20:43 Agka: hey bobbias, can you do a mod of workaholic? i want to get it ranked c:
20:43 Agka: so i'm going all out
20:43 Bobbias: i can try.... but i dunno if i can find anything i'd actually want changed lol
20:44 Agka: you will on the easier diffs
20:44 Agka: they're too hard
20:44 Agka:
20:44 Bobbias: ... I'm probably not a good judge of "too hard" for anything
20:44 Bobbias: my view is if somethign is too hard for you you're not working hard enough at improving
20:46 Bobbias: i love your descritions of each difficulty lol
20:49 Agka: heh
20:49 Bobbias: lol, can't pass insane at my normal speed because of that SV change
20:49 Agka: think the following
20:49 Bobbias: i tried though at least
20:49 Agka: novice needs to be an entry-level diff
20:49 Agka: where a complete beginner should be able to do it
20:49 Bobbias: i noticed the slowdown there felt a bit odd
20:49 Agka: an sv change in novice?
20:49 Agka: weird
20:49 Bobbias: no, i was on insane
20:50 Bobbias: because i didn't feel like boreing myself to death playing through the easier diffs just yet (before i actually sit down and go through them in the editor)
20:51 Agka: ah
20:51 Agka: i changed the sv changes
20:51 Agka: so they were not as deathmoon-ish
20:51 Agka: aka annoying
20:51 Agka: i learnt my lesson
20:51 Bobbias: lol
20:52 Bobbias: slowdown at 1:44:730 to 1:45:821 feels... a bit odd
20:52 Bobbias: (in insane)
20:53 Agka: let me see
20:53 Agka: i have a justification for it
20:53 Agka: but if it's too subtle it needs to go
20:53 Bobbias: yeah, i get why it's there
20:53 Bobbias: i like that you put one there
20:54 Bobbias: but something about the timing of it feels weird, since it begins before you hear the change in the music
20:54 Bobbias: also, brb
20:54 Agka: hmm..
21:01 Bobbias: ok, back, sorry about that
21:01 Agka: no need to be sorry
21:01 Agka: louis finds the sv changes are still a bit too much
21:01 Bobbias: well, 2x sv on 220 BPM is a BIT fast lol
21:01 Agka: didn't use anything above 1.5 on extended sections
21:02 Agka: only for bumps
21:02 Bobbias: oh, lol, i didn't check too much into it
21:02 Bobbias: but regardless, i'd definitely have to drop my speed down a bit to be able to survive them
21:02 Agka: talked to rickyboi and he thought they were pretty cool instead of annoying, so hmm..
21:02 Bobbias: i like the idea
21:02 Agka: yeah hopefully you don't have to make the rest of the song unreadable though
21:02 Agka: unlike before
21:02 Agka: ... hopefully
21:03 Bobbias: well i played it at speed 11, which is what i usually play 220 at and died on the long fast part
21:03 Agka: so with woc and those the solution seems to be a 6th diff btw on the easier end
21:03 Agka: recently?
21:03 Agka: i just updated the map from 1.7x ending to 1.2
21:03 Bobbias: when? i just re-DL'd it after you asked me to check it
21:03 Agka: i have to know to see if it still is a bit too much
21:04 Agka: ohh
21:04 Agka: now.. hmm.
21:04 Bobbias: i had the old one where you just had the insane+nosv insane
21:04 Agka: so 1.25 IS too much
21:04 Agka: how tough..
21:04 Agka: btw hard is basically a for-humans insane
21:04 Agka: same pacing, similar diff, but toned down so people that aren't ridiculously skilled (but still very skilled) can probably FC it
21:05 Agka: that was my goal
21:05 Bobbias: let me go back and nofail and test what i'd have to set my speed at to read the fast section
21:05 Agka: for people that wanted to play insane, but couldn't I set up normal. For others that the jumps were too hard, i set up easy.
21:05 Agka: For people who had issues with that, I set up novice- but that's not enough
21:05 Agka: I have to make a fr-people-that-can't-read difficulty
21:09 Agka: hmm...
21:09 Agka: just bumped up diff names
21:10 Bobbias: ok, so i can pass insane on speed 9
21:10 Bobbias: my acc suffers a bit on the slower stuff, but it's still very playable
21:10 Bobbias: i'm just shit at reading below my comfort zone
21:10 Agka: hmm...
21:10 Bobbias: re-dling for new diff names
21:11 Agka: ~
21:11 Bobbias: also, at lower scroll speed those slowdowns feel fine
21:11 Agka: so there's an improvement
21:12 Bobbias: yeah, i think it's just because at higher speeds, the slowdown feels slower (since it's just multiplying the scroll speed, the actual reduction in speed is greater at higher speeds)
21:12 Bobbias: yeah, i think it's just because at higher speeds, the slowdown feels slower (since it's just multiplying the scroll speed, the actual reduction in speed is greater at higher speeds)
21:16 Agka: yeah
21:16 Agka: probably
21:17 Bobbias: ok just played your easy, for a novice diff you should reduce the number of chords
21:17 Agka: aite, what else? those recommended using 2/1 beats
21:17 Bobbias: switching between those chords like that is hard for new players (i remember having a lot of trouble with multiple chords in a row)
21:18 Agka: and ktg i think suggested using the spacebar very little
21:18 Agka: nvm it was nouk
21:18 Agka: still!
21:18 Bobbias: i'd definitely use the spacebar a bit less, (though not necessarily too much less, if you take it out of most of the chords that use the spacebar). i'd try to stick to
21:18 Bobbias: i'd definitely use the spacebar a bit less, (though not necessarily too much less, if you take it out of most of the chords that use the spacebar). i'd try to stick to
21:19 Bobbias: bleh
21:19 Agka: yeah not remove the spacebar completely
21:19 Agka: hmm
21:19 Bobbias: i'd try to stick to the simple beat pattern you stuck with most of it
21:21 Bobbias: yeah, sticking to 2/1 beats is probaby a good idea for the novice chart
21:21 Agka: so i have a few pointers
21:21 Agka: i should be waiting for a few couple more opinions and i'd be set
21:21 Agka: (yours is great but more feedback isn't bad at all)
21:21 Bobbias: i think the Easy is fine for an easy though if you have a novice to go with it
21:22 Agka: hmm
21:22 Bobbias: gonna try the normal and hard as well, see if i can find anything to mention
21:27 Bobbias: the normal seems like it should be pretty fun once someone has the basics down a bit
21:28 Agka: yeah
21:28 Agka: fortunately that's its role
21:28 Bobbias: i'm asking HanzeR to play the easier diffs so we can get a viewpoint from someone who is pretty new to mania
21:29 Agka: tyvm
21:29 Agka: this is definitely kudosu worthy
21:29 Agka: just saying
21:29 Bobbias: cool
21:33 Bobbias: ok i noticed a section in the hard that felt like i was playing 5k
21:34 Agka: yikes
21:35 Agka: point it so i can fix it
21:35 Agka: old hard or new hard?
21:35 Bobbias: new hard
21:35 Bobbias: gimme a minute in the editor to find it
21:36 Bobbias: fun fact this is your first note in the far right column: 00:35:048 (35048|6)
21:36 Agka: yike
21:37 Bobbias: and hanzer says he keeps failing the ending of hard
21:37 Agka: hard is a culmination on players' ability to 2k
21:37 Agka: basic chordstreaming
21:39 Bobbias: from around here 00:48:002 (48002|2) - to 00:57:275 (57275|5) - there are no notes on either of the far left or right columns and there are only a few random notes here and there until 00:57:275 (57275|5,97093|2) -
21:39 Bobbias: from around here 00:48:002 (48002|2) - to 00:57:275 (57275|5) - there are no notes on either of the far left or right columns and there are only a few random notes here and there until 00:57:275 (57275|5,97093|2) -
21:39 Bobbias: bleh
21:39 Bobbias: 00:57:275 (57275|5,97093|2) - there
21:39 Bobbias: gah
21:39 Bobbias: it's not pasting
21:39 Agka: (you said didn't know how to mod, we'll you're so wrong
21:39 Agka: heheh
21:39 Bobbias: 01:37:093 (97093|1,97093|2) -
21:40 Bobbias: there, from 48 seconds to about 1:37 there are just a few notes on the far columns, overall, they feel a bit unused for that section
21:40 Bobbias: after that it picks up and feels much more balanced
21:41 Agka: new hard then, aite..
21:44 Bobbias: testing new insane
21:48 Agka: aite
21:48 Agka: louis fc'd insane
21:48 Agka: the new insane that is
21:48 Bobbias: i just got 80 misses and an A on it
21:49 Agka: heh
21:49 Bobbias: I'm bad at chords where 1 or 2 keys end up like jackhammers
21:49 Agka: that's the whole ability behind the higher diffs
21:49 Bobbias: but it's good practice for that sort of thing
21:49 Agka: what makes it hard etc
21:51 Bobbias: 01:34:912 (94912|1,94912|2,94912|3) - stuff like right after that lol I'm awful at comboing stuff like that
21:52 Bobbias: but it's good practice for that kind of thing, which is something i need
21:52 Bobbias: (i'l probably play it with hardrock or something so it's actually hard to pass)
21:53 Bobbias: but it does feel fairly balanced between the keys, and doesn't feel like it is designed *just* to be hard (it feels like it fits the music really well)
21:54 Agka: the song really feels like a stomp in a few parts
21:54 Agka: so i wanted to recreate that
21:54 Bobbias: yeah and you did
21:55 Bobbias: i feel like it's hard to map speedcore well, but this works nicely
21:55 Agka: bpm is an issue tbh
21:55 Agka: it'd be way more enjoyable with ~30 less bpm
21:56 Bobbias: i dunno, i like it
21:57 Bobbias: hm, HanzeR just passed the insane and said he felt the drain should be higher
21:57 Bobbias: Drain 4? wow
21:57 Bobbias: looks like that needs to be fixed
21:58 Agka: huh
21:58 Agka: yeah
21:58 Bobbias: i wouldnt have noticed that lol
21:58 Agka: yeah
22:02 Bobbias: well, i don't think i have anything more to say about your chart, other than that it's a lot of fun
22:02 Agka: yeah, post it for some well earned kd
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