1. Futsuu (2.21 stars, 274 notes)
2. Inner Oni (5.33 stars, 869 notes)
3. Kantan (1.31 stars, 148 notes)
4. Muzukashii (3.17 stars, 514 notes)
5. Oni (4.14 stars, 685 notes)

Nifty wrote:

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00:14:622 (122) - what, what is this? what is this supposed to represent? what is this snapped to? why? you also forgot to even map it here 00:56:135 - so it makes even less sense. ok two things: a) 1/6 for emphasis is very much a concept. consider the fact that most taiko maps have to be "overmapped" in that beats put in the editor don't 1-to-1 correlate with aspects of the music so that the general feel of the patterning matches the music; and b) yes it is mapped at the latter point
none of the 1/6 used in this is supported by the music, there's literally not one instance of 1/6 used in the entire song. refutation: 00:19:541 (166,167,168,169) - and every time this same melody section ends
00:37:703 - why is this not mapped fully as a stream when it's the main melody line, when 00:23:432 - this is mapped completely to the little side bloops that aren't the main melody line. the section at 00:23:432 has a supporting 1/4 melody where all of the notes are distinguishable, while the section at 00:37:703 has a melody that clearly emphasizes 00:37:703 (326,328,329,330,331,332,333,334,335,336) - where the 1/2 gaps allow that emphasis to be recognized
why are these kiais inconsistant? they don't make any sense. if you're going to kiai the first two sections, do the same for the same section of the music, this is a simple song. but then, you would have like, the entire song kiai'd, so just remove the first two kiai, easy. kiais are done based on which parts of the song seem relatively stronger as you go through the song (because for the reason you said, the entire damn song would be a kiai time if i adhered to consistency per same section). so the first two sections are kiai'ed because compared to the intro it's a part where the bass kicks in and the pace of the song ramps up, the third and fourth kiais are done because relative to the parts before them every part of the music is highlighted more
00:14:514 - / 00:56:027 - inconsistency? style? mapping random noises in the background? all of the above? hm i'd expect rationale for this to be more obvious, the latter section has a pounding 1/1 bass beat that i bring out by often using ds on 1/1, while the former does not

this song doesn't support this difficulty, that's really what I'm trying to say here. all the "improvisation" over these simple lines makes it seem hella overmapped, since the song is so oversimplified. not undersonged, just overmapped. repeat point a) from my first response here

edit 1: also jesus christ that futsuu/muzu gap will fix at some point when i'm not lazy

edit 2: also why is the preview point in just the worst place, whatever it doesn't matter just another thing that bugged me it's the melody i like the most lol. mapping is subjective!

Nifty wrote:

and I pointed out the spread issue too, I even gave you the correct metadata.

TKS wrote:

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00:00:082 (1) - there is no big point having don when compared to these notes 00:01:379 (13) - 00:02:676 (23) - 00:03:973 (34) - . hm i see your point but i like the way the first notes of the bars are done right now - having the first note of each four bar phrase be a d sort of shapes the phrase if that makes sense
00:05:190 (46,47) - ^ also you could swap them. if you want to emphasize such a calm part, placing kat sound on barline makes sense absolutely. well up to you. same response, see above
00:12:892 (109,110) - 00:14:189 (120,121) - 00:18:081 (157,158) - on the contrary, you could emphasize this kiai part by swapping them. for the first two kiais the structure formed by the first notes is d d k k (with the exception of the second half of the second kiai). since the structure in the beginning is d k k k, the additional d compared to the intro already emphasizes the kiai imo
00:46:297 (388,389) - should be removed them then add don to 00:46:135 - . i guess that you just made a similar pattern the same way as 00:41:108 - but they have different sound clearly. yeah that's something i noticed while mapping, but i decided to stick with the same rhythmic structure at all those parts regardless of the drum beat in the back because i wanted to emphasize the synth melody and sticking a note right after it would detract from said emphasis
01:27:810 (739,740) - ^ same. ^

Nifty wrote:

I still think the inner need to be brought to attention, the "emphasis" at 00:14:514 - is not fitting for such a small occurrence in the music.

The 1/6 at 00:19:541 - and the corresponding patterns is not appropriate since it's aligned to a pattern that is 1) not exactly what it is mapped as and 2) instantly switches to essentially a 1/4 improv pattern over the bass+snare background. This is extremely misleading, as for the first 4 notes you are playing to the high pitched trill that slows down, but for the rest of the pattern it isn't necessarily mapped to anything in the music that is important at the time. This forces the player to play it just by reading, which may not be difficult, but it's something that shouldn't happen when there are alternative solutions, like using sliders.

tl;dr for some reason: mapping the first 4 notes of the trill and instantly switching to a layer that you can hardly here isn't okay.

Nifty wrote:

Also were the kantan and oni even touched?

hikikochan wrote:

if i were to "map to the music," i'd be pulling some shit like (kdkdkdk)dkdk because that's literally what the song does.

Nifty wrote:

That's my point, that's exactly what the song doesn't do. It's... that word that is used when something isn't aligned to a metronome. It's random, you can't map it exactly unless you used, like, 1/16. That's why it's not appropriate for things to be mapped "not exactly" to it, the method you're using it not helping the players rather than hurting them.

1. 00:09:162 - I consider you created this stream as flat 1/4 because it's the intro section and should be calm. If you follow the 1/6 keyboard sound, it should start or contain at least one 1/6 4-plet like you did on 00:19:541 - this for example.
2. 00:14:514 - Well, just because it feels or flows good I don't think a 1/6 dddk is neccessary there because it emphasizes nothing. And it also triggered me a bit since you haven't use any 1/6 that I mentioned above, not using where the sound exists and using where the sound doesn't exist is... not good for me. Same applies on 00:56:027 - this as well.
3. 00:48:081 - I think you should've started the 1/3 patterns here because it's hard to follow what the patterns are written of, especially a start on off-beat 1/3 makes it even harder to understand, but if you have thought of following the D kkd K ddk sequence twice (which is not twice, the 2nd K ddk doesn't exist) I can suggest changing 00:48:243 ~ 00:48:567 - to K ddk (dddkkkd) (bracket means 1/3) to follow the background rhythm fully and switch to keyboard afterwards. What I mean is more clear on the image (the point is at 00:48:567 - )
   
4. 01:01:053 - This one's structure conflicts with the other ones, considering you are following the 1/6 1/4 keyboard foreground sound, I expected a stream like others such as 00:29:919 - this one. Why doesn't this have one while the others have? Couldn't understand.

Monstrata wrote:

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frukoyurdakul wrote:

Hello there, sorry for this late mod but I have a concern about some things on Inner Oni. If you have better explanations, please explain.

1. 00:09:162 - I consider you created this stream as flat 1/4 because it's the intro section and should be calm. If you follow the 1/6 keyboard sound, it should start or contain at least one 1/6 4-plet like you did on 00:19:541 - this for example. yes your explanation is correct - i avoided using 1/6 here because it's still in the calmer intro
2. 00:14:514 - Well, just because it feels or flows good I don't think a 1/6 dddk is neccessary there because it emphasizes nothing. And it also triggered me a bit since you haven't use any 1/6 that I mentioned above, not using where the sound exists and using where the sound doesn't exist is... not good for me. Same applies on 00:56:027 - this as well. as established in the previous point, i didn't use 1/6 in the intro because of the song's calmness. here in the more upbeat sections (with pounding bass beats, higher synth melodies, etc you get the gist) i use 1/6 where there exists 1/6 in the song, just not necessarily exactly how the song does it. at 00:14:514 - there are some faint grace notes in the melody leading to the following note that don't appear anywhere else in the song other than 00:56:027 -, so i chose to emphasize that with (dddk), which works because the only note emphasized by that patterning is the more audible last note. for the parts of the song correlating to 00:19:541 (163,164,165,166) - i've explained my logic in previous mod responses
3. 00:48:081 - I think you should've started the 1/3 patterns here because it's hard to follow what the patterns are written of, especially a start on off-beat 1/3 makes it even harder to understand, but if you have thought of following the D kkd K ddk sequence twice (which is not twice, the 2nd K ddk doesn't exist) I can suggest changing 00:48:243 ~ 00:48:567 - to K ddk (dddkkkd) (bracket means 1/3) to follow the background rhythm fully and switch to keyboard afterwards. What I mean is more clear on the image (the point is at 00:48:567 - ) i've actually considered this patterning before but decided against it because playing the K ddk rhythm while the synth melody is clearly in 1/3 feels off. while you could argue that the X xxx X xxx etc rhythm scheme adheres to the percussion layer only and thus this section is a bout of confusing layer switching, i'd argue that it follows the synth melody as well (finishers landing on a new group of 3 1/2s), so this patterning isn't a problem
   
4. 01:01:053 - This one's structure conflicts with the other ones, considering you are following the 1/6 1/4 keyboard foreground sound, I expected a stream like others such as 00:29:919 - this one. Why doesn't this have one while the others have? Couldn't understand. the emphasis in this section is on the pounding 1/1 bass kick so in order to continue that emphasis i avoid mapping a stream here. the patterning clearly allows for ds on the beats and the lack of a stream actually allows these notes at 01:01:378 (521,522,523) - to have more impact in the context of the instrumental background

I think these issues are important hence I need some clarifications on these usages. My intention is not starting a drama or something, I wrote to the thread because I couldn't find you in game. Sorry for the inconvenience. no problem, thanks for taking a look!

hikikochan wrote:

[*]00:48:081 - I think you should've started the 1/3 patterns here because it's hard to follow what the patterns are written of, especially a start on off-beat 1/3 makes it even harder to understand, but if you have thought of following the D kkd K ddk sequence twice (which is not twice, the 2nd K ddk doesn't exist) I can suggest changing 00:48:243 ~ 00:48:567 - to K ddk (dddkkkd) (bracket means 1/3) to follow the background rhythm fully and switch to keyboard afterwards. What I mean is more clear on the image (the point is at 00:48:567 - ) i've actually considered this patterning before but decided against it because playing the K ddk rhythm while the synth melody is clearly in 1/3 feels off. while you could argue that the X xxx X xxx etc rhythm scheme adheres to the percussion layer only and thus this section is a bout of confusing layer switching, i'd argue that it follows the synth melody as well (finishers landing on a new group of 3 1/2s), so this patterning isn't a problem

frukoyurdakul wrote:

hikikochan wrote:

[*]00:48:081 - I think you should've started the 1/3 patterns here because it's hard to follow what the patterns are written of, especially a start on off-beat 1/3 makes it even harder to understand, but if you have thought of following the D kkd K ddk sequence twice (which is not twice, the 2nd K ddk doesn't exist) I can suggest changing 00:48:243 ~ 00:48:567 - to K ddk (dddkkkd) (bracket means 1/3) to follow the background rhythm fully and switch to keyboard afterwards. What I mean is more clear on the image (the point is at 00:48:567 - ) i've actually considered this patterning before but decided against it because playing the K ddk rhythm while the synth melody is clearly in 1/3 feels off. while you could argue that the X xxx X xxx etc rhythm scheme adheres to the percussion layer only and thus this section is a bout of confusing layer switching, i'd argue that it follows the synth melody as well (finishers landing on a new group of 3 1/2s), so this patterning isn't a problem

Umm, the pattern actually conflicts what you say there. It actually is not following the synth at 00:48:081 - this spot where the 1/3 started, and 00:48:243 (400) - this note is currently emphasizing the main melody. An instrument switch at that point plus a SV change at the middle of the 1/3 synth makes me confused, because you are correct on 00:46:783 - 00:47:270 - 00:47:756 - these about following the pitch itself but 00:48:243 - this one conflicts with them. Because of the 1/3 synth start there is actually not a specific synth sound that starts at the note's time but exists on 1/3 snapping around, which makes it harder to follow.

The other explanations are fine for me, but I think you should really change this one.

frukoyurdakul wrote:

Umm, the pattern actually conflicts what you say there. It actually is not following the synth at 00:48:081 - this spot where the 1/3 started, and 00:48:243 (400) - this note is currently emphasizing the main melody. An instrument switch at that point plus a SV change at the middle of the 1/3 synth makes me confused, because you are correct on 00:46:783 - 00:47:270 - 00:47:756 - these about following the pitch itself but 00:48:243 - this one conflicts with them. Because of the 1/3 synth start there is actually not a specific synth sound that starts at the note's time but exists on 1/3 snapping around, which makes it harder to follow.

The other explanations are fine for me, but I think you should really change this one.

i've never been this extra doing something in osu