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Wojjan

bmin11 wrote:

Confirm

inb4 drakari & ekaru mafia pair
this is the main reason I am voting bmin over and over again. I was so dang sure when I read this one of the newbies is his scum partner, but I expected it to be Darkari rather than Ekaru. I was alright with a lynch on either of them but Ekaru being PR screwing up was just as likely which is why I was as apprehensive. If I had been around or if the lynch on Ekaru was not gonna go through for some reason I probably would've voted from him too but as it stood there were quite enough votes on him I'm sure you dodn't need me in spirit.
Drakari_old
I wouldn't say that "Not voting Ekaru" is enough of a reason to lynch someone right now, but I will say that I doubt the other mafia would have voted for his ally in that situation.

So Wojjan, Backfire, JInxyjem are the current possibilities. I'm leaning toward Backfire for trying to roleclaim vanilla townie.
Backfire
Trying to roleclaim
No I did
But go ahead, one more game I dont have to worry about.
Sync
nah it'd be too easy for scum

plus role-claiming vanilla townie day 2 of a 2of4 game isn't scummy
NoHitter
Actually I think that claiming Vanilla Townie like that is a town tell.
In a game like this, Mafia should technically claim a power role to avoid getting lynched.
The very fact that Backfire claimed a role that we wouldn't think twice of lynching makes him look town.
Sync
that and he doesn't really seem to give a fuck about this game
Drakari_old
Eh, it was just a feeling. In the past I've explicitly claimed generic townie more when I'm not one then when I am, but it could go either way.
Backfire

Sync wrote:

that and he doesn't really seem to give a fuck about this game
I give no fucks about this or jesterfest right now.
Just waiting for touhou and my game.
Wojjan
Tell me when you're gonna vote jinxy
Rantai
Vote: Wojjan

It's not Hitter or Sync for sure in my opinion. bmin seemed a bit out of it but Wojjan's odd hesitation last day sticks out a hair in front (on top of gut).

Backfire, I have a null tell on due to his apathy and Drakari is actually up there in the suspicion list, but I need to see more before forming a full opinion.
Topic Starter
0_o
Vote Count
JInxyjem (1) - Wojjan
Wojjan (1) - Rantai

Not Voting - Sync, Backfire, JInxyjem, NoHItter, Drakari

2 days + 18 hours remaining.
Wojjan
Rantai how can you admit to bmin acting scummmy and then vote me because I think they're scummy
not gonna get into the gut feeling because that is a can of wifom I won't open up
Sync
hi Wojjan can you explain the meta lane thing (i'm curious)

Jinxy is being careful with his posts (FoSing instead of voting, targeting wojjan in most of his posts. probably making up for bmin's mistake. also, confirmed Drakari as "not scum" in the same post he FoS'd Ekaru, which seems very odd to me. Town doesn't know who is and isn't scum.)

NoHItter is town in my eyes for voting mafia and having reason to do so

Drakari is ????

Backfire is ???? (leaning town due to meta)

vote: Jinxy
Wojjan
Ekaru flipping his shit was what he did as town in uh, the only other game he was ever in, was it salvage's?
I just thought people were picking on the new guy too much at first and just him posting like a madman was just panic attack but eventually I also reconsidered.
Sync
oh ok thx

if you reconsidered why didn't you vote
Jinxy

Sync wrote:

Jinxy is being careful with his posts (FoSing instead of voting, targeting wojjan in most of his posts. probably making up for bmin's mistake. also, confirmed Drakari as "not scum" in the same post he FoS'd Ekaru, which seems very odd to me. Town doesn't know who is and isn't scum.)
My reasons have all been posred beforehand. I FoS'd Ekaru because I didn't want to leave someome at L-1 when there were still 3 days, and I never confirmed Drakari as town, I just said his posts were bad and unhelpful.
Wojjan has been voting for bmin/me since Day 1. When Day 2 came, it was the only.odd thing so of course I would ask for ghs reason for voting me.
Jinxy
ghs = his
Sync
both of you are pretty suspicious in my eyes, but answers to questions was all I was looking for

Wojjan wrote:

Ekaru flipping his shit was what he did as town in uh, the only other game he was ever in, was it salvage's?
I just thought people were picking on the new guy too much at first and just him posting like a madman was just panic attack but eventually I also reconsidered.
this is really itching at me

Waiting for other people to help me out on this
Wojjan
did you really need five votes instead of four on ekaru? I was just as strong on my jinxy read, from the point of my last post even stronger than ekaru because, you know, four votes on a day one lynch. Something could be up with that. I didn't feel like going out of my way from my vote on bmin to a bandwagon I was less sure of that was going to go through anyway
Topic Starter
0_o

JInxyjem wrote:

ghs = his
I'm actually ok with editing posts, so feel free to do so.
Wojjan
I'm not. EBWOP is just good conduct in mafia
Topic Starter
0_o
Well as far as I'm concerned, if you make a spelling error then fixing it isn't a big deal. If it's a bigger issue, then by editing you take the risk that no one catches you and calls you out on it.

The only thing I would have a problem with editing out is votes. Though if you want to discuss this further we should probably take it to the General Discussion thread. There isn't anything in the rules about it atm, so it probably IS something we should come to a consensus on.
Rantai

Wojjan wrote:

Rantai how can you admit to bmin acting scummmy and then vote me because I think they're scummy
I believe bmin was acting weirdly but not overly scummy per se.

What sticks out the most (outside gut) is your line;

... but I almost wanna vote him just to see if he's scum so I can make a case when this happens again

almost. still on bmin
It was like a really awkward "I think he's scummy but not going to vote him" kind of flick off (to appear to agree while not voting for their partner). Yeah you were tunneled on bmin, but that could also add to the flick off. I could be over reading it but that's all I have.
NoHitter

Wojjan wrote:

did you really need five votes instead of four on ekaru? I was just as strong on my jinxy read, from the point of my last post even stronger than ekaru because, you know, four votes on a day one lynch. Something could be up with that. I didn't feel like going out of my way from my vote on bmin to a bandwagon I was less sure of that was going to go through anyway
You can see it that way, but you can also see it as fence sitting. Not voting for someone when he/she's going to get lynched offers many excuses as to why you didn't vote him/her depending on the situation.

For example, if the person lynched was town, the excuse could be: "I was suspicious, but my gut told me otherwise. That's why I didn't vote."
Whereas if the person lynched was scum, the excuse could be: "Oh he/she was going to get lynched anyway, but I did point out that he/she was suspicious."

So your excuse as to why you didn't vote Ekaru seems scummy.

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But that doesn't discount JInxyjem though.
JInxy only said that he wasn't going to vote for Ekaru in the meantime since there was still time and it would mean placing Ekaru at L-1.

I understand JInxy's reason to not place Ekaru at L-1 with three days left.
Placing someone at L-1 without being 100% sure is generally dangerous.
(If Ekaru had been a town power role, mafia could have quickhammered thus making us lose an important role.
Now that we know Ekaru was scum, he could have self-hammered too - ending the discussion prematurely.)

But, JInxyjem, were you/when were you planning to actually vote for Ekaru.
You said that only reason why you didn't vote for him was because there was three days left.
Now why didn't you vote for him when we had only one day left before the deadline?
Wojjan
Well on the other hand he was mafia rolecop don't you think that if I were his partner I would've done a lot more than "This is how townekaru's meta is too but meh" to get him off the hook
Sync
or you could have distanced yourself from him for this very reason
Wojjan
no man persian or greek lets town lynch their rolecop like that
Wojjan
I mean especially with Ekaru's townplay in themeless and the fact that the only sound argument I heard against ekaru was that he was digging his own hole in his replies. The only actual scummy thing people were building off was a misplaced randavote
Sync
you're fucked man oh shit you're going to get lynched oh shit you're going to lose it for mafia what are you going to do now

seriously though based off every single game I've ever played it always seems like the people who I don't think are mafia are mafia



** POINTING AT DRAKARI/BACKFIRE **


WHAT DO YOU TWO HAVE TO SAY FOR YOURSELF

edit: totally thought I was going to die N1
Wojjan
you alwyas think that
prod those two bitches
Wojjan
also if they don't respond or only respond with an "i'm here" and don't give thoughts on the game replace them
Jinxy

NoHItter wrote:

But, JInxyjem, were you/when were you planning to actually vote for Ekaru.
You said that only reason why you didn't vote for him was because there was three days left.
Now why didn't you vote for him when we had only one day left before the deadline?
Mostly because I had work piled on after my post on the not-voting and stuff got busier, and Ekaru and Sync's long argument didn't quite help either when I only have little time between lessons to read and I had to skim quite a lot.


Wojjan wrote:

Well on the other hand he was mafia rolecop don't you think that if I were his partner I would've done a lot more than "This is how townekaru's meta is too but meh" to get him off the hook

Wojjan wrote:

no man persian or greek lets town lynch their rolecop like that
This argument to me is kind of weak, mostly because no one else, persian nor greek, stood against Ekaru's lynch. Most wanted his lynch, I was still hesitant during my last D1 post for the previously said reason to avoid a quickhammer, and BF wasn't even there for most of Day 1. The vaguest objection to the lynch would probably be you, actually.
Wojjan
It's all I got. I didn't vote him because I voted for you who I am more sure of.
Backfire
Requesting replace.
Jinxy

Wojjan wrote:

It's all I got. I didn't vote him because I voted for you who I am more sure of.
Well, if that's the case, then I don't really have much to say. To me it's either you or Backfire who's the last mafia, and your focus on me and explanations on not voting for Ekaru D1 just don't sit right with me and make me suspect you more than Backfire.

Vote: Wojjan
Topic Starter
0_o
Drakari has been prodded, finding a replacement for Backfire.
Wojjan
just lynch Jinxy when you lynch me and no hurt feelings
NoHitter

JInxyjem wrote:

Wojjan wrote:

Well on the other hand he was mafia rolecop don't you think that if I were his partner I would've done a lot more than "This is how townekaru's meta is too but meh" to get him off the hook

Wojjan wrote:

no man persian or greek lets town lynch their rolecop like that
This argument to me is kind of weak, mostly because no one else, persian nor greek, stood against Ekaru's lynch. Most wanted his lynch, I was still hesitant during my last D1 post for the previously said reason to avoid a quickhammer, and BF wasn't even there for most of Day 1. The vaguest objection to the lynch would probably be you, actually.
Actually, this statement hits the mark.
The only time someone opposed the lynch even the slightest was when Wojjan said that Ekaru's meta still fit the townie meta.
In addition to fence setting, I think Wojjan is the most suspicious.
Vote: Wojjan

Wojjan is at L-1.
Wojjan
I claim vanilla town, you're not lynching any PRs. Go town
Topic Starter
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Ivalset replaces JInxyjem Backfire

Vote Count
Wojjan (3) - Rantai, JInxyjem, NoHItter
JInxyjem (2) - Wojjan, Sync

Not Voting - Ivalset, Drakari

1 day + 21 hours remaining.
Ivalset
Well, read through everything except most of the text walls involving Ekaru killing himself. I like a bmin/JInxy lynch more than a Wojjan lynch but those two seem far and away the most suspicious.

Vote: JInxyjem
Wojjan

0_o wrote:

Ivalset replaces JInxyjem
you're a good sport to selfvote, ival
Jinxy

0_o wrote:

Ivalset replaces JInxyjem
...
Topic Starter
0_o
YOU SAW NOTHING
Sync
I lol'd

aaaa I don't want to hammer wojjan because I'm not sureeeeee
Drakari_old
I can't believe I'm still not used to hitting the quick reply button over the add reply button. I also still don't understand why they are labled so ambiguously.

Anyways, long post short I want to break the tie and am leaning toward Wojjan over JInxy, so I'm going to; sorry if it's a terrible strategy I'm not used to lynching immediately on majority so I'm unsure how to strategically use it.

Vote: Wojjan
Ivalset

Wojjan wrote:

0_o wrote:

Ivalset replaces JInxyjem
you're a good sport to selfvote, ival
I honestly got scared to death when I read that.
Sync

Drakari wrote:

I can't believe I'm still not used to hitting the quick reply button over the add reply button. I also still don't understand why they are labled so ambiguously.

Anyways, long post short I want to break the tie and am leaning toward Wojjan over JInxy, so I'm going to; sorry if it's a terrible strategy I'm not used to lynching immediately on majority so I'm unsure how to strategically use it.

Vote: Wojjan
im voting for you for hammering without discussion if wojjan flips town

god dammit
Topic Starter
0_o
After much deliberation, Drakari stood up, produced an abnormally large axe out of God knows where, and with an impressively clean slice, removed Wojjan's head from his body.

Unfortunately,

Wojjan - Townie - Lynched Day 2

It is now Night 2

You have 24 hours.
Wojjan
assholes
Topic Starter
0_o
Sync - Townie - Nightkilled N2

It is now Day 3

5 7 days from this post.

With 5 alive, it's 3 to lynch
Sync

Wojjan wrote:

assholes

go town
Drakari_old
I think I'm going to die now. Kinda in total abject failure mode here.
Ivalset
5 days, damn that's a long time.

In any case, I'm still quite interested in a JInxy lynch, so I'll hold on to that.

vote: JInxyjem
Rantai
Well I was wrong about Wojjan leaving just bmin/Jinxy and Drakari left on my list.

Kind of tossing it up I guess. Unfortunately there aren't many tells going on to work with.
Rantai
Gah I hate to do this but requesting replacement

Uni took a weird turn.
NoHitter
After some rereading, at this moment, I'm most suspicious of Drakari.
The fact that Sync died last night seems to point out that he's scum.
Although this could be WIFOM, his defeatist attitude at the start of the day seem to attest to this too.
I'm not 100% sure though, so I'm not voting yet.

Regarding JInxy, I'm not entirely sure.
IMO Drakari is more scummy than JInxy now.
JInxy was called out for not voting Ekaru, but I think Drakari could have voted Ekaru when he realized Ekaru was going to get lynched anyway.
Topic Starter
0_o
Looking for a Rantai replacement. I'll send some PMs when I get home if no one steps up by then.
Wojjan
I'll replace it's not like I had valuable info
Topic Starter
0_o
I'm not sure how I feel about people replacing into a game they already died in, but I'll consider it if I can't find anyone else.
Jinxy
Ok so yeah back from schoolwork avalanche and events and I also did revolver live firing last tuesday

Right now, I'm looking at this here post and I'm not really sure what to make out of it and whether Drakari is suspicious because of it.

Mafia would have chose a Sync kill since he practically started the Ekaru lynch and was pretty town, and Sync's last post might have given him more reason and have us think Drakari did it.

However, LS being the N1 kill over people on Ekaru's wagon kinda pops out at me. Rantai has noticed it too, and admitted that he would be the kind of guy to try for that kill too.

Rantai wrote:

Heh. My speculation is who would shoot LS?

Wojjan seems to be the only one who would fit that bill. I do too actually, take that as you will. Kind of weak reasoning I know but add that to the fact Wojjan never voted Ekaru I have a strong feeling that Wojjan is the one.

So yeah that's all I have noticed in the past days. Nothing suspicious to me for D3 for now since it's moving at the speed of slow
Drakari_old
I should probably be requesting a replacement given my ability to be active over the next few days, but I don't want to leave you looking for 2 replacements so I guess I'll stay.

Unless that's not preferred.


Oh, and I will say that killing people that openly threaten me isn't my style, but that's pretty shoddy defense.
Drakari_old
Crap, forgot that some people don't like editing posts. All I did was add that last line.
Mashley
Fiiiine I'll do it
Topic Starter
0_o
Mashley replaces Rantai
NoHitter

Drakari wrote:

I should probably be requesting a replacement given my ability to be active over the next few days, but I don't want to leave you looking for 2 replacements so I guess I'll stay.

Unless that's not preferred.
Mod: Perhaps we can get a deadline extension then?
Since one player won't be around at least until Monday.

Drakari wrote:

Oh, and I will say that killing people that openly threaten me isn't my style, but that's pretty shoddy defense.
We can't exactly confirm what you said by meta.

Well, I'm deciding to stick to my suspicions. The entire Sync being killed affair may be considered WIFOM, but your defeatist attitude at the start of D3, is suspicious too.
Vote: Drakari
Topic Starter
0_o
Yeah, that combined with the time taken for a replacement, I'd say an extension is valid.

The day has been extended by 48 hours
Mashley
So who's the mafia then?
Drakari_old
From what I hear, suspicion on you because Rantai seemed like the type to kill LS day 1, me because I hammered the person I was suspicious of rather than risk the tie going the other way (biased opinion, but it's my explanation), and JInxy for reasons I don't really remember.
Mashley
Ok lynch me then
Topic Starter
0_o
*prod everyone*
Drakari_old
Well I'm still here, but I don't have any more to say. The arguments against me are wrong but reasonable, and I don't even know the arguments against anyone else.
NoHitter
Well, barring Mashley's questionable comment, I don't think there's anything quite else to discuss.
I'm still pretty sure my vote on Drakari is correct, and unless anything else happens, I'm keeping it.
Topic Starter
0_o
3 days remaining
Ivalset
Well, this is a pretty bullshit post, but I honestly don't have much else to say or discuss. I still feel JInxy is the one, therefore I'm leaving my vote on him. I'm somewhat reluctant to believe Drakari is mafia since he was the trigger that sparked Ekaru killing himself, so it just seems a bit out of place. I'm more than content to lynch Drakari eventually, however, if it comes down to the wire.
NoHitter

Ivalset wrote:

Well, this is a pretty bullshit post, but I honestly don't have much else to say or discuss. I still feel JInxy is the one, therefore I'm leaving my vote on him. I'm somewhat reluctant to believe Drakari is mafia since he was the trigger that sparked Ekaru killing himself, so it just seems a bit out of place. I'm more than content to lynch Drakari eventually, however, if it comes down to the wire.
Could you repeat why exactly you think JInxy is mafia?
Ivalset
It's less that I think he's mafia and more that I don't think anyone else is.

Also, this post bothers me:

JInxyjem wrote:

Could you explain as to why you think Wojjan would kill LS?
It was already obvious that meta/gut was the reasoning as to why Rantai thought Wojjan would kill LS, so that post seems more like a subtle suggestion.
Jinxy
Alright I'm here but I have nothing I can think of to say. Although I'm looking at Mash now after his "lynch me" post
Topic Starter
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Vote Count
JInxyjem (1) - Ivalset
Drakari (1) - NoHItter

Not voting: JInxyjem, Mashley, Drakari

24.5 hours remaining

EDIT: Whoops
Ivalset
Did you miss NoHItter's vote on Drakari?
Drakari_old

NoHItter wrote:

Vote: Drakari
Just saying, because I'd hate to mess up democratic process... or something.

Anyways, since we're down to the last day I'm going to vote to save myself, because I'm 100% certain that my death is bad for the town while I have no special reason to believe either way for JInxy. I might not be on again before Night, but better evidence would be good if anyone wants to propose something.

vote: JInxyjem
NoHitter
My vote still remains on Drakari. He is the most suspicious at the moment, and I think he's the last mafia.
Also, I don't think I'll be online when the deadline is up.
Drakari_old
A little past the deadline right now... Cause for alarm or is there usually a bit of leeway that I don't notice because it's when I'm asleep anyway?
Topic Starter
0_o
Final Vote Count
JInxyjem (2) - Ivalset, Drakari
Drakari (1) - NoHItter

Not voting: JInxyjem, Mashley

--

JInxyjem - Townie - Lynched D3

It is now Night 3

Night ends in 24 hours.
Topic Starter
0_o
Drakari - Doctor - Nightkilled N3

It is now Day 4

Deadline is in 3 5 days.

With 3 alive, it's 2 votes to lynch.
Drakari_old
Have fun cleaning up my complete and utter failure...

(We do get one last parting comment, right?)
NoHitter
Well I have no idea who to go for now...
Got to reread it.
And I think it's time to massclaim.

I'm a Townie.
Topic Starter
0_o
32.5 hours left.
Ivalset
I think it's pretty late to call for a mass claim. What exactly are you expecting to hear?
NoHitter
There's still a chance that there's another power role around.
Although now that you mention it, any claim now should be taken with a grain of salt as mafia could just gambit and claim a power role.
Well anyway, I'm waiting for Mashley's claim.
NoHitter
Sigh basically Mashley lurked this entire day.
Prod Mashley

Mod: Can you extend the deadline? Even a day is fine :/
Topic Starter
0_o
Finding a replacement for Mashley, and extending the deadline by 2 days.
Ivalset
We could just lynch Mashley. I can just blame the loss on him anyway!
Wojjan
I'm on the scene. Don't have a role yet but I'm ON THE SCENE DAMMIT
Wojjan
alright I'm here and I'm a townie. Ival is also a townie I assume. 3-way lylo.

If I were to vote anyone it's Ival, but I don't know why so I'm gonna go over this again to see where I stand.
Ivalset
I'd honestly rather lynch NoHItter than you.
Wojjan
Well, that surprises me considering how mashley has been playing
Wojjan
In fact please explain why you think I am town. Rantai has been ONLY fossing and voting townies (me 1.0, darkari, jinxy) with shoddy reasoning at best, mashley was lurkerama and said "lynch me" at some point which I have no idea how to interpret other than defeatism or a bad gambit, and I have all of two posts one of which where I suspect you and give no reasoning.

What did any of us do for you to consider me town?
Ivalset
Mm, I assume he was disinterested. Also as weak as it is, I wouldn't really expect mafia to replace twice, even though Rantai had a reason for it.

I wouldn't be surprised with either of you turning out to be mafia, so it's pretty much a coin flip for me.
Ivalset

Wojjan wrote:

Rantai has been ONLY fossing and voting townies (me 1.0, darkari, jinxy) with shoddy reasoning at best
I'm also not seeing Rantai's votes on Drakari or JInxy, but maybe I'm blind.
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