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Lilac
How badly formatted is that chatlog?

Urgh..
DeathxShinigami
That's a terrible MSN you're using.
bmin11
yeah bmin just lurked some after foulcoon posted then left
oh great now I just saw that. tbh I have nothing to say against your "bmin is using his noob acting shield again". I thought your vote was kind of a RV (don't tell me you were going to political lynch him) and so I voted thinking we are in a RVS.
Rantai
Ugh, confirm. Reading.

Damn these time zones
Rantai
Wow why is it every game there is some mind hurting player... D:

Who's 'a'?
adam2046

Rantai wrote:

Wow why is it every game there is some mind hurting player... D:

Who's 'a'?
That's clearly Two...
Rantai
I always want to make sure even if I have a small amount of confusion ^.^
pieguyn
Salvage is acting odd, but I have a gut feeling Salvage isn't mafia. :?

random.org says 7! vote: DxS
Ivalset
Well, of course not, there aren't any mafia in this game period.
pieguyn
Oh lol, I meant wolf :P
Kiddo-Kun

Two wrote:

vote Kiddo-kun

not a random vote
And what is that reason exactly?
Two_old

Kiddo-Kun wrote:

Two wrote:

vote Kiddo-kun

not a random vote
And what is that reason exactly?
Posted: Mon Sep 19, 2011 11:05 am (21 hours ago)

that's why
Two_old
well our vigilante is asleep at the wheel

if you want to win this game easily, send me a PM and roleclaim
adam2046
This guy seems legit.
Two_old
yep, already got one

just need 10 more roleclaim pms
Two_old
9 more
Rantai
Wait what?

I am confuse.
Two_old
confused about what? 2 people have pm'd me a roleclaim

the concept is this:

1. mass claiming wins games

2. people don't mass claim because of possible negative side effects

3. mass claiming to 1 person, assuming that person is town, eliminates all negative side effects

4. the person claimed to can also act as a proxy, and so is a perfect fit for a civilian (to entice a night kill)

I need 9 more roleclaim pms
Sleep Powder
I don't really want to trust Two just yet. Wolves would benefit a whole lot from knowing who the roles are much more than a pro-town player.
The wolves will probably roleclaim as a vanilla townie/civilian in order to hide behind the few players that have to claim as that role or actually have that role. If everyone does roleclaim to you, wont' that raise suspicion to the wolves and get you NK'd? The Angel may or may not protect you depending on if they believe you're pro-town or not. Pro-town players will most likely give you correct roleclaims, so we don't need to worry about that.

Too much WIFOM!

If you were the vigilante, this would make this easier.
Salvage
unvote


I've never seen that PM the role thing , is that even doable? .. i find it hard to trust people if i'm not 100% sure they're town anyways , and D1 it's not helping much cause it's being really quiet .. the day seems long enough to get some conclusions tho , but it'll be better to seize it


I can't gather much infornation just yet about players .. i'll try to do my best when i can give my opinion .. but now there aren't lots of pots to get it.
Two_old

animask wrote:

I don't really want to trust Two just yet. Wolves would benefit a whole lot from knowing who the roles are much more than a pro-town player.
The only way you can believe I'm a wolf is if you believe either chris is human or we both are wolves. You only hint at being vigilante if you are a vigilante or you're a wolf. Hence, chris is a wolf.

So animask, you think we both are wolves? Explain your line of thinking.
bmin11
We are just assuming that Chris was hinting to be a Vig while there is still a possibility he could have different roles. I don't think it's right to think "This, thus that" at this point. So, I'm not sending my role to you until Chris confirms (and even that, I would feel comfortable to just send it to Chris)
Sleep Powder

Two wrote:

animask wrote:

I don't really want to trust Two just yet. Wolves would benefit a whole lot from knowing who the roles are much more than a pro-town player.
The only way you can believe I'm a wolf is if you believe either chris is human or we both are wolves. You only hint at being vigilante if you are a vigilante or you're a wolf. Hence, chris is a wolf.

So animask, you think we both are wolves? Explain your line of thinking.
There's no and/or option? I guess it makes sense with how Chris reacted. (Semi-meta) I've always thought Chris would play similar to how you do and expected him to be less direct about his role. There's the possibility of him being a wolf, but I'm not sure yet. bmin pretty much has the same reasoning as I do.
Two_old

bmin11 wrote:

So, I'm not sending my role to you until Chris confirms (and even that, I would feel comfortable to just send it to Chris)
until chris confirms what? he's not the vigilante lol
bmin11
Nvm I'm reading stuff wrong
Two_old
so you're gonna pm me your role? :)
Two_old
8 more roleclaim pms pls send them
adam2046
I refuse.

Unvote
Vote: Chris if that makes you feel any better.
Two_old
do you refuse for a reason
Two_old
23:15 Two hi
23:15 animask hi
23:16 Two so I have 3 roleclaims now on top of my own role
23:16 Two I need more
23:16 Two namely yours
23:17 Two why so afk
23:17 animask did the guardian angel agree to protect you in night so you don't get NK'd? so all of your work doesn't go to waste
^fishing for whether or not it's safe to kill me
23:17 Two no I don't know who that is
23:18 Two ok I answered your question
23:18 Two now you answer mine
23:18 Two what is your role ^_^
23:19 Two I'm thiiiis close to adding you to my confirmed wolf list
23:19 animask I don't really want to say...
^wolf
23:19 Two k bam
23:19 Two done
23:19 Two thx
I'd like to think the time he spent not answering me he spent trying to think of a roleclaim lie

wolf list:
Chris
animask

how many more will we find before day 2
adam2046

Two wrote:

do you refuse for a reason
I just don't roleclaim to non-confirmed people.
I'm not not about to change policy. Not even for you, Two.
pieguyn
I always find a lot less when out-of-thread discussion is allowed... >.<

On another note, I did roleclaim to Two. I hope this whole setup pays off~
Two_old
I guess that's all I'm going to get :/

vote chris everyone thx

unvote, vote chris
Two_old
prod everyone applicable thx
Topic Starter
LadySuburu

Two wrote:

prod everyone applicable thx
There are no prods in WWG, but feel free to send out your own prods to everyone. Remember, since out of thread communication is available you can do all of that yourself.

:D, Yay, I can be lazy.
Two_old
ok tell me which one is the vigilante and I will prod them myself
0_o
I don't see why you're targetting Chris, isn't vig is the one role you can can claim that actually makes you more likely to be town? There is no point in a wolf claiming vig since that's the only role that's actually mod-confirmable.

If it's because he's not willing to shoot somebody on Day 1 to prove it:

0_o wrote:

not everyone can shoot somebody D1 like you can, Two.
Two_old
why would a vigilante not shoot someone who claimed vigilante day 1? it makes no sense at all to me

chris made the mistake of hinting at being vigilante to get me off of his case and instead it confirmed him wolf
0_o

Two wrote:

why would a vigilante not shoot someone who claimed vigilante day 1? it makes no sense at all to me

chris made the mistake of hinting at being vigilante to get me off of his case and instead it confirmed him wolf
If somebody fakeclaimed vigilante then yes, the real vigilante should shoot him.

I'm saying that if Chris was indeed a wolf then why would he softclaim a role that is pretty much impossible to fakeclaim successfully?
Two_old
I said why, to get me off his back

I'm on msn all the time with him if I want to know his role I'm going to break him eventually

of course vigilante is a bad aux claim to make, but everyone can't be perfect all the time
Salvage
Sounds pretty logic to me , but since it's an almost-confirmed wolf , and i say almost cause maybe he's vigilante roleclaim it's true .. so , wouldn't it be better to find another wolf now and make the real vigilante , if there is another one , shoot him , if that doesn't happen i guess he can shoot someone and the mod will proove he's the real one .. i mean , we could use this lynch in a better way , that's my opinion.

I'll save my vote for now anyways.
Two_old
salvage it's you or chris being lynched

if you aren't a wolf, voting for him is a no-brainer
Salvage
Lynch me if you feel you can save one day doing so , i'm just telling you the best option in my opinion , we have 3 more days to find more evicende on a safe lynch , Chris it's an easy thing to solve as i said before .. why waste 1 lynch like this? If he's the real vig it wouldn't be worth it .. and if he's not it just takes 1 night to figure it out.



Two wrote:

if you aren't a wolf, voting for him is a no-brainer

Didn't understand that btw.
Chris_old
unvote, vote Two
Two_old
salvage: why would we lynch anyone else when they could be a power role?
Salvage
Why are we talking of the same thing over and over? it's like im answering your same questions al the time , reread my posts pls.


The reason it's just obvious , the almost confirmed wolf that can't be faked leads to the chance to seize this D1 lynching another wolf and prooving chris innocence , if he's the vig we have a confirmed town and one probabbly well used lynch here.
Two_old
ok you're going to need someone to translate your posts
Two_old
and mine apparently, to you
DeathxShinigami
Just saying that Two didn't buy my roleclaim even though it's 100% true. :P
Two_old
not sure what your post was for but yeah I don't buy it
Two_old
foulcoon, kiddo-kun, deathxshinigami - ignored me

animask, salvage, adam - refused to claim

I also have supposedly 4 total civilian claims

first of all, I want to say that I hate you all

second, I want to say that I hate the vigilante for being horrible (shoot chris pls)

third, why the hell are some of you trying to lie and say civilian, come on now

both animask and salvage brought up the guardian angel when talking to me - werewolf tell

animask and salvage both refused to claim - werewolf tell

salvage even went so far as to say that he wouldn't claim even if town was going to waste a lynch on him

as far as adam refusing to claim, he also refused to claim for absolutely no reason in the last wwg so it doesn't say much at this point except he is bad

oh and there's more than that that I'm not going to say at the moment


I'll give you all about 12 hours to roleclaim or correct a roleclaim you've given me
adam2046

Two wrote:

I'll give you all about 12 hours to roleclaim or correct a roleclaim you've given me
You don't dictate when I claim.

Also, people should be in IRC. What is this? Mafia?
Sleep Powder
Two: He is probably playing this werewolf game like his other ones. I guess I still find him weird since I've never really liked him in any of the games. I normally don't like roleclaiming on Day 1 so I'm going to possibly roleclaim on Day 2 unless something comes up. His aggressiveness makes me think he is a civilian due to him pressing on everybody so far.

Chris: Two finds him suspicious for hinting at being vigilante. The only role that can be mod confirmed. Two said he would confirm his role. It's possible that he meant confirming his role in a loose way (like claiming and giving results).

Salvage: I think he might actually be a civilian even though he was been playing with a lot of scum tells. If he's not that good at this game, he'll have to learn somehow.

Everyone else needs to talk mor---... No, you guys should post chat logs instead.

If I get NK'd, Two is probably the one to blame.

Vote: Chris

Seems to be the most suspicious to me besides Two. I think Two & Chris could be wolves. After Two hooks everyone in with roleclaims, he'll make everyone think that he is a civilian and kill all the good roles. Two is the most... aggressive and information seeking so he seems innocent for now.
Sleep Powder
When I said "most", I meant more innocent than Chris.
Lilac
Vote: Chris.

Fair enough.
Salvage

Two wrote:

salvage even went so far as to say that he wouldn't claim even if town was going to waste a lynch on him

Yeah that's not true, quote the PM's if you want .. i told you i'm not roleclaiming till i find you 100% trustable. :)


I just woke up btw.


vote: Chris



Chris wrote:

yay bandwagon
foulcoon
Sorry for not posting guys, I'm lacking internet at home right now for reasons unknown and I've been at work a lot with a stripped down workstation as I typically work via remote desktop (lol can't do that with no internet at home). << direct copy from other mafia game thread.

Basically I'm going to refuse to claim at this point in time as well. I get that mass role-claim's win games for town but with 4 civillian claims and 3 refusing to claim I find it highly unlikely everyone is telling the truth. There's also the possiblity that Two isn't who he seems.

Two: Is that 4 civilian claims other than yourself? Because I would find those people pretty fucking suspicious.

Also: can someone please show me where Chris said he was the vigilante?

Also also: FoS: Salvage, really dude? you might possibly be the worst werewolf ever LOL.

on second thought, fuck the FoS.

Vote: Salvage
foulcoon

animask wrote:

Seems to be the most suspicious to me besides Two. I think Two & Chris could be wolves. After Two hooks everyone in with roleclaims, he'll make everyone think that he is a civilian and kill all the good roles. Two is the most... aggressive and information seeking so he seems innocent for now.
I just saw this. What the fuck?
Two_old
I'm not going to find the post where chris claimed vigilante as I'm lazy and that's your job, but I will say this:

what makes you think your role is so special foulcoon? I already "know" the identity of numerous power role holders, and even if you don't have one it would behoove you, for the sake of the town, to tell me your role
foulcoon

Two wrote:

if I had to guess your role
I would say
Wolf Scaremongerer
Christopher says:
do you want me to confirm it
a says:
confirm what
Christopher says:
my role
a says:
are you roleclaiming vigilante
Christopher says:
lol
a says:
yes?
Christopher says:
I'm not roleclaiming anything you wolf
found it

I don't think he claimed he was the vigilante, I think you just saw it that way in your own mind and he went with it to fuck with you (that or he was just being a smartass saying he would confirm to you that he was the scaremonger).

And as far as roleclaiming to you goes, I have my reasons and if you can't respect that then I'll let you find me suspicious for now. I know you think you have "confirmed power roles" claimed to you but you can never been sure.
Two_old
found it

I don't think he claimed he was the vigilante, I think you just saw it that way in your own mind and he went with it to fuck with you (that or he was just being a smartass saying he would confirm to you that he was the scaremonger).

And as far as roleclaiming to you goes, I have my reasons and if you can't respect that then I'll let you find me suspicious for now. I know you think you have "confirmed power roles" claimed to you but you can never been sure.
ok your post is hilarious

lets start with chris: he says that and then even after all I've said, says absolutely nothing in the thread to defend himself and then just votes for me

sounds real town foulcoon, with you on the case, we'll be sure to know everyone by day 2

yeah I can't respect your reasons for not claiming when you don't even realize that I put 'know' in quotation marks in my post, the point is that the only way to -know- is to have people actually claim to me

the fact is there is no town reason to not roleclaim to me, and so you are either dim or a werewolf
foulcoon
classic, Two. I'm the dim one.

why don't you and your other 4 civilian friends have a tea party.
Two_old
why don't you and your 3 werewolf friends just forfeit this game since it's impossible for you to win
foulcoon
this sounds a lot like PyP
Two_old
not following
foulcoon
forcing a mass role-claim and eventually losing the game.

I obviously lied in that game and managed to survive for days for reasons I still don't understand today.

and by you and your civilian friends I meant you and the 3-4 wolves who claimed civilian to you.
Two_old

foulcoon wrote:

forcing a mass role-claim and eventually losing the game.

I obviously lied in that game and managed to survive for days for reasons I still don't understand today.

and by you and your civilian friends I meant you and the 3-4 wolves who claimed civilian to you.
if you really want to bring that up, let's point out a few things

1. there was a serial killer who won by killing certain roles, is there one in this game? no

2. that setup was horrible

3. I knew you lied, you knew I knew you lied, not sure why you are trying to argue that me being right all the time makes me wrong

4. town actually did share a win with serial killer that game, unlike you and your team who once again lost

care to explain why you are glossing over chris' incriminating lack of activity? how about the fact that you are targeting someone who is both new, has a language barrier, and no "political" sway? what about being afraid to roleclaim to me since you've already insinuated you aren't a civilian and don't want to risk claiming a duplicate power role?
foulcoon
I never insinuated I was or was not any role. If I were a civilian why would I tell you lest I risk claiming the 5th duplicate of a role in a 14 person game? If I were a power role why would I claim to someone who I can't confirm town just because other people did?

I'm just not sure about you this game. Why rolefish day 1, focus on me after you THINK you've already pegged mafia member, and not hunt the other people who first refused to claim. Salvage seems to speak english pretty well enough to want to play a game like this, and he seems pretty freaking scummy to me. As for Chris' inactivity, sorry, I wasn't in on this as I've been without internet / not reading this forum or IRC for a while now.

Also why bring up your half-win like its some sort of accomplishment. Its called a pity award given to the 2nd place losers. In the end only bmin won. Don't fool yourself into thinking you won that game. P.S. - Chris' role in that game was hilarious, and the hosting was incredible. Also my mafia team in that game was retarded, not much I could do.
Two_old
first part of your post is trash so I'm ignoring it



foulcoon wrote:

Also why bring up your half-win like its some sort of accomplishment. Its called a pity award given to the 2nd place losers. In the end only bmin won. Don't fool yourself into thinking you won that game.
you have a pretty short memory...

foulcoon wrote:

forcing a mass role-claim and eventually losing the game.

foulcoon wrote:

and the hosting was incredible.
v

foulcoon wrote:

In other news, I think the setup could have been more fair with another mafia member. Also without a theme that makes it obvious with a mass role-claim who the possible mafia (or in this case BAT) are.

foulcoon wrote:

As for Chris' inactivity, sorry, I wasn't in on this as I've been without internet / not reading this forum or IRC for a while now.
Reason why you aren't voting for him now is...?
Salvage
Yeah my english is fine , i'd just love to hear why you think i seem pretty freaking scummy to you ..
foulcoon
Mainly because I didn't want to hammer someone without reading the thread as I've been away.

Also why are you browsing as invisible, any reason you wouldn't want people to know you're reading the thread? Its funny because in most games you're the person who copies the "Users browsing this forum:" and makes lurkers post or seem scummy.
Salvage
It's cause i don't roleclaim? You're not doing it neither for the same reasons i said i'm not doing it .. so you're pretty freaking scummy then?.


Explain.
Two_old
I've been browsing as invisible since before this game started. Nice try though.

Like I said, it's impossible for werewolves to win this game. It really doesn't matter to me in the long run if you're a wolf or not, it's just boring when people refuse to make the game interesting by not risking a claim.
foulcoon
I don't know the game seemed pretty dormant before I came back. I feel like I'm making the game more interesting.

And for the invisible browsing thing I just thought it was hilarious that you feel the need to be invisible. Hell, if everyone playing mafia games went invisible maybe you'd be right about who was mafia more often because you wouldn't always pressure lurkers.
Two_old
and I find your deflection hilarious so at least we can do these things for each other
foulcoon
dinner tonight?
Two_old
just to really drive this home

foulcoon wrote:

Mainly because I didn't want to hammer someone without reading the thread as I've been away.
yet foulcoon felt ok with voting for salvage without reading the thread

Lynch order:
1. Chris
2. foulcoon
3. Kiddo-Kun
4. adam2046
5. Salvage

Want to change my mind? Roleclaim/correct your roleclaim.
foulcoon
nah that lynch order looks okay to me.
adam2046

Two wrote:

Lynch order:
1. Chris
2. foulcoon
3. Kiddo-Kun
4. adam2046
5. Salvage
So I can make it to day 4?
Cool beans.
Two_old
yes
Chris_old
lynch Two
pieguyn
unvote vote: Chris

I always end up doing a lot less when out-of-thread discussion is allowed >.<//
Rantai
Vote: Chris

I don't know what to believe anymore.
Lilac
It's not what to believe.

D1 in a Werewolf is probably the most abstract thing ever. One reason is that it's so open and the fact that no discussion taking place at all and just votes being placed is probably how it is. There's nothing to go on unless you do something on your own initiative.

Which is why people are just blindly following Two because he's the only influential poster thus far. I'm pretty sure someone else is doing work behind the scenes as well, werewolf or not.

Also, a lynch can tell a lot of things. Unless of course...you lynch the coroner. Like a dumbass.
Two_old
no I'm pretty sure I'm really the only one doing work
Chris_old
two is wolf
adam2046

Chris wrote:

two is wolf
I am convinced.

I do hope it turns out that no one is actually roleclaiming to Two and he's just doing this to get the roles of people who just follow along.
Because that would be far more interesting.
Salvage
The good thing is that we can notice if that's actually the case with D1 lynch and that's a lot of information for D1 .. cause we can get lot's of town confirmations if that's the case .. if not 1 wolf confirmed? idk.
adam2046

Salvage wrote:

The good thing is that we can notice if that's actually the case with D1 lynch and that's a lot of information for D1 .. cause we can get lot's of town confirmations if that's the case .. if not 1 wolf confirmed? idk.
What?
Salvage
If we lynch a wolf .. would you say Two did all of this to lynch one of his teammates? .. I'm just saying that if that's the case we can trust him , and with that , all the confirmed towns he says we could have with the roleclaims given to him? .. If not then he's wolf , simple as that.


I'm sorry for explaining like shit .. i do my best D:
Two_old
there's like 12 hours left btw
adam2046

Salvage wrote:

If we lynch a wolf .. would you say Two did all of this to lynch one of his teammates?
Yes.
Two_old
that's so amateur and it's insulting you think that little of me
Two_old
ok well here is where I stand:

vigilante, priest, mad scientist, samurai, unknown celebrity, and insomniac

^ those are the roles currently claimed to me

if you are one of the above roles and a wolf claimed your role, or are the seer/psychic/guardian angel/coroner, please let me know thx
Topic Starter
LadySuburu
Maybe Accurate votecount:

Chris (8) - adam2046, Two, animask, Lilac, Salvage, pieguy, Rantai, 0_o

Two (2) - bmin11, Chris

Salvage (2?) - Dxs, foulcoon

Edit: Added in the new vote from 0_o.
0_o
vote Chris
Salvage
So many people lurking <.<.


How many votes are needed to the lynch? ..
Rantai
Just a majority at sundown, if I read correctly.
Salvage

LadySuburu wrote:

Salvage (1) - Dxs, foulcoon

.


what
Salvage

Salvage wrote:

How many votes are needed to the lynch? ..


"14:09 LS WWG has no automatic lynches and time isn't up yet"


nvm.
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