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Splitting Overall Difficulty. [Added]

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This is a feature request. Feature requests can be voted up by supporters.
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Zerostarry
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Split the Overall Difficulty into 4 separate settings:

* The speed at which notes fade in
* The harshness of the hit window (accuracy)
* The difficulty of spinners
* The Speed of approach circles

These could go in a "Advanced Settings" tab in the Difficulty window.

What do you guys think?
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mattyu007
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I like this idea~
adamskii_uk
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adamskii_uk
I like this idea too. :)
ash
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ash
isn't this already on the to-do list? i remember suggesting this like months ago and getting a "will be done in the future" response

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oboewan
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And then you can have a "difficulty square" kinda like the "difficulty pentagon" in Stepmania!

I like it!

I OFFICIALLY SUPPORT THIS REQUEST.
Zerostarry
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m980
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This would do wonders for Authentic mapping.
Kitty McWittles
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Zerostarry wrote:

I really want this added.
It's not added but it's in the Completed Requests subsection? o.O

And to avoid spam... I'm not much of a mapper myself, but I understand how useful this could be and support it too.
mm201
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m980 wrote:

This would do wonders for Authentic mapping.
Shh, peppy has a vendetta against authentic mapping, and if he sees this, it will never get added! D=

IMO, it would be enough to split Overall Difficulty into Approach Rate (time the circles spend on the screen before you click them and the speed at which approach circles move) and Hit Window (error tolerance margin for scoring a 300/100/50 on a note). Spinner Difficulty might also be fair, seeing how on Authentic Easys, spinners tend to be pushovers but the hit window is just as mean. *still doesn't have an S on Walkie Talkie Man [Breezin']*

There are times when you want the circles to move in very slowly, but you don't necessarily want the hit window to be a pushover. Sometimes, slower approach circles can even make things harder and more confusing. *cough*JJF*cough*
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MetalMario201 wrote:

There are times when you want the circles to move in very slowly, but you don't necessarily want the hit window to be a pushover. Sometimes, slower approach circles can even make things harder and more confusing. *cough*JJF*cough*
Agreed.

+1 support.
Gens
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Samurai_X wrote:

It's not added but it's in the Completed Requests subsection? o.O

peppy wrote:

Feature requests will automatically be moved to the "resolved" subforum after 28 days.
And... Yes, I like this Feature. :)

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Zerostarry
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Kitty McWittles
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Gens wrote:

peppy wrote:

Feature requests will automatically be moved to the "resolved" subforum after 28 days
/me fails :(
Zerostarry
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Bump (and moved out of completed)
Derekku
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+Support.

I always love more customization options. Plus it adds the ability for more creativity :)
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mm201
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Bump.

Just think of the possibilities:
  1. Slow approach/small hit window for JJF-style confusion.
  2. Fast approach/sane hit window for Cheergirls goodness without necessarily hitting 100s everywhere.
Gabi
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Zerostarry wrote:

* Approach Rate (Fading, approach circles)
* Hit Window
* Spinner Difficulty
hit window should not be messed with

setting a super short spinner which you can 2000 easily is just odd

that leaves approach rate, which you can already set.

also this will most likley confuse new mappers even more.

i do not support this
Starrodkirby86
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If new mappers get confused from it, why are they even looking in an 'Advanced' tab? :roll:
They can still set the Overall Difficulty like always, it's just for the people that want to tweak particular aspects of the song with some Advanced Settings.

Looking at this, how would the peppystars be handled? o:

I have some faint support here.
CheeseWarlock
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I'd like to add something but I don't think there's any more to say. +1 support.
mm201
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Gabi wrote:

hit window should not be messed with
Explain. Please consider playing Music Hour on Insane (approach rate IS authentic) before replying.

Gabi wrote:

setting a super short spinner which you can 2000 easily is just odd
Of course, every new worthwhile feature has abuse potential, but there are many benefits to be had as well. (And BTW if peppy adds this, you can be sure that there will be reasonable restrictions on the settings.)

Gabi wrote:

that leaves approach rate, which you can already set.
Not directly. You can only set a combined approach rate/hit window setting, which brings us back to point (1).

Starrodkirby86 wrote:

Looking at this, how would the peppystars be handled? o:
Average Approach Rate and Hit Window to calculate Overall Difficulty?
Gabi
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its just like you said, any new feature can be abused, which is why we dont need to have 3 more things in the overall difficulty getting abused. i don't really care about the "authentic" maps. this is not Oendan/EBA, it is based on it though.

have a super small hitbox with super fast/slow circle approach would just feel retarded (IMO idk about how you feel during game play) and having a super large hitbox with super fast/slow would just be abusing the system giving everyone easy SS's. having it "inbetween" would just be like it is now.

as of spinners, im kind of neutral on this actually. however i DOUBT peppy would make spinners easier then they can be on the easiest overall difficulty, thus leaving us with 1/4 maybe 2/4 shorter spinners then the rankable ones

also if this feature would be implemented wouldn't it kind of affect the already ranked maps? or would all settings be exactly set to the correct settings?

You can only set a combined approach rate/hit window setting
i stand but what i said that THIS compliment each other well already and does NOT need any more features.

again these are my oppinions, if you think they are stupid go ahead and ignore them.
mm201
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The point is, as it is now, when the approach rate is set really high, the hit window becomes impossibly small, such that even the best player will hit 100s all over the place. (Note the lack of SSes on that map and all the FC Bs in the top 50.)

Even though the far right two settings for Overall Difficulty correspond to playable approach rates, they do not correspond to playable hit windows. The mapper should be allowed to pick these approach rates but still use a more sane hit window.
peppy
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What about changing the hit window for the highest two settings rather than splitting this out?
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Derekku
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After reading over this thread, I really don't see any point in this request :/
m980
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So what happened with this request?
Zerostarry
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o.o

It died, though I'd still like to see this added
mm201
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It went where every good feature request related to mapping goes. =/
Torran
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+Support
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Kitsunemimi
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moar support gogogo
Zekira
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YES PLEASE. Taiko also needs this to make deathspinners. Though the logic between the speed of approach circles and the harshness of the hit window should still be directly proportional IMO
mm201
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Zekira wrote:

YES PLEASE. Taiko also needs this to make deathspinners. Though the logic between the speed of approach circles and the harshness of the hit window should still be directly proportional IMO
No. In fact, I'd say quite the opposite. Spinners can reasonably be made dependent on the harshness of the hit window, but approach rate should be variable.

At present, BOTH the lowest two settings AND the highest two settings are a joke, because the lowest two are ridiculously too tolerant, even for beginners, while the highest two are unplayable.

Of course, there's a certain visual appeal to both slow circles and fast ones.
deadbeat
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i've been thinking about something like this for a while..support :)
would make mapping more fun in some ways
Detective Tuesday
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This is a rhythm game. Timing windows and circle approach speed should have absolutely nothing to do with each other, nor should timing windows vary ever... And I wasn't aware that they did. Do they?
RandomJibberish
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Yeah, it's part of overall difficulty. The timing windows got tighter in higher difficulties of the original games too.
m980
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WROOONG!

Timing windows were strict for the whole game. They didn't get tighter, the Approach Circles just went in faster.
anonymous_old
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m980 wrote:

WROOONG!

Timing windows were strict for the whole game. They didn't get tighter, the Approach Circles just went in faster.
Now you are making me want to test this.
GabrielRKF
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makes sense.
Support
mm201
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strager wrote:

m980 wrote:

WROOONG!

Timing windows were strict for the whole game. They didn't get tighter, the Approach Circles just went in faster.
Now you are making me want to test this.
I still can't get S on Walkie Talkie Man [Breezin']. :(
RandomJibberish
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m980 wrote:

WROOONG!

Timing windows were strict for the whole game. They didn't get tighter, the Approach Circles just went in faster.
Ah, I didn't know that.

MetalMario201 wrote:

I still can't get S on Walkie Talkie Man [Breezin']. :(
Lol you aren't the only one. I can S a good number of the other Breezin' songs, but the easiest in the game is still just an A.
NotShinta
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Huh, I didn't know that about timing windows either. It makes sense thinking about it though.

Walkie Talkie Man on Breezin' is hard to S because of how slow it feels and the amount of beats. You're only allowed 5 100s for an S IIRC. I did it a few times though.
Torran
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I'm bumping this. The Anthem is driving me NUTS!
mm201
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Me too.
Takuma
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Hey, I remember this. :D +support
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