1. Extra Stage (5 stars, 490 notes)
2. Insane (4,96 stars, 255 notes)
3. manten's Easy (2,13 stars, 79 notes)
4. Nyquill's Hard (4,88 stars, 262 notes)
5. Ono's Taiko Oni (4,94 stars, 671 notes)
6. Pheon's Taiko Oni (4,83 stars, 671 notes)
7. suraimu's Normal (3,48 stars, 125 notes)

15:31 <Jenny> : 00:05:155 (1) - 1 grid down \:D/
15:32 <Jenny> : 00:10:802 (1,2,3,4) - da lieber 2 slider nehmen?
15:32 <Kite> : nö
15:33 <Jenny> : erschiene mir aber schöner
15:34 <Jenny> : 00:34:802 (1) - nen 1/2-slider wär da besser find ich, ggf. mit nem reverse aber nich nen langer mit hitsounded tick, da kriegt man voll
15:34 <Jenny> : den impuls mittendrin loszulassen
15:34 <Jenny> : xD
15:35 <Jenny> : 00:54:567 (1) - die kurve find ich bisschen unbalanced o3o *nazi*
15:36 <Jenny> : würde für das S:C1-sampleset vlt. ne leise version vom normal-hitnormal vorschlagen, momentan hör ich da echt garnix von den nicht
15:36 <Jenny> : gehitsoundeten
15:38 <Kite> : ka für mich hört es sich ok an
15:38 <Jenny> : mh...
15:38 <Jenny> : vlt. noch andere leute fragen und ggf. halt dann die lautstärke höher dafür die hitsounds leiser oder so
15:39 <Jenny> : oder setz nen custom rein von deinem, vlt. lutscht es einfach nur bei mir
15:40 <Kite> : kannst du bitte in der topic was posten
15:40 <Jenny> : mh?
15:42 <Kite> : wenn du zeit hast noch die anderen diffs
15:42 <Jenny> : meeh... ich bin so highdiff-geil :<
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15:43 <Jenny> : AR +1? (obwohl 8 auf hard eig. schon etwas viel is aber... es wirkt irgendwie besser)
15:44 <Jenny> : 00:06:567 (1) - 1. sliderpunkt (anfang nich gezählt) 2 grids rechts, balanced die kurve mehr imo
15:44 <Jenny> : 00:07:272 (2) - da dasselbe nur andersrum
15:44 <Kite> : bitte keine grid sachen
15:44 <Jenny> : es wirkt besser auf mich so
15:44 <Kite> : sowas is mir relativ egal
15:44 <Jenny> : und sowas fällt mir halt auch beim spielen auf + is nich viel aufwand zu fixen
15:45 <Jenny> : 00:29:861 (2) - etwas mehr abstand würd hier besser wirken denk ich, 1.2x spacing vlt.
15:45 <Jenny> : 00:30:567 (3,4,5) - ^
15:46 <Jenny> : 00:33:037 (7,8,9,10,1) - die 1/4s vorm slider wirken gebogen aber der slider is grade, magsu das eine oder das andere ändern, kommt
15:46 <Jenny> : wieder wie gridnazi-gedöns aber mir fällt sowas halt auf beim gucken/spielen und ich mags nich <.<
15:47 <Jenny> : 00:35:331 - fühlt sich zu leer an, note hin mit nem clap?
15:47 <Jenny> : 00:39:037 (1,2,1) - die sind mir wieder zu nah annander, 1.2x würd ich vorschlagen
15:48 <Jenny> : 00:40:978 - hier wieder note mit clap fürs hitsound-pattern + passt eine hin imo
15:48 <Jenny> : 00:46:625 - ^
15:48 <Jenny> : 00:52:272 - ^ *personal taste? mag sein, aber darauf beruht das ganze ja*
15:49 <Jenny> : 00:57:390 - mir gefällt das soft-hitsounding hier nur mit dem finish nich, lieber 'ne normal-section mit weniger volume und dann nur den
15:49 <Jenny> : finish immer etwas lauter sollte besser passen
15:50 <Jenny> : 01:14:331 (1,2,3,4,5,6) - sowas kommt bei hard-diffs nich immer ganz so geil, slider-stop-note-slider-stop-note... mh... würd eher die
15:50 <Jenny> : noten nen schritt zurück machen so dass man schon ne bewegung zum nächsten slider hat... mom ich probier' ma was
15:51 <Jenny> : http://osu.ppy.sh/ss/292274 beispiel für die idee
15:52 <Jenny> : 01:30:567 (7) - der slidertrack geht mir zu nah an 6 ran und gibt einen... naja sagen wir nicht-ganz-so-schönen overlap mit dem hitburst
15:53 <Kite> : okay danke

Snepif wrote:

[Hard]

00:17:875 (1) - I understeand the whole purpose of samples on sliderticks but this one sounds too weird. Replace with 3 notes instead? 1/2 apart from each other Mind giving me an explanation as to why you feel its weird? I don't like changing things without a solid reason.
00:18:757 (4,6) - Bad overlap at the end, looks bad. Oh and also I still believe ticks sound weird xD moved the overlap
00:23:522 (1) - Finish at the start k
00:26:698 (2) - Stack the ending properly with the other slider (you must disable grid snapping in order to do this) k
00:33:404 (9) - New combo ya k
00:35:169 (2) - Man this ticks play awful :/k cool mind explaining

Well nothing more to say about this one but... The samples on ticks just sound messy as fuck and very confusing :/ some of them could be notes and some of them just.. deww... Apart from that the diff is fine

Snepif wrote:

Oh sorry, I just said it knowing that you wouldn't change it XD
As a player I find the sample on ticks quite confusing because samples make you follow the music better... and I always mess up when I play maps with custom sliderticks sound because I tend to think there is a beat there.. And I find it quite... not-so-natural in terms of "flow". Also I think they are quiet avoidable if you just put another note or something. IMO it's like forcing something that shouldn't go there or could go there using other resources.

Again sorry, it's just my opinion and I dunno why I didn't explain it properly before, I hate when ppl don't explain stuff... I must have been tired or something.

1. 00:26:345 (1) - I'd add quiet soft finish

1. 00:06:581 (1) - add finish
2. 00:34:816 (1) - ^
3. 00:37:639 (1) - ^ as well? In my opinion, it sounds very nice on every 2nd big white tick and fits the music (check out "Extra Stage", for example)
4. 00:46:110 (10) - man, you should have NC here, not on 00:46:816 (1)
5. 01:05:875 (1) - add finish?
6. 01:08:698 (1) - ^!
7. 01:11:522 (1) - ^ and so on (you have lots of them missed!)

1. 00:22:022 - I would add a note here and make a tiny compressed stream leading to 00:22:110 (6)
2. 00:54:581 - add a note with finish hitsound here, otherwise player skips this beat

1. 00:10:286 (4) - mind unstacking? You had 1/4 stack before (00:08:698 (6,7)), so this one might deceive a player
2. 01:22:551 (3) - add whistle, pleaseeeeee
3. 01:25:375 (8) - ^

lolcubes wrote:

[Ono's Taiko Oni]
*To be honest, this looks like an Inner Oni to me. Could be because I am not really that good at taiko though xD. Also, there is very few moments to rest. I might recommend a few spots to check out and remove a note or 2 as I go. Actually there are many moments for rest, just not at the end, which is more music based. Also it was first Ono's Taiko Oni + Ono's Muzukashii, but now we have two Oni's because Pheon didn't liked mine. But still Oni = Inner.
*00:10:639 (1,2,3,1) - This sounds weird. I tried listening to the music and I think it sort of fits (removing the first note would make it more fitting but thats just derp lol), but it looks and sounds messy. A bit too hard for me to check it personally, however it just creates chaos. Have you considered using just a regular dd on 1/4 instead of ddd on 1/6? Well, I mapped to the music. Normaly it should be mostly on 1/6, not 1/4.
*00:14:875 (2,3) - Consider removing these because of the length of your patterns in this area. A good spot to make the player rest a little. Creates some punctuation as well which brings a more epic feel, atleast for me. 00:14:355 (1,2,1) - This breaks are allready enough to rest for people and the following kkdddd... is more song based.
*00:20:345 (1,1,1,1,1) - ^ same here, would just leave the first note here and remove the rest to be honest. This could probably mean mapping 00:20:786 so it doesn't feel empty compared to the previous sections. To be honest, I like it how it was placed, so I would rather like to keep how it is.
*00:50:963 (1) - I suggest to remove this note because it doesn't sound nice to be honest. I feel that a small "pause" between the previous and the next pattern makes it sound better because the melody changes from 3/4 to 1/2. (you did this later on actually and it was a good move if you ask me) Yes, I agree. Changed~
*01:02:345 (1,2) - Removing these 2 notes creates a nice spot to rest a little and brings out the notes 01:02:522 (1,2,3) much much better. The 2 dons just make it a little busy, while this way you create a much better impact, which is more important in my opinion because those 3 are key notes. Wow, good sound! Used it how you said.

Loctav wrote:

[Nyquill's Hard]

00:52:296 (2,3,4) - due to hitburst, this is really really hard to read. Also it's a bit lacking of flow. Try something like this: http://puu.sh/1992b (this pattern is just the suggestion, feel free to find another way to work around this issue) Hi. This is actually as a matter of fact good flow (oval counter clockwise). But yeah I changed it anyways because of the hitburst.
01:00:591 (2,3,4) - inconsistent spacing. Please resnap with distance snap there is barely a 0.05x difference, I tried my best to re-arrange this.
01:05:885 (1,2,3,4) - ^ same here. I met with more success re-doing this one though.
01:24:944 (5,6) - (nazi) (6) has not the the same angle than (5) and (4). Readjust it That was the point. (5) is one block more to the left from being completely parallel to (4). Likewise, 6 is one block more to the left from (5). You're slowly leaning inwards until you get a completely vertical slider. Yes, as a matter of fact, I paid attention to this detail when mapping.

Loctav wrote:

[Ono's Taiko Oni]

I had this worse in my mind. Liked it. There we go.

00:17:532 (1,2,3,4,5,6,1) - do you think, this is justified? I can't estimate any increased or intensed instrumentalism here. I'd consider only putting 1/4 kats instead it's for sure not justified. I don't know how I thought this is 1/6. Changed to 1/4.
00:52:385 (3) - this sounded weird to me, mainly because it begins on the bluetick. I'd simply remove it. You did not place something here before on similiar spots, too. :C
01:04:473 (1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1) - this sounds stiff to me. I guess you did this for variation purposes, but to me the vibrato in the music isnt that frequent like dkdkdkd introduces. Try dkkkdkkkd instead. Sounds better to me. I didn't used this pattern else where. It's weird to have it suddenly appear, so I refuse this.
01:23:532 (1,2,1,1,1) - ddkdk could work here better maybe? dddkk sounds so off :[ did it more simple
01:24:591 (1,1,2,3,4) - because 01:24:943 (4) - goes downwards, try kkkkd? Do 01:24:414 (1) - as don to give it a better introduction and to stay constant to the sound the don is placed on 01:24:943 (1) - . tl;dr: http://puu.sh/198HF beginning on 01:23:002 (2) - did it more simple
01:26:355 (1,2,3,4,1) - kkkkd? to stay constant with the previously twice done ddddk ddddk. did it more simple
01:26:885 (1,2,1,1,1) - kkdkd? (reversed pattern of the previous one) did it more simple

Xakyrie wrote:

Pheon's Taiko Oni

• Song Setup
  (Suggestions for appropriate difficulty based on the song to offer more fluent and comfortable playing.)
  

1. Perfection

Unrankable/Issues
(Problems that must be fixed because of its unrankability, or its extremely borderline case.)

1. Perfection

Taikomap Design
(The basis of the map, such as flow, consistency, and structure are found here.)

1. 00:56:708 (3) - Only suggestion is this: why the drumroll xD It doesn't fit this part of the music, and there's no real backup music wise as to why you did it, either.

Inherited Timing Points/Volume
(Overall volume of the beatmap to induce a certain style and effect on the player.)

1. Perfection

Organization
(Based on the mapper's setup of notes and patterns.)

1. Perfection

Xakyrie wrote:

Nyquill's Hard

• Song Setup
  (Suggestions for appropriate difficulty based on the song to offer more fluent and comfortable playing.)
  

1. No suggestions.

Unrankable/Issues
(Problems that must be fixed because of its unrankability, or its extremely borderline case.)

1. No suggestions.

Beatmap Design/Arrangement
(The basis of the map, such as flow, consistency, and aesthetic design are found here.)

1. 00:34:649 - The emptiness here feels semi-awkward to play, and it sort of kills the build up in difficulty here, making the end of this section anti-climatic (sort of, if you get where I'm going with this). I suggest you place a note here, stacking it on (4) or placing it between (4) and (1). If you have any other sort of placement that allows for better flow, feel free to try that out too. Just don't leave this empty :U Hello. I feel that adding a note here would be terribly overmapping. Sure you can hear that synth there but its neither the bassline nor explicitly recognizable upon putting a normal hit there. Also, th
2. 01:10:826 (9) - Either a 1/2 slider or two notes in 1/2 time. The repeat really doesn't follow any sound and particular and it's not like this repeat is contributing to musicality (even if it is consistent with its other counterparts) or some other aspect. I guess if you want to keep it to be consistent, then...I actually meant the repeat to be swapped with the slider afterwards that was bad on my part.
3. 01:30:943 (9,10,11) - This would play much more smoothly and be easier to read as a 4 part repeat or just a shortly-snapped stream. lol the shortly snapped stream was deemed evil by cubes, and a 4 part repeat would be just cruel after a load of single repeat sliders. Hey guise lets play lets guess how many repeats the slider has! Leaving this for now.
4. 01:28:826 (3) - These repeats (including 5 and 7) don't feel or sound right, unless you're doing it to build up intensity towards the end. Otherwise, I see no use for them and gives me the feeling that they're there for difficulty (I hope that's not the right implication). actually thats EXACTLY what I was doing. I was building up towards the end using a similar pattern that has been used before, which is why it works and players will know to play the repeat sliders as if they were 1/2 hold notes.

Hitsounds
(Listed sounds can be used as an overture, feel free to ignore. Based on mapper's style.)

1. 00:09:414 (1) - No finish at the beginning? >: Actually going through this next section, I get the feel that you purposely only set up finishes on the start of new sections, so eh. However I went through the whole map and noticed that this is the only section (up until 00:23:532) that you're inconsistent with. Please look this over. added them in
2. 00:40:473 (1) - Remove finish at beginning? Kind of inconsistent with the rest of your mapping. Refer to previous. finishes are on downbeat of every 2nd measure (for good reason too, listen to music)
3. 00:43:296 (1) - ^ This happens until the kiai in 2-set measures or so. If you want to keep these finishes, I suggest keeping consistency by placing finishes on the downbeat of every 2 measures. I swear to god they are. Check again.
4. 00:56:002 (5) - Remove finish? derp removed
5. 01:06:943 (1) - Random finish? same

Inherited Timing Points/Volume
(Overall volume of the beatmap to induce a certain style and effect on the player.)

1. Dude the slidertick hitsounds... to be honest, they're really annoying to listen to while playing. Like I'm going to suggest to Kite on his diffs, either lower the volume on them so players don't believe every slidertick hitsound is a note (in which you click or lift), or remove them entirely. I really hope you don't choose to carry out the latter, though. It's nice to have slidertick hitsounds...when they're not sounding exactly like regular beats.

waiting for kite to confirm something about this.
New Combos
(Used to introduce a new phrase and/or pattern, the following suggest consistency within your map.)

1. 01:01:296 (1,2) - Remove new combo, new combo? Not sure what you want to do here but it definitely doesn't fit with the way you're currently patterning your combos...I think. derp removed
2. 01:06:943 (1,2) - ^ same

Xakyrie wrote:

• 
  Taikomap Design
  (The basis of the map, such as flow, consistency, and structure are found here.)
  

1. 00:00:943 (1) - 00:06:591 (1) - Honestly if you were to follow the drums correctly, you'd remove this whole section here. In the sense that you'll listen to this, I won't mod it. Who says that I mapped to the drum, is the question. So I have nothing to change.
2. Since I know you'd choose not to listen to me, I'll just point out some obvious things.
3. 00:09:238 (1,2,1) - Since you seem to be following the guitar more than the drums, why not use ooo? Sounds a lot better. Because of 00:06:591 (1,2) - I kept it like d d to match it more. Also ddk is the drum, the guitar is kdk. But because of said reason I used kkd.
4. 00:10:649 (1,2,3,1) - The 1/6 is really unnecessary and feels more like overmapping. If you listen to the drums in the background (I believe this stream you are more or less following the drums now), it should only be snapped in 1/4 time. A simple oo lead-in into the o on the downbeat plays much better and follows the drums perfectly. Now I wonder what overmapping for you means. It's 1/6, not 1/4. And for sure not a hard entry into the stream part. Also deleting this would mean to leave the part at 00:28:649 - alone which causes a weird feeling. d ddk... would be possible and dosen't sound bad, indeed, but there are other reasons "preventing" me to do it.
5. 00:11:532 (1,2) - Not sure how the finishes fit here.I agree.
6. 00:14:091 (1,1) - Switch these so it's oo? Feels more playable and fits the music. What pattern did I used before...?
7. 00:14:708 (1) - Random finish in the middle of two sets of streams? It seems sort of random. I agree.
8. 00:17:885 (1) - If you're following the guitar, this should be a o. Fix the patterns before this to make it more playable. Actually the whole stream fits perfectly... and even if I would change it, playing [stram]k kkd is disgusting.
9. 00:18:149 (2) - Could you possibly removed this so it's not overmapped as much? If you're following the guitar What is overmapping for you again? If I would follow the drum, it would be one whole d stream mapped mostly as one big stream from 00:12:238 to 00:23:532. So this isn't overmapping. oO moreover it should be kdd, but didn't used it because it sounds not good.(proof: 00:22:826 (1) - trying to sound out the hold in the guitar when the slider should only be used in cases of an actual drumroll. I suggest you remove this and map it in since there is no drumroll; the slider is used horribly), then there is no reason for this to be here. Who told you that a slider is used for actual drumroll? Did you ever played 太鼓の達人(Taiko no Tatsujin) or played sliders for once as kat? I will not discuss about this for sure.
10. 00:20:532 (1) - To accentuate the guitar (might as well since you rarely follow the drums to begin with), make this a o which also adds to the musicality.The guitar IS kdkdk heavy... also kdddk is an unusual pattern in my beatmap.
    
11. 00:22:826 (1) - Already explained above; finish on the downbeat (end of slider here) to accentuate the strong drum sound (either O or O is fine I guess).
    
12. 00:26:355 (9) - ^
13. 00:28:473 (15,16,17,18) - You know regardless of the triplet fitting with the drums, the playability factor is heavily influenced. Clearly, this is inconsistent and hard to follow, even if you know the nature of this song. Only way to fix this problem would be to fill it like this (basically, a 4-plet so that it's easier to read and play). I agree.
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14. 00:30:679 (2) - p To make it so that the kats are used to sound out the guitar only.
15. 00:30:943 (1) - ^
16. 00:31:120 (1) - ^ (o on downbeat only here)
17. 00:33:502 (2) - Shouldn't this be o?
18. 00:33:767 (3) - And this a o? This section here (00:33:414 (1) - to 00:34:473 (1)) should be a sort of oooo and repeat pattern.
    } I agree. I have changed it first to what you said, but this plays hard and is unusual in my pattern structure, so I used a bit different one. If you think the new one is harder, then you don't play in alternating style or in general harder maps.
19. 00:36:591 (2,3,1,2,3) - and 00:38:708 (3,4,1,2,3) - Can you make up your mind on how you want to accentuate this part? You're very inconsistent with it, randomly having ooooo sometimes as opposed to ooooo. Choose either or, and be consistent with it. You could even do the first pattern for the first section of the music linked and pair it with the second pattern with the second section of music linked, just...be consistent about it orz This time my reason is really banal: I like. Sorry lol
20. 00:34:826 (2,1) - Of the finish patterns you have in this section of the music (whether the finish pattern be O O or O O), the second finish always seems to not fit with the drums. Just a suggestion on removing it, unless you tried to keep consistent by having finishes for the 1/1 timed parts here... I see no problem here...
21. 00:56:885 (x) - Maybe a o here to follow the drums more? Would be possible, but I rathe rlike to keep the gap because of the others which appeard before and to show that a new section begins.
22. 00:57:061 (1) - Following the drums would lead you to making this a o for sure. Now the question is what plays easier?
23. 00:58:826 (1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1) - This pattern just sounds really off... it doesn't fit or flow with the rest of the streams. Fix this pattern in the upcoming sections from here. Does it...? Sorry, I have no desire anymore to say why. It's too obviously.
24. 00:59:885 (1,1) - Finishes do not fit. Just remove them. Personal preference here. I wnat to keep them this time.
25. 01:01:649 (1,2,3) - Why are you only now following the drums? Since you were following the guitar, it makes this part really hard to predict. I suggest you continue to follow the guitar to support playability instead. Because at this time the bass has an way higher effect as the guitar?
26. 01:02:708 (5) - o fits better and is consistent with your patterns. No it dosen't because the pattern constalation is setter in another way at this time.
    
27. 01:04:032 (2) - Remove for consistency reasons.
    
28. 01:05:532 (1,1) - Again with the finishes (my previous statement on the finishes apply to all finishes like this).
29. 01:07:296 (1) - Pattern to follow guitar more (inconsistency issues between guitar and drum) would be more like this: ooooooooooooooooo You should know why I didn't follow the guitar at this part. Also the real sound for guitar would be: ddddkkddkkddkkddd when you follow it without the distortion in it.
30. 01:11:532 (1) - Really inconsistent with the rest of the map; should be O. Is that so? I think you never played in TnT あけこべ(Akekobe). Else you would know why I did that.
31. 01:16:473 (2) - This o breaks flow. A o would not only fix that problem, but sound much better.I agree.
32. 01:29:885 (3,1,2) - This pattern should start with a o to fit the guitar. Changed much more.
33. 01:31:296 (1) - o Should be here instead; moving spinner forward one tick to the blue tick or two to the next. Fix the spinner to end on 01:33:943 (x) or the blue tick proceeding it, and MAKE SURE there's a O or O (personally I think the O fits much better) on 01:34:120 (x). I cannot stress this enough. If anything, please change this ;w; It's okay how it is.

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Xakyrie wrote:

Since I know you'd choose not to listen to me, I'll just point out some obvious things.

OnosakiHito wrote:

Xakyrie wrote:

Since I know you'd choose not to listen to me, I'll just point out some obvious things.

For new mappers maybe somehow fine. For old mappers you don't even need to borther yourself to make such big mod. All old mappers have a system of placing notes. Drum is not everything, even if some people think so. Even if you could hate me now after this post, I suggest you to play more TnT maps. This slider suggestion was a big joke you gaved me there and should never be mentioned again in any case.