, Lilac, akrolsmir, LunaticMara, foulcoon
There are more reasons, but none of which I feel are really strong enough to post. I can decide who I think is scum based on anything I can find, generally I'll post something if I think it warrents other people looking at it.
Oh, and the other reason I waited and didn't unvote and gave virtually no reasons as to why I was voting you, was to test your reaction to my unexplained vote.
"one or more is anti-town" is the same as "all are pro-town", only inferior since it may not pick up independent roles
with foulcoon, I don't know why day 1 he decided to vote at all, but I'm torn because I don't think town would have voted for deathxshinigami at that point (mashley is the only target that made sense)
day 2 when lilac proposed the vigilante kill deathxshinigami, he didn't even express opposition to it and instead chose to say this:
While we're on that subject, I don't see why Lilac would say those things as town... but I also don't see why they would say those things as mafia since it's bad play on both sides. I guess they were hoping for it to be done quickly.
so I'm fine with either a lilac or foulcoon lynch, but I'm sticking with my vote
with foulcoon, I don't know why day 1 he decided to vote at all, but I'm torn because I don't think town would have voted for deathxshinigami at that point (mashley is the only target that made sense)
day 2 when lilac proposed the vigilante kill deathxshinigami, he didn't even express opposition to it and instead chose to say this:
Why wouldn't a vig be able to kill DxS? He already avoided lynch somehow, are you saying he could avoid bullets too? That would be OP :Swhich in my mind is encouraging a vigilante to do it
While we're on that subject, I don't see why Lilac would say those things as town... but I also don't see why they would say those things as mafia since it's bad play on both sides. I guess they were hoping for it to be done quickly.
so I'm fine with either a lilac or foulcoon lynch, but I'm sticking with my vote
I'll go with Vote: Lilac, since his posts to date have been a lot less substantive than foulcoon's. It looks like he tried pretty hard to get DxS killed, but then after LS's claim he's basically said nothing. And he's failed to claim even a name at this point.
It's not a great case, but it's what I could pick up.
Incidentally the same is true again now...
It's not a great case, but it's what I could pick up.
Someone else also pointed to that post as suspicious I think. What I don't understand is how trying to get people to vote and reminding them of a deadline is a bad thing.LadySuburu wrote:
This post gave me a real bad feeling. It was the main reason I started to look at you.akrolsmir wrote:
Lynch is in less than a day now, you'd better have good reasons for not voting.
Incidentally the same is true again now...
Roleclaim: Rokodo/Bus Driver(??)
/me goes back to doing nothing.
/me goes back to doing nothing.
Why do you join every single mafia game if you don't want to read or post? Do you really just join these to troll people?animask wrote:
/me goes back to doing nothing.
I'm not asking a rhetorical question. I really want to know, animask.
I'm not really interested in this game in particular. I just joined thinking I would have a cool role or something.
Modkill request
unless Rolled wants to fill in for this spot.
Modkill request
unless Rolled wants to fill in for this spot.
please never join another game everanimask wrote:
I'm not really interested in this game in particular. I just joined thinking I would have a cool role or something.
Modkill request
Hold on, Request replacement for animask
o/
And Rolled saves the day.
well then
Rolled replaces animask
Rolled replaces animask
Ok.
Unvote: Rolled - My vote was based on animask's sheer laziness, let's see what you have to say Rolled.
Unvote: Rolled - My vote was based on animask's sheer laziness, let's see what you have to say Rolled.
ohai Rolled~
If Mashley isn't mafia, the person I find next most suspicious is Haneii...or akrolsmir, but moreso Haneii. Not to mention he's a lot less active than he is usually...
unvote Mashley, vote Haneii
If Mashley isn't mafia, the person I find next most suspicious is Haneii...or akrolsmir, but moreso Haneii. Not to mention he's a lot less active than he is usually...
unvote Mashley, vote Haneii
bus drive me, baby
Vote Count
foulcoon (1) - Two
Rolled (1) - Chris
akrolsmir (1) - LadySuburu
Lilac (1) - akrolsmir
Haneii (1) - pieguy
foulcoon (1) - Two
Rolled (1) - Chris
akrolsmir (1) - LadySuburu
Lilac (1) - akrolsmir
Haneii (1) - pieguy
I must say I spent the last hour or so trying to plan how I'd dig myself out of this hole animask dug, but I actually am Rokodo the bus driver.
The first night animask switched DxS with foulcoon, if that can possibly validate my role with a few people.
I've been remotely following this thread and I have much to say. Before I voice my opinions, though, I'm going to give it a re-read.
Hi guise ^_^
The first night animask switched DxS with foulcoon, if that can possibly validate my role with a few people.
I've been remotely following this thread and I have much to say. Before I voice my opinions, though, I'm going to give it a re-read.
Hi guise ^_^
Lily, come back ~
No really, I need to hear more from you >w<
I'm still suspicious of rolled because animask becoming bored/uninterested has me thinking he was mafia (already has an idea of most of the affiliations), if that makes any sense. Although that's probably a terrible/weak reason to suspect anyone.
I'm okay with the new chris statement but I'd rather have rolled replace me. I'd like to confirm rolled and foulcoun (ie: new info plz, I already know I'm town XD). meh.
rolled - He told us about his role and what he did last night, can't find any holes in his statement. Would like to hear his opinions on everyone else though.
Lilac - wanted DxS, something lily would do I guess. Honestly have no reason why he can't be mafia D:
pieguy1372 - no opinion
foulcoon - no opinion
DeathxShinigami - getting lynched + silence, prob not a good reason to think he's town, but I'll wait till he comes back and gets to talk more before I decide. I don't have a reason to think he's mafia if that's a good argument? o_O
akrolsmir - no opinion
Haneii - getting a strong town vibe from her. Yup, definitely town.
bmin11 - no opinion
Rantai - no opinion
LunaticMara - no opinion
no opinion = I don't think they're mafia but I don't have a strong reason for thinking they're town (ie: gut feeling, no evidence suggesting otherwise, etc..)
No really, I need to hear more from you >w<
I'm still suspicious of rolled because animask becoming bored/uninterested has me thinking he was mafia (already has an idea of most of the affiliations), if that makes any sense. Although that's probably a terrible/weak reason to suspect anyone.
I'm okay with the new chris statement but I'd rather have rolled replace me. I'd like to confirm rolled and foulcoun (ie: new info plz, I already know I'm town XD). meh.
Mashley - He isn't pro town, neither is he mafiaTwo wrote:
what is everyone's reason for each player above not being mafia
rolled - He told us about his role and what he did last night, can't find any holes in his statement. Would like to hear his opinions on everyone else though.
Lilac - wanted DxS, something lily would do I guess. Honestly have no reason why he can't be mafia D:
pieguy1372 - no opinion
foulcoon - no opinion
DeathxShinigami - getting lynched + silence, prob not a good reason to think he's town, but I'll wait till he comes back and gets to talk more before I decide. I don't have a reason to think he's mafia if that's a good argument? o_O
akrolsmir - no opinion
Haneii - getting a strong town vibe from her. Yup, definitely town.
bmin11 - no opinion
Rantai - no opinion
LunaticMara - no opinion
no opinion = I don't think they're mafia but I don't have a strong reason for thinking they're town (ie: gut feeling, no evidence suggesting otherwise, etc..)
Oops, forgot about this:
Rolled - I don't know yet
Lilac - I think Lilac is somewhat suspicious, considering he suddenly popped up at the start of day 2 and hasn't said anything recently..
foulcoon - I'm too tired to analyze his behavior right now =.=
DxS - I don't know, he's to inactive
akrolsmir - again a gut feeling he's mafia
Haneii - neutral on everything and somewhat inactive, far more so than when he was town
bmin11 - I have a gut feeling he's not mafia
Rantai - I'm too tired to analyze his behavior right now...
LunaticMara - neutral on everything and also inactive., so I think he's suspicious
Mashley - roleclaimed, so I don't think he's mafiaTwo wrote:
Mashley
animask
Lilac
pieguy1372
foulcoon
DeathxShinigami
akrolsmir
Haneii
bmin11
Rantai
LunaticMara
what is everyone's reason for each player above not being mafia
Rolled - I don't know yet
Lilac - I think Lilac is somewhat suspicious, considering he suddenly popped up at the start of day 2 and hasn't said anything recently..
foulcoon - I'm too tired to analyze his behavior right now =.=
DxS - I don't know, he's to inactive
akrolsmir - again a gut feeling he's mafia
Haneii - neutral on everything and somewhat inactive, far more so than when he was town
bmin11 - I have a gut feeling he's not mafia
Rantai - I'm too tired to analyze his behavior right now...
LunaticMara - neutral on everything and also inactive., so I think he's suspicious
I've re-read the thread from the start of day 1, and will post opinions on players in the order of which they were gathered. Some people will be left out, as I didn't feel anything said by them was too influential. This isn't necessarily a good thing.
Bolded shit is kind of important
Day 1 impressions:
NoHitter:
I enjoyed his question approach, and I don't feel his intentions were to deliberately scumpaint. If the theme of the game wasn't "corrupt BATs" then it is possible he could have been on to something. If you'd rather be mafia, you'd definitely pick users in PYP more likely to be anti-town. I can name some people with mafia-like traits to them, so usually with D1 material being so scarce, these question responses would be enough to justify a vote for me. Well played nohitter~
bmin:
Your questions, not so much. NoHitter's had apparent reason behind them, yours seem more random. Like I said though, day 1 chatter is usually minimal so I don't really blame you for attempting to start conversation, even if it was arguably off topic. His reaction to attack didn't really sit well with me, even if in my mind the attacks were somewhat unjustified.
akrolsmir:
This post where he calls out bmin was nice, and I got pro-town reads from it. I don't necessarily think speculating about setup is a scumtell, but his post influenced my opinion on bmin a little which is what he was going for.
Wojjan:
Attacked like 8 different people day 1. This may be scumtell but Wojjan tends to be more passive when mafia iirc. Kind of neutral at the time I'm writing this sentence.
Rantai:
This maaaay be grasping, but it definitely crossed my mind as I was reading this post:
Mashley:
The way I'm writing this post is I'm hopping from member to member adding shit to the list. At the time of writing, Mashley is the fifth person to stand out to me and the person giving me the most anti-town reads. Day 1, he has contributed very little of his own opinions. First, he bandwagoned on the "NoHitter is scum" train, third on board. He then rides rust's suggestion that animask's inactivity could be scummy. He was second to unvote, though that doesn't really suggest bandwagonning. I dunno, Mashley is leaning a bit on the anti-town side of the spectrum.
Okay, capping all that shit there. Those are the players that stuck out to me as of day 1. Since a lot of things changed D2, I figured it deserves a separate section.
Day 2 impressions:
Chris:
I don't like the fact at all that he voiced this information the start of D2. He could have saved it in case any of these members were in jeopardy lynched, or saved it to protect himself from being NKed/roleblocked. With chris's meta, it's safe to say that he's hardly ever a NK candidate. He really had nothing to be afraid of if he didn't post that information. There really isn't any part of me that feels Chris is mafia, however, I want to suggest that perhaps Chris can be an insane/naive variation of Two/lie detector. Two is in fact wrong a lot, and the brokenness of this role should have been apparent to faceman. I can't consider the fact that faceman/lyby would let this role be as it appears on paper, there has to be something hidden within it. Suggesting that Chris sends the following statement N2: "Chris is mafia." Opinions?
Two:
Lied about his restrictions, zzzz. I'm a firm believer in the LAL policy but it seems he had reasoning. I don't put it past Two to create this whole Q role from scratch, however I feel the likelihood of Q having a part in this game (suggesting Two doesn't hold the role) to be likely, and I know Two knows that as well. I don't think he would risk having somebody counter-claim on him. Protown.
LadySuburu:
Interesting claim. I believe we should verify it.
Since Chris seems to be confirmed town in most peoples eyes, how about you change his vote to a predetermined player? I'd then like Chris to attempt to change his vote and see if it registers. Should be an easy way to confirm LS as town, assuming you aren't lying.
Rust:
This is another post that struck me as odd. The wording just seems.. forced. Bear in mind this is heavily gut-feelingish.
Okay, taking a break half way through D2. I'm almost caught up to mass-roleclaim point, which I'm looking forward to analyzing like shit. Another similar textwall will probably come within the next 24 hours.
Bolded shit is kind of important
Day 1 impressions:
NoHitter:
I enjoyed his question approach, and I don't feel his intentions were to deliberately scumpaint. If the theme of the game wasn't "corrupt BATs" then it is possible he could have been on to something. If you'd rather be mafia, you'd definitely pick users in PYP more likely to be anti-town. I can name some people with mafia-like traits to them, so usually with D1 material being so scarce, these question responses would be enough to justify a vote for me. Well played nohitter~
bmin:
Your questions, not so much. NoHitter's had apparent reason behind them, yours seem more random. Like I said though, day 1 chatter is usually minimal so I don't really blame you for attempting to start conversation, even if it was arguably off topic. His reaction to attack didn't really sit well with me, even if in my mind the attacks were somewhat unjustified.
akrolsmir:
This post where he calls out bmin was nice, and I got pro-town reads from it. I don't necessarily think speculating about setup is a scumtell, but his post influenced my opinion on bmin a little which is what he was going for.
Wojjan:
Attacked like 8 different people day 1. This may be scumtell but Wojjan tends to be more passive when mafia iirc. Kind of neutral at the time I'm writing this sentence.
Rantai:
This maaaay be grasping, but it definitely crossed my mind as I was reading this post:
Rantai was pro-town in the game he linked, and it seems like him referring to the questions previously answered was a forced attempt at consistent meta. It's not the fact that he didn't want to re-answer the same questions; I don't blame him, but it's how he responded that alarmed me.Rantai wrote:
In regards to your questions: viewtopic.php?p=975713#p975713 No change.
Mashley:
The way I'm writing this post is I'm hopping from member to member adding shit to the list. At the time of writing, Mashley is the fifth person to stand out to me and the person giving me the most anti-town reads. Day 1, he has contributed very little of his own opinions. First, he bandwagoned on the "NoHitter is scum" train, third on board. He then rides rust's suggestion that animask's inactivity could be scummy. He was second to unvote, though that doesn't really suggest bandwagonning. I dunno, Mashley is leaning a bit on the anti-town side of the spectrum.
Okay, capping all that shit there. Those are the players that stuck out to me as of day 1. Since a lot of things changed D2, I figured it deserves a separate section.
Day 2 impressions:
Chris:
I don't like the fact at all that he voiced this information the start of D2. He could have saved it in case any of these members were in jeopardy lynched, or saved it to protect himself from being NKed/roleblocked. With chris's meta, it's safe to say that he's hardly ever a NK candidate. He really had nothing to be afraid of if he didn't post that information. There really isn't any part of me that feels Chris is mafia, however, I want to suggest that perhaps Chris can be an insane/naive variation of Two/lie detector. Two is in fact wrong a lot, and the brokenness of this role should have been apparent to faceman. I can't consider the fact that faceman/lyby would let this role be as it appears on paper, there has to be something hidden within it. Suggesting that Chris sends the following statement N2: "Chris is mafia." Opinions?
Two:
Lied about his restrictions, zzzz. I'm a firm believer in the LAL policy but it seems he had reasoning. I don't put it past Two to create this whole Q role from scratch, however I feel the likelihood of Q having a part in this game (suggesting Two doesn't hold the role) to be likely, and I know Two knows that as well. I don't think he would risk having somebody counter-claim on him. Protown.
LadySuburu:
Interesting claim. I believe we should verify it.
Since Chris seems to be confirmed town in most peoples eyes, how about you change his vote to a predetermined player? I'd then like Chris to attempt to change his vote and see if it registers. Should be an easy way to confirm LS as town, assuming you aren't lying.
Rust:
This is another post that struck me as odd. The wording just seems.. forced. Bear in mind this is heavily gut-feelingish.
The "we should see how the mafia reacts" bit is just very strange wording. Not only is it an attempt to align himself with town, but it's also suggesting the mafia members are apparent, in a strangely worded kind of way. Zzz, hard to get my point across. I just don't like this post.Rust wrote:
I think we should see how the mafia reacts to his claim before we try to analyze it.
Okay, taking a break half way through D2. I'm almost caught up to mass-roleclaim point, which I'm looking forward to analyzing like shit. Another similar textwall will probably come within the next 24 hours.
Hitoshirenu Shourai.
Yes, I am a BAT. However I win with town which is why I disagreed with the possible beginning of the setup before. Again, the reason I stayed quiet was because there was nothing really much to say. If animask was lazy and was Mafia because of it, I should lynch him in the other ones he was in.
To be honest, I want to hear more from you, Haneii. Dragging me out just to do this. Frowny face.
Yes, I am a BAT. However I win with town which is why I disagreed with the possible beginning of the setup before. Again, the reason I stayed quiet was because there was nothing really much to say. If animask was lazy and was Mafia because of it, I should lynch him in the other ones he was in.
To be honest, I want to hear more from you, Haneii. Dragging me out just to do this. Frowny face.
Just clarifying that that textwall does not consider the most recent posts and roleclaims. Apologies, but I ran out of steam temporarily.
[off topic]@pieguy
I'm sorry, RL is being a pain and now I've started school again. I don't have much time to post like I usually do but I am trying to post everyday around the same time :<. Although, I have noticed most of you post regularly and I usually come back to 3 - 4 pages worth of posts after my last one, making me think I'm not posting enough and might be hurting the game. If you guys think the same I guess I can ask for a replacement - if not, I'll continue to post once every 24 and whenever else I get the chance [/off topic]
I'm sorry, RL is being a pain and now I've started school again. I don't have much time to post like I usually do but I am trying to post everyday around the same time :<. Although, I have noticed most of you post regularly and I usually come back to 3 - 4 pages worth of posts after my last one, making me think I'm not posting enough and might be hurting the game. If you guys think the same I guess I can ask for a replacement - if not, I'll continue to post once every 24 and whenever else I get the chance
[/off topic]Sorry my previous post sounded made next to no sense so I edited it.
Anyway, I'd like to see if Mashley's roleclaim is with town or not. Considering he claimed peppy and Rolled deducting that he's anti-town.
Anyway, I'd like to see if Mashley's roleclaim is with town or not. Considering he claimed peppy and Rolled deducting that he's anti-town.
you are the second person to use "Two is wrong a lot" as an argument against his role, and the second person to supply no evidence to support their claimRolled wrote:
I want to suggest that perhaps Chris can be an insane/naive variation of Two/lie detector. Two is in fact wrong a lot, and the brokenness of this role should have been apparent to faceman.
it's been practically proven by this point that he got the 4 people he listed correct, so are you honestly saying that he just got lucky?
I am against him sending "chris is mafia" because there is no reason to currently believe that his role is inaccurate, and it:
1. wastes a night of his ability
2. clears the stage for another aux to die in vain
the very suggestion of this by someone who knows as much as you makes me think you're mafia
I'm sorryLilac wrote:
To be honest, I want to hear more from you, Haneii. Dragging me out just to do this. Frowny face.
. I'm don't know what else to say, hmmm. Have any questions for me?I think Rolled didn't mean that Chris was mafia...he was just stating the Chris's role might have been that he is insane or naive which certainly puts upon the fact whether the statement he did was actually true or not. Unless Chris himself knows that he is sane.
Just saying...
Just saying...
LadySuburu wrote:
DxS's nonlynch was my fault. I woke up one hour to late to vote for DxS over NoHItter.
Claim: strager
Since I'm so clever, I can take someone's vote and force it onto another player without it updating the votecount. They can't change the vote from then on either.
@rolled
We'd need an exact number of players voting certain other players, and there would have to be no other roles that modify votes. (Doublevoter/voteless)
Also, I'll post my other opinions about your opinions when you're done.
Oh, I guess I'll post one thing since it was already ninja brought up by two.
That mostly sums up what I have to say.Two wrote:
I am against him sending "chris is mafia" because there is no reason to currently believe that his role is inaccurate, and it:
1. wastes a night of his ability
2. clears the stage for another aux to die in vain
the very suggestion of this by someone who knows as much as you makes me think you're mafia
I never said that rolled said that chris was mafia and didn't imply that either
Also no questions. Just post. Like I should be doing.
Rolled wrote:
Suggesting that Chris sends the following statement N2: "Chris is mafia." Opinions?
Might be a waste of time - not sure how long chris will be alive for + would like to get information that can help with lynch decisions first.
Keep in mind that he got silenced today. I know he was inactive at the start of the day, but he can't respond to your comments.pieguy1372 wrote:
DxS - I don't know, he's to inactive
And I have the same problem as Lilac - I don't really have any idea what to say. I don't know about that neutrality though, I don't quite understand.
[/tiredbacktowritesomepapersIRL]
Your definition of proven differs a lot from mine. I won't have confidence in his role's straight-forwardness until it's confirmed by the host in the form of either that question, or post-game role setup. How useful is the information he's providing us with if we can't be certain of its validity? Not to mention, I could WIFOM all day with "If his information is invalid, mafia won't lynch him tonight" etc etc etc. The only way to be certain is for him to ask that or a similar question. And yes, you are wrong enough to have "Naive" in front of a role modeled around yourself ^__^. Women's intuition, after all.Two wrote:
you are the second person to use "Two is wrong a lot" as an argument against his role, and the second person to supply no evidence to support their claimRolled wrote:
I want to suggest that perhaps Chris can be an insane/naive variation of Two/lie detector. Two is in fact wrong a lot, and the brokenness of this role should have been apparent to faceman.
it's been practically proven by this point that he got the 4 people he listed correct, so are you honestly saying that he just got lucky?
I am against him sending "chris is mafia" because there is no reason to currently believe that his role is inaccurate, and it:
1. wastes a night of his ability
2. clears the stage for another aux to die in vain
the very suggestion of this by someone who knows as much as you makes me think you're mafia
Holy fuck there was like 10 replies while I was writing that message.
There was about 3 when I replied with mine.
and if you recall, in the game where I famously said that, I was rightRolled wrote:
Women's intuition, after all.
so I'm still waiting for a solid reason to doubt his role enough to waste a night+sacrifice an aux, because as you know "I doubt 0_o and lybydose would let his role be that strong" is weak as hell
edit: edited in the quote to make it easier to understand who I was talking to
I have been thinking about this one for a while, I have a gut feeling that every result he gets may come out true. Perhaps a statement saying that the other players that he didn't check are pro-town might be able to verify this. (ie A, B, C etc are pro-town)Rolled wrote:
Chris: There really isn't any part of me that feels Chris is mafia, however, I want to suggest that perhaps Chris can be an insane/naive variation of Two/lie detector. Two is in fact wrong a lot, and the brokenness of this role should have been apparent to faceman. I can't consider the fact that faceman/lyby would let this role be as it appears on paper, there has to be something hidden within it. Suggesting that Chris sends the following statement N2: "Chris is mafia." Opinions?
I admit that was very lazy of me but the question layout was identical and I had not changed my opinions in the space of 2 or so games so I thought it would be easier to link instead of retyping.Rolled wrote:
Rantai: This maaaay be grasping, but it definitely crossed my mind as I was reading this post:
etc etc
How is it weak? There's not a single person in this game that would argue how overpowered chris's role is. I give faceman and lyby a lot of credit, too much to consider that role to be straight-forward.
it's weak because we are arguing the strength of his role after the factRolled wrote:
How is it weak?
0_o and lybydose did not know what he would state to them before the game started, and I can almost guarantee they didn't envision "these 4 people are pro-town"
even if you ignore that, you can not seriously say that it's worth throwing away an aux+an extremely informative night ability based on what the hosts may or may not have thought (unless there is solid evidence for that shown in any of 0_o or lybydose's posts)
It doesn't matter in the end though. If they find it's overpowered, they have the right to remove it without forewarning per the rules...