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Deif
Elite Mapper / osu!catch Paragon
3,564 posts
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Deif
DJ YOSHITAKA - Evans [Catch the Beat] - Modded by Drafura, Deif

Ninja'd by ~30 minutes orz.

Moar maps!

EDIT: Added XL Project - THE DAMNED STALKERS [Steven's ctb] by request of the mapper.
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Foreverends
992 posts
Joined July 2011
Foreverends
http://osu.ppy.sh/s/40678
just CTB,THx~~!!! >,<
(but still not finish -,-)
Deif
Elite Mapper / osu!catch Paragon
3,564 posts
Joined April 2010
Topic Starter
Deif

Foreverends wrote:

http://osu.ppy.sh/s/40678
just CTB,THx~~!!! >,<
(but still not finish -,-)
Your map isn't finished yet, but I'll suggest you to low Circle Size by 1. Call us back when it's finished.

Modded The Damned Stalkers btw.
Disease_old_1
Disease_old_1
holy- finally a thread to compile all CTB diffs :< if you could only put all the existing ctb diffs in here..
CLSW
osu! Alumni
2,182 posts
Joined October 2010
CLSW
http://puu.sh/fwXL
(CLSWTB Extra diff)
Here we go.
Oh, ofc I support this project.
Hazelz
41 posts
Joined January 2012
Hazelz
Hmm, it's rankable?
CLSW
osu! Alumni
2,182 posts
Joined October 2010
CLSW
Hmm, it's rankable?
Take into account that CTB diffs are now unrankable, and this can be a helpful way to improve that current guidelines
Deif
Elite Mapper / osu!catch Paragon
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Joined April 2010
Topic Starter
Deif
Modpost for: Daisuke Achiwa - BASARA [CLSWTB Extra] (don't forget to provide a new DL link with all the changes).

CLSWTB Extra:

General:

The only remarkable issue is the inappropiate use of C1-Claps. I felt they were used randomly in some parts of the song, please fix it.

Rankable issues:

Auto = SS?: Yes
SPOILER
Unreachable/Border-reachable spots: No

Gameplay:

Really fun diff, easy to read. Only a few things to say:

HP Drain -2, it's way high now. Plus, in many spots without triplets it's really hard to recover the Life Bar.

00:15:792 (11,12,13) - The distance between these notes make them a hard pattern to FC. You can place them more separated to create hyperdashes in (11) and (12).
02:51:907 (8,9) - Kinda wide the transition between (5,6,7,8) and (9,10,11,12). Try to create an hyperdashed (8).
03:15:100 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15,16,17,18,19,20,21,22,23,24,25) - This can be called a "Hold Stream"... I hope it's ok.

To finish:



^ This pattern ("Hold Slider") is a really nice idea I've already seen in some of your maps. I'll post it in the Guidelines thread to see what people think about it =)

1st play
Disregard NoFail

ZHSteven
osu! Alumni
665 posts
Joined July 2009
ZHSteven
Mod post for Daisuke Achiwa - BASARA [CLSWTB Extra]

I just have a briefly look at the hole map. Very nice imo.
I will give a full mod post tomorrow, now just highlighting 2 problem:

1. Score.

This kind of score cannot be ranked. But if you are aiming for approval, it is ok.
I think it is because your hold slider pattern. That is a briliant idea, but just cannot handle the max score. That will make this pattern can only appeared in app map.

2. Overmap.
The whole map gives me a feeling that is overmap. maybe you can introduce some breaks, or make some of the stream reduced to triples?just suggestion.

SPOILER
and lastly, if you finally upload this map, may i make a taiko diff?because I am currently do it..XD Thanks~
Edit. mod almost done. So I just wait to post it into your BSS thread~
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CLSW
osu! Alumni
2,182 posts
Joined October 2010
CLSW
Accepted everything.

I'll fix them and upload soon. And this is for approval.

(CLSWTB Extra : App, CLSWTB Another ↓ : Ranked)

and lastly, if you finally upload this map, may i make a taiko diff?because I am currently do it..XD Thanks~
Sure~ welcome!
Mercurial
Mercurial

Deif wrote:

To finish:



^ This pattern ("Hold Slider") is a really nice idea I've already seen in some of your maps. I'll post it in the Guidelines thread to see what people think about it =)
For me it's ok, it would be accepted.

Inb4 thnks for add me in the mod queue.

Edit:

03:15:100 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15,16,17,18,19,20,21,22,23,24,25) - This can be called a "Hold Stream"... I hope it's ok.

I think max combo could be 16 or 18, not 25 imo.

arien666
6,273 posts
Joined May 2009
arien666
http://puu.sh/gti9
[It is related with Ranked mapset http://osu.ppy.sh/s/43236 but seperated osz file with ranked mapset's features]

Worried points
1. Hyper-dashes ;_;
2. 1/4 Increasing distance stream. 01:16:025 (5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12)
3. Double notes like http://osu.ppy.sh/ss/240659



meow :3...
Zelos
1,111 posts
Joined May 2010
Zelos
Never noticed this.
You can definitely count me in for modding and mapping.
321STARS did have a CTB map I originally made but I removed it.
(First American \o/)
ZHSteven
osu! Alumni
665 posts
Joined July 2009
ZHSteven

arien666 wrote:

http://puu.sh/gti9
[It is related with Ranked mapset http://osu.ppy.sh/s/43236 but seperated osz file with ranked mapset's features]

Worried points
1. Hyper-dashes ;_; I think the hyperdash in this map is OK for ranking.
2. 1/4 Increasing distance stream. 01:16:025 (5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12) yes this is a good parttern for CTB map.
3. Double notes like http://osu.ppy.sh/ss/240659
According to Deif's post, I would say if the end of the first silder and the beginning of the second slider stack properly, it will be OK.



meow :3...
Drafura
osu! Alumni
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Joined April 2010
Drafura
http://osu.ppy.sh/s/44546 one more.

I'll mod CLSW when it's update on BSS with previous mods fix done. And Foreverends one when it's finished. If you have question about ctb mapping don't hesitate to mp one of the modders instead of posting an unfinished beatmap.
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ZHSteven
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ZHSteven

Drafura wrote:

http://osu.ppy.sh/s/44546 one more.
mod4mod: Sound Horizon - Arbelge no Tatakai
Some of the pattern is very old.. But I think it is Ok..
lol
Edit: wrong URL sorry.. now fixed
Deif
Elite Mapper / osu!catch Paragon
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Topic Starter
Deif
I've updated the OP post, check it out the changes and tell me if I'm missing anything~

ZHSteven wrote:

Drafura wrote:

http://osu.ppy.sh/s/44546 one more.
mod4mod: Sound Horizon - Arbelge no Tatakai
A mod4mod isn't really needed, as every mapper can mod every map posted here www. Btw, there are 4 Alberge no Tatakai's different CTB maps afaik :p
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Deif
Elite Mapper / osu!catch Paragon
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Deif
Modpost for Mix Speaker's,Inc. - Shiny tale (TV Size) [Urane's Catch Expert]:

Urane's Catch Expert:

arien666 wrote:

Worried points
1. Hyper-dashes ;_; (They're perfectly fine)
Proof
2. 1/4 Increasing distance stream. 01:16:025 (5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12) (They're ok, it's not a hard part to FC)
3. Double notes like http://osu.ppy.sh/ss/240659 (These notes aren't allowed, due to 2 notes existing in the same tick)



meow :3... (woof \:3/)
The map is really good. There are not remarkable issues, but that stacked sliders.
Drafura
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Drafura
Mod Post for Mix Speaker's,Inc. - Shiny tale (TV Size) [Urane's Catch Expert]

First try :
SPOILER

AR8 is ok but since it's 189 bpm i'll use AR9 it fits really better with the song.

00:13:327 (1,9) - Seeing Odaril and Shiirn post this is not going to be rankable one day. Use normal slider with a return.
00:13:962 (3,2) - ^
00:15:867 (1,10) - ^
00:16:502 (3,2) - ^
00:47:454 (1,2,3,4) - Could seem freaky but i love this and it's really not so hard (especially with AR9) so I approve this for both AR.
01:14:120 (1,2,3,4) - Seeing Odaril and Shiirn post this is not going to be rankable one day. Don't use double ticks.
01:21:104 (5,6,7,8) - ^
01:23:644 (4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11) - No, use a standard stream add one or 2 hypers on it or something but these kind of streams are ugly and nobody plays it as it has to be played : they just try to stay in the middle and pray to don't miss cause the number of movements/minutes is too high to try to do all the movements.

-----------------------------
To everyone : Please upload your beatmaps it's better to don't overlap mods

3 mods in a row + 1 recheck... i'm going to play a bit now...
CLSW
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CLSW
http://osu.ppy.sh/s/44701

:3
Mercurial
Mercurial
When I'm back at home, I'll do some mods, sorry for my lazyness.
Shiro
Global Moderator
4,984 posts
Joined May 2009
Shiro
I made a CtB map (not finished, this is pretty much a test).

Map is http://osu.ppy.sh/s/30545

diff
osu file format v9

[General]
AudioFilename: Hakuouki Shinsengumi Kitan Opening Song Full.mp3
AudioLeadIn: 1000
PreviewTime: 10886
Countdown: 0
SampleSet: Soft
StackLeniency: 0.7
Mode: 2
LetterboxInBreaks: 1

[Editor]
Bookmarks: 156447
DistanceSpacing: 1
BeatDivisor: 4
GridSize: 16

[Metadata]
Title:Izayoi Namida
Artist:Yoshioka Aika
Creator:Odaril
Version:CtB Insane
Source:Hakuouki
Tags:opening op Shinsengumi Kitan

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//Break Periods
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The diff is pretty easy, but my goal was to show that even easy things don't convert well from Standard.
ZHSteven
osu! Alumni
665 posts
Joined July 2009
ZHSteven
modding post for Yoshioka Aika - Izayoi Namida[CTB insane]

I know it is just a test, but I would like to just give some of the discussion for this map.XD

Yes actually this is a good example of showing that easy CTB diff cannot convert well from standard.
We can see there is a lot of unexpected spacing change which plays well in CTB but stupid in standard.

Some mods:
SPOILER
00:18:769 (1) - unexpected hyper.(actually I agreed to put a hyper here but this one seems too big)
00:20:164 (3) - move more towards left? seems the spacing between 3 and next 1 is a little bit small.
00:25:280 (3,4) - I think it is better to ctrl+H and reduce a litte bit for this jump. that will better fit the music.
00:35:280 (5,6,1) - just my personal opinion, I think spacing here is not very well even playing with CTB mode..
00:39:234 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15) - great pattern. I think if you make the spacing in every row increasing, will be much better XD

things need to consider and discuss:
1.
00:54:118 (1,1) - I think using 2 spinner together is not good for CTB. Because in today's OSU, spinner is no longer consider as a new combo. That will make the fruit in 1st spinner cannot drop like new combo when doing the 2nd spinner. At the end, if the spinner is long, we will see a looooooooot of fruit inside the plate, causing system lag..

2.
01:06:676 (7,8,9,10,11) - I dont know whether we can use 1/8 like this. Moving 1/8 in CTB is not a good idea. It needs very accurate spacing. So shall we just discuss about it?
Shiro
Global Moderator
4,984 posts
Joined May 2009
Shiro

ZHSteven wrote:

modding post for Yoshioka Aika - Izayoi Namida[CTB insane]

I know it is just a test, but I would like to just give some of the discussion for this map.XD That's why I posted it here =p

Yes actually this is a good example of showing that easy CTB diff cannot convert well from standard.
We can see there is a lot of unexpected spacing change which plays well in CTB but stupid in standard.

Some mods:
SPOILER
00:18:769 (1) - unexpected hyper.(actually I agreed to put a hyper here but this one seems too big) hm... not sure how I can change it... tried to reduce it a bit
00:20:164 (3) - move more towards left? seems the spacing between 3 and next 1 is a little bit small. okay
00:25:280 (3,4) - I think it is better to ctrl+H and reduce a litte bit for this jump. that will better fit the music. reduced a teeny tiny bit. I still want it to be an hyperdash
00:35:280 (5,6,1) - just my personal opinion, I think spacing here is not very well even playing with CTB mode.. changed
00:39:234 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15) - great pattern. I think if you make the spacing in every row increasing, will be much better XD let's try this

things need to consider and discuss:
1.
00:54:118 (1,1) - I think using 2 spinner together is not good for CTB. Because in today's OSU, spinner is no longer consider as a new combo. That will make the fruit in 1st spinner cannot drop like new combo when doing the 2nd spinner. At the end, if the spinner is long, we will see a looooooooot of fruit inside the plate, causing system lag.. fixed by placing a circle between them

2.
01:06:676 (7,8,9,10,11) - I dont know whether we can use 1/8 like this. Moving 1/8 in CTB is not a good idea. It needs very accurate spacing. So shall we just discuss about it? I don't think it's that bad. The fruits are REALLY close to one another and quite easy to catch. I'll wait for more imput though.
Thanks~

modified diff
osu file format v9

[General]
AudioFilename: Hakuouki Shinsengumi Kitan Opening Song Full.mp3
AudioLeadIn: 1000
PreviewTime: 10886
Countdown: 0
SampleSet: Soft
StackLeniency: 0.7
Mode: 2
LetterboxInBreaks: 1

[Editor]
Bookmarks: 156447
DistanceSpacing: 1
BeatDivisor: 4
GridSize: 16

[Metadata]
Title:Izayoi Namida
Artist:Yoshioka Aika
Creator:Odaril
Version:CtB Insane
Source:Hakuouki
Tags:opening op Shinsengumi Kitan

[Difficulty]
HPDrainRate:6
CircleSize:4
OverallDifficulty:8
ApproachRate:9
SliderMultiplier:2.4
SliderTickRate:2

[Events]
//Background and Video events
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//Break Periods
//Storyboard Layer 0 (Background)
//Storyboard Layer 1 (Fail)
//Storyboard Layer 2 (Pass)
//Storyboard Layer 3 (Foreground)
//Storyboard Sound Samples
//Background Colour Transformations
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ZHSteven
osu! Alumni
665 posts
Joined July 2009
ZHSteven

Odaril wrote:

things need to consider and discuss:
1.
00:54:118 (1,1) - I think using 2 spinner together is not good for CTB. Because in today's OSU, spinner is no longer consider as a new combo. That will make the fruit in 1st spinner cannot drop like new combo when doing the 2nd spinner. At the end, if the spinner is long, we will see a looooooooot of fruit inside the plate, causing system lag.. fixed by placing a circle between them

once you fixed this problem, another problem appears.. the note you add is too close to the 2nd spinner, results in the note is hidden inside the spinner. It is very hard to find out which is the "note" and which is the "spinner" while playing.
2.
01:06:676 (7,8,9,10,11) - I dont know whether we can use 1/8 like this. Moving 1/8 in CTB is not a good idea. It needs very accurate spacing. So shall we just discuss about it? I don't think it's that bad. The fruits are REALLY close to one another and quite easy to catch. I'll wait for more imput though.
I agreed that the 1/8 in this diff is OK, just afraid this will be abuse in the future. I think we need to find some rules for it.
e.g: from megurine Ruka & Kagamine Rin - ANTI THEHOLiC
Wow reply so fast~
Thanks

Edit: Best tries:
SPOILER

Deif
Elite Mapper / osu!catch Paragon
3,564 posts
Joined April 2010
Topic Starter
Deif
Uploaded Odaril's map with the new diff via puush, so it's now easier to DL for modders/players: http://puu.sh/hoP0

Sorry for being a bit afk, family matters =) Btw, I have a little project in mind (ez2catch related).
ZHSteven
osu! Alumni
665 posts
Joined July 2009
ZHSteven

Deif wrote:

Uploaded Odaril's map with the new diff via puush, so it's now easier to DL for modders/players: http://puu.sh/hoP0

Sorry for being a bit afk, family matters =) Btw, I have a little project in mind (ez2catch related).
great may I join in it?although I dont even know what ez2catch is jk~
Deif
Elite Mapper / osu!catch Paragon
3,564 posts
Joined April 2010
Topic Starter
Deif

ZHSteven wrote:

Deif wrote:

Uploaded Odaril's map with the new diff via puush, so it's now easier to DL for modders/players: http://puu.sh/hoP0

Sorry for being a bit afk, family matters =) Btw, I have a little project in mind (ez2catch related).
great may I join in it?although I dont even know what ez2catch is jk~
Oh, nevermind... I was trying to convert EZ2Catch original maps to CTB, but it's completely impossible. See this video:

Deif
Elite Mapper / osu!catch Paragon
3,564 posts
Joined April 2010
Topic Starter
Deif
Vale is gonna kill me: http://osu.ppy.sh/s/45135

/me hides
eldnl
Former osu!catch Champion: 2013
2,930 posts
Joined March 2010
eldnl
I can be modder and mapper deif :D

Edit: I'll mod vale's map.

[General]

- Overjumped in my opinion don't use to many hyperdashes.
- Circle size 3 is too big in my opinion and seems very bad, 4 works better.
- The HP Drain Rate feels too high, I suggest that for hard and jumpy maps use 5, because if you miss an hyperdash you will fail :/

[Diff]

00:13:939 (1,2,3,4,5,6) Jumps like this are pretty good, but in parts where it fits, using these jumps in random parts are annoying because is harder to follow the rhythm and is harder to catch. Reduce a little the spacing between these notes. (An example of good jumps are this map http://osu.ppy.sh/s/24960)
01:22:230 (1,2,3,4) This jumps is extremely hard in my opinion, the spacing is too big and unexpected. Please change it.
01:55:144 (2,3,4) Why you put jumps in triplets? this plays very bad in my opinion and most of the time are confusing, please avoid these jumps.
01:57:887 (2,3,4) ^ Same as above,
Deif
Elite Mapper / osu!catch Paragon
3,564 posts
Joined April 2010
Topic Starter
Deif
The map is already uploaded via BSS, eldnl. You may post in the map's thread to get your reward :p
Shiro
Global Moderator
4,984 posts
Joined May 2009
Shiro
Someone make a "CtB mapper and modder" userbar please.
Drafura
osu! Alumni
2,621 posts
Joined April 2010
Drafura
Daisuke Achiwa - BASARA [CLSWTB Extra] Done
Mercurial
Mercurial

Odaril wrote:

Someone make a "CtB mapper and modder" userbar please.
Working in one.
Drafura
osu! Alumni
2,621 posts
Joined April 2010
Drafura

iMercurial wrote:

Odaril wrote:

Someone make a "CtB mapper and modder" userbar please.
Working in one.
Thx
Mercurial
Mercurial
I haven't "Photoshop power" or whatever...

So, I make this...




In some minutes I'll make "mapper" userbar :P

Done

Kurai
osu! Alumni
7,734 posts
Joined March 2009
Kurai
I just modded Sound Horizon - Arbelge no Tatakai [Drafura's CtB Insane].
I will try to improve at ctb modding so you can add me in the modder list, I'll try my best :3

I hope CtB will be rankable soon~
Mercurial
Mercurial
Off-topic.
French players really enjoy modding CtB

On-topic:

This afternoon I'll map and mod some CtB maps if I can and my work let me do it :3
Deif
Elite Mapper / osu!catch Paragon
3,564 posts
Joined April 2010
Topic Starter
Deif
Modding post for Yoshioka Aika - Izayoi Namida [CTB insane]

ZHSteven wrote:

Yes actually this is a good example of showing that easy CTB diff cannot convert well from standard.
We can see there is a lot of unexpected spacing change which plays well in CTB but stupid in standard.
I totally agree with Steven.

ZHSteven wrote:

things need to consider and discuss:
1.
00:54:118 (1,1) - I think using 2 spinner together is not good for CTB. Because in today's OSU, spinner is no longer consider as a new combo. That will make the fruit in 1st spinner cannot drop like new combo when doing the 2nd spinner. At the end, if the spinner is long, we will see a looooooooot of fruit inside the plate, causing system lag.. (This has been already fixed)

2.
01:06:676 (7,8,9,10,11) - I dont know whether we can use 1/8 like this. Moving 1/8 in CTB is not a good idea. It needs very accurate spacing. So shall we just discuss about it? (I agree with using this pattern, but TBH it doesn't fit in that part of the song. Same as 01:08:536 (5,6,7,8,9,10,11). CTB's not a pure rhythm game, but overmapping some parts isn't really appropiate though)
Apart from that:

AR-1: 9 fits better with patterns that are hard to read in a short space of time, and tbh this song isn't a WTFISTHISJUMP one. Anyway, this song begs for AR8.

00:08:769 (1,1) - It's possible to put some notes between the spinner and the slider. I've already tried and it's not hard to hit imo.
01:01:094 (5) - A slider-stream doesn't fit well here.
01:18:304 (1) - I'd add a note here, and begin that spinner in 01:18:536.

The rest is fine, there's no need to modify that much a sweet map ^^
Shiro
Global Moderator
4,984 posts
Joined May 2009
Shiro

Deif wrote:

Modding post for Yoshioka Aika - Izayoi Namida [CTB insane]

AR-1: 9 fits better with patterns that are hard to read in a short space of time, and tbh this song isn't a WTFISTHISJUMP one. Anyway, this song begs for AR8. aaaa I'm stupid, I had put AR9 for testing purposes and forgot to put it back to 8 <_>

00:08:769 (1,1) - It's possible to put some notes between the spinner and the slider. I've already tried and it's not hard to hit imo. I'll just extend the spinner by 1/2. Even in standard I hate post-spinner notes.
01:01:094 (5) - A slider-stream doesn't fit well here. changed to triple
01:18:304 (1) - I'd add a note here, and begin that spinner in 01:18:536. okay

The rest is fine, there's no need to modify that much a sweet map ^^
Thanks.
My point when making this map was to prove that some things that play well in CtB are terrible in standards (these 1/4 jumps) and that it's possible to make enjoyable "easy" CtB diffs (I can pass it myself so yeah it's pretty easy but still kinda challenging).

modified diff
osu file format v9

[General]
AudioFilename: Hakuouki Shinsengumi Kitan Opening Song Full.mp3
AudioLeadIn: 1000
PreviewTime: 10886
Countdown: 0
SampleSet: Soft
StackLeniency: 0.7
Mode: 2
LetterboxInBreaks: 1

[Editor]
Bookmarks: 156447
DistanceSpacing: 1
BeatDivisor: 4
GridSize: 16

[Metadata]
Title:Izayoi Namida
Artist:Yoshioka Aika
Creator:Odaril
Version:CtB Insane
Source:Hakuouki
Tags:opening op Shinsengumi Kitan

[Difficulty]
HPDrainRate:6
CircleSize:4
OverallDifficulty:8
ApproachRate:8
SliderMultiplier:2.4
SliderTickRate:2

[Events]
//Background and Video events
0,0,"Insane.jpg"
//Break Periods
//Storyboard Layer 0 (Background)
//Storyboard Layer 1 (Fail)
//Storyboard Layer 2 (Pass)
//Storyboard Layer 3 (Foreground)
//Storyboard Sound Samples
//Background Colour Transformations
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Combo2 : 182,89,58
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128,160,59001,6,0,B|128:128,11,26.1000004355908
128,80,59699,6,0,B|256:80,1,120,4|0
304,80,60048,1,0
432,160,60164,2,0,B|304:160,2,120,8|0|0
208,224,60862,1,0
336,224,61094,1,8
336,224,61211,1,0
336,224,61327,1,0
336,160,61559,6,0,B|208:160,1,120,4|0
160,160,61908,1,0
32,240,62024,2,0,B|160:240,2,120,8|0|0
256,304,62722,1,0
176,304,62955,1,8
416,304,63187,1,0
336,304,63420,6,0,B|320:176,1,120
256,176,63769,1,0
192,176,63885,2,0,B|64:176,2,120,8|0|0
256,176,64466,1,0
320,176,64583,1,0
432,176,64815,1,8
320,96,65048,1,0
416,96,65280,5,0
96,96,65629,1,0
416,96,65978,1,0
96,96,66211,1,0
80,144,66327,1,8
64,192,66443,1,0
176,192,66676,2,0,B|192:160,1,30,8|0
208,192,66734,2,0,B|224:160,1,30
240,192,66792,2,0,B|256:160,1,30
272,192,66908,2,0,B|288:160,1,30
304,192,67024,2,0,B|320:160,1,30
368,256,67141,6,0,B|240:256,1,120,4|0
256,320,67490,1,0
136,256,67606,2,0,B|16:256,1,120,8|0
192,320,68071,2,0,B|64:320,1,120
192,176,68536,1,8
240,176,68652,1,0
288,176,68769,1,0
368,256,69001,6,0,B|240:256,1,120,4|0
288,304,69350,1,0
176,352,69466,2,0,B|48:352,2,120,8|0|0
224,352,70048,1,0
320,304,70164,1,0
288,304,70280,1,0
256,304,70397,1,8
160,304,70629,1,0
48,224,70862,6,0,B|176:224,1,120
80,160,71211,2,0,B|208:160,1,120
128,96,71559,1,0
32,96,71792,1,0
128,96,72024,1,0
176,96,72141,1,0
224,96,72257,1,8
320,96,72490,1,0
416,96,72722,5,0
96,96,73071,1,0
416,96,73420,1,0
96,96,73652,1,0
80,144,73769,1,8
64,192,73885,1,0
176,192,74118,1,8
288,192,74350,1,0
336,192,74583,6,0,B|272:80,2,120,0|8|0
240,192,75745,1,0
160,192,75978,2,0,B|176:288|176:288|272:288,1,179.999994635582,8|0
336,288,76676,1,0
416,288,76908,1,8
464,208,77141,2,0,B|384:48,1,179.999994635582
464,48,77838,1,8
383,47,78071,1,0
304,48,78304,1,0
256,192,78536,12,0,82024
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