good day to everyone!

As the title explains it already I do want to add some information. Flemish is the language we use in Belgium and i bet in some other countries too. I have sent Peppy a Request trough mail and I didn't get any respond after 4 days. (Message: http://puu.sh/pz8G )

Everyone in the Dutch community agrees about this channel and so do we, flemish people. I have no idea how many will me chatting to begin with, but the amount will surely be the same as #Dutch and it will increase for sure.

It would be nice for us Flemish people to gather somewhere without bothering and getting bothered by others.

I thank you for your time and please support this. If not, then don't rage about it.

Joseph

How big i the Flemish community? We generally don't make chat channels for smaller groups because it isn't so necessary.

Well,i don't know much about flemish language,but if there's Dutch,there MAY be flemish aswell
We shaull see how this ends

Well as long as your .. channel is active and stuff I'm sure peppy would agree on your idea .. so yeah.. I'm with you I guess

+1

I think it's a good idea to open a new Flemish channel. The Dutch has one, why can't the Flemish.

I support this 100%, i don't like seeing others being disrespected by others.

peppy wrote:

How big i the Flemish community? We generally don't make chat channels for smaller groups because it isn't so necessary.

It is actually hard to know. I regularly go looking for flemish players in the 'online user' panel. And from all the ones I've talked to, most of them don't like the #dutch channel, because the dutch guys systematically give them a hard time.

+1 depending on amount of people.

Sakisan2 wrote:

peppy wrote:

How big i the Flemish community? We generally don't make chat channels for smaller groups because it isn't so necessary.

It is actually hard to know. I regularly go looking for flemish players in the 'online user' panel. And from all the ones I've talked to, most of them don't like the #dutch channel, because the dutch guys systematically give them a hard time.

This is true, most #dutch-ers seem to tell Flemish people to sod off. It's kind of a negative environment in there, so I do support a Flemish channel for this sake.

i support this~
+1

Support.

I'd say it should be there; if you can misunderstand sentences between the languages, it's needed. So +1.

inb4 split #skandinavian

supporting~

peppy wrote:

How big i the Flemish community? We generally don't make chat channels for smaller groups because it isn't so necessary.

I'm sorry if it's really hard for you to make one. I just know that everyone who enters the game starts talking in #dutch and gets kicked out. Makes them feel kind of lonely in the game which makes them hard to find. As for now, I do not know any TOP players in Osu! that are Flemish so they aren't really well known. But if you give me the chance I'm sure I'll gather the amount to make it worth for a new channel.

Thank you~

+1. It's fair for them to have own channel

I support this request.

Soo... People are telling me that it all depends on the amount of poeple joining this channel. (So dues peppy)
Is there a possibility to create a temporally channel? That way we can see if it is really needed or not. It's really hard to tell the amount of players that will join. But once they know, I'm sure they will join!

Thank you for your time.

Flemish is a variation on Dutch, and perfectly understandable for Dutch people and vice versa. This means there will be a channel created for a country, not a language - which is kind of pointless.
#dutch isn't that big of a channel, and the Dutch-speaking part of Belgium is smaller than Holland, which is already a small country to begin with. If a separate channel will be created, #dutch will decrease a bit in size, and the new channel would be barely used due to the small userbase.

I also love the mindless drones yelling 'SUPPORT!!1!' on a suggestion they clearly haven't even given a quick thought.

it will just be #dutch2

I don't mind them having their own channel though.

Remco32 wrote:

Flemish is a variation on Dutch, and perfectly understandable for Dutch people and vice versa. This means there will be a channel created for a country, not a language - which is kind of pointless.
#dutch isn't that big of a channel, and the Dutch-speaking part of Belgium is smaller than Holland, which is already a small country to begin with. If a separate channel will be created, #dutch will decrease a bit in size, and the new channel would be barely used due to the small userbase.

I also love the mindless drones yelling 'SUPPORT!!1!' on a suggestion they clearly haven't even given a quick thought.

" #dutch will decrease a bit in size"

Lol, yeah. Because there really are belgian people in #dutch that talk. They instantly get kicked out with talks. I am the only Flemish guy that talks there. Thank you very much. And you aren't really one of the people who would mind us *Cough* me leaving the channel and gather with the others.

Thank you

Remco32 wrote:

Flemish is a variation on Dutch, and perfectly understandable for Dutch people and vice versa. This means there will be a channel created for a country, not a language - which is kind of pointless.
#dutch isn't that big of a channel, and the Dutch-speaking part of Belgium is smaller than Holland, which is already a small country to begin with. If a separate channel will be created, #dutch will decrease a bit in size, and the new channel would be barely used due to the small userbase.

I also love the mindless drones yelling 'SUPPORT!!1!' on a suggestion they clearly haven't even given a quick thought.

Egh, that's true, it'd be because of a couple of nuisances in #dutch. Also, it'd be the biggest victory for them *cough*.

Also; let the flaming begin I suppose..? I hope not.

joseph wrote:

" #dutch will decrease a bit in size"

Lol, yeah. Because there really are belgian people in #dutch that talk. They instantly get kicked out with talks. I am the only Flemish guy that talks there. Thank you very much. And you aren't really one of the people who would mind us *Cough* me leaving the channel and gather with the others.

Thank you

Nobody gets kicked from the channel. Yes, you aren't hugged to hell and back the second you say hi, and we will make a remark about people from Belgium. It's a cultural thing, the Dutch think of Belgium people that they are extremely dumb, and the Belgians think of the Dutch as greedy people.

Your actual problem with #dutch is the real reason you want your own channel: annoying as fuck people are frowned upon and 'flamed' (I think flaming is exaggerated) in the channel:
Random Germans who join the channel and who start to speak German get told to piss off;
Annoying, hyperactive kids who start the spam the shit out of the channel get told to piss off,
and finally, people who highlight other users in the channel begging for hugs day after day after day, talking English for no apparent reason and who blatantly attentionwhore get told to piss off.

Yes, we will say 'lol ur from belgium xDXDXD' the first time you reveal you are in fact one. After that, we go on with the regular chatting and you are free to join in.

Getting all mad because you screwed up and ruined your position in the channel, and then begging for your own channel, is a bit hypocrite.

This is the internet, people tend to be dicks, and #dutch isn't a daycare.

Belgium knows 2 languages, French and Dutch, why don't they just go to those channels? That's like asking if we can have a #british

I guess every ''country/language'' deserves their own channel so yeah
+1 Support

well it'll be just like #british #american #australian #godknowswhatothercountries.

we all know those won't happen as well.

Remco32 wrote:

joseph wrote:

" #dutch will decrease a bit in size"

Lol, yeah. Because there really are belgian people in #dutch that talk. They instantly get kicked out with talks. I am the only Flemish guy that talks there. Thank you very much. And you aren't really one of the people who would mind us *Cough* me leaving the channel and gather with the others.

Thank you

Nobody gets kicked from the channel. Yes, you aren't hugged to hell and back the second you say hi, and we will make a remark about people from Belgium. It's a cultural thing, the Dutch think of Belgium people that they are extremely dumb, and the Belgians think of the Dutch as greedy people.

Your actual problem with #dutch is the real reason you want your own channel: annoying as fuck people are frowned upon and 'flamed' (I think flaming is exaggerated) in the channel:
Random Germans who join the channel and who start to speak German get told to piss off;
Annoying, hyperactive kids who start the spam the shit out of the channel get told to piss off,
and finally, people who highlight other users in the channel begging for hugs day after day after day, talking English for no apparent reason and who blatantly attentionwhore get told to piss off.

Yes, we will say 'lol ur from belgium xDXDXD' the first time you reveal you are in fact one. After that, we go on with the regular chatting and you are free to join in.

Getting all mad because you screwed up and ruined your position in the channel, and then begging for your own channel, is a bit hypocrite.

This is the internet, people tend to be dicks, and #dutch isn't a daycare.

- Dutch people told me that I had to do this. As you can see OTHERS then them are supporthing this.
- Why do you care so much about this channel if you get annoyed so much?
- I never said this "and the Belgians think of the Dutch as greedy people." 1st time hearing about this was from a Dutch guy. Not belgian. We have other things to talk about. We aren't like you guys giving remarks about being dutch or flemish.
- "Random Germans who join the channel and who start to speak German get told to piss off;
Annoying, hyperactive kids who start the spam the shit out of the channel get told to piss off,
and finally, people who highlight other users in the channel begging for hugs day after day after day, talking English for no apparent reason and who blatantly attentionwhore get told to piss off." I've never seen this happening and if i did I wouldn't care. These are more personal things you hate about the channel. I never said something like this. If i did, screen-shot please.
- "Yes, we will say 'lol ur from belgium xDXDXD" And much more. If only it was that... I don't care what you people say about us. But don't make it look like that's the reason why I want this.
- "This is the internet, people tend to be dicks, and #dutch isn't a daycare" That's like admitting it.

I just want this new channel to be created because I don't see anyone from belgium in #dutch. There is no place for us to gather because they don't feel at home. Don't think I do this for myself. I've been in #dutch for 2.5year and i still meet nice people there. I just met a few people from belgium and realized that there has to be made a new channel so that we can feel at home in this game and talk about what we want.

Thanks once again.

And like I said befor, support this and don't rage. If you can't do that then no need to join this post.

this is my new favorite forum

\:D/

I think it's a good idea for them to an own place. They don't gather in Dutch for different reasons. Enough for them to have there own place.



meep. Q uQ
Joseph~ c:

I'm an active #dutch-er, and I'd just like to add; if you're annoying to begin with, or if you're an annoyance (which is obvious with the first few lines you say, or if you active #osu, you actively get shunned out of #dutch for the same purpose).

"Flemish" to begin with is *very* small, compared to the other communities here, at least. And it consists of two languages, being #french and #dutch.

I've been in #dutch for nearly two years. I'm starting to learn some common words and phrases, and most of the #dutch community knows my face. They don't shun me like you do, do they? And hey, I'm American. So you're obviously doing *something* wrong.

tl;dr no go for this support request

peppy wrote:

How big i the Flemish community? We generally don't make chat channels for smaller groups because it isn't so necessary.

flemish community is half size of belgium aka quite big .... bigger then whole netherlands itself so i think there should be a room for those guys , i dont speak it myself but the community is too big to just have all in dutch channel

Everybody is allowed, as long as you talk dutch or english and aren't a fag. <3

Renard wrote:

peppy wrote:

How big i the Flemish community? We generally don't make chat channels for smaller groups because it isn't so necessary.

flemish community is half size of belgium aka quite big .... bigger then whole netherlands itself

Nederland > population: 16.669.112 ~ surface: 41.526 km²
Belgoum > population: about 11 million ~ surface: 30.528 km²

+1 i support this request :3/

dkun wrote:

I'm an active #dutch-er, and I'd just like to add; if you're annoying to begin with, or if you're an annoyance (which is obvious with the first few lines you say, or if you active #osu, you actively get shunned out of #dutch for the same purpose).

"Flemish" to begin with is *very* small, compared to the other communities here, at least. And it consists of two languages, being #french and #dutch.

I've been in #dutch for nearly two years. I'm starting to learn some common words and phrases, and most of the #dutch community knows my face. They don't shun me like you do, do they? And hey, I'm American. So you're obviously doing *something* wrong.

tl;dr no go for this support request

There is a big difference between me and you dkun. Please don't even think about comparing me with you.
They don't follow me around like they do with you. I'm "Just some belgian player" for them, while you are well known in the osu community.
I still don't see why you guys are going against it... We do no harm creating our own channel, do we?

Don't deny that there is a difference in status between you and me. That will explain it more then saying that I'm doing *Something* wrong.

I approve of this idea. o3o

joseph wrote:

dkun wrote:

I'm an active #dutch-er, and I'd just like to add; if you're annoying to begin with, or if you're an annoyance (which is obvious with the first few lines you say, or if you active #osu, you actively get shunned out of #dutch for the same purpose).

"Flemish" to begin with is *very* small, compared to the other communities here, at least. And it consists of two languages, being #french and #dutch.

I've been in #dutch for nearly two years. I'm starting to learn some common words and phrases, and most of the #dutch community knows my face. They don't shun me like you do, do they? And hey, I'm American. So you're obviously doing *something* wrong.

tl;dr no go for this support request

There is a big difference between me and you dkun. Please don't even think about comparing me with you.
They don't follow me around like they do with you. I'm "Just some belgian player" for them, while you are well known in the osu community.
I still don't see why you guys are going against it... We do no harm creating our own channel, do we?

Don't deny that there is a difference in status between you and me. That will explain it more then saying that I'm doing *Something* wrong.

The difference between you and I? They actually respect me. I've earned my respect the hard way. I walked in #dutch and I wasn't given respect day one.

I used to be "just some American" to them, and now like you said, I'm a "well known person in the osu! community". I'm against this because there is no need when Flemish is composed of two languages that are already active here at osu!.

Also getting all your friends to support this isn't going to help the cause, either. They prove no relation to a community related request, as they're not Flemish, nor are they apart of #dutch in any form or fashion.

if you want to join #dutch join #dutch lol

you really don't have to earn respect? XD just don't be a fag like me, cuz there's only room for one fag AND THAT'S MY SPOT.

Where do I start?

- Dutch people told me that I had to do this. As you can see OTHERS then them are supporthing this.

The only Dutch/Belgium person I see supporting in this thread is Kyshiro. I don't remember seeing anyone in #dutch ever mentioning this.

- Why do you care so much about this channel if you get annoyed so much?

Because you want a channel with a bad reason. Channels are reserved for languages with a playerbase backing it.

- I never said this "and the Belgians think of the Dutch as greedy people." 1st time hearing about this was from a Dutch guy. Not belgian. We have other things to talk about. We aren't like you guys giving remarks about being dutch or flemish.

"How did the copperwire got invented? Two Dutchmen were fighting for a cent."
You are blatantly lying, or you just moved to Belgium three weeks ago.

- "Random Germans who join the channel and who start to speak German get told to piss off;
Annoying, hyperactive kids who start the spam the shit out of the channel get told to piss off,
and finally, people who highlight other users in the channel begging for hugs day after day after day, talking English for no apparent reason and who blatantly attentionwhore get told to piss off." I've never seen this happening and if i did I wouldn't care. These are more personal things you hate about the channel. I never said something like this. If i did, screen-shot please.

You should know I log everything, and I have a 40MB log of #dutch.

apr 11 19:12:08 <cool_music> ist hier irgentein deutscher
apr 11 19:12:26 <zozozofun> #german
apr 11 19:12:37 <cool_music> yes
apr 11 19:13:03 <zozozofun> #german
apr 11 19:13:09 <cool_music> ja
apr 11 19:13:16 <zozozofun> click it

mrt 15 21:17:15 <joseph> Remco32! Where is my hug?! >=T

feb 26 19:14:27 <Remco32> #dutch stuk?
feb 26 19:15:57 <joseph> 0.0
feb 26 19:16:04 <joseph> I still want that hug ; ^;

etc, etc

- "Yes, we will say 'lol ur from belgium xDXDXD" And much more. If only it was that... I don't care what you people say about us. But don't make it look like that's the reason why I want this.

The burden of proof for this one is on you.

- "This is the internet, people tend to be dicks, and #dutch isn't a daycare" That's like admitting it.

Admitting what, exactly? That the reason for #dutch to exist is for everyone to be friends? Like I said, this is the internet. Not everyone gets along. #dutch isn't an exception to that.

support this and don't rage

>Make suggestion
>Get counter-arguments
>omg shut up if you aren't going to support this.
Freedom of speech works both ways, you can make a suggestion, and I may criticize it.

dkun wrote:

The difference between you and I? They actually respect me. I've earned my respect the hard way. I walked in #dutch and I wasn't given respect day one.

I used to be "just some American" to them, and now like you said, I'm a "well known person in the osu! community". I'm against this because there is no need when Flemish is composed of two languages that are already active here at osu!.

Also getting all your friends to support this isn't going to help the cause, either. They prove no relation to a community related request, as they're not Flemish, nor are they apart of #dutch in any form or fashion.

I am not talking about the *respect/well know* part in #Dutch. You were already known outside of #dutch. That's the thing I'm talking about.

Those people might not be in the dutch community, but they realize that this idea isn't stupid. They actually admit that this is a good idea because there would be no problem for the Dutch people if we do.

And why would every Flemish person go trough the HARD WAY to EARN respect from the Dutch people if we can just have our own channel where we can chill out with each other instead of working hard to be recognized by Dutch people. Because that's what you just said.

Once again, if you want to be here to rage... Then I see no need for it. There is no harm done, nor will be.

Thanks once again.

GUYS WHY SO SERIOUS.

JUST DON'T BE A FAG AND YOU CAN STAY IN #dutch

joseph, it seems to me that the problem you're having is that you're not being accepted by a community not because of the language barriers, but because of your personality or actions taken. No matter where you go, you're going to need to earn respect. It doesn't matter if they're dutch, english, or swahili, earning respect is something that everyone should do. You're asking for a way to run away from the responsibility of earning the respect required of a newer player, while trying to grasp at threads to make a new channel for you to be the one demanding respect.


This isn't about languages. This is about being accepted, no? Don't run away from the real issue here.

joseph wrote:

I am not talking about the *respect/well know* part in #Dutch. You were already known outside of #dutch. That's the thing I'm talking about.

Those people might not be in the dutch community, but they realize that this idea isn't stupid. They actually admit that this is a good idea because there would be no problem for the Dutch people if we do.

And why would every Flemish person go trough the HARD WAY to EARN respect from the Dutch people if we can just have our own channel where we can chill out with each other instead of working hard to be recognized by Dutch people. Because that's what you just said.

Once again, if you want to be here to rage... Then I see no need for it. There is no harm done, nor will be.

Thanks once again.

That is the part you are hinting to. I was not known outside of #dutch when I happened to come across #dutch. You do not know my way here at osu!.

These people are not part of the #dutch community, but what are the chances they happened to stumble across this thread? They admit it's a good idea, because their friend thinks it's a good idea. No go in that part.

Every person has to earn respect through one way or another, even Dutch to Dutch. Not everyone is friendly. You just don't understand how life, or the internet works.

I'm not raging at you, I'm simply stating the facts at you, which you refuse to acknowledge.

Shiirn wrote:

This isn't about languages. This is about being accepted, no? Don't run away from the real issue here.

^

Shiirn wrote:

joseph, it seems to me that the problem you're having is that you're not being accepted by a community not because of the language barriers, but because of your personality or actions taken. No matter where you go, you're going to need to earn respect. It doesn't matter if they're dutch, english, or swahili, earning respect is something that everyone should do. You're asking for a way to run away from the responsibility of earning the respect required of a newer player, while trying to grasp at threads to make a new channel for you to be the one demanding respect.


This isn't about languages. This is about being accepted, no? Don't run away from the real issue here.

Once again, you are talking about respect and being accepted....
I never said that. You guys are talking about that not me. And I don't care about being the bad guy who started this. I talked with some flemish people and they told me that they don't like dutch. I told them if they would agree with #flemish and they said yes.

I am in #Dutch for 2.5years. Why would i suddently want to "run away"? Shiirn please try to understand the situation rather then telling me that I'm running away and stuff.
I don't even know what you guys are talking about with the respect thingy...

Anywaaaays... Support this and don't rage. I don't mind being the bad guy. As long as I can join a place where i can meet up with the others, I'm happy. That's what I'm trying to do. THE REASON is me bringing the others together because I never see someone from belgium in #Dutch. Well... I just saw one today and he/she said that he never talked because they told him to shut up. That Is all.

Thank you

Those people might not be in the dutch community, but they realize that this idea isn't stupid. They actually admit that this is a good idea because there would be no problem for the Dutch people if we do.

Like I said before, those are the kind of people who yell "support!!!!" without giving the actual suggestion even half a thought.

And why would every Flemish person go trough the HARD WAY to EARN respect from the Dutch people if we can just have our own channel where we can chill out with each other instead of working hard to be recognized by Dutch people. Because that's what you just said.

Is this your first time in an (internet) community? In every community you have to earn a reputation and respect. New people in the channel start with a clean sheet, where they can earn the (dis)respect of the community by their actions. dkun! earned our respect, where you did more than your best to be annoying. Now dkun! is a well respected guy in #dutch, and you are trying to get your own channel because you don't feel welcome anymore.

Requesting new channels is only for new languages; specifically, languages that do not already exist as part of the list. Due to the Flemmish using both French and Dutch, they are not incorporating any new languages and thus the culture/community itself does not need a new channel. This is the same reason Canada doesn't have a channel. The same reason the UK doesn't have a channel. The same reason China doesn't have 5 channels. The channels are for languages alone. Not communities.


Thus, denying this as invalid.

I disagree Shiirn. Every single Flemish person who speaks in #dutch becomes an object of ridicule in a matter of seconds. The wise thing to do is obviously to ignore the funny guys and find your own friends. That's why we can't find Flemish people in #dutch. They close the tab and don't come back to it. Which makes it a very hard job finding each other. A separate channel is an easy solution for this. The other is to have better moderators in the existing channel. Both seem pretty unlikely to happen, but the issue still had to be told.

Also dkun, maybe you should follow your own advise and not go defending your friends in matters that don't apply to you. You pretend you know #dutch because you've been there 2 years, but it's pretty obvious you don't know what's going on.

For exemple Flemish people don't use French. Please get to know us a little better before deciding?

Tho I have no votes, I still support

Shiirn wrote:

Requesting new channels is only for new languages; specifically, languages that do not already exist as part of the list. Due to the Flemmish using both French and Dutch, they are not incorporating any new languages and thus the culture/community itself does not need a new channel. This is the same reason Canada doesn't have a channel. The same reason the UK doesn't have a channel. The same reason China doesn't have 5 channels. The channels are for languages alone. Not communities.


Thus, denying this as invalid.

This got denied because of a misunderstanding! Great.

Thx a lot for everyone's time and support/non support! I really enjoyed this. Now i realized something about the Osu! community! I have to fight my way up and earn lots of respect. YEAH! Where i come dkun! We might end up next to each others in the #Dutch respect rank!

Also thanks for not closing this right away and giving it a chance. I really appreciate this. I'll tell the people from Belgium that there is nothing to worry about and that they can talk in #Dutch.

Thank you once again!

Once again, you are talking about respect and being accepted....
I never said that. You guys are talking about that not me.

Well, yeah, you are the one who is trying his best to ignore that fact.

I am in #Dutch for 2.5years. Why would i suddently want to "run away"?

I'm in #dutch since the day it was created. You haven't been active for 2,5 years. Yes, you might have lurked the channel for that amount of time, but no way you were active.

I don't even know what you guys are talking about with the respect thingy...

And here lies the real issue.

New channels are specifically for LANGUAGES, not for communities.

Your personal problems have no bearing on how the structuring of the language channels work.


Are you telling me Flemmish is a unique language unto itself? If not, then this request is invalid.

Sakisan2 wrote:

Also dkun, maybe you should follow your own advise and not go defending your friends in matters that don't apply to you. You pretend you know #dutch because you've been there 2 years, but it's pretty obvious you don't know what's going on.

For exemple Flemish people don't use French. Please get to know us a little better before deciding?

Excuse you? Matters that don't apply to me? I consider myself active in #dutch; I haven't seen your name pop up, now have I?

I pretend to know #dutch? I know #dutch. It's pretty obvious you're being oblivious to what I have to say, which you probably didn't read the rest of the thread. Don't even try to point that at me, because it's not going to work.

Also joseph, being sarcastic about it isn't going to help your issue one bit. There is good reason to why this was denied, and there's sound reasoning behind my, every other Dutch person's logic, and even Shiirn's logic behind all of this. You all just pretend to be oblivious and think your issue isn't about being accepted.

Shiirn wrote:

New channels are specifically for LANGUAGES, not for communities.

Your personal problems have no bearing on how the structuring of the language channels works.


Are you telling me Flemmish is a unique language unto itself? If not, then this request is invalid.

And there you have it. Are you going to find some way to get around this as well? Not giving you a chance, perhaps? Please, I'd like to see your twisted logic get around this.