I am very grateful to Jinjin for giving his opinion, so instead I added a list of his opinions. Here's the Top 10 4K Loved and Ranked version of Jinjin:


Various - Yolomania Vol. 3A [Anthony Donato - The 8th Era (Short Cut) [rCaliberGX] 22]
-Map Creator: Fullerene-
-Star Difficulty: 5.68
-Length: 1:08
-Link Beatmap: https://osu.ppy.sh/beatmapsets/243027/#mania/563155

Dev/Null - Rave 7 [Insane]
-Map Creator: hi19hi19
-Star Difficulty: 5.90
-Length: 1:43
-Link Beatmap: https://osu.ppy.sh/beatmapsets/203250#mania/480467

Camellia - I Can Fly In The Universe [Schizophrenia]
-Map Creator: Evening
-Star Difficulty: 6.06
-Length: 6:49
-Link Beatmap: https://osu.ppy.sh/beatmapsets/493316/#mania/1055345

Camellia - K.Y.A.F.A. [RELENTLESS MASSACRE]
-Map Creator: Evening
-Star Difficulty: 6.22
-Length: 5:16
-Link Beatmap: https://osu.ppy.sh/beatmapsets/477233/#mania/1019388

Hatsuki Yura - The Clockwork Rose -Tokei Shikake no Bara Shoujo- [LN Master 1.2x]
-Map Creator: Gekido-
-Star Difficulty: 6.33
-Length: 3:14
-Link Beatmap: https://osu.ppy.sh/beatmapsets/740979#mania/1563106

xi - PEACE BREAKER [FINAL PUNISHMENT]
-Map Creator: Fullerene-
-Star Difficulty: 6.43
-Length: 4:51
-Link Beatmap: https://osu.ppy.sh/beatmapsets/352754/#mania/777348

Sharkey & Arkitech - Quadraphinix [Challenge 1.5x]
-Map Creator: Xay
-Star Difficulty: 6.81
-Length: 1:51
-Link Beatmap: https://osu.ppy.sh/beatmapsets/828129/#mania/1753423

UNDEAD CORPORATION - The Empress scream off ver [Jepetski's Empress]
-Map Creator: _underjoy
-Star Difficulty: 5.81
-Length: 2:13
-Link Beatmap: https://osu.ppy.sh/beatmapsets/315435/#mania/713128

Yuyoyuppe - AiAe [Wafles' SHD]
-Map Creator: waflessmo
-Star Difficulty: 6.76
-Length: 3:57
-Link Beatmap: https://osu.ppy.sh/beatmapsets/174381/#mania/421066

Camellia as "Bang Riot" - Blastix Riotz [GRAVITY]
-Map Creator: Fresh Chicken
-Star Difficulty: 7.01
-Length: 2:07
-Link Beatmap: https://osu.ppy.sh/beatmapsets/349208/#mania/770127


Again, Thank you Jinjin

Ok. I think the hardest ranked map is AiAe (https://osu.ppy.sh/beatmapsets/174381) and in the top we can place The Empress (https://osu.ppy.sh/beatmapsets/315435/#mania). We can add Blastix Riotz (https://osu.ppy.sh/beatmapsets/349208/#mania) too. Good luck.

How about xi - FREEDOM DiVE [Fullerene's 4K DIMENSIONS]? Can it enter the Top 10 list?

MenahanBeOL wrote:

How about xi - FREEDOM DiVE [Fullerene's 4K DIMENSIONS]? Can it enter the Top 10 list?

No, it wouldn't even be close. There is a plethora of 4K beatmaps that are significantly harder than freedom dive. In addition, the difficulty of maps is subjective and players will have different opinions on the ideal quantitative metric used for judging said difficulty. I guess it would be feasible to try and list the top 10 "hardest" loved and ranked 4K beatmaps as its own group (but even then there would be disagreements among players), but as for the nonranked maps we'd have to put many restrictions on what would classify as a "playable" 4K map.

It's done, I give up on making the Top 10 Hardest Non-Ranked, Loved, and Ranked Beatmap list. So, I don't enter Non-Ranked Beatmap to my list. But I still included the Hardest Loved and Ranked Beatmap

you can't do galaxy collapse as the 4th hardest map...

Actually i was expecting Apparition by Spawn of Possession to be on the list. But, yeah, that's super subjective.

Galaxy Collapse [Cataclysmic Hypernova] overrated...

Here's another subjective list of "top 10" hardest loved / ranked beatmaps (from me):
I'm not going to give an ordered list, but just consider these as some of the more difficult maps out there:
Ranked:
- Blastix Riotz [GRAVITY]
- AiAe [Wafles' SHD]
- The Empress scream off ver [Jepetski's Empress]
Loved:
- MEME LEGENDS - KAC 2016 -HISTORIA QUIT BLUVOLTEX- [jestem slodki lubie kotki]
- Quadraphinix [Challenge 1.5x]
- PEACE BREAKER [FINAL PUNISHMENT]
- The Clockwork Rose -Tokei Shikake no Bara Shoujo- [LN Master 1.2x]
- K.Y.A.F.A. [RELENTLESS MASSACRE]
- I Can Fly In The Universe [Schizophrenia]
- Rave 7 [Insane]
- The 8th Era [rCaliberGX 22]

Jinjin wrote:

Here's another subjective list of "top 10" hardest loved / ranked beatmaps (from me):
Ranked:
- Blastix Riotz [GRAVITY]
- AiAe [Wafles' SHD]
- The Empress scream off ver [Jepetski's Empress]
Loved:
- MEME LEGENDS - KAC 2016 -HISTORIA QUIT BLUVOLTEX- [jestem slodki lubie kotki]
- Quadraphinix [Challenge 1.5x]
- PEACE BREAKER [FINAL PUNISHMENT]
- The Clockwork Rose -Tokei Shikake no Bara Shoujo- [LN Master 1.2x]
- K.Y.A.F.A. [RELENTLESS MASSACRE]
- I Can Fly In The Universe [Schizophrenia]
- Rave 7 [Insane]
- The 8th Era [rCaliberGX 22]

I add your list to my list. Thank you Jinjin for giving your opinion I also don't forget to add you on credit

MenahanBeOL wrote:

Jinjin wrote:

Here's another subjective list of "top 10" hardest loved / ranked beatmaps (from me):
Ranked:
- Blastix Riotz [GRAVITY]
- AiAe [Wafles' SHD]
- The Empress scream off ver [Jepetski's Empress]
Loved:
- MEME LEGENDS - KAC 2016 -HISTORIA QUIT BLUVOLTEX- [jestem slodki lubie kotki]
- Quadraphinix [Challenge 1.5x]
- PEACE BREAKER [FINAL PUNISHMENT]
- The Clockwork Rose -Tokei Shikake no Bara Shoujo- [LN Master 1.2x]
- K.Y.A.F.A. [RELENTLESS MASSACRE]
- I Can Fly In The Universe [Schizophrenia]
- Rave 7 [Insane]
- The 8th Era [rCaliberGX 22]

I add your list to my list. Thank you Jinjin for giving your opinion I also don't forget to add you on credit

Oh umm thanks haha, I appreciate it. However, just do note that I just listed mine in no particular order whatsoever, so you should probably exclude the numberings to avoid confusion (for example, Blastix riotz is definitely not top 1 out of those maps, and Rave 7 would be a lot higher up in the rankings).

Jinjin wrote:

MenahanBeOL wrote:

Jinjin wrote:

Here's another subjective list of "top 10" hardest loved / ranked beatmaps (from me):
Ranked:
- Blastix Riotz [GRAVITY]
- AiAe [Wafles' SHD]
- The Empress scream off ver [Jepetski's Empress]
Loved:
- MEME LEGENDS - KAC 2016 -HISTORIA QUIT BLUVOLTEX- [jestem slodki lubie kotki]
- Quadraphinix [Challenge 1.5x]
- PEACE BREAKER [FINAL PUNISHMENT]
- The Clockwork Rose -Tokei Shikake no Bara Shoujo- [LN Master 1.2x]
- K.Y.A.F.A. [RELENTLESS MASSACRE]
- I Can Fly In The Universe [Schizophrenia]
- Rave 7 [Insane]
- The 8th Era [rCaliberGX 22]

I add your list to my list. Thank you Jinjin for giving your opinion I also don't forget to add you on credit

Oh umm thanks haha, I appreciate it. However, just do note that I just listed mine in no particular order whatsoever, so you should probably exclude the numberings to avoid confusion (for example, Blastix riotz is definitely not top 1 out of those maps, and Rave 7 would be a lot higher up in the rankings).

I exclude the numbering. Thank you

Is Blue Zenith [#ooooFFF] hard enough to get in the list?

Electro1009 wrote:

Is Blue Zenith [#ooooFFF] hard enough to get in the list?

not even close

It's closer to Triumph and Regret than the stuff in this list

this has to enter the list beatmapsets/1489844#osu/3053927

killervampyier wrote:

this has to enter the list beatmapsets/1489844#osu/3053927

not only is that an osu standard map but its also pending

[LS]Ham wrote:

killervampyier wrote:

this has to enter the list beatmapsets/1489844#osu/3053927

not only is that an osu standard map but its also pending

dumbass also necroed a 3 year old thread too what a moron

[LS]PositoniX wrote:

[LS]Ham wrote:

killervampyier wrote:

this has to enter the list beatmapsets/1489844#osu/3053927

not only is that an osu standard map but its also pending

dumbass also necroed a 3 year old thread too what a moron

it's their map as well.

I just can't-

Zelzatter Zero wrote:

[LS]PositoniX wrote:

[LS]Ham wrote:

killervampyier wrote:

this has to enter the list beatmapsets/1489844#osu/3053927

not only is that an osu standard map but its also pending

dumbass also necroed a 3 year old thread too what a moron

it's their map as well.

I just can't-

gotta love the difficulty scaling on it, too-

1stars, 2stars, 2.7 stars, 7 stars, 100 stars

killervampyier wrote:

this has to enter the list beatmapsets/1489844#osu/3053927

Hello killervanpyier.

Promoting your map isn't wrong, but in this case, your way of promoting makes us really annoyed and even upset, too.

Not only you're promoting your map in an unrelated thread (your map is a STD pending set, and its quality isn't even worth promoting, most people will tell your map is shit, while this thread is about ranking 4K ranked+loved mania sets according to their true difficulties), you even tricked everyone by putting your map list and tell MenahanBeOL (a.k.a the thread starter) to add your map on it. And the thread is 3 years old too. What reason do you think you can put your STD map to the list? And why on a 3 year old thread, not the recent threads, or open yourself a new thread?

Your playtime is also very questionable, only 1 hour and 5 minutes. Your pp also seems to not even close to the difficulty of your map, only 6 pp, which... understandably makes your rank super low, only #3.745.469. You only played 41 maps, and to be able to understand how aspect of maps work, this isn't even half close to 1/10 of it, if I'm going to be honest. So, in terms of playing experience, it's not even enough to create a half-decent map, and your map is still very far away from that. At least, please be able to pass maps that are half of your map's SR* (without counting Aspire** gimmick maps), and understand (almost) every aspect of maps within your map's SR first. After done everything I said, you may have enough experience to create a decent map.

Lastly, I checked your map. The quality is... well, what do I expect, a random mess of objects that doesn't follow anything. It doesn't follow the RC*** in every aspect possible. With the current quality of your map, it feels super stupid to promote your map (and in this case, in one of the most annoying ways possible) and beg everyone for your hype. Only rankable**** maps should be hyped, as the game and the community certified, and yet you still want people to hype your map, just because "i worked so hard i mean SO hard thats y". You think that's a valid reason? You worked hard on it, doesn't mean it looks good and is worth for hyping. The quality is not proportional to the effort you put in, it proportional to the experience you have. In this case, your experience is almost 0. Please don't tell anyone to hype/favorite your map and promote it when your map's quality is not even close to rankable.

In conclusion, you used trickery to fool people into hyping your map in one of the most awkward ways possible. Do you think it was worth it, when everyone just go to your map, download it, and delete your map is disappointment, then comment in your map, telling you to play more and get more experience?

Fuck off.

Please play more, get more mapping experiences from playing and regular mapping, before even attempting to promote your map and push it for ranked. And not promoting in this way.

This is my honest words for you. It will surely hurts, but "No pain, no gain". Learn from your mistakes, and I'm sure you'll become a better person in this community. I'm sorry if I went too far, it's just your action makes people feel annoyed, don't repeat that again :^>

Explanation for new terms:
*SR: Star rating, which uses a formula to calculate the map's difficulty. It's not too accurate tho.
**Aspire: A mapping contest. Its main goal is to create a game-breaking, gimmicky, and creative concepts while still keeping the map's overall quality. Maps aren't forced to follow RC, but their quality still should be good.
***RC: The Ranking Criteria. This list has every rule and guidelines you must follow for your map to be rankable. Rules must not be broken under any circumstances, while guidelines can be violated under special circumstances, which isn't recommended for new mappers.
****rankable: If a map is rankable, it follows the RC (as explained up above) and has good quality to be ranked/in the ranked section.

MenahanBeOL wrote:

I am very grateful to Jinjin for giving his opinion, so instead I added a list of his opinions. Here's the Top 10 4K Loved and Ranked version of Jinjin:


Various - Yolomania Vol. 3A [Anthony Donato - The 8th Era (Short Cut) [rCaliberGX] 22]
-Map Creator: Fullerene-
-Star Difficulty: 5.68
-Length: 1:08
-Link Beatmap: beatmapsets/243027/#mania/563155

Dev/Null - Rave 7 [Insane]
-Map Creator: hi19hi19
-Star Difficulty: 5.90
-Length: 1:43
-Link Beatmap: beatmapsets/203250#mania/480467

Camellia - I Can Fly In The Universe [Schizophrenia]
-Map Creator: Evening
-Star Difficulty: 6.06
-Length: 6:49
-Link Beatmap: beatmapsets/493316/#mania/1055345

Camellia - K.Y.A.F.A. [RELENTLESS MASSACRE]
-Map Creator: Evening
-Star Difficulty: 6.22
-Length: 5:16
-Link Beatmap: beatmapsets/477233/#mania/1019388

Hatsuki Yura - The Clockwork Rose -Tokei Shikake no Bara Shoujo- [LN Master 1.2x]
-Map Creator: Gekido-
-Star Difficulty: 6.33
-Length: 3:14
-Link Beatmap: beatmapsets/740979#mania/1563106

xi - PEACE BREAKER [FINAL PUNISHMENT]
-Map Creator: Fullerene-
-Star Difficulty: 6.43
-Length: 4:51
-Link Beatmap: beatmapsets/352754/#mania/777348

Sharkey & Arkitech - Quadraphinix [Challenge 1.5x]
-Map Creator: Xay
-Star Difficulty: 6.81
-Length: 1:51
-Link Beatmap: beatmapsets/828129/#mania/1753423

UNDEAD CORPORATION - The Empress scream off ver [Jepetski's Empress]
-Map Creator: _underjoy
-Star Difficulty: 5.81
-Length: 2:13
-Link Beatmap: beatmapsets/315435/#mania/713128

Yuyoyuppe - AiAe [Wafles' SHD]
-Map Creator: waflessmo
-Star Difficulty: 6.76
-Length: 3:57
-Link Beatmap: beatmapsets/174381/#mania/421066

Camellia as "Bang Riot" - Blastix Riotz [GRAVITY]
-Map Creator: Fresh Chicken
-Star Difficulty: 7.01
-Length: 2:07
-Link Beatmap: beatmapsets/349208/#mania/770127


Again, Thank you Jinjin

how about Onus Regulus Conqueror Of The Universe 4K Extreme by ludicin?

TommyYTB3215 wrote:

MenahanBeOL wrote:

I am very grateful to Jinjin for giving his opinion, so instead I added a list of his opinions. Here's the Top 10 4K Loved and Ranked version of Jinjin:


Various - Yolomania Vol. 3A [Anthony Donato - The 8th Era (Short Cut) [rCaliberGX] 22]
-Map Creator: Fullerene-
-Star Difficulty: 5.68
-Length: 1:08
-Link Beatmap: beatmapsets/243027/#mania/563155

Dev/Null - Rave 7 [Insane]
-Map Creator: hi19hi19
-Star Difficulty: 5.90
-Length: 1:43
-Link Beatmap: beatmapsets/203250#mania/480467

Camellia - I Can Fly In The Universe [Schizophrenia]
-Map Creator: Evening
-Star Difficulty: 6.06
-Length: 6:49
-Link Beatmap: beatmapsets/493316/#mania/1055345

Camellia - K.Y.A.F.A. [RELENTLESS MASSACRE]
-Map Creator: Evening
-Star Difficulty: 6.22
-Length: 5:16
-Link Beatmap: beatmapsets/477233/#mania/1019388

Hatsuki Yura - The Clockwork Rose -Tokei Shikake no Bara Shoujo- [LN Master 1.2x]
-Map Creator: Gekido-
-Star Difficulty: 6.33
-Length: 3:14
-Link Beatmap: beatmapsets/740979#mania/1563106

xi - PEACE BREAKER [FINAL PUNISHMENT]
-Map Creator: Fullerene-
-Star Difficulty: 6.43
-Length: 4:51
-Link Beatmap: beatmapsets/352754/#mania/777348

Sharkey & Arkitech - Quadraphinix [Challenge 1.5x]
-Map Creator: Xay
-Star Difficulty: 6.81
-Length: 1:51
-Link Beatmap: beatmapsets/828129/#mania/1753423

UNDEAD CORPORATION - The Empress scream off ver [Jepetski's Empress]
-Map Creator: _underjoy
-Star Difficulty: 5.81
-Length: 2:13
-Link Beatmap: beatmapsets/315435/#mania/713128

Yuyoyuppe - AiAe [Wafles' SHD]
-Map Creator: waflessmo
-Star Difficulty: 6.76
-Length: 3:57
-Link Beatmap: beatmapsets/174381/#mania/421066

Camellia as "Bang Riot" - Blastix Riotz [GRAVITY]
-Map Creator: Fresh Chicken
-Star Difficulty: 7.01
-Length: 2:07
-Link Beatmap: beatmapsets/349208/#mania/770127


Again, Thank you Jinjin

how about Onus Regulus Conqueror Of The Universe 4K Extreme by ludicin?

the 7k might be some of the hardest but the 4k is nowhere near as hard the three bastards is harder than it in my opinion and it's probably nowhere near the difficulty of stuff like quadraphinx in doubletime

lol