Yoko Takahashi - Zankoku na Tenshi no These <TV.Size Version · forum

moph

Joined January 2013

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moph 2017-09-24T09:31:30+00:00

This beatmap was submitted using in-game submission on Sunday, 6 May 2018 at 5:39:39 p.m.

Artist: Yoko Takahashi
Title: Zankoku na Tenshi no These <TV.Size Version>
Source: 新世紀エヴァンゲリオン
Tags: Neon Genesis Evangelion opening Cruel Angel's Thesis ambient rizen
BPM: 80
Filesize: 19022kb
Play Time: 01:28
Difficulties Available:

Advanced (2.46 stars, 163 notes)
Ambient's Insane (3.84 stars, 308 notes)
Extra (4.56 stars, 352 notes)
Normal (1.91 stars, 122 notes)
Rizen's Hard (3.09 stars, 265 notes)
Extreme (5.5 stars, 371 notes)

Download: Yoko Takahashi - Zankoku na Tenshi no These <TV.Size Version>
Download: Yoko Takahashi - Zankoku na Tenshi no These <TV.Size Version> (no video)
Information: Scores/Beatmap Listing
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Last edited by moph 2019-08-01T07:20:15+00:00, edited 42 times in total.

kwk

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kwk 2017-09-24T09:54:56+00:00

moph mapping anime????

moph

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moph 2017-09-26T01:32:17+00:00

only the best

Ambient

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Ambient 2017-09-26T05:41:12+00:00

yeah the bois

Buttercup

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Buttercup 2017-10-01T16:11:54+00:00

omg anime

Juiceys

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Joined June 2016

Juiceys 2017-10-02T04:41:01+00:00

Ambient's Insane:

00:34:456 (4,1) - I don't really like how this looks, maybe you could have 1's Sliderend stack with one of 4's points?
00:44:717 (1,2) - Nazi blanket

01:07:105 (1,2,3) - Spacing here hella confused me because it's similar to 01:05:240 (1,2,3) - So I thought it would be 1/4 taps because spacing was similar
maybe change it

01:28:910 (2) - Sound ends on the blue tick before, weird to have it end on no sound

00:21:863 (8,9,10) - the jump here shouldn't be so large because the sound is insignificant compared to 00:20:464 (1,2,3,4) - the biggest jumps should be here

Normal:

00:23:262 (2,3) - blanket off my dude

SPOILER

01:05:006 (4,5) - Same

01:22:031 (1,2) - Beginner players will click the reverse by mistake, make it so that 2's sliderhead is closer to 1 than the slidertail

moph

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moph 2017-10-02T06:46:10+00:00

Juiceys wrote:
Normal:

00:23:262 (2,3) - blanket off my dude
SPOILER

01:05:006 (4,5) - Same

01:22:031 (1,2) - Beginner players will click the reverse by mistake, make it so that 2's sliderhead is closer to 1 than the slidertail

fixed all, thanks!

Ambient

579 posts

Joined August 2013

Ambient 2017-10-02T12:58:06+00:00

Juiceys wrote:
Ambient's Insane:

00:34:456 (4,1) - I don't really like how this looks, maybe you could have 1's Sliderend stack with one of 4's points? - i think its fine for the time being.
00:44:717 (1,2) - Nazi blanket - Fixed!

01:07:105 (1,2,3) - Spacing here hella confused me because it's similar to 01:05:240 (1,2,3) - So I thought it would be 1/4 taps because spacing was similar
maybe change it - fine for the time being, unless someone else brings it up.

01:28:910 (2) - Sound ends on the blue tick before, weird to have it end on no sound Fixed!

00:21:863 (8,9,10) - the jump here shouldn't be so large because the sound is insignificant compared to 00:20:464 (1,2,3,4) - the biggest jumps should be here moved some stuff around

Thanks for the mod!

Update

osu file format v14

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AudioLeadIn: 0
PreviewTime: 66989
Countdown: 0
SampleSet: Soft
StackLeniency: 0.3
Mode: 0
LetterboxInBreaks: 0
WidescreenStoryboard: 1

[Editor]
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DistanceSpacing: 1.4
BeatDivisor: 8
GridSize: 32
TimelineZoom: 2.2

[Metadata]
Title:Zankoku na Tenshi no Tze
TitleUnicode:残酷な天使のテーゼ
Artist:Yoko Takahashi
ArtistUnicode:高橋 洋子
Creator:moph
Version:Ambient's Insane
Source:新世紀エヴァンゲリオン
Tags:Neon Genesis Evangelion opening Cruel Angel's Thesis ambient rizen aqpw a_q_p_w
BeatmapID:1423969
BeatmapSetID:672960

[Difficulty]
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CircleSize:4
OverallDifficulty:7
ApproachRate:8
SliderMultiplier:2.9
SliderTickRate:1

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Affirmation

2,548 posts

Joined March 2015

Affirmation 2017-10-07T10:46:11+00:00

Q

[Extra]
00:22:679 - why you didn't add a beat here? you added at 00:37:604 (2) - 00:24:545 (2) - 00:26:410 (2) - other parts...
00:48:448 (1,2) - looks too big jump comparing with other parts?
01:08:971 (1,5) - stack?
01:28:561 (3,1) - swap NC like 01:21:098 (1,2) -

[Insane]
00:11:497 (5) - NC?
00:57:544 (6,2,3) - could you avoid this linear overlap? looks not so good imo.

GL

Ambient

579 posts

Joined August 2013

Ambient 2017-10-07T12:17:41+00:00

Neoskylove wrote:
[Insane]
00:11:497 (5) - NC? - Okie
00:57:544 (6,2,3) - could you avoid this linear overlap? looks not so good imo. - holy moly thanks for pointing that out, fixed.

GL

Thanks for the mod

wew

osu file format v14

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TitleUnicode:残酷な天使のテーゼ
Artist:Yoko Takahashi
ArtistUnicode:高橋 洋子
Creator:moph
Version:Ambient's Insane
Source:新世紀エヴァンゲリオン
Tags:Neon Genesis Evangelion opening Cruel Angel's Thesis ambient rizen aqpw a_q_p_w
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moph

1,147 posts

Joined January 2013

Topic Starter

moph 2017-10-07T12:30:23+00:00

Neoskylove wrote:
[Extra]
00:22:679 - why you didn't add a beat here? you added at 00:37:604 (2) - 00:24:545 (2) - 00:26:410 (2) - other parts... made consistent
00:48:448 (1,2) - looks too big jump comparing with other parts? fixed
01:08:971 (1,5) - stack? fixed
01:28:561 (3,1) - swap NC like 01:21:098 (1,2) - fixed

thank you!

Froskya

1,253 posts

Joined April 2014

Froskya 2017-10-07T15:23:08+00:00

Hi! NM from Revinya's Queue!

General

Off "Widescreen Support"
Set combo colours
Maybe at 01:07:105 don't make NC but make it in 01:07:572 and in other same parts?

Normal

Some HS are lost
00:49:381 (1) - delete NC
01:29:260 - move timing point
00:50:314 - delete timing point

Advanced

00:21:746 (1) - delete NC
01:29:260 - move timing point

Rizen's Hard

01:06:522 - 01:06:989 - delete timing points
01:07:572 - 01:07:922 - ^

Ambient'sInsane

00:34:456 (4,5,6,1) - pretty strange pattern
01:29:260 - move timing point
01:29:144 - make it weak

Extra

00:20:464 (1,2,1,2) - well it can looks better rly
00:57:194 (7,8,9) - ^
00:58:710 (6,7,8,9) - ^
00:30:725 (4) - NC
00:32:590 (4) - ^
00:45:650 (4) - ^
00:47:515 (4) - ^
01:29:260 - move timing point
01:29:260 - make it weak

Good map, rank it!~ :>

timemon

Beatmap Nominator

1,307 posts

Joined November 2012

timemon 2017-10-07T17:05:39+00:00

why is the vocal always doing the 3/4
[Normal]
I think the object density outside of the kiai part is very close to the kiai which makes the kiai stand out a lot less.
I suggest you lower the density out of the kiai like 00:15:566 (2) - 00:19:297 (2) - these are not so important sound, no need to map them

It's too late for this but your slider velocity is extremely high for a normal diff. Next time use 0.8-1.2 lol

00:30:491 (2) - you can also cut this as the consecutive 1/2 is going on for too long

00:49:381 (1) - NC error

[Advanced]
00:21:746 (1) - why NC here?
00:26:993 (2,3) - you were following the vocal but why suddenly switch to the instrument?

[Rizen's hard]
01:07:572 (2) - would be cool if you NC this one imo same for 01:15:034 (2) - and so on

the diff looks fine but im mostly concerned about the spaced doubles at 00:17:665 (5,6) - and 01:24:829 (5,6) - . Just the fact that it's a double already makes it too hard. imo you shouldn't space them so much but stack them instead

[Ambient's Insane]
01:14:568 (1,2) - you make the 1/2 look visually too similar to the 1/4 stream and can lead to readability issue especially when I don't see spaced 1/2 or stack 1/2 introduced early on which is sort of a gimmick. I suggest you just map the 1/2 like a small jump, space them out enough to not be mistaken for a 1/4.

Also I think the map could use some SV manipulation like here 01:07:572 (3) - and so on because the sound is so powerful

[Extra]
01:28:910 (3) - NC for final object?

good luck and don't forget to set your combo colours

defiance

503 posts

Joined July 2015

defiance 2017-10-07T17:23:55+00:00

this is the only anime i will accept being mapped

moph

1,147 posts

Joined January 2013

Topic Starter

moph 2017-10-08T05:58:09+00:00

Revialink wrote:
Hi! NM from Revinya's Queue!
General

Off "Widescreen Support" done
Set combo colours done
Maybe at 01:07:105 don't make NC but make it in 01:07:572 and in other same parts? I think the NC there makes sense

Normal

Some HS are lost yeah, I don't really want to make slider tick rate 2 so I'll keep it as is for now
00:49:381 (1) - delete NC fixed
01:29:260 - move timing point done
00:50:314 - delete timing point done

Advanced

00:21:746 (1) - delete NC fixed
01:29:260 - move timing point fixed

Extra

00:20:464 (1,2,1,2) - well it can looks better rly I tried ;;
00:57:194 (7,8,9) - ^ ^
00:58:710 (6,7,8,9) - ^ ^
00:30:725 (4) - NC nah I'm NCing every new stanza
00:32:590 (4) - ^ ^
00:45:650 (4) - ^ ^
00:47:515 (4) - ^ ^
01:29:260 - move timing point done
01:29:260 - make it weak done

Good map, rank it!~ :>

thank you for the mod!

timemon wrote:
why is the vocal always doing the 3/4 same
[Normal]
I think the object density outside of the kiai part is very close to the kiai which makes the kiai stand out a lot less.
I suggest you lower the density out of the kiai like 00:15:566 (2) - 00:19:297 (2) - these are not so important sound, no need to map them yeah I was worried about that, deleted the two notes

It's too late for this but your slider velocity is extremely high for a normal diff. Next time use 0.8-1.2 lol yeah oops

00:30:491 (2) - you can also cut this as the consecutive 1/2 is going on for too long section strictly follows the vocals so I'd rather not skip it

00:49:381 (1) - NC error fixed

[Advanced]
00:21:746 (1) - why NC here? no idea, fixed
00:26:993 (2,3) - you were following the vocal but why suddenly switch to the instrument? did this to kind of break away from the constant 3/4 rhythms. Did it again later at the same place for consistency so I hope its fine

[Extra]
01:28:910 (3) - NC for final object? sure

good luck and don't forget to set your combo colours yep done

thanks for the mod!

Ambient

579 posts

Joined August 2013

Ambient 2017-10-09T08:55:31+00:00

timemon wrote:
[Ambient's Insane]
01:14:568 (1,2) - you make the 1/2 look visually too similar to the 1/4 stream and can lead to readability issue especially when I don't see spaced 1/2 or stack 1/2 introduced early on which is sort of a gimmick. I suggest you just map the 1/2 like a small jump, space them out enough to not be mistaken for a 1/4. - since the same pattern is at the start of the kiai, you'd expect it to come up again, so i think its fine.

Also I think the map could use some SV manipulation like here 01:07:572 (3) - and so on because the sound is so powerful - changed the SV for the kiai to x1.10

Revialink wrote:
Ambient'sInsane

00:34:456 (4,5,6,1) - pretty strange pattern - she be right
01:29:260 - move timing point - uhh dont think i really need to
01:29:144 - make it weak - sure thing

Thanks for the mods guys!

UPDATE

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Ambrew

452 posts

Joined January 2016

Ambrew 2017-10-10T01:28:50+00:00

Ambient's insane
01:07:105 (1,2,3) - Only real problem I have with this, both can misread it and underemphasizes the slider. Could you maybe unstack the 2?
01:10:137 (6,7) - Not sure why an emphasis on a sliderend, instead of having something clickable here
01:19:232 (1,2,3,4) - weird rhythm. I'd keep this type of rhythm 01:18:299 (1,2,3,4) -

Same applies to other half of kiai section

Extra
00:21:396 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4) - This is okay but I'd use slightly bigger spaced streams, still a louder part of the song, and feels too cluttered imo
01:04:190 (4,5,6,7) - Felt more natural here 01:00:575 (5,6,7,8) - but you'd only have to delete the circle after this

That's all! good luck~

Ambient

579 posts

Joined August 2013

Ambient 2017-10-10T03:06:24+00:00

Ambrew wrote:
Ambient's insane
01:07:105 (1,2,3) - Only real problem I have with this, both can misread it and underemphasizes the slider. Could you maybe unstack the 2? - dunno how it under-emphasizes the slider, m8 listen to that trumpet go, also in terms of readability its fine. tv size op just retr
01:10:137 (6,7) - Not sure why an emphasis on a sliderend, instead of having something clickable here - fair enough, fixed.
01:19:232 (1,2,3,4) - weird rhythm. I'd keep this type of rhythm 01:18:299 (1,2,3,4) - - i think its fine

Same applies to other half of kiai section

thanks for the mod!

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moph

1,147 posts

Joined January 2013

Topic Starter

moph 2017-10-10T03:18:39+00:00

Ambrew wrote:
Extra
00:21:396 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4) - This is okay but I'd use slightly bigger spaced streams, still a louder part of the song, and feels too cluttered imo keeping it to match the sliders, imo it looks fine ;;
01:04:190 (4,5,6,7) - Felt more natural here 01:00:575 (5,6,7,8) - but you'd only have to delete the circle after this not sure I get what you mean here sorry, I think its ok

That's all! good luck~

thanks Ambrew!

kwk

572 posts

Joined May 2010

kwk 2018-04-23T12:01:35+00:00

~
general
00:22:329 - dont you think the hitsounding in this section seems a bit too empty? maybe could just add a hitsound to the guitar on beats like 00:24:195 - 00:26:061 (1) - etc

top
00:15:216 (2,3) - 00:16:616 (4,1) - etc might be worth nerfing these jumps a bit,when you compare it to the kiai its quite big, or alternatively blow up your kiai a bit more
00:20:464 (1,2,1,2) - imo better to have more movement here, not a lot of cursor movement when you just click heads
00:36:322 (1,1) - misstack?
00:38:887 - 00:40:753 - maybe make these clickable? i think triple rhythm is better since vocals start here, you do it later on in the section but i think its worth doing it here too.
00:57:777 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9) - gradual increase in spacing could be cool
01:13:635 (1,2) - increase spacing here?

ambi
00:14:867 - volume conflict
00:19:414 (4,5) - much rather u unstack these since it kinda loses it emphasis,do what u did here 00:18:948 (2,3) -
00:50:664 (2,4,6) - kinda similar to the above, this bit seems a bit underwhelming, a large spike in difficulty somewhat would be nice
00:58:127 (2,4,6,8) - maybe stack on the end of the previous slider? i think that could be kinda cool, right now its just kinda filler-esque

rizen
00:14:867 - sampleset conflict

no vid?

~

moph

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Joined January 2013

Topic Starter

moph 2018-04-24T14:05:00+00:00

kwk wrote:
~
general
00:22:329 - dont you think the hitsounding in this section seems a bit too empty? maybe could just add a hitsound to the guitar on beats like 00:24:195 - 00:26:061 (1) - etc done

top
00:15:216 (2,3) - 00:16:616 (4,1) - etc might be worth nerfing these jumps a bit,when you compare it to the kiai its quite big, or alternatively blow up your kiai a bit more done
00:20:464 (1,2,1,2) - imo better to have more movement here, not a lot of cursor movement when you just click heads changed it a bit
00:36:322 (1,1) - misstack? redid this part
00:38:887 - 00:40:753 - maybe make these clickable? i think triple rhythm is better since vocals start here, you do it later on in the section but i think its worth doing it here too. ya sure
00:57:777 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9) - gradual increase in spacing could be cool ehh kinda redid this
01:13:635 (1,2) - increase spacing here? sure

rizen
00:14:867 - sampleset conflict fixed

no vid?

~

ty!!

Ambient

579 posts

Joined August 2013

Ambient 2018-04-25T02:16:35+00:00

kwk wrote:
~

ambi
00:14:867 - volume conflict
00:19:414 (4,5) - much rather u unstack these since it kinda loses it emphasis,do what u did here 00:18:948 (2,3) -
00:50:664 (2,4,6) - kinda similar to the above, this bit seems a bit underwhelming, a large spike in difficulty somewhat would be nice
00:58:127 (2,4,6,8) - maybe stack on the end of the previous slider? i think that could be kinda cool, right now its just kinda filler-esque

~

fixed all, cheers kwk <3

Weedy

773 posts

Joined January 2014

Weedy 2018-04-26T21:05:52+00:00

holy shit its been 4 months since i've used mod v1

Normal

00:16:732 (3,4,5) - repos (5) for equilateral triangle aesthetic https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/10808853
00:21:396 (5) - imo 3/4 works fine in normal, better for trumpet representation
01:21:098 (6) - ^ but for vocals

advanced

00:34:456 (2) - fix angle slider, uneven
01:21:098 (7) - i'd extend to a 3/4 slider for vocal

rizen's hard

00:15:799 (4,5) - 00:19:531 (3,4,5) - personally hate border overlaps on sliders ;/
00:21:863 (6) - no drum on last reverse, remove
00:36:322 (3,4) - imo a 1/1 slider would be better rhythmically and visually for vocal emphasis
01:05:240 (1) - a little too short for a spinner in a hard imo, i'd probably do a 7/4 slider with a 3/4 repeat slider https://puu.sh/Ab0wm/bbab5d8cfa.png
01:14:102 (6) - no drum on last repeat, delete

ambient's insane

01:28:910 (2) - imo a space-ier circle would work better than a silenced 1/2 for emphasis

extra

00:36:322 (1) - imo a higher sv slider with the same shape would look cooler, also better represents vocal pitch https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/10809016
00:39:587 (3) - lazy lol
01:29:260 - silence end pls (currently at 40%)

extreme

00:50:314 (1) - ctrl g? flows better
01:14:102 (1,2,1,2,1) - 250% of your sr is right here
01:29:260 - silence end pls (currently at 40%)

moph

1,147 posts

Joined January 2013

Topic Starter

moph 2018-04-27T05:40:53+00:00

[[Pika]] wrote:
holy shit its been 4 months since i've used mod v1

Normal
00:16:732 (3,4,5) - repos (5) for equilateral triangle aesthetic https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/10808853 done
00:21:396 (5) - imo 3/4 works fine in normal, better for trumpet representation rather not have stuff end on a 3/4. It does fit musically but I think its fine on a 1/2 as theres also the percussion and shit
01:21:098 (6) - ^ but for vocals same

advanced
00:34:456 (2) - fix angle slider, uneven done
01:21:098 (7) - i'd extend to a 3/4 slider for vocal sure

extra
00:36:322 (1) - imo a higher sv slider with the same shape would look cooler, also better represents vocal pitch https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/10809016 oo good idea
00:39:587 (3) - lazy lol sshhh im folLoWinG tHe VOcalS
01:29:260 - silence end pls (currently at 40%) ok

extreme
00:50:314 (1) - ctrl g? flows better true
01:14:102 (1,2,1,2,1) - 250% of your sr is right here itsnotashardasitlooks
01:29:260 - silence end pls (currently at 40%) done

thanks Pika!

Ambient

579 posts

Joined August 2013

Ambient 2018-04-27T11:32:35+00:00

[[Pika]] wrote:
ambient's insane
01:28:910 (2) - imo a space-ier circle would work better than a silenced 1/2 for emphasis - i think its fine imo, since the slider is following the vocals. just having a circle would be underwhelming.

Rizen

1,663 posts

Joined August 2013

Rizen 2018-04-27T12:13:34+00:00

[[Pika]] wrote:
rizen's hard
00:15:799 (4,5) - 00:19:531 (3,4,5) - personally hate border overlaps on sliders ;/ >>>
00:21:863 (6) - no drum on last reverse, remove >>> there is drums in music
00:36:322 (3,4) - imo a 1/1 slider would be better rhythmically and visually for vocal emphasis [color=#FF0000>>> snare at 00:36:788 (4) - ][/color]
01:05:240 (1) - a little too short for a spinner in a hard imo, i'd probably do a 7/4 slider with a 3/4 repeat slider https://puu.sh/Ab0wm/bbab5d8cfa.png >>> spinner is long enough for hard diff
01:14:102 (6) - no drum on last repeat, delete >>> there is drums in music

thanks

kwk

572 posts

Joined May 2010

kwk 2018-04-27T22:49:00+00:00

~

00:56:961 (6,7) - 01:04:423 (6,7) - could space these out more imo, kinda impactless atm
01:06:172 (1,3,1) - i think finding a different sample/upping the soft-finishes volume would be good. atm its like ur finishes have less feedback than your claps lol
01:19:232 (5,6) - would reduce spacing here so emphasis stays on 01:19:232 (5) - or ctrl-g rhythm
01:26:695 (5,6) - ^ 01:08:038 (2,3) - ^

~

moph

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Joined January 2013

Topic Starter

moph 2018-04-28T04:52:45+00:00

kwk wrote:
~

00:56:961 (6,7) - 01:04:423 (6,7) - could space these out more imo, kinda impactless atm done
01:06:172 (1,3,1) - i think finding a different sample/upping the soft-finishes volume would be good. atm its like ur finishes have less feedback than your claps lol done
01:19:232 (5,6) - would reduce spacing here so emphasis stays on 01:19:232 (5) - or ctrl-g rhythm kinda like the emphasis on the slider as well, matches the change in vocals + its circle -> slider so easier to hit. Will however even out the spacing so its at least equal.
01:26:695 (5,6) - ^ 01:08:038 (2,3) - ^

~

Asaiga

848 posts

Joined July 2013

Asaiga 2018-04-30T16:38:30+00:00

top diff kwk asked

00:50:314 (1,1) - these could have more related in shape. also balancing the visual distance between slider head and tail
01:10:603 (9,10) - I think this could use ctrl+g for better flow

very clean map i'm envious of your style :<

moph

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Joined January 2013

Topic Starter

moph 2018-04-30T21:26:05+00:00

Asaiga wrote:
top diff kwk asked

00:50:314 (1,1) - these could have more related in shape. also balancing the visual distance between slider head and tail going to keep the shapes but yeah balanced out the visual distance
01:10:603 (9,10) - I think this could use ctrl+g for better flow sure

very clean map i'm envious of your style :<

thank you Asaiga!!

TheKingHenry

1,665 posts

Joined October 2014

TheKingHenry 2018-05-04T08:05:50+00:00

Heyo quick check from my queue~

General

Add files for soft-hitnormals? Same with some drum hitsound stuff since this set seems to be using those too.

Rizen's Hard

01:07:105 (1,2) - fix stack
01:08:388 (5,6,3) - looks unnecessarily messy
01:14:568 (1,2) - why the difference to 01:07:105 (1,2) - (same with 01:22:031 (1,2) - ; the first patterning idea for this was cool and was in some form used on the others too so why discard it)

Ambient's Insane

00:09:997 (1,2,3,4,1) - shape and spacings seem fucked up?
00:57:777 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1) - feels bad to play, would be better if you'd give little spacing to the slider->circle ones too so it's not forcing movement stop everytime before the larger transition (which feels cranky as is)

Extra

00:21:745 (4,1) - quite huge jump, which feels even more questionable when compared to how the top diff emphasises this (like, surely it has intense pattern of its own, but this huge emphasis on the middle beat doesn't really exist so why here?
00:22:212 (4,1) - make spacing equal with the rest of the stream (you can see by moving the following SV changing green that it's not quite the same if visuals don't seem clear enough)
00:36:089 (2,3) - looks cool, but should have more distance to the previous than following, otherwise it's pretty damn hard to see whether it's 1/4 from the object before or to the following object (like basically how 00:36:905 (2) - is the other way then lol)
00:46:933 (2,4) - fix stack
01:05:240 (1,2,3) - smoothen these distances out? Not like 01:05:706 (3) - is that strong for this kind of pattern unlike 01:06:172 (1) - which then is pretty strong sound and place

Extreme

00:33:523 (2) - this should probably be NCd instead of current (as you seem to have done with the prebeated vocal stuff so that circled are NCd but slider'd are NCd on the downbeat)

Mostly really cool looking set! well not that there was much to say anywhere
You have proper metadata source anywhere? Already with quick look I think テーゼ reads "teeze" instead of "teize" and it seems like borrowed word anyways which should be typed out like in the original language? Dunno if "thesis" as in english or maybe "these" as in thesis in german (like the typing out would about read) uh oh so maybe check out with someone capable ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Call me back when done with stuff

moph

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Joined January 2013

Topic Starter

moph 2018-05-04T10:10:36+00:00

TheKingHenry wrote:
Heyo quick check from my queue~
General
Add files for soft-hitnormals? Same with some drum hitsound stuff since this set seems to be using those too. added some drum hitsounds but I prefer to not have a hitnormal
Extra
00:21:745 (4,1) - quite huge jump, which feels even more questionable when compared to how the top diff emphasises this (like, surely it has intense pattern of its own, but this huge emphasis on the middle beat doesn't really exist so why here? no clue, changed pattern so its way less spacing
00:22:212 (4,1) - make spacing equal with the rest of the stream (you can see by moving the following SV changing green that it's not quite the same if visuals don't seem clear enough) yep changed with previous pattern
00:36:089 (2,3) - looks cool, but should have more distance to the previous than following, otherwise it's pretty damn hard to see whether it's 1/4 from the object before or to the following object (like basically how 00:36:905 (2) - is the other way then lol) oops, made both rhythm the same
00:46:933 (2,4) - fix stack done
01:05:240 (1,2,3) - smoothen these distances out? Not like 01:05:706 (3) - is that strong for this kind of pattern unlike 01:06:172 (1) - which then is pretty strong sound and place true, stacked onto the slider after instead
Extreme
00:33:523 (2) - this should probably be NCd instead of current (as you seem to have done with the prebeated vocal stuff so that circled are NCd but slider'd are NCd on the downbeat) yep done
Mostly really cool looking set! well not that there was much to say anywhere
You have proper metadata source anywhere? Already with quick look I think テーゼ reads "teeze" instead of "teize" and it seems like borrowed word anyways which should be typed out like in the original language? Dunno if "thesis" as in english or maybe "these" as in thesis in german (like the typing out would about read) uh oh so maybe check out with someone capable ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Call me back when done with stuff

Thank you!!
I got the metadata from here https://www.discogs.com/Shiroh-Sagisu-Neon-Genesis-Evangelion-II/release/2481839
will get the romanisation checked out

Ambient

579 posts

Joined August 2013

Ambient 2018-05-05T09:20:42+00:00

TheKingHenry wrote:
Ambient's Insane
00:09:997 (1,2,3,4,1) - shape and spacings seem fucked up? - oh ahahha woops, fixed.
00:57:777 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1) - feels bad to play, would be better if you'd give little spacing to the slider->circle ones too so it's not forcing movement stop everytime before the larger transition (which feels cranky as is) - fair enough, should be better now.

thanks for the mod!

moph

1,147 posts

Joined January 2013

Topic Starter

moph 2018-05-05T12:32:53+00:00

fixing for riz

TheKingHenry wrote:
Rizen's Hard
01:07:105 (1,2) - fix stack done
01:08:388 (5,6,3) - looks unnecessarily messy made stack better
01:14:568 (1,2) - why the difference to 01:07:105 (1,2) - (same with 01:22:031 (1,2) - ; the first patterning idea for this was cool and was in some form used on the others too so why discard it) changed the first one mentioned but keeping the second one as is, it still resembles the blanket and rotation theme imo

kwk

572 posts

Joined May 2010

kwk 2018-05-05T13:18:35+00:00

http://puu.sh/AgvHW/7e83627840.png meta
am i doing this right

Foxy Grandpa

715 posts

Joined January 2015

Foxy Grandpa 2018-05-05T19:40:47+00:00

mega nut

Lanturn

osu! Alumni

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Joined March 2012

Lanturn 2018-05-06T05:29:35+00:00

Almost. Yoko Takahashi prefers Given Family it seems. You may also use any of the romanized titles below as long as it matches the unicode one. Also, Teeze is borrowed from the German These so we use this instead of Thesis.

- Unicode Title: 残酷な天使のテーゼ<TV.Size Version>
- or: 残酷な天使のテーゼ（TV.Size Version）
- or: 残酷な天使のテーゼ
- Romanised Title: Zankoku na Tenshi no These <TV.Size Version>
- or: Zankoku na Tenshi no These (TV.Size Version)
- or: Zankoku na Tenshi no These
- or: A Cruel Angel's Thesis <TV.Size Version>
- or: A Cruel Angel's Thesis (TV.Size Version)
- or: A Cruel Angel's Thesis
- Unicode Artist: 高橋洋子
- Romanised Artist: Yoko Takahashi
- Source: 新世紀エヴァンゲリオン

- References:
+ http://www.starchild.co.jp/special/evan ... nline.html (Website TV Ver)
+ https://lanturn.s-ul.eu/d0gJ1P2K (Album TV Ver)
+ https://lanturn.s-ul.eu/rJt07R0K (Official English title)
+ http://nbcuni-music.com/takahashi/

Joe Castle

802 posts

Joined September 2014

Joe Castle 2018-05-06T05:32:36+00:00

Yeet.

TheKingHenry

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Joined October 2014

TheKingHenry 2018-05-07T07:32:34+00:00

Get in the robot Shinji

moph

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Joined January 2013

Topic Starter

moph 2018-05-07T08:36:48+00:00

thanks guys!

Monstrata

Elite Mapper: Aspirant

4,642 posts

Joined May 2013

Monstrata 2018-05-07T09:18:10+00:00

Nice to see another alternator style mapset for this song!

Kuron-kun

Kuron-kun 2018-05-13T17:56:51+00:00

Hi there, moph~

I have some concerns about the AR usage in lower diffs, mainly Hard and Insane. Your mapset isn't using a low AR concept or anything like that and even highest diff is using something above 9 to make it more readable for players, and because of that, I can't see much reasoning in using AR8 for Insane and AR7 for Hard, considering this is using a lot of 1/4 rhythms and visually looks really clustered at some points.

Some examples in Hard:
01:07:922 (3,4,5,6,1,2,3,4), 01:15:034 (2,3,4,5,6,1,2,3,4) and 00:15:333 (2,3,4,5,6,1,2,3,4,5) - lots of overlaps and snap changes (3/4 → 1/2 → 1/4 doubles), which is really complicated to new players, specially with the low AR.

Insane can easily be changed to AR8.5~8.8 and Hard to AR8.

Ambient

579 posts

Joined August 2013

Ambient 2018-05-13T22:36:52+00:00

Lmao

moph

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Joined January 2013

Topic Starter

moph 2018-05-13T23:06:03+00:00

I personally don't feel that an increase in ar is necessary.
In hard the spacing does a good enough job in indicating the rhythm. Additionally I really don't think its that dense, the stacks and 1/4 rhythms are all consistent and is rather predictable as they repeat a lot.
Insane I'm more indifferent about ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

leaving it to the QAT

Kuron-kun

Kuron-kun 2018-05-13T23:17:46+00:00

Not a big issue, just something to comment about and wondering if you wanted to fix it...
It's fine

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Juiceys wrote:

Juiceys wrote:

Neoskylove wrote:

Neoskylove wrote:

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Rizen's Hard

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Extra

Revialink wrote:

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timemon wrote:

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Ambrew wrote:

Ambrew wrote:

kwk wrote:

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[[Pika]] wrote:

[[Pika]] wrote:

[[Pika]] wrote:

kwk wrote:

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