Ѽ CTB difficulties modding assistance Ѽ (+standard) [Closed]

9★ - DECO*27 feat. marina - Aimai Elegy - DaxMasterix (Ѽ)
8★ - IOSYS - Endless Tewi-ma Park - Drafura (Ѽ)
9★ - Dimrain47 - Forsaken Neon - bomber34 (Ѽ + ①)
6★ - Yuuki Aoi - PLATINUM (Short Ver.) - SUBSTAC9 (Ѽ) - RANKED

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ZHSteven

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ZHSteven 2012-02-08T02:13:42+00:00

+support.
Gladly I am the first here~~
DJ YOSHITAKA- Evans
diff name: Catch The Beat(Catch the Jubeat still WIP)

Remember, everything I am pointing out in my mod is all suggestions.
I never force mapper to change something, except I use a red big bold font.(rule related)
I believe modding is a learning process, not only the mapper, but the modder.

So please think, before just say "yes", or "no"

Thank you all who help and love my map. Best wishes to you all.
Dead END

jossieP

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jossieP 2012-02-08T02:18:53+00:00

ZHSteven wrote:
diff name: Catch The Beat(Catch the Jubeat still WIP)

[Sarcasm] what a awesome creativity ctb players have [/Sarcasm]

PM any hard Timing.
Build your own style, everything still looks the same atm.

Deif

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Deif 2012-02-08T02:58:51+00:00

ikari_kyon wrote:
ZHSteven wrote:
diff name: Catch The Beat(Catch the Jubeat still WIP)
[Sarcasm] what a awesome creativity ctb players have [/Sarcasm]

Deif wrote:
And haters, please refrain from posting here

If you doesn't have something creative/helpful to say, why do you even flood this thread?

@Steven: That'll be modded ASAP.

jossieP

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jossieP 2012-02-08T03:46:22+00:00

I just was saying about creativity xD I dont hate nothing

Edit: sorry if someone has offended =v=

PM any hard Timing.
Build your own style, everything still looks the same atm.

Shiro

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Shiro 2012-02-08T07:12:58+00:00

Count me in for modding. I just hope I'll have some time. Also you can add me to the list of mappers soon~

For modders, you should PM the mapper instead of posting here, it will be simpler imo.
Deif, will you keep a list of CtB difficulties ?

Deif

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Deif 2012-02-08T10:39:44+00:00

Odaril wrote:
For modders, you should PM the mapper instead of posting here, it will be simpler imo.

I thought about posting here the mods for non-submitted maps to make a feedback for other modders, to see what else can be improved or added. And so, modders can give out more accurate advices.

Odaril wrote:
Deif, will you keep a list of CtB difficulties ?

Sure, it'll be updated as soon as a mapper post here, to keep a list of "rankable" maps. Crazy ones will be avoided (e.g. Ohigan FuzzyClap [Verdi's CTB]), as they're only for fun.

Weez

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Weez 2012-02-08T15:28:04+00:00

hummmm guys i should start mapping ctb diffs again

Hi

Deif

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Deif 2012-02-08T17:06:07+00:00

DJ YOSHITAKA - Evans [Catch the Beat] - Modded by Drafura, Deif

Ninja'd by ~30 minutes orz.

Moar maps!

EDIT: Added XL Project - THE DAMNED STALKERS [Steven's ctb] by request of the mapper.

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Foreverends

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Foreverends 2012-02-09T11:07:46+00:00

http://osu.ppy.sh/s/40678
just CTB,THx~~!!! >,<
(but still not finish -,-)

Deif

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Deif 2012-02-09T15:49:48+00:00

Foreverends wrote:
http://osu.ppy.sh/s/40678
just CTB,THx~~!!! >,<
(but still not finish -,-)

Your map isn't finished yet, but I'll suggest you to low Circle Size by 1. Call us back when it's finished.

Modded The Damned Stalkers btw.

Disease_old_1

Disease_old_1 2012-02-09T15:52:35+00:00

holy- finally a thread to compile all CTB diffs :< if you could only put all the existing ctb diffs in here..

CLSW

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CLSW 2012-02-09T15:54:33+00:00

http://puu.sh/fwXL
(CLSWTB Extra diff)
Here we go.
Oh, ofc I support this project.

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Hazelz

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Hazelz 2012-02-09T15:55:06+00:00

Hmm, it's rankable?

CLSW

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CLSW 2012-02-09T16:04:14+00:00

Hmm, it's rankable?

Take into account that CTB diffs are now unrankable, and this can be a helpful way to improve that current guidelines

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Deif

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Deif 2012-02-09T16:36:50+00:00

Modpost for: Daisuke Achiwa - BASARA [CLSWTB Extra] (don't forget to provide a new DL link with all the changes).

CLSWTB Extra:

General:

The only remarkable issue is the inappropiate use of C1-Claps. I felt they were used randomly in some parts of the song, please fix it.

Rankable issues:

Auto = SS?: Yes

Unreachable/Border-reachable spots: No

Gameplay:

Really fun diff, easy to read. Only a few things to say:

HP Drain -2, it's way high now. Plus, in many spots without triplets it's really hard to recover the Life Bar.

00:15:792 (11,12,13) - The distance between these notes make them a hard pattern to FC. You can place them more separated to create hyperdashes in (11) and (12).
02:51:907 (8,9) - Kinda wide the transition between (5,6,7,8) and (9,10,11,12). Try to create an hyperdashed (8).
03:15:100 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15,16,17,18,19,20,21,22,23,24,25) - This can be called a "Hold Stream"... I hope it's ok.

To finish:

^ This pattern ("Hold Slider") is a really nice idea I've already seen in some of your maps. I'll post it in the Guidelines thread to see what people think about it =)

1st play

Disregard NoFail

ZHSteven

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ZHSteven 2012-02-09T17:36:27+00:00

Mod post for Daisuke Achiwa - BASARA [CLSWTB Extra]

I just have a briefly look at the hole map. Very nice imo.
I will give a full mod post tomorrow, now just highlighting 2 problem:

1. Score.

This kind of score cannot be ranked. But if you are aiming for approval, it is ok.
I think it is because your hold slider pattern. That is a briliant idea, but just cannot handle the max score. That will make this pattern can only appeared in app map.

2. Overmap.
The whole map gives me a feeling that is overmap. maybe you can introduce some breaks, or make some of the stream reduced to triples?just suggestion.

and lastly, if you finally upload this map, may i make a taiko diff?because I am currently do it..XD Thanks~

Edit. mod almost done. So I just wait to post it into your BSS thread~

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Remember, everything I am pointing out in my mod is all suggestions.
I never force mapper to change something, except I use a red big bold font.(rule related)
I believe modding is a learning process, not only the mapper, but the modder.

So please think, before just say "yes", or "no"

Thank you all who help and love my map. Best wishes to you all.
Dead END

CLSW

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CLSW 2012-02-09T18:18:46+00:00

Accepted everything.

I'll fix them and upload soon. And this is for approval.

(CLSWTB Extra : App, CLSWTB Another ↓ : Ranked)

and lastly, if you finally upload this map, may i make a taiko diff?because I am currently do it..XD Thanks~

Sure~ welcome!

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Mercurial 2012-02-09T20:41:23+00:00

Deif wrote:
To finish:

^ This pattern ("Hold Slider") is a really nice idea I've already seen in some of your maps. I'll post it in the Guidelines thread to see what people think about it =)

For me it's ok, it would be accepted.

Inb4 thnks for add me in the mod queue.

Edit:

03:15:100 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15,16,17,18,19,20,21,22,23,24,25) - This can be called a "Hold Stream"... I hope it's ok.

I think max combo could be 16 or 18, not 25 imo.

arien666

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arien666 2012-02-11T05:17:07+00:00

http://puu.sh/gti9
[It is related with Ranked mapset http://osu.ppy.sh/s/43236 but seperated osz file with ranked mapset's features]

Worried points
1. Hyper-dashes ;_;
2. 1/4 Increasing distance stream. 01:16:025 (5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12)
3. Double notes like http://osu.ppy.sh/ss/240659

meow :3...

GG

Zelos

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Zelos 2012-02-11T05:50:42+00:00

Never noticed this.
You can definitely count me in for modding and mapping.
321STARS did have a CTB map I originally made but I removed it.
(First American \o/)

Zelos is coming back guys!
I will be back to modding shortly you guys!

Modding Status: I will be asking around in #modreqs for requests.
Guest Status: Not accepting currently as I want to make sure my mapping style hasn't gone to shit!
Timing Status: You can go ahead and forum pm those.

ZHSteven

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ZHSteven 2012-02-11T07:56:17+00:00

arien666 wrote:
http://puu.sh/gti9
[It is related with Ranked mapset http://osu.ppy.sh/s/43236 but seperated osz file with ranked mapset's features]

Worried points
1. Hyper-dashes ;_; I think the hyperdash in this map is OK for ranking.
2. 1/4 Increasing distance stream. 01:16:025 (5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12) yes this is a good parttern for CTB map.
3. Double notes like http://osu.ppy.sh/ss/240659
According to Deif's post, I would say if the end of the first silder and the beginning of the second slider stack properly, it will be OK.

meow :3...

Remember, everything I am pointing out in my mod is all suggestions.
I never force mapper to change something, except I use a red big bold font.(rule related)
I believe modding is a learning process, not only the mapper, but the modder.

So please think, before just say "yes", or "no"

Thank you all who help and love my map. Best wishes to you all.
Dead END

Drafura

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Drafura 2012-02-11T15:14:15+00:00

http://osu.ppy.sh/s/44546 one more.

I'll mod CLSW when it's update on BSS with previous mods fix done. And Foreverends one when it's finished. If you have question about ctb mapping don't hesitate to mp one of the modders instead of posting an unfinished beatmap.

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My CtB modding queue.

ZHSteven

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ZHSteven 2012-02-11T16:38:54+00:00

Drafura wrote:
http://osu.ppy.sh/s/44546 one more.

mod4mod: Sound Horizon - Arbelge no Tatakai
Some of the pattern is very old.. But I think it is Ok..
lol
Edit: wrong URL sorry.. now fixed

Remember, everything I am pointing out in my mod is all suggestions.
I never force mapper to change something, except I use a red big bold font.(rule related)
I believe modding is a learning process, not only the mapper, but the modder.

So please think, before just say "yes", or "no"

Thank you all who help and love my map. Best wishes to you all.
Dead END

Deif

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Deif 2012-02-11T17:37:52+00:00

I've updated the OP post, check it out the changes and tell me if I'm missing anything~

ZHSteven wrote:
Drafura wrote:
http://osu.ppy.sh/s/44546 one more.
mod4mod: Sound Horizon - Arbelge no Tatakai

A mod4mod isn't really needed, as every mapper can mod every map posted here www. Btw, there are 4 Alberge no Tatakai's different CTB maps afaik :p

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Deif

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Deif 2012-02-11T17:57:48+00:00

Modpost for Mix Speaker's,Inc. - Shiny tale (TV Size) [Urane's Catch Expert]:

Urane's Catch Expert:

arien666 wrote:
Worried points
1. Hyper-dashes ;_; (They're perfectly fine)
Proof
2. 1/4 Increasing distance stream. 01:16:025 (5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12) (They're ok, it's not a hard part to FC)
3. Double notes like http://osu.ppy.sh/ss/240659 (These notes aren't allowed, due to 2 notes existing in the same tick)

meow :3... (woof \:3/)

The map is really good. There are not remarkable issues, but that stacked sliders.

Drafura

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Drafura 2012-02-11T17:59:02+00:00

Mod Post for Mix Speaker's,Inc. - Shiny tale (TV Size) [Urane's Catch Expert]

First try :

AR8 is ok but since it's 189 bpm i'll use AR9 it fits really better with the song.

00:13:327 (1,9) - Seeing Odaril and Shiirn post this is not going to be rankable one day. Use normal slider with a return.
00:13:962 (3,2) - ^
00:15:867 (1,10) - ^
00:16:502 (3,2) - ^
00:47:454 (1,2,3,4) - Could seem freaky but i love this and it's really not so hard (especially with AR9) so I approve this for both AR.
01:14:120 (1,2,3,4) - Seeing Odaril and Shiirn post this is not going to be rankable one day. Don't use double ticks.
01:21:104 (5,6,7,8) - ^
01:23:644 (4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11) - No, use a standard stream add one or 2 hypers on it or something but these kind of streams are ugly and nobody plays it as it has to be played : they just try to stay in the middle and pray to don't miss cause the number of movements/minutes is too high to try to do all the movements.

-----------------------------
To everyone : Please upload your beatmaps it's better to don't overlap mods

3 mods in a row + 1 recheck... i'm going to play a bit now...

My CtB modding queue.

CLSW

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CLSW 2012-02-12T07:58:28+00:00

http://osu.ppy.sh/s/44701

:3

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Mercurial 2012-02-12T18:15:17+00:00

When I'm back at home, I'll do some mods, sorry for my lazyness.

Shiro

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Shiro 2012-02-18T10:24:54+00:00

I made a CtB map (not finished, this is pretty much a test).

Map is http://osu.ppy.sh/s/30545

diff

osu file format v9

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AudioLeadIn: 1000
PreviewTime: 10886
Countdown: 0
SampleSet: Soft
StackLeniency: 0.7
Mode: 2
LetterboxInBreaks: 1

[Editor]
Bookmarks: 156447
DistanceSpacing: 1
BeatDivisor: 4
GridSize: 16

[Metadata]
Title:Izayoi Namida
Artist:Yoshioka Aika
Creator:Odaril
Version:CtB Insane
Source:Hakuouki
Tags:opening op Shinsengumi Kitan

[Difficulty]
HPDrainRate:6
CircleSize:4
OverallDifficulty:8
ApproachRate:9
SliderMultiplier:2.4
SliderTickRate:2

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//Break Periods
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//Storyboard Sound Samples
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The diff is pretty easy, but my goal was to show that even easy things don't convert well from Standard.

ZHSteven

osu! Alumni

665 posts

Joined July 2009

ZHSteven 2012-02-18T16:05:41+00:00

modding post for Yoshioka Aika - Izayoi Namida[CTB insane]

I know it is just a test, but I would like to just give some of the discussion for this map.XD

Yes actually this is a good example of showing that easy CTB diff cannot convert well from standard.
We can see there is a lot of unexpected spacing change which plays well in CTB but stupid in standard.

Some mods:

00:18:769 (1) - unexpected hyper.(actually I agreed to put a hyper here but this one seems too big)
00:20:164 (3) - move more towards left? seems the spacing between 3 and next 1 is a little bit small.
00:25:280 (3,4) - I think it is better to ctrl+H and reduce a litte bit for this jump. that will better fit the music.
00:35:280 (5,6,1) - just my personal opinion, I think spacing here is not very well even playing with CTB mode..
00:39:234 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15) - great pattern. I think if you make the spacing in every row increasing, will be much better XD

things need to consider and discuss:
1.
00:54:118 (1,1) - I think using 2 spinner together is not good for CTB. Because in today's OSU, spinner is no longer consider as a new combo. That will make the fruit in 1st spinner cannot drop like new combo when doing the 2nd spinner. At the end, if the spinner is long, we will see a looooooooot of fruit inside the plate, causing system lag..

2.
01:06:676 (7,8,9,10,11) - I dont know whether we can use 1/8 like this. Moving 1/8 in CTB is not a good idea. It needs very accurate spacing. So shall we just discuss about it?

Remember, everything I am pointing out in my mod is all suggestions.
I never force mapper to change something, except I use a red big bold font.(rule related)
I believe modding is a learning process, not only the mapper, but the modder.

So please think, before just say "yes", or "no"

Thank you all who help and love my map. Best wishes to you all.
Dead END

Shiro

Global Moderator

4,984 posts

Joined May 2009

Shiro 2012-02-18T16:32:48+00:00

ZHSteven wrote:
modding post for Yoshioka Aika - Izayoi Namida[CTB insane]

I know it is just a test, but I would like to just give some of the discussion for this map.XD That's why I posted it here =p

Yes actually this is a good example of showing that easy CTB diff cannot convert well from standard.
We can see there is a lot of unexpected spacing change which plays well in CTB but stupid in standard.

Some mods:
SPOILER
00:18:769 (1) - unexpected hyper.(actually I agreed to put a hyper here but this one seems too big) hm... not sure how I can change it... tried to reduce it a bit
00:20:164 (3) - move more towards left? seems the spacing between 3 and next 1 is a little bit small. okay
00:25:280 (3,4) - I think it is better to ctrl+H and reduce a litte bit for this jump. that will better fit the music. reduced a teeny tiny bit. I still want it to be an hyperdash
00:35:280 (5,6,1) - just my personal opinion, I think spacing here is not very well even playing with CTB mode.. changed
00:39:234 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15) - great pattern. I think if you make the spacing in every row increasing, will be much better XD let's try this

things need to consider and discuss:
1.
00:54:118 (1,1) - I think using 2 spinner together is not good for CTB. Because in today's OSU, spinner is no longer consider as a new combo. That will make the fruit in 1st spinner cannot drop like new combo when doing the 2nd spinner. At the end, if the spinner is long, we will see a looooooooot of fruit inside the plate, causing system lag.. fixed by placing a circle between them

2.
01:06:676 (7,8,9,10,11) - I dont know whether we can use 1/8 like this. Moving 1/8 in CTB is not a good idea. It needs very accurate spacing. So shall we just discuss about it? I don't think it's that bad. The fruits are REALLY close to one another and quite easy to catch. I'll wait for more imput though.

Thanks~

modified diff

osu file format v9

[General]
AudioFilename: Hakuouki Shinsengumi Kitan Opening Song Full.mp3
AudioLeadIn: 1000
PreviewTime: 10886
Countdown: 0
SampleSet: Soft
StackLeniency: 0.7
Mode: 2
LetterboxInBreaks: 1

[Editor]
Bookmarks: 156447
DistanceSpacing: 1
BeatDivisor: 4
GridSize: 16

[Metadata]
Title:Izayoi Namida
Artist:Yoshioka Aika
Creator:Odaril
Version:CtB Insane
Source:Hakuouki
Tags:opening op Shinsengumi Kitan

[Difficulty]
HPDrainRate:6
CircleSize:4
OverallDifficulty:8
ApproachRate:9
SliderMultiplier:2.4
SliderTickRate:2

[Events]
//Background and Video events
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//Break Periods
//Storyboard Layer 0 (Background)
//Storyboard Layer 1 (Fail)
//Storyboard Layer 2 (Pass)
//Storyboard Layer 3 (Foreground)
//Storyboard Sound Samples
//Background Colour Transformations
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96,224,34350,1,2
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448,160,35048,1,8
352,80,35280,1,0
320,80,35397,1,0
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304,144,37141,1,0
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64,256,39350,1,2
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160,192,41792,1,0
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400,64,44583,1,2
416,64,44699,1,0
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288,192,45978,1,0
80,256,46211,1,10
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208,256,46559,1,0
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320,96,50397,5,4
384,96,50629,1,0
448,96,50862,1,8
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256,192,56676,5,0
256,192,56792,12,0,58304
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160,160,61908,1,0
32,240,62024,2,0,B|160:240,2,120,8|0|0
256,304,62722,1,0
176,304,62955,1,8
416,304,63187,1,0
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320,176,64583,1,0
432,176,64815,1,8
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80,144,66327,1,8
64,192,66443,1,0
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ZHSteven

osu! Alumni

665 posts

Joined July 2009

ZHSteven 2012-02-18T17:02:23+00:00

Odaril wrote:
things need to consider and discuss:
1.
00:54:118 (1,1) - I think using 2 spinner together is not good for CTB. Because in today's OSU, spinner is no longer consider as a new combo. That will make the fruit in 1st spinner cannot drop like new combo when doing the 2nd spinner. At the end, if the spinner is long, we will see a looooooooot of fruit inside the plate, causing system lag.. fixed by placing a circle between them

once you fixed this problem, another problem appears.. the note you add is too close to the 2nd spinner, results in the note is hidden inside the spinner. It is very hard to find out which is the "note" and which is the "spinner" while playing.
2.
01:06:676 (7,8,9,10,11) - I dont know whether we can use 1/8 like this. Moving 1/8 in CTB is not a good idea. It needs very accurate spacing. So shall we just discuss about it? I don't think it's that bad. The fruits are REALLY close to one another and quite easy to catch. I'll wait for more imput though.
I agreed that the 1/8 in this diff is OK, just afraid this will be abuse in the future. I think we need to find some rules for it.
e.g: from megurine Ruka & Kagamine Rin - ANTI THEHOLiC

Wow reply so fast~
Thanks

Edit: Best tries:

Remember, everything I am pointing out in my mod is all suggestions.
I never force mapper to change something, except I use a red big bold font.(rule related)
I believe modding is a learning process, not only the mapper, but the modder.

So please think, before just say "yes", or "no"

Thank you all who help and love my map. Best wishes to you all.
Dead END

Deif

Elite Mapper / osu!catch Paragon

3,564 posts

Joined April 2010

Topic Starter

Deif 2012-02-18T17:44:11+00:00

Uploaded Odaril's map with the new diff via puush, so it's now easier to DL for modders/players: http://puu.sh/hoP0

Sorry for being a bit afk, family matters =) Btw, I have a little project in mind (ez2catch related).

ZHSteven

osu! Alumni

665 posts

Joined July 2009

ZHSteven 2012-02-18T17:47:31+00:00

Deif wrote:
Uploaded Odaril's map with the new diff via puush, so it's now easier to DL for modders/players: http://puu.sh/hoP0

Sorry for being a bit afk, family matters =) Btw, I have a little project in mind (ez2catch related).

great may I join in it?~~although I dont even know what ez2catch is~~ jk~

Remember, everything I am pointing out in my mod is all suggestions.
I never force mapper to change something, except I use a red big bold font.(rule related)
I believe modding is a learning process, not only the mapper, but the modder.

So please think, before just say "yes", or "no"

Thank you all who help and love my map. Best wishes to you all.
Dead END

Deif

Elite Mapper / osu!catch Paragon

3,564 posts

Joined April 2010

Topic Starter

Deif 2012-02-18T18:14:25+00:00

ZHSteven wrote:
Deif wrote:
Uploaded Odaril's map with the new diff via puush, so it's now easier to DL for modders/players: http://puu.sh/hoP0

Sorry for being a bit afk, family matters =) Btw, I have a little project in mind (ez2catch related).
great may I join in it?~~although I dont even know what ez2catch is~~ jk~

Oh, nevermind... I was trying to convert EZ2Catch original maps to CTB, but it's completely impossible. See this video:

Deif

Elite Mapper / osu!catch Paragon

3,564 posts

Joined April 2010

Topic Starter

Deif 2012-02-19T21:26:39+00:00

Vale is gonna kill me: http://osu.ppy.sh/s/45135

/me hides

eldnl

Former osu!catch Champion: 2013

2,930 posts

Joined March 2010

eldnl 2012-02-19T21:42:44+00:00

I can be modder and mapper deif

Edit: I'll mod vale's map.

[General]

- Overjumped in my opinion don't use to many hyperdashes.
- Circle size 3 is too big in my opinion and seems very bad, 4 works better.
- The HP Drain Rate feels too high, I suggest that for hard and jumpy maps use 5, because if you miss an hyperdash you will fail :/

[Diff]

00:13:939 (1,2,3,4,5,6) Jumps like this are pretty good, but in parts where it fits, using these jumps in random parts are annoying because is harder to follow the rhythm and is harder to catch. Reduce a little the spacing between these notes. (An example of good jumps are this map http://osu.ppy.sh/s/24960)
01:22:230 (1,2,3,4) This jumps is extremely hard in my opinion, the spacing is too big and unexpected. Please change it.
01:55:144 (2,3,4) Why you put jumps in triplets? this plays very bad in my opinion and most of the time are confusing, please avoid these jumps.
01:57:887 (2,3,4) ^ Same as above,

Deif

Elite Mapper / osu!catch Paragon

3,564 posts

Joined April 2010

Topic Starter

Deif 2012-02-19T23:24:57+00:00

The map is already uploaded via BSS, eldnl. You may post in the map's thread to get your reward :p

Shiro

Global Moderator

4,984 posts

Joined May 2009

Shiro 2012-02-20T08:17:20+00:00

Someone make a "CtB mapper and modder" userbar please.