The argue is this: FL despite having a higher multp than HR gives you less PP than HR. This shouldn't happend becouse it's anti-intuitive to the player, "Why if im playing with a mod wich has higher multp it gives me less PP? wtf" That's what a player should think when he realize that problem. The solutions are a lot, low the multp of FL, rate FL higher than HR and anothers. The problem here it's if you rate FL like you will rate DT (Wich should be if we take in account only multp) the system will broke even more, becouse i could just memorize a 4 star song and have 280pp or more. So my solution will be lower the multp of FL.CXu wrote:
So like what are you even trying to argue. That FL is memorization/takes no skill? That the score multipliers (which are ancient) are inbalanced because FL is actually easier than HR? Or that PP doesn't rate FL correctly, because HR is getting higher multipliers than FL despite FL being harder?
CXu wrote:
As for the whole FL not really being a skill thing:
Go play this with FL https://osu.ppy.sh/s/320118 and come back when you're done. It's only a 1:10 minute map, so should be quick to memorize the position of all the notes, and after that you have learned the map and it takes no more skill to FC with FL right?
Or try placing a bunch of different things in front of you on the table, then close your eyes, then try to grab a specific thing. You'll probably move your hand in the general direction of the thing you want to grab, and you might feel out a bit to confirm that you're able to grab it, maybe adjust your hand a bit to the left or right?
The same thing happens when you play FL. It's not just knowing where the notes are; it's also being able to recall all of the notes in succession right after each other before the note has to be hit, and actually being able to execute these motions in the dark based on possibly slightly flawed/inaccurate memory. Remembering a star pattern in the top right corner slightly tilted is one thing; knowing that the 4th note of said star is on osu!pixel 560;18 and move your cursor to that specific point (and not, say, 565;23) is another.
I can't even FC that withouth FL, so maybe in a couple of months. I have said in the post a couple of times that for me FL it's one of the hardest mods, and I have said that it's also an easyer mod than the rest of the others. I wil now copy and paste a comment of my own that explain my argument pretty well: "The argument is base in the fact that you don't necesarry be good at the game of a hole to FC a map with FL, if you can easily FC the song with no mod, or HD, if you tried times enough you will FC with FL. It's easy, but it's possible, here's comes the controversy, it's hard to FC it, but then why I said it was easy? Well I said it was "Easier in some way" If you don't have the skill enough In the game itself you will have to play a lot's of tries into the map to FC it with DT, for example. But when talking about FL, you don't need to have overall skill in the game, you need skill with FL and with that song, that's becouse FL is such an selfish mode, that has his own skill in diference for DT and HR wich they both have simillar skill It's hard to FC a song with FL, in some way, but in the other way it's easy to do it." Even if I play with FL all my life, I never would be able to FC a map with FL in the first try, becouse you don't need skill with FL to FC it you need memorize the map (some maps are easyer than other with FL, don't take the quote literaly) I (a noob 31k player) can beat you (the 39# rank player in the world) in a 1vs1 with the only map that I play with FL(+EZ) if it's you first try on it.
I have said a lot's of time that it's a hard mod, but in another way it's easy to. I explain myself bad a lot of times arround the post, becouse I only said "easy" for being lazy.
Even so I understand that it's not a easy thing play jumps maps with FL, but it's easyer than playing with DT, (the other mod with x0.12 multp) and it's a disscucion if it's easyer or harder than HR. The thing is, if you can FC no title 6.6 star diff, if you trie enough you can fc it with FL, but even if you tried enough times, it will take you more than FL to FC it with HR.
psd: I acctually cannot believe that im talking to the player that I see his replays on "GRANDOREO Can do HDHR 100%acc" all the time lol.
I don't realy understand you, can you trie to explain better? Im not that good in english.Stefan wrote:
The experience that I have with FL it's 0. But, even so, tell me why I need experience with FL when Im talking to change the mulpt of it?Darkan996 wrote:
And by all honesty, I don't think you can provide enough experience to carry the complaint towards Flashlight mod
The experience you should bring in such a discussion doesn't essentially require to be a 50k playcount player and that you spend hours over hours with playing said mods but it is the amount of feedback, of numbers, comparisons and researches you have in total. That can happen by other players as well, you brought up one example and.. that's it. And I don't see anyone recalling that problem nor that this has been brought up before to be a critical problem in the leaderboards.
idk why to.Trapmaniac wrote:
I'm shocked this isn't locked yet
Thanks to all for your comments, Im wating for the answers!!