This beatmap was submitted using in-game submission on 2013年2月7日 at 21:49:11

Artist: DECO*27 feat. marina
Title: Aimai Elegy
Tags: AmatouTrio Love-Lost Love phonic Apricot Garven DaxMasterix i_c_h_i_g_o
BPM: 210
Filesize: 10136kb
Play Time: 02:48
Difficulties Available:

1. 0108 (5 stars, 626 notes)
2. Easy (2.3 stars, 155 notes)
3. Hard (4.86 stars, 439 notes)
4. Insane (5 stars, 546 notes)
5. Love's Taiko Oni (4.83 stars, 1143 notes)
6. Normal (3.61 stars, 236 notes)
7. Red Light ~CtB~ (5 stars, 623 notes)

Download: DECO*27 feat. marina - Aimai Elegy
Download: DECO*27 feat. marina - Aimai Elegy (no video)
Information: Scores/Beatmap Listing
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aimai~
Love's taiko by Love
Red Light ~CtB~ by DaxMasterix
Insane by Apricot
Hard by phonic
Normal by Garven
Easy by i c h i g o
Thank you!!

Love this song

そういえばSkypeでげすとなんちゃらって話出てたけど、何か作ろうか！？？！？！？？！？！？！

ハード作るか！
EDIT:嘘！insane作って！

If I finish, would you accept my taiko? :3

let's go taiko

omnom ;3

getting a friend to make a background for me

Download: DECO27 feat. marina - Aimai Elegy (val0108) [Love's Taiko].osu

終わった～!!!!!

Download: DECO27 feat. marina - Aimai Elegy (val0108) [phonic].osu

Download: DECO27 feat. marina - Aimai Elegy (val0108) [Insane].osu

少し簡単になりまみた(`・_・´)

:3 !!!

Shoot Star~
Oh yeah~Easy and normal diff lol

Can I add "CTB difficulty"?

CMP wrote:

Can I add "CTB difficulty"?

sure

Quick mod

[Easy]
I guess it still needs hitsounds.
00:23:330 (3) - Don't stack under slider ends in an easy, please
01:29:068 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,1,2,3,4,5,1,2,3) - This section needs work. Try a different rhythm instead of on the beat. Going with the metronome doesn't fit the music at all. I also recommend you increase the slider velocity. It feels really really slow compared to the other parts of the song.
01:47:328 (4) - Don't stack under slider ends in an easy, please
01:59:328 (3) - ^
02:02:185 (4) - ^
02:48:328 - Add note

[Normal]
Perfect!

[Hard]
02:28:471 - It would be better if you were actually clicking on an object at this point so that the finish carries some weight to the player.
02:48:328 - Add note

[Insane]
02:48:328 - Add note

[0108]
01:42:101 - Move this timing section to 01:41:540 -

val0108 wrote:

CMP wrote:

Can I add "CTB difficulty"?

sure

thank you

Garven wrote:

Quick mod

[Easy]
I guess it still needs hitsounds.
00:23:330 (3) - Don't stack under slider ends in an easy, please
01:29:068 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,1,2,3,4,5,1,2,3) - This section needs work. Try a different rhythm instead of on the beat. Going with the metronome doesn't fit the music at all. I also recommend you increase the slider velocity. It feels really really slow compared to the other parts of the song.
01:47:328 (4) - Don't stack under slider ends in an easy, please
01:59:328 (3) - ^
02:02:185 (4) - ^
02:48:328 - Add note

[Normal]
Perfect! Ofcouse!!

[Hard]
02:28:471 - It would be better if you were actually clicking on an object at this point so that the finish carries some weight to the player.
02:48:328 - Add note

[Insane]
02:48:328 - Add note

[0108]
01:42:101 - Move this timing section to 01:41:540 -

0108 and easy done.

thanks

fixed

Download: DECO27 feat. marina - Aimai Elegy (val0108) [Hard].osu

I wanna make a CtB Diff :c
Can?
PD: Darksonic ql

DaxMasterix wrote:

I wanna make a CtB Diff :c
Can?
PD: Darksonic ql

yes you can

Finished. \o/
Deleted file
btw.. ''Red Light'' is my name in CtB Maps.. [Unsubs]

DaxMasterix wrote:

Finished. \o/
[attachment=0:7d9db]DECO27 feat. marina - Aimai Elegy (val0108) [Red Light ~CtB~].osu[/attachment:7d9db]
btw.. ''Red Light'' is my name in CtB Maps.. [Unsubs]

you can make more easy.
FC is so hard

val0108 wrote:

you can make more easy.
FC is so hard

asdsadsad Obviously.. removed some jumps, decrease some jumps.. and change the end to stack sliders.
Download: DECO27 feat. marina - Aimai Elegy (val0108) [Red Light ~CtB~].osu

inb4 CtB Modders: ''Make this more easy''. HUH

...yeah. The majority of the jumps placed felt horrible. This difficulty felt like it was made hard because you wanted it hard instead of making it fit the music. The biggest disappointments were the really boring and bland choruses. The giant stream at the end was pretty lame too. Where is that in the music?

Garven wrote:

Nope.

Oh men.. sorry.. i forgot is CtB.. For me (IMO) CtB now is bored.. and i think i make this map bored.. will progress.. i think.. btw.. Don't add this diff atm.
1Edit:
I think you're talking about the overJumps ... yeah. the diff is 'Red' light for the red fruits.. i can delete that. but i can't make the diff more ''funny''.. for various 'x' persons now ctb is bored.. Jumps? what more.. hyper dashes?. i will take the Opinions/Mods of various CtB Players. Not mappers. Because.. if the problem are ''The diff are bored and don't follow the rhythm''.. i only can try change some stuff for make the diff more funny for the Players. But the rhythm.. men pls.
Thanks for the concern Garven. but if you take a D in the map.. I feel afraid and doubt.
Srry for the bad english.
2Edit:

eldnl wrote:

you're not a ctb player to judge it anyways.

but he is a bat

Garven wrote:

...yeah. The majority of the jumps placed felt horrible. This difficulty felt like it was made hard because you wanted it hard instead of making it fit the music. The biggest disappointments were the really boring and bland choruses. The giant stream at the end was pretty lame too. Where is that in the music?

First play, the song is not that hard, I'll mod it to change some stupid and senseless jumps, and also yes, the chorus must be better, but the song is not like you mention, you're not a ctb player to judge it anyways.

edit: third play 1miss

Accidentally denied kudosu while surfing on my phone, sorry.

Anyway:

So wait, you agree with me, and yet still try and set aside what I say because I'm not "skilled enough"? Just because you are a high level player doesn't mean that others can make accurate judgements on a map. I'm assuming when you said "song" you meant "map". And remember: just because you can play it doesn't mean that the map is good. Try to cater your map to the larger public, not just high-end players. If you alienate your audience to only the high end spectrum, you'll end up with the same problem Taiko has right now in terms of player skill.

The way you're taking this so far makes me wary of dealing with any of your judgements for CtB.

Garven wrote:

Accidentally denied kudosu while surfing on my phone, sorry.

Anyway:

So wait, you agree with me, and yet still try and set aside what I say because I'm not "skilled enough"? Just because you are a high level player doesn't mean that others can make accurate judgements on a map. I'm assuming when you said "song" you meant "map". And remember: just because you can play it doesn't mean that the map is good. Try to cater your map to the larger public, not just high-" players. If you alienate your audience to only the high end spectrum, you'll end up with the same problem Taiko has right now in terms of player skill.

The way you're taking this so far makes me wary of dealing with any of your judgements for CtB.

Yes, I agree with you, but still you're not the correct guy to jugde a ctb map, any other ctb player will say that the map is Good and just need some changes. The map is not shit as you said.

Thanks for putting words in my mouth. It's really appreciated and really speaks volumes on how little thought you've put into your words.

Tell me -why- the map is good. So far from what I've seen, there are inappropriate jumps riddled throughout the map and plain badly mapped chorus sections. Both of which you've agreed on. How is this a good map then? Go work your supposed expertise in this field of CtB on the mapper and see how you can help him improve it. Show that you're capable of actually helping instead of just provoking.

Not depend if the diff is good or horrible... what is a CtB Map.. is only a Straight Standar diff.. imo.. always imo.. Men. Garven i know you're talking about the Jumps. But that is your argument? and eldnl, thanks friend. The CtB Maps atm are only Jumps, jumps, jumps.. because the CatchTheBeat don't have Streams.. well.. what do you waiting in this map? Don't look the Cartography. And yeah.. not only the ''Good'' CtB Players can give opininons here.. Because the CtB Maps are a mistery when the map is good or bad. and this is reflected in the Difficulty of the map. For some people:
More Hard: More funny Or Idiot.
More Easy: More funny Or Idiot.
Garven. If you want. you can put a mod. Pictures, etc. But don't put a opinion without the Argument. This is to help improve the map... and not only give bad or goods Words about the Diff.
Btw.. i mapped the Diff symmetrically. I discovered the ''limits'' of Jumps. for make this more hard. And i think I exceeded a little.. xd

Garven wrote:

Thanks for putting words in my mouth. It's really appreciated and really speaks volumes on how little thought you've put into your words.

Tell me -why- the map is good. So far from what I've seen, there are inappropriate jumps riddled throughout the map and plain badly mapped chorus sections. Both of which you've agreed on. How is this a good map then? Go work your supposed expertise in this field of CtB on the mapper and see how you can help him improve it. Show that you're capable of actually helping instead of just provoking.

The map is funny, isn't that the point? And also, who is provoking, the guy who said "everything is shit here"or the guy who said "this is good, just need some fixes"......
Anyways, I'll do the mod now, because I was in my phone and I didn't it yesterday because I had no enough time.

Dax: Think about the pacing in which you use these jumps. You don't have to have a jump every single beat. Use jumps where there is an emphasis in the music. And don't go trying to look for every single possible spot for an emphasis either - that will generally ruin the pacing of the map and feel disingenuous to the music that you are trying to represent. For me, when I looked at your map, it felt like you were simply trying too hard to make every possible spot in the song a jump instead of making smoother moving parts to a less-intense phrase. I speak this in a more general sense because pointing out individual patterns tends to make people only fix that one pattern and not look at the entire picture.

eldnl: The problem is that I didn't find this map very fun at all, and not because I couldn't play it - it simply didn't make sense. It didn't follow the music very well as explained above, which is essentially what I've been saying since my first post. Once again, I didn't say "everything is shit here." Your poor paraphrasing isn't contributing anything to this and I don't appreciate you changing my words thusly.

Garven wrote:

Dax: Think about the pacing in which you use these jumps. You don't have to have a jump every single beat. Use jumps where there is an emphasis in the music. And don't go trying to look for every single possible spot for an emphasis either - that will generally ruin the pacing of the map and feel disingenuous to the music that you are trying to represent. For me, when I looked at your map, it felt like you were simply trying too hard to make every possible spot in the song a jump instead of making smoother moving parts to a less-intense phrase. I speak this in a more general sense because pointing out individual patterns tends to make people only fix that one pattern and not look at the entire picture.

eldnl: The problem is that I didn't find this map very fun at all, and not because I couldn't play it - it simply didn't make sense. It didn't follow the music very well as explained above, which is essentially what I've been saying since my first post. Once again, I didn't say "everything is shit here." Your poor paraphrasing isn't contributing anything to this and I don't appreciate you changing my words thusly.

Sorry for the misunderstanding then, I was modding the difficulty an hour ago, probably now it's a lot better, let's wait for dax.

tl;dr I want to give the most unbiased opinion, based on my experience of mapping/modding CTB stuff.

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The map itself feels upside down... where the easiest parts are placed on kiai times, and the most extream ones in the non-kiai ones. That was my first impression.

Also... 00:10:187 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4) - This pattern doesn't make sense here. It'd be better to be where 00:14:758 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) is.

Kiai parts are just... too lame to be mapped like that. Players are waiting to crash their keyboards (well... not that much) when those parts are being played.

01:29:068 (1,2,3,4,5,6,1,2,3,4,5,6,1,2,3,4,5,1,2,3,4,5,6,7) - This Hdash spam doesn't make any sense imo. That mapping could've been more original.

From 01:43:900 (1) to Kiai #2 beginning: ^

02:10:042 (1,2,3,4,5) - It's ok if you follow the vocals there, but at least you could've filled the gap with 4 1/2 notes more.

The last 1/8 broken stream doesn't really fit there, to be honest.

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Don't give kudosu to this post. I only wanted to give some constructive criticism to Dax, so he can improve his CTB maps in the future. In my honest opinion, this one is far away to get ranked... though it can be played just for fun/HDash practice.

EDIT:

All advices from Deif & eldnl changed.. this is stupid.. now i hate more and more the ctb.
Download: DECO27 feat. marina - Aimai Elegy (val0108) [Red Light ~CtB~].osu
btw.. now i will map some stupids songs for make stupids maps for practice..
And thanks for all anyways

Srry @val0108 for the Discuss.

It's all part of the learning process. All mappers go through this, be it osu! or taiko difficulties. Just keep at it and hopefully we'll get a cool map out of it. :3

[General]
The second offset should be using 7/4 time signature, but in [Easy] it's 4/4, in [Normal] it's 6/4. (hope i didn't miss others, you'd better to check it agian...)
CTB is still unrankable now. Maybe just give a link in the creator's words. No it's rankable now. really sorry.

[Easy]
00:12:187 - add a note? (whistle)
01:06:187 (4,5,6) - not a big problem but won't recommend this... (1/1 stack in the easiest diff)
01:29:068 (1) - 1/1 sliders instead of 3/4 sliders? it's more easy to handle for the newbies and follows the music in another way. ( i mean all this part, another way may be using repeat sliders all the way, change the 3/4 slider+ 3/4 note part.)
01:58:757 (2) - miss a whistle at the end
02:38:757 (1) - finish?
02:46:757 (5,6,7,8) - orz. hope you could find another way to arrange them...?

[Normal]
00:03:472 - green line not snapped here though won't affect any.
00:27:330 (2) - Don't really see the need of this shape...(for the pitch down i think..?) since your previous/following part don't use such shapes, it may looks too single.
00:49:044 (1) - 00:58:187 (1) - Personally i worry such beats are not easy to handle for newbie players..

[Love's Taiko]
Resnap all notes plz.
01:07:330 - the kiai line is not snapped
01:15:830 (532) - k?
good.

[Hard]
01:07:330 (1) - just curious why not at the 1 grid left point..?
01:14:758 (3,1) - a bit ugly after stacked, manually move it a bit?
01:32:214 (1) - sounds kinda strange to me... wouldn't a 1/1 here be better? this is not a rush part.
01:35:360 (1) - ^
01:39:854 (1) - ^
01:41:427 (1) - i guess you may want to use the "slide" sounds, but then why not make it gradually turn down..?
01:42:551 - remove the break orz, too short.
Most sliders in this diff seems too straight (parallel with axis-x/y). not a fan of such kind...

[Insane]
i'd prefer a AR8 diff before we come to 0108 orz. (Hard is 7)
00:34:044 (5) - ends at 00:34:187 - a downbeat where i think should be a "press" feeling here... maybe change? hidden notes have more meaning than just hidden.
01:22:776 (1) - nice finish pace here.
01:46:185 (1) - miss a clap?
02:07:185 (1) - any different ways to arrange them other than just stack?
meh...

[0108]
00:21:615 - 00:39:901 - greenlines not snapped.
00:12:401 - add a note?
01:02:187 (3) - new combo for spacing change here?
01:10:758 (1,3) - ehh why different shape
01:16:472 (1) - the ticks sounds like a disaster orz but nothing we could do here.
01:42:326 - remove the short break.
02:47:328 (1) - ...

CTB diffs are rankablee

My bad. It's rankable now, i don't know CTB much but you guys who are good at it may give me some ideas about it~?

NatsumeRin wrote:

My bad. It's rankable now, i don't know CTB much but you guys who are good at it may give me some ideas about it~?

To be honest, the difficulty is not good, need a lot of work, I modded it on IRC but dax didn't anything (or most probably he uploaded another version), anyways, the ctb diff is not ready.

eldnl wrote:

To be honest, the difficulty is not good, need a lot of work, I modded it on IRC but dax didn't anything (or most probably he uploaded another version), anyways, the ctb diff is not ready.

I see and is a another version. My error I think.. here is the real update.
Download: DECO27 feat. marina - Aimai Elegy (val0108) [Red Light ~CtB~].osu

@eldnl please ask before charge.. and sorry if you take my words literally

The BPM change should be at offset 76484 with 7/4 time for all difficulties. That should not unsnap any notes.

[Normal]
00:03:472 - green line not snapped here though won't affect any. Not even needed, heh. Deleted.
00:27:330 (2) - Don't really see the need of this shape...(for the pitch down i think..?) since your previous/following part don't use such shapes, it may looks too single. poof
00:49:044 (1) - 00:58:187 (1) - Personally i worry such beats are not easy to handle for newbie players.. Simplified a little.

http://puu.sh/uPY7

thanks NatsumeRin

Download: DECO27 feat. marina - Aimai Elegy (val0108) [Hard].osu

I'm glad I logged in today o.o

Download: DECO27 feat. marina - Aimai Elegy (val0108) [Love's Taiko].osu

NatsumeRin wrote:

[General]
The second offset should be using 7/4 time signature, but in [Easy] it's 4/4, in [Normal] it's 6/4. (hope i didn't miss others, you'd better to check it agian...)
CTB is still unrankable now. Maybe just give a link in the creator's words. No it's rankable now. really sorry.

[Easy]
00:12:187 - add a note? (whistle)
01:06:187 (4,5,6) - not a big problem but won't recommend this... (1/1 stack in the easiest diff)
01:29:068 (1) - 1/1 sliders instead of 3/4 sliders? it's more easy to handle for the newbies and follows the music in another way. ( i mean all this part, another way may be using repeat sliders all the way, change the 3/4 slider+ 3/4 note part.)
01:58:757 (2) - miss a whistle at the end
02:38:757 (1) - finish?
02:46:757 (5,6,7,8) - orz. hope you could find another way to arrange them...?

[Normal]
00:03:472 - green line not snapped here though won't affect any.
00:27:330 (2) - Don't really see the need of this shape...(for the pitch down i think..?) since your previous/following part don't use such shapes, it may looks too single.
00:49:044 (1) - 00:58:187 (1) - Personally i worry such beats are not easy to handle for newbie players..

[Love's Taiko]
Resnap all notes plz.
01:07:330 - the kiai line is not snapped
01:15:830 (532) - k?
good.

[Hard]
01:07:330 (1) - just curious why not at the 1 grid left point..?
01:14:758 (3,1) - a bit ugly after stacked, manually move it a bit?
01:32:214 (1) - sounds kinda strange to me... wouldn't a 1/1 here be better? this is not a rush part.
01:35:360 (1) - ^
01:39:854 (1) - ^
01:41:427 (1) - i guess you may want to use the "slide" sounds, but then why not make it gradually turn down..?
01:42:551 - remove the break orz, too short.
Most sliders in this diff seems too straight (parallel with axis-x/y). not a fan of such kind...

[Insane]
i'd prefer a AR8 diff before we come to 0108 orz. (Hard is 7)
00:34:044 (5) - ends at 00:34:187 - a downbeat where i think should be a "press" feeling here... maybe change? hidden notes have more meaning than just hidden.
01:22:776 (1) - nice finish pace here.
01:46:185 (1) - miss a clap?
02:07:185 (1) - any different ways to arrange them other than just stack?
meh...

[0108]
00:21:615 - 00:39:901 - greenlines not snapped.
00:12:401 - add a note?
01:02:187 (3) - new combo for spacing change here?
01:10:758 (1,3) - ehh why different shape
01:16:472 (1) - the ticks sounds like a disaster orz but nothing we could do here.
01:42:326 - remove the short break.
02:47:328 (1) - ...

all somechanged.thanks rin

Srry about this rly.. ._. Some people says me my diff have Snapped errors, Etc so.. here is the REAL update.. i feel so stupid .-.
Download: DECO27 feat. marina - Aimai Elegy (val0108) [Red Light ~CtB~].osu

great map hope it ranked *-*

Just wanted to drop in to say that

[Red Light ~CtB~]
02:38:757 ~ end - Better use 1/2 notes instead of 1/4, the drum beat is certainly 1/2 and the hitnormals don't add as much as they ruin the sounding of the map in this part. Consider it. Other than this, love this diff, so fun to play yet not insanely difficult.

Good luck with the map, it's one of my favorite songs!

Maybe Dax would like to consider KRZY's suggestion... I'll bubble when all things decided.

The diff looks much better than the 1st time I tested it. I'll make a quick mod tomorrow and find another modder as well... I think it still can be polished a little bit more.

KRZY wrote:

Just wanted to drop in to say that

[Red Light ~CtB~]
02:38:757 ~ end - Better use 1/2 notes instead of 1/4, the drum beat is certainly 1/2 and the hitnormals don't add as much as they ruin the sounding of the map in this part. Consider it. Other than this, love this diff, so fun to play yet not insanely difficult.

Good luck with the map, it's one of my favorite songs!

OK Changed to 1/2 notes.. I think now is better but i need the mod of Deif.. xD btw.. thanks for the support guys.. rly.
Download: DECO27 feat. marina - Aimai Elegy (val0108) [Red Light ~CtB~].osu

EDIT: Advice:
-Easy:
01:16:472 (1) - The end of this spinner are Unsnapped.
-Love's Taiko:
01:17:603 (539,540,541,542) - Unsnapped Circles.
-Insane:
01:16:472 (1) - The end of this spinner are Unsnapped.
btw nokds this please