So there's really no guidelines for what NSFW counts as, and I've seen variance throughout every modder.

I'd like to get some guideline as to what certain aspects cannot be included in a map's background/video.

Anything explicit is automatically out, but then we go into stuff that would be marked "questionable" and even some "safe" stuff on most image sites.

For instance, let's look at this map: https://osu.ppy.sh/s/235274

Can this be considered NSFW? There's nothing explicit about the image, absolutely nothing is shown about the women's special happy parts except that they have breasts (which is like let's censor all women that have breasts like srs). Some people say it is, some people say it isn't.

The biggest map I've experienced this with was stuff like this: https://osu.ppy.sh/s/113254

I've had talks with Ephemeral and a bunch of other BATs at the time, but there seems to be no consistency in what qualifies an image as unsafe for the game.

So we should probably clarify that at some point.

I seriously don't understand how for example girls in swimsuits can be considered NSFW. Visit pool or turn on TV and you see the same lol.

Here's another recent case of supposed "NSFW" imagery causing an unrank, https://osu.ppy.sh/s/203784

The current version has some scribbles, but I'll provide the image here for discussion sake.

To be quite honest, the term not safe for work implies that ANY of the content on this game is safe for work. I wouldn't even display the christmas menu backgrounds at work, let alone any of the map backgrounds, but that's not the point. The line has to be drawn somewhere, but where? Is it going to get to the point where any image showing skin (regardless of the location) will be considered not safe for work? As long as there's clothing, and nothing is displayed in a sexually suggestive manner, there should be no problem (Hint, the bg on TKS' map isn't sexually suggestive)

How the hell did No Dap get this ranked https://osu.ppy.sh/s/189178 while Guy had to change this https://osu.ppy.sh/s/143340

And don't forget most eroge videos are kept even if they have a couple ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°) scenes..

Some solid limits could be defined for sure lol. Personally I thought a 12+/15+/18+ warning for the BG, video, or lyrics would suffice and we need not worry too much about forbidding actual content outside of explicit things.

if you wanna get super technical, those were ranked before the QAT/BAT system was enacted.

But are we just making it a rule that beach scenes are unrankable or?

To be honest, I thought this was common sense.

Well it generally goes off common sense. Like, if something is sexually suggestive, it's bye bye

But the issue is that stuff that ISN'T neccesarily suggestive is being censored, and that's totally fine, but there NEEDS to be some standards to it.

I'm not gonna fight for anime titties, but I'm gonna fight for the right to know if my anime titties are rankable or not.

There has to be a distinguished boundary between images that are overtly sexualized and those that celebrate the beauty of the body. There are images that are obviously looking to raise masts but there are ones out there that let the masts appreciate the ocean view (did that even make sense I'm high).

IMO a huge chunk of the playerbase has seen what an anime titty or two looks like, I think its fair enough to allow certain things to some degree. Lach states it pretty well - as long as theres clothing that covers what needs to be covered and the image isn't too sexual in any manner it should be fine.

Yo I'd love a clarification as well and a steady rule for what is allowed and what is not.

Though this topic could go on forever based on subjective views it would be nice to have a range we can safely work with, cuz, well, I have seen some bongerz unranks and some bongerz BGs that have passed the qualifications.

Well... Costumes like bikini should be fine, naked shouldn't

marcostudios wrote:

Well... Costumes like bikini should be fine, naked shouldn't

Basically....unless if the bikini (or pantsu) is too skimpy that it barely covers any parts.
About nudity, this map should probably be the gap.

CDFA wrote:

I'm not gonna fight for anime titties, but I'm gonna fight for the right to know if my anime titties are rankable or not.

That was beautiful

Lust wrote:

There has to be a distinguished boundary between images that are overtly sexualized and those that celebrate the beauty of the body. There are images that are obviously looking to raise masts but there are ones out there that let the masts appreciate the ocean view (did that even make sense I'm high).

IMO a huge chunk of the playerbase has seen what an anime titty or two looks like, I think its fair enough to allow certain things to some degree. Lach states it pretty well - as long as theres clothing that covers what needs to be covered and the image isn't too sexual in any manner it should be fine.

Well the thing is you can't deny that drawing anime girls in bikinis was intended to be anything but sexual...

players decide what maps to download, and therefore decides whether a map is nsfw or not
how, you ask? that tiny map preview in their listing page, it's tiny but it works so it works
if it is nsfw and they still wanted to play the map they could just dim the bg or simply replace it

all the mappers need to do is to provide a somewhat matching background, are they? if it turned out to be nsfw but it matches, why not?
oh and the rest is pretty much common sense actually

The sad thing is that most of the maps with the scantily-clad drawn girls probably have a much better option available to use - why people fight so hard against a more suitable alternative boggles the mind.

In general, as described before - sexual suggestiveness is out. Some of the more questionable ones like the "chance" cleavage shots are probably going to always be hit or miss as far as consistency is concerned with judgement. Again, this can be easily avoided if you simply use a more general-audience-friendly image to begin with.

I don't even understand why is it such a big deal to allow CLEAVAGES and BIKINIS that you can see on the beach or as for cleavages on the streets in broad daylight even as a 5 year old walking with their mom holding each other's hands. Are we that sexually insecure? Let's just photoshop a freaking burqa on every FEMALE character (because topless males are totally fine for some reason) so we are safer than a pack of birth control pills bundled with condoms.

Also I feel like this only occurs when the breasts are somewhat big. If you censor those, censor smaller breasts too. Treat all breasts equally.

_verto_ wrote:

Also I feel like this only occurs when the breasts are somewhat big. If you censor those, censor smaller breasts too. Treat all breasts equally.

+1

Stella wrote:

_verto_ wrote:

Also I feel like this only occurs when the breasts are somewhat big. If you censor those, censor smaller breasts too. Treat all breasts equally.

+1

this.

well osu! is a game that was intended for like 13+ i think? and u know... the government and parents and sht doesn't want sexually suggestive things. even if peppy doesn't really care about this himself, it's gotta be done.

on the other hand i really don't think there's anything wrong with the current.

it's just like pantsu = no and bikini = acceptable right?

I dont know why BGs in some maps are not deleted yet, people complain about anime gurl in bikini, but no1 is complaining about that kind of maps https://osu.ppy.sh/s/185753 (and there is more stuff with that kind of BGs).

Anyone is checking it to keep it save from things like in above example?

Tidek wrote:

I dont know why BGs in some maps are not deleted yet, people complain about anime gurl in bikini, but no1 is complaining about that kind of maps https://osu.ppy.sh/s/185753 (and there is more stuff with that kind of BGs).

Anyone is checking it to keep it save from things like in above example?

That's because that map isn't even ranked (and it's graved) so nobody even notices maps like those
using that as comparison isn't even a valid argument

Kibbleru wrote:

this.

well osu! is a game that was intended for like 13+ i think? and u know... the government and parents and sht doesn't want sexually suggestive things. even if peppy doesn't really care about this himself, it's gotta be done.

on the other hand i really don't think there's anything wrong with the current.

it's just like pantsu = no and bikini = acceptable right?

yeah. it doesn't matter for play. man who dislike the bg, players can just dim and do that

are you guys FOR REAL
no points are made just by talking about breast sizes and bikini shit censorship god damnit
y'all just basically going super technical on unimportant things

p/3599741

Why is all talking about boobs and things .-. Remeber to that gore is NSFW too

Quick theres a catoon character in a bikini, someone censor it.

because the anime we all watch doesn't have fanservice of any kind does it. Nope.

nsfw is related to nudity and profanity in general. If people are going to be nazi over silly things like this then you need to delete a lot of songs as well. Of course theres no reason not to allow anything that isn't law breaking (except the illegal music ahem) and just place a warning on the beat map page...If anything the current rules should be relaxed as it's not needed.

WOOB22 wrote:

Why is all talking about boobs and things .-. Remeber to that gore is NSFW too

well who the fuck puts gore in a bg like

gore is a much easier discussion. It's a lot easier to go like "HOLY SHIT IS THAT HIS LOWER INTESTINE" without much question. However, sexuality has a lot more of a gray area.

lol gore
*ehem*
Anyway....

If watercolour got ranked with 2 nude people in the bg, then I don't see why anything else can't.... J/S bro >:

/me runs

we can't ban boobs that's why people download the map!

we need anime boobs,boobs are love,boobs are life

Kuro wrote:

lol gore
*ehem*
Anyway....

If watercolour got ranked with 2 nude people in the bg, then I don't see why anything else can't.... J/S bro >:

/me runs

Well that's an entirely different discussion altogether because that's considered artistic nudity. It's not really portrayed in a sexual sense, it's just a portrayal of the human body. It also does not show any genitalia (As artistic nudity showing genitalia would probably be shot down regardless of its meaning).

A lot of the NSFW stuff that's we're discussing now isn't neccesarily artistic, but there's debate about weather it's actually NSFW or not.

Thank you, you gave me the answer I was hoping you'd say. However, if that is most definitely the consensus the BATs came to, something like that should have been edited into the rules.

As for this discussion....
A few of the DQ's that I've seen because of questionable BGs were mostly over small things like cleavage. However, that trend only seemed to happen when the boobs in question were larger than a B cup. I hope this doesn't lead to a silly rule that limits breast size in BGs.

Anyway....
In my opinion, any amount of cleavage should be fine unless the boobs in question are larger than anything that would be humanly possible. This also applies as long as nipples are *covered* as well.
And I use the word "covered" in a literal sense because sometimes nipples can be "seen" through clothing and that could ignite a heated debate. No, I'm not talking about see-through clothing. See-through clothing is obviously a no no in osu! because "OMG, THINK OF THE CHILDREN". I mean it could be as simple as seeing the outline of them against clothing, which should be fine. At that point, you can't really call it out because you "think" you can discern what looks to be nipples but could really be anything. You just look like a nazi at that point.

As for the other problem I see....
A bikini covers just as little skin as a bra and panties would. There's no difference so what's the problem? As long as her face doesn't give me a "come fuck me" look, it should be fine as well.

That's my 2 cents on this matter.


Off-topic: lol ozzy, word from the wise bro

After speaking to some others and gathering a few opinions, the general consensus seemed to be if you had to ask if it was NSFW, then it probably already is. So if you have any doubts over its "rankability" then its best to suggest a different background. Although my opinion remains the same (the one I posted earlier)

CptBlackBird wrote:

we need anime boobs,boobs are love,boobs are life

OzzyOzrock wrote:

we can't ban boobs that's why people download the map!

+∞

no NSFW BG in osu pls

Lust wrote:

After speaking to some others and gathering a few opinions, the general consensus seemed to be if you had to ask if it was NSFW, then it probably already is. So if you have any doubts over its "rankability" then its best to suggest a different background. Although my opinion remains the same (the one I posted earlier)

That's a really stupid way to think about it, as what would be questionable to one person may not be questionable to another as it depends largely on where you're raised and who by. What could be considered tasteful in one country may be widely considered "sick filth" in another more conservative country.

There is no way to objectively rule images as safe or not safe for work. If you, personally, are in doubt about an image being borderline inappropriate (especially as a BAT or QAT) then you should gather more opinions than one or two. Especially if those two are from extremely conservative regions, in which case you should ask people from other cultures/regions.

I suggest we use fapability as a guidance. If you can fap to it, then it's not rankable. (But some of you might fap to girls in bikini)

Why don't we have a list of what is acceptable or not? Use this as an example

V = acceptable, X = not acceptable
Bikinis and male swimsuit V
Skimpy bikinis (ones that barely/only covers private parts) and skimpy male underwear X
See through underwear beneath V
See through no underwear beneath X
Pantsu V
Boxers V
Lingerie X
Hand bra X
Cleavage V
Cameltoe and male equivalent X
Things that seem to be nipples, but the character is still clothed X
Side boob V
Under boob V
Too much boob X
Too much ass X
Ahegao X
Girls/guys blushing and panting X
Nipples and genitalia X
etc

Now someone tell if best BG in 2014 is NSFW or not

piruchan wrote:

I suggest we use fapability as a guidance. If you can fap to it, then it's not rankable. (But some of you might fap to girls in bikini)

Why don't we have a list of what is acceptable or not? Use this as an example

V = acceptable, X = not acceptable
Bikinis and male swimsuit V
Skimpy bikinis (ones that barely/only covers private parts) and skimpy male underwear X
See through underwear beneath V
See through no underwear beneath X
Pantsu V
Boxers V
Lingerie X
Hand bra X
Cleavage V
Cameltoe and male equivalent X
Things that seem to be nipples, but the character is still clothed X
Side boob V
Under boob V
Too much boob X
Too much ass X
Ahegao X
Girls/guys blushing and panting X
Nipples and genitalia X
etc

Now someone tell if best BG in 2014 is NSFW or not

Kinda stupid and off topic, but I think it would work

Maybe we need someone who is capable of deciding if BGs are NSFW or not. He/she must have a reasonable approach to this matter. This person doesn't check backgrounds on his/her own will, mappers and BATs come to him/her if they have a questionable BG on their hands. He/she must be able to give clear reasons to each judgment and maybe set a criteria of what is acceptable and not.

Pantsu is yes????
LOL is no lol

Anyway, This rule need change. If not a have a idea in BG, trying use nature BG~
or like this:
https://osu.ppy.sh/s/220844

Anyway, i don't care about BG~
I care about rhythm and song~

To be honest, nothing's gonna ever change from what I have seen so far.

Let's talk about this map https://osu.ppy.sh/s/15430
If you open the video (recommended in video player, not osu!, because that will mess up a timing a bit) on 1:42, you can clearly see the girl is holding a penis in her hand and holds it near the mouth (also to mention, she's most probably a loli, what's considered as a child porn in some states, so basically, who downloaded this could have downloaded stuff he can be arrested for without a warning, yay!). That map was never unranked. Because it is "too old" or because it cannot be told what she holds (obviously it's not when you zoom it to your monitor's resolution while the resolution is many times smaller)? If we consider age of the map, we should not remove other NSFW things so it can be fair to all people, both to this map and people who would get their maps removed (for example my map because of having pu**y in song tile) I do not think any justice was used here. If you make a murder, you are not forgiven after few years, you still did a murder. So we shall probably start removing maps and judge what's NSFW after we apply justice to maps which are really NSFW, not questionable. Obviously, not even the fact the QAT system didn't exist back in that time, it shouldn't be an apologize for this map being still available.

About the rules, common sense could be applied I think. Anything what does not emphasize the genitals or breasts is just safe. Showing panties is okay unless a cameltoe is visible, showing breasts partially is okay unless nipples or their shape is visible. What is NSFW about panties, bras, swimsuit and other underwear? You haven't ever seen someone in swimsuit on beach or so? I guess most of us did and I don't think there was anyone who told them to take clothes, obviously. Unless it is sexually suggestive (or eventually showing brutal stuff like interrupted parts of body), it is not NSFW.

piruchan wrote:

V = acceptable, X = not acceptable
Bikinis and male swimsuit V
Skimpy bikinis (ones that barely/only covers private parts) and skimpy male underwear X
See through underwear beneath V
See through no underwear beneath X
Pantsu V
Boxers V
Lingerie X
Hand bra X
Cleavage V
Cameltoe and male equivalent X
Things that seem to be nipples, but the character is still clothed X
Side boob V
Under boob V
Too much boob X
Too much ass X
Ahegao X
Girls/guys blushing and panting X
Nipples and genitalia X
etc

I'm more impressed that you managed to come up with such a big list of things...

piruchan wrote:

Things that seem to be nipples, but the character is still clothed X

Wut bro... gtfo, i thought you were cool.. :<

it could be anything for all you know...

Well, input wont hurt I guess.

Why would one want to ban borderline-NSFW stuff without going case-by-case? Adding a rule to ban anything with x would be stupid. Everyone can go outside to their local beach or sea or whatever and look at real bewbs and butts. No one cares and no one will ban you for having a bikini at the beach.
If your animu, game or whatever features girls that have special conditions, then they shall have it. It represents the whatever, so let it show whatever

Although, anything like "here, have my vagina in your face" or "look at me, Ive got literally less than a piece toilet paper on my body" should be changed.


Just go Case-by-Case and disallow "ass to your face" esq stuff.

We don't need a list. We need common sense.

Go up to your relatives and teachers (and employers if you're old enough) and show them a questionable TV size background. Report back with their responses. Remember that even if the player's old enough to watch pornography, they might not want someone to walk in on them sat in front of underaged girls in bikinis and Japanese "fuck me" poses.

Would this be unrankable cos of the background? (Ignoring the fact that it has an AR9 and 10 version and obviously wasn't going for ranked, but just an example)

You're looking at a borderline case there, but because it's an amusing and artsy/cute pic, it might be possible to get away with it. Then again, it's pretty much scantily-clad molestation. those legs though mmmmmm

Wafu wrote:

To be honest, nothing's gonna ever change from what I have seen so far.

Let's talk about this map https://osu.ppy.sh/s/15430
If you open the video (recommended in video player, not osu!, because that will mess up a timing a bit) on 1:42, you can clearly see the girl is holding a penis in her hand and holds it near the mouth (also to mention, she's most probably a loli, what's considered as a child porn in some states, so basically, who downloaded this could have downloaded stuff he can be arrested for without a warning, yay!). That map was never unranked. Because it is "too old" or because it cannot be told what she holds (obviously it's not when you zoom it to your monitor's resolution while the resolution is many times smaller)? If we consider age of the map, we should not remove other NSFW things so it can be fair to all people, both to this map and people who would get their maps removed (for example my map because of having pu**y in song tile) I do not think any justice was used here. If you make a murder, you are not forgiven after few years, you still did a murder. So we shall probably start removing maps and judge what's NSFW after we apply justice to maps which are really NSFW, not questionable. Obviously, not even the fact the QAT system didn't exist back in that time, it shouldn't be an apologize for this map being still available.

About the rules, common sense could be applied I think. Anything what does not emphasize the genitals or breasts is just safe. Showing panties is okay unless a cameltoe is visible, showing breasts partially is okay unless nipples or their shape is visible. What is NSFW about panties, bras, swimsuit and other underwear? You haven't ever seen someone in swimsuit on beach or so? I guess most of us did and I don't think there was anyone who told them to take clothes, obviously. Unless it is sexually suggestive (or eventually showing brutal stuff like interrupted parts of body), it is not NSFW.

mfw when I watch the video up close and see a penis.
she also gets her shirt lifted but you can't see her nipples.

the fuck?

If storyboards and backgrounds are optional to download like videos I think the problem should be somewhat solved... since if people really wanted a NSFW image they could always grab some from another site. Stating that there are NSFW images in the beatmap should be enough in my opinion, since it's the player's choice whether as to download the images or not.

piruchan wrote:

Too much ass

sounds legit

question
this is NSFW or not ?
this BG for my maps

I am not sure about this image
but I saved it

[ S a k u r a ] wrote:

I am not sure about this image
but I saved it

=w=)b

[ kenon ] wrote:

question
this is NSFW or not ?
this BG for my maps

Well.. she does have big boobs, but still, that's not sexually suggestive, or if it is, it is same sexually suggestive as flat chest.

Wafu wrote:

[ kenon ] wrote:

question
this is NSFW or not ?
this BG for my maps

Well.. she does have big boobs, but still, that's not sexually suggestive, or if it is, it is same sexually suggestive as flat chest.

NSFW shouldn't be depending on boobs, this is kind of unfair to people who has small boobs. It could be NSFW even the person has small boobs

[ S a k u r a ] wrote:

this is kind of unfair to people who has small boobs.

this is kinda funny xD

I do agree with D33d though, but still it becomes really subjective into what a person may think will be questionable/nsfw or not. More clarification will be needed, but...I don't really agree with a list. Not sure how to really clarify such :/


edit: to you down there vvvv
i did read the thread, it was just funny because of how blunt it was. w
although i do suggest we get back on topic.

Starry- wrote:

[ S a k u r a ] wrote:

this is kind of unfair to people who has small boobs.

this is kinda funny xD

I wonder if people even read the thread stop stealing my joke argument :c

I'm watching this from the very beginning and I do love small boobs. o.o Anyway, I kinda agree with wafu here and this should be handled case by case. If a BAT or modder is unsure about just ask a Staff or preferably QAT member. Although if he/she is unsure its better change it since someone else can since we all know how parents can think.

(likely controversial, but gets the job done)
Just create an "all ages" client that doesn't load any BGs, and call the normal client 18+
Add an "enable loading of BGs" option and have the user confirm they are above 18 and willing to see explicit imagery.
Direct anyone who complains to use that client, because they don't have the right to complain if they're using the 18+ client.
Few lines of code (or a .bat files that deletes all the BGs), and everyone's happy

[ S a k u r a ] wrote:

NSFW shouldn't be depending on boobs, this is kind of unfair to people who has small boobs. It could be NSFW even the person has small boobs

i see
https://osu.ppy.sh/s/190754

[ kenon ] wrote:

[ S a k u r a ] wrote:

NSFW shouldn't be depending on boobs, this is kind of unfair to people who has small boobs. It could be NSFW even the person has small boobs

i see
https://osu.ppy.sh/s/190754

i cri evrytiem ;_;

but anyway...

Back on topic,
I don't care how other peoples parents think... If they buy their kids the newest call of duty or resident evil every time it gets released then they have no right to complain because most of those games are rated M for mature (17 and up). And yet they let their 11 and 12 year old kids play them. smh
Also, no one is obligated to play osu! with the BGs... If you don't like it, find a new one, rename it to the one in the folder, and delete the old one.


tldr;
Imo it should be based on what the community thinks, not somebody's parent.

I saw your BG kenon and I saved it to my computer... I am ashamed... ;_;

Just going to comment on the above post.

There is advisory on the content that is provided. The issue with allowing things in osu! is that there really is no way to promote public advisory. This is why things like radio are censored and basic TV channels are censored (But things like HBO are not). It's also why box art cannot be entirely explicit or promote explicit parts of the game (With a big of ambiguity).

The issue here is that while it is true that people can remove BGs and do things, it's still being seen by the general public with no advisory warnings. Parents buy videogames for minors with the visual knowledge of the explicit content, and that is fine, because they have made the choice to say "I have been made are of the content, but I will buy this anyway." With osu! backgrounds, you don't get that.

We have this system set in place for explicit songs. osu! allows them, but under the pretense that there is a label "18+", in the map description, so that the general public that plays the game can be aware of the explicit content.

-------------------------

I'd really like for some QAT/Staff Manager input in this. There seems to be a lot of discussion, which is cool, but it's not really going super anywhere and without people in power to make these decisions, its kinda pointless.

So...

Is there a limit for how much 'skin' can be showing on a person's body to make it applicable for uploading?
I mean, you can just tell people that the song/image contains explicit content (i.e, the title, beatmap description, etc.) so that they can know not to download it.

But, of course, osu! is played by minors and not just adults... so how would this whole thing work out then?

For video, writing "18+" or something into the description is fine but when it comes to the background its not since its already clearly visible on the site though its a bit small. So only a warning before the beatmap page can solve this which can be marked during upload process.

All of these beatmap descriptions warnings sound cool and all, except you can't see them when you use osu!direct. And you don't even see the beatmap thumbnail if you have auto-downloads when spectating or in multiplayer either, which also dont help if the offending background is on a difficulty that uses a different background from the one in the thumbnail.

I think these warnings can be applied to the osu!direct downloads as well. o.o

in response to all concerns of people "unwillingly downloading"

have seeing 18+ backgrounds on osudirect or the osu website be linked to an account option of "I am willing to see explicit content" (disabled by default)