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Touhou PyP IV (Game over - Mafia wins :>)

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Tanzklaue
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Tanzklaue

fartownik wrote:

Kitsunemimi wrote:

Then what would the cause of Rantai's death be?

A serial killer? Pushed him down the stairs?
Possibly? I don't think flavor should determine the role tbh.
flavour does hint at the role. up until now, every claim made sense, and the flavour fitted the role.

especially since pieguy said that he would chose a character and give that character a fitting role.
Kitsunemimi
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Kitsunemimi

fartownik wrote:

Kitsunemimi wrote:

Then what would the cause of Rantai's death be?

A serial killer? Pushed him down the stairs?
Possibly? I don't think flavor should determine the role tbh.
Seriously? I really hope you don't mean that "Touhou PyP" in the game name has no significance in the roles we get.

Unless you meant that the role doesn't have to fit the action in which case I ask you: do you think it's more likely that an SK performed his kill by pushing Rantai down the stairs (when SK kills are usually just denoted by just "killed"), or he just game to visit me, and de to my terrible bad luck, he tripped down the stairs, hit his head, and actually died from it.

I think the 'hit his head' part is important here.
Kitsunemimi
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Kitsunemimi
Oh my god I suck at typing on my phone.

he just came to visit me, and due to my terrible bad luck*
fartownik
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fartownik
Yes, I meant the cause of death shouldn't be a tell of someone's role.
Kitsunemimi
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Kitsunemimi
Tbh I think it's a pretty normal thing to make the kill indicative of the role of the person who killed them... That's the whole point of having a story, isn't it?
fartownik
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fartownik
Yes, when it's an open setup with known roles, but if the host does that with a closed one, when all the roles are unknown it's pretty much spoiling the game.
fartownik
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fartownik
Also the only thing that the stupid no lynch gave us is a possibility of scum being in that wagon, and it's high. You simply let mafia pick whoever they wanted to kill while keeping WIFOM and letting them hide as much information as they need. Also if we lynched D1 we'd have some useful information before the night which could interfere with the actual night actions for the better. Also obvious chance for hitting scum D1 was lost.

That's why I think there's at least 1 scum in that damn wagon.
Kitsunemimi
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Kitsunemimi
So then it's just a coincidence that someone died in a rather mundane way which makes it look like it has something to do with bad luck, which is what I had supposedly been wanting to happen so that I can fakeclaim Hina as PGO?
Tanzklaue
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Tanzklaue
fart, if we had lynched, then we would be probably in a MyLo situation now.
fartownik
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fartownik
Fine, you're most likely not lying. Your train of thought and the answers for my questions seem Town, which also leans Lilac Town a bit more too.

Leaves Tanzklaue and RB from the no lynch wagon. I had a townread on Tanz and a possible scumread for all the game on RB, so it's him. He's probably scum with Kanye (good coincidence there).

Unvote
Vote: RB
Raging Bull
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Raging Bull
I voted NL since Tanz said pressuring Lilac won't do anything within that hour before lynch even occurs.
Lilac
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Lilac
Vote: RB.

You should have realised that before you even voted for me. It seemed to me that you were voting to waste time instead of either voting one of the two people that was close to being lynched or no lynching much earlier.
pieguyn
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pieguyn
votecount 2.1:

Raging Bull (2) - fartownik, Lilac

deadline is in 82:51
Tanzklaue
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Tanzklaue
let's look even deeper into this issue...

up until RBs vote on lilac,it was a tie between the kanye bandwaggon and the tanz bandwaggon. if RB had stayed on the waggon, then lilac most likely would've voted kanye. neither the klaue nor the no lynch waggon could've beaten the kanye waggon. result: kanye dead.

with his unvote though, the kanye waggon was basically dead. there was no chance to bring the kanye waggon over the tanz waggon, and I would've been dead. now, of course I would now switch to the NL waggon in order to not get myself lynched, and lilac would join the waggon. result: kanye doesn't get lynched.

so what I am saying is: for some reason, RB didn't want kanye to get lynched. he didn't care in the end if I had been lynched or if no lynch gets through. there really wasn't that much reason for RB to not push a kanye lynch. at least no town motivated reasons.

overall, I think i have to let kanye get away another day.

Vote: RB
Royston
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Royston
Let's turn the heat up.

Vote: Raging Bull
Lilac
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Lilac
Unvote.

Not risking a quick hammer. I wanted to build pressure only.
VoidnOwO
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VoidnOwO
:)
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Raging Bull
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Raging Bull

Tanzklaue wrote:

let's look even deeper into this issue...

up until RBs vote on lilac,it was a tie between the kanye bandwaggon and the tanz bandwaggon. if RB had stayed on the waggon, then lilac most likely would've voted kanye. neither the klaue nor the no lynch waggon could've beaten the kanye waggon. result: kanye dead.

with his unvote though, the kanye waggon was basically dead. there was no chance to bring the kanye waggon over the tanz waggon, and I would've been dead. now, of course I would now switch to the NL waggon in order to not get myself lynched, and lilac would join the waggon. result: kanye doesn't get lynched.

so what I am saying is: for some reason, RB didn't want kanye to get lynched. he didn't care in the end if I had been lynched or if no lynch gets through. there really wasn't that much reason for RB to not push a kanye lynch. at least no town motivated reasons.

overall, I think i have to let kanye get away another day.

Vote: RB
Raging Bull
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Raging Bull
fuck my internet this is what I wanted to say.



I voted for Lilac because of how he looked like he knew there was 3 people in a scum team. His questioning on Kitsune looked faked and staged too me as a way for distancing, especially with such a time zone difference and the time between the replies. And him wanting to vote but feel uncomfortable for voting. There shouldn't be a reason why.

You are reading way too much into it if I cared you got lynch or if I wanted NL. I stated why I thought Lilac was scum so I in turn voted for him. Then you stated how there is no point in pressuring Lilac at that point anymore and by the time I even get to reply, people just went on the no lynch wagon. Either I voted for you or Kanye or go for NL at that point of time no longer made a difference.
Lilac
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Lilac
There's a lot of things that don't add up...and honestly there's just one big problem.

Vote: RB. Why the hell did you not vote for me again? I'm only uncomfortable in voting when I don't have a reason to vote for someone and I even said that when I wanted to vote for Kanye but didn't have my computer to do it.

Trust me, I'm having a hard time deciding who's scum and you're not helping. So you'll need something much more to convince at least me why you aren't scum.

You're welcome, too.
pieguyn
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pieguyn
votecount 2.2:

Raging Bull (4) - fartownik, Tanzklaue, Royston, Lilac (L-1)
Tanzklaue (1) - BRBP

deadline is in 71:04
Raging Bull
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Raging Bull
Okay so let me see.

I didn't vote for you because I wanted to give you a chance and see how the hell you got 3 scum. You did and gave me the formula and so I also looked around games and they did tend to follow it. So that was one huge chunk of suspicion you helped removed. Also you didn't even stated you wanted Kanye to get lynched, you only mentioned Tanz. You also mentioned you were strongly against no lynching and after Rantai went on no lynch too, you just decided to go on no lynch. You could have tried to convince even more instead of just hopping on it, but yet you easily gave up. If you really were going to try hard and scum hunt, you shouldn't give up at all.

Honestly, the way it grew, at least one scum is on my wagon. My suspicion is still on you, but obviously voting on you would just make it OMGUS at this point.


@fart, what have I done that gave you a scum read on me?
Lilac
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Lilac
I am actually severely handicapped right about now since I have capped internet until 11th of this month. Not to mentioned I'm stressed out about this game but ignore that.

1. There's nothing wrong with an OMGUS vote, screw the haters, if you have a valid reason to vote for someone like me then bloody do it and make it a good case against me.

2. I did mention about a Kanye lynch being better than a Tanz one. I would dig up a quote but I'm having trouble posting enough as is now, look at the posts by me leading up to the no lynch.

3. I had 50 minutes to convince 2 other people that no lynching was terrible. Do you know how improbable that was to do?

4. I tried near the beginning of the day on 3 different people to try and scumhunt. Mimi, Tanz and BRBP. I don't want to give up but when 3 town are dead that takes a complete morale blow like you would never believe.

Come on, mate. At least help me if you can't help yourself.
fartownik
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fartownik

Lilac wrote:

3. I had 50 minutes to convince 2 other people that no lynching was terrible. Do you know how improbable that was to do?

Lilac wrote:

Vote: No Lynch

Ugh. Far out. My computer is way too slow to load so I'm using 3G. As much as I said I do not like this I don't think I can convince anyone now to think otherwise and I do concede that another possible town lynch could be really bad.

I will get to the bottom of this.
So you just voted No Lynch because you thought it's a terrible idea? Hm, interesting. Actually, if you hadn't done anything at that point, Tanz would be lynched. He had 3 votes on himself, same for No Lynch, but he'd get lynched because he got 3 votes first. Also - Kanye had 2 votes, you could've either: vote Kanye, vote Tanz or do nothing when you thought No Lynch was a bad idea, but you voted it anyways.

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Tanzklaue
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Tanzklaue

fartownik wrote:

Lilac wrote:

3. I had 50 minutes to convince 2 other people that no lynching was terrible. Do you know how improbable that was to do?

Lilac wrote:

Vote: No Lynch

Ugh. Far out. My computer is way too slow to load so I'm using 3G. As much as I said I do not like this I don't think I can convince anyone now to think otherwise and I do concede that another possible town lynch could be really bad.

I will get to the bottom of this.
So you just voted No Lynch because you thought it's a terrible idea? Hm, interesting. Actually, if you hadn't done anything at that point, Tanz would be lynched. He had 3 votes on himself, same for No Lynch, but he'd get lynched because he got 3 votes first. Also - Kanye had 2 votes, you could've either: vote Kanye, vote Tanz or do nothing when you thought No Lynch was a bad idea, but you voted it anyways.

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at that point of time, I would'e voted NL regardless of what lilac would've voted. NL would've happened either way.
Tanzklaue
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Tanzklaue
also, what lilac said wasn't that he/she (could someone please answer ;;) voted NL because it's a terrible idea, but because the high potential of hitting town is even worse, considering how one townie was already dead.
fartownik
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fartownik

Tanzklaue wrote:

at that point of time, I would'e voted NL regardless of what lilac would've voted. NL would've happened either way.
Yep, but still - the fact that he voted No Lynch even before your vote is weird. If he voted Kanye, he'd have 3 votes, and then you could vote Kanye too so he'd be lynched. Reason - he didn't want Kanye lynched. It's funny because you mentioned RB didn't want Kanye lynched and now it's up on Lilac, with you in the case. Either way, Kanye is scum, so I will just vote him because he's slipping there for far too long.

Vote: Kanye
Tanzklaue
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Tanzklaue

fartownik wrote:

Tanzklaue wrote:

at that point of time, I would'e voted NL regardless of what lilac would've voted. NL would've happened either way.
Yep, but still - the fact that he voted No Lynch even before your vote is weird. If he voted Kanye, he'd have 3 votes, and then you could vote Kanye too so he'd be lynched. Reason - he didn't want Kanye lynched. It's funny because you mentioned RB didn't want Kanye lynched and now it's up on Lilac, with you in the case. Either way, Kanye is scum, so I will just vote him because he's slipping there for far too long.

Vote: Kanye
I couldn't have voted kanye.

the reason: the scond vote on him after yours was mine.
there was no possibility to get 4 votes on kanye without RBs support, as the rest didn't want to lynch kanye.
fartownik
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fartownik

Tanzklaue wrote:

I couldn't have voted kanye.

the reason: the scond vote on him after yours was mine.
there was no possibility to get 4 votes on kanye without RBs support, as the rest didn't want to lynch kanye.
Oh shit, I didn't notice that.

It doesn't change the fact that Lilac voted something he thought was a bad idea. No Lynch itself is a way to decrease the losses in Town population, so he contradicted himself there. The vote was just too convenient.
Lilac
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Lilac
It's probably because I didn't know how the votes worked but I wouldn't vote for someone with that little time to think. I'm not sure why I wanted a No Lynch at the end but I really don't know anything anymore...

Let me just think for a bit. I'll get back to all of you tomorrow when I'll actually try and get my thoughts straight.
fartownik
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fartownik
@mod: deadline please
Lilac
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Lilac
Should be around 68 hours from now.
pieguyn
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pieguyn
deadline is 8/5 9:00 GMT, 69:02 from now
Jinxy
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Jinxy
Wait you mean mimi was really hina? what

Well, reading back to before N1 started, I agree that RB's sudden switch to Lilac after saying he was more suspicious of Kanye/Sakura is quite scummy in itself, but the same can be said for Lilac's No Lynch vote, which fart picked up on just now. That timeframe there is just a massive blur to me, after the 7 pages of back and forth. I'll reread it later to see if I can find anything else new.

Another thing that caught my attention is Royston bringing RB to L-1. He may be new, but he should have known that bringing anyone to L-1 so early in the day isn't a good idea because it allows for the quickhammer. His reasoning was to "bring the heat up", which is a weak reasoning when RB's already the far majority in votes. I feel he's just trying to get onto a wagon and stay there undetected, so I'll just ask him the question.
Royston: Why did you see the need to "bring the heat up"?
Lilac
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Lilac
Well sorry, Ojou-sama.
Raging Bull
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Raging Bull

Lilac wrote:

I am actually severely handicapped right about now since I have capped internet until 11th of this month. Not to mentioned I'm stressed out about this game but ignore that.

1. There's nothing wrong with an OMGUS vote, screw the haters, if you have a valid reason to vote for someone like me then bloody do it and make it a good case against me.

2. I did mention about a Kanye lynch being better than a Tanz one. I would dig up a quote but I'm having trouble posting enough as is now, look at the posts by me leading up to the no lynch.

3. I had 50 minutes to convince 2 other people that no lynching was terrible. Do you know how improbable that was to do?

4. I tried near the beginning of the day on 3 different people to try and scumhunt. Mimi, Tanz and BRBP. I don't want to give up but when 3 town are dead that takes a complete morale blow like you would never believe.

Come on, mate. At least help me if you can't help yourself.
My internet sucks too.

No, you did no such thing of mentioning Kanye lynch is better than Tanz. You mentioned how you rather lynch than no lynch.

You had approx 6 hours from the time you mentioned no lynch is bad and when you voted NL and within that time, BRBP, Tanz, Rantai, and I were online. That is plenty of opportunity.

No, there was only one town dead in D1 and that was NH. What are you even saying?

Why are you contradicting yourself a lot now?
Royston
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Royston

Jinxy wrote:

Royston: Why did you see the need to "bring the heat up"?
reaction testing

Not concerned about a quickhammer. I know town wouldn't hammer, so if someone hammered & RB flipped town then we have a known scum. That's all.
Kitsunemimi
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Kitsunemimi

Royston wrote:

Not concerned about a quickhammer. I know town wouldn't hammer, so if someone hammered & RB flipped town then we have a known scum. That's all.
What's up with that? Anyone could've went in saying "oh hurr yeah I think he's scum too", and it turns out that everyone's completely wrong because you put on too many votes on RB before he could even say anything. You say that like we're aware of who's town and who's not.

Also, are you saying you're okay with risking a mislynch while we're already 3 down?
Royston
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Royston

Kitsunemimi wrote:

Anyone could've went in saying "oh hurr yeah I think he's scum too"
Sure, but if someone decided to hammer so early in the day then it's a safe bet they're not town; unless the player lynched is scum, of course.

Kitsunemimi wrote:

and it turns out that everyone's completely wrong because you put on too many votes on RB before he could even say anything.
I'm not clear on what you mean by this.

Kitsunemimi wrote:

You say that like we're aware of who's town and who's not.
Hah, well some of us are.

Kitsunemimi wrote:

Also, are you saying you're okay with risking a mislynch while we're already 3 down?
Yes, if we get scum. I'd much prefer a mislynch over no lynch, at least we gain info that way. We're already in a bad spot, we can't afford to play it safe.

Anyway, I'm off to sleep now. By tomorrow morning I expect to have some votes on me! Don't let me down scum!

Oh, and unvote for now.
Raging Bull
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Raging Bull
I find it funny how you pop out of nowhere and just jumped on my bandwagon without any justified reasoning for the vote.
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