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Bulletproof's Mafia [TOWN WIN] - Crossfire!

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Wojjan

DeathxShinigami wrote:

To me it seems more likely that the doc had a good idea of who the mafia and or SK was going to hit so he protected LS.

No other ideas though.
I'm prety sure that was the whole point of no lynching.
So anyone wanna swoop in and do the math for me because right now I'm a little short on time. I'm not hit btw.
KRZY
Yeah do claim if you were hit please.
LadySuburu
Vote: Rantai
Rantai
Oh ok.

I guess a random vote is as good as any at this stage.

I'll tell you now I am a bulletproof (unshot).
LadySuburu

Rantai wrote:

Oh ok.

I guess a random vote is as good as any at this stage.

I'll tell you now I am a bulletproof (unshot).
A vote with minor reasoning, as opposed to a random vote.

You were the only one who hadn't posted yet this day.
Rantai
Fair enough, I won't dispute it.

I had nothing to say without repeating everyone else.
pieguyn
So Wojjan, Rantai, KRZY, and DxS all posted without claiming hit. That means that the doctor made a successful protect or one of the mafia or SK did not kill anyone.

One of them is definitely the mafia or SK. There is a chance that LS is the mafia or SK, but I'll disregard that for now. Thus, our odds are 1/2 for a random lynch, and another 1/2 during the night. The odds of neither of the mafia or SK dying over today and next night are 1/4.

Even if LS is mafia or SK, our odds for losing are only 3/4*1/2 = 3/8. Thus, our odds of winning on a random lynch over today and tonight are better than losing. The only thing is that if we do hit the 1/4-3/8 chance of losing, what position will we be in? We'll lose 1 townie (1-1-3) and at worst we'll be 1-1-2 next day, with probably two bulletproof townies (and we might still at be 1-1-3, which is still winnable and similar to LyLo in standard mafia).

With no lynch, we forfeit a chance to hit a mafia, and a lynch is relatively save IMO, so I suggest that we perform a random lynch among Wojjan, Rantai, KRZY, and DxS. (You all can add me in there and remove yourself when deciding your vote if you want, but I know I'm not mafia or SK :P) What does everyone else think?
DeathxShinigami
With what pieguy just said it does sound like doc has a successful protection.

Though I'm not buying pieguy's so called plan and he seems rather reassuring he's mafia or SK now with what he stated.
pieguyn
Can you come up with something better than a 5/8-3/4 chance of a mafia or SK dying? If you can, please share it =w=
LadySuburu

pieguy1372 wrote:

I suggest that we perform a random lynch among Wojjan, Rantai, KRZY, and DxS. (You all can add me in there and remove yourself when deciding your vote if you want, but I know I'm not mafia or SK :P) What does everyone else think?
I suggest that we perform a lynch. Preferably NOT random, since that doesn't really help.

I'm still leaning Rantai for not posting at all this day until called out. Pieguy just a tad for that wording.
Rantai
Guess I'll get off my lazy ass and do the math. My head still hurts from that physiology assignment I was writing

There is a huge amount of (possibly) accurate math.

SPOILER
Assuming LS is an exposed townie, that no one else has lost their BP, that the doctor protects LS and the killers do not no kill;

These are the possible combinations;

SK shot - Mafia shot

Mafia --- SK
Doc ----- Doc
BP1 ----- BP1
BP2 ----- BP2

Day 2

No lynch

----------------------

Maf+SK
Maf+BP1
Maf+BP2
Maf+doc
Doc+SK
BP1+doc
BP2+doc
Doc+doc
Doc+BP2
Doc+BP1
BP1+SK
BP2+SK
BP1+BP1
BP2+BP2
BP2+BP1
BP1+BP2

--------------

Pretty straightforward really, 16 possible outcomes, 32 possible actions:

There are;

7/16 purely negative outcomes (Doc dies for no dead scum)
2/16 mixed bags (1 scum for 1 town)
1/16 purely good outcomes (this is the win for town)
4/16 favourable outcomes (1 scum for 1 BP)
2/16 for 'neutral' outcomes (Each BP take a hit each)

Other possibilities but you can easily discern them from the above chart.

Mislynch

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If we mislynch B1 (or BP2, just one of them):

Maf+SK
Maf+BP1
Maf+BP2
Maf+doc
Doc+SK
BP1+doc
BP2+doc
Doc+doc
Doc+BP2
Doc+BP1
BP1+SK
BP2+SK
BP1+BP1
BP2+BP2
BP2+BP1
BP1+BP2

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9 possibilities, 18 actions.

4/9 purely negative outcomes
2/9 mixed bag
1/9 win
2/9 favourable

Again more there, I made the chart for visual convinience.

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Worst case scenarios

-------------

No lynch. Doc down, 1 vest gone.

2 town
SK
Maf
1 BP

If we mislynch again: BP - then possible shots;

SK -- Maf
T1 -- T1
T2 -- T2

SK+Maf
SK+T1
SK+T2
T1+Maf
T1+T1
T1+T2
T2+Maf
T2+T1
T2+T2

-------------

9 outcomes, 18 possibilities

1/9 win
2/9 both townies die (game over)
2/9 that 1 town dies, no scum die (town loss unless no lynch is done)
4/9 1 scum, 1 town down (game over)

With a T mislynch

1/9 win
2/9 1 scum, 1 town
4/9 1 town, no scum die
2/9 1 scum dies (enter lylo)

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Mislynch of BP, doc down, 1 vest down

2 town
SK
Maf

Assume town mislynched;

SK -- Maf
T -- T

SK+Maf
SK+T
T+Maf
T+T

1/4 win
3/4 loss

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Assuming scum lynches

For simplicity I'll assume mafia dies. Also going by 'most likely' cases.

Day 2

SK
2 BP
1 town (immune)
1 Doc

1/4 chance of doc dying
2/4 of losing a vest
3/4 chance of no one dying

Day 3:

Assume BP is hit - 1/5 chance of killing SK

If mislynch the last BP;

1/3 chance of doc dying
1/3 town dying
1/3 no one dying

Day 4:

- If townie dies - Ly-lo - 1/3 win
- If doc dies - ly-lo - 1/3 win

*No one dying*

SK
2 Town
1 Doc

1/4 chance of SK lynch
--> Doc mislynch (game over)
--> Town mislynch (2/4)

50-50 chance to lose or go into ly-lo.

I will assume we don't mislynch the doc Day 2.

Looking at that no lynch is completely out of the question.

Best case is we lynch mafia then SK (2/7 then 1/5 chance = 2/35 chance). After that if I go by 'most likely outcome' we'd basically have a 1/4 chance of winning if we lynch one scum today.

However in the mislynch worst case scenario we also have an expected 1/4 chance to win however we also have the small chance that the scum will kill each other.

I'm actually thinking lynching me would be our best course of action.

If I have made any mistakes or oversights please post them.
Rantai
Oh yeah if the doc is mislynched we're basically screwed I think (might do the math for it too but right now I am too lazy)
Wojjan
actually if the doctor can selfprotect he can pretty much claim and Wifom it up in this Wifom Wifom
Wojjan
this is if we vote him, I'm not asking anyone to claim stante pede.
Rantai
Well it seems we are running out of time and I haven't found a problem with my previous posts (if the doctor can self protect... I think it's similar numbers)

That said I'll go ahead with the bulletproof lynch unless someone can think of something better.

Vote: Rantai
Wojjan
fuck no not this wifom shit

Vote: rantai
Rantai
I'm too simple minded for wifom :D
Wojjan
sure you are
Rantai
You'll believe me soon enough.
pieguyn
Well, there's no point in hammering yet since no one else has any votes...

I'm not sure why we're voting Rantai specifically though. He posted that huge thing earlier, so it seems like he's town, but I'm not sure at the moment. IMO, either he's town trying to keep people from voting the doctor, or a mafia who wants to appear town, but this is WIFOM.
DeathxShinigami
Vote: Rantai

He willingly offered himself as the test lynch for today. So I need no other reason to vote for anyone else.
pieguyn
FoS: DxS, just a gut feeling but that post just seems wrong...
Topic Starter
NoHitter
There was no info whatsoever. No one knew what to do.
That was until Rantai volunteered to be lynched, lowering the number of eliminated players.
Rantai stood up and made a dash for the glass windows on the second floor.

As Rantai was nearing the windows, multiple gunshots were heard. A bullet hit in the chest!
Rantai seemed unaffected though, and still jumped through the glass.
Rantai - Town One-Shot Bulletproof - Lynched Day 2

IT IS NOW NIGHT 2.
ACTIONS MUST BE SENT IN 24 HOURS.
Topic Starter
NoHitter
As everyone was heading back to the first floor to plan out things, everyone realized that pieguy1372 wasn't with them.
As everyone rushed down the stairs, they saw pieguy1372, dead on the floor with multiple bullet wounds.
He was killed just as everyone was busy looking at Rantai.

What was worse was that a search of pieguy's bag revealed medical supplies and a first aid kid. He was a doctor!
pieguy1372 - Town Doctor - Killed N2

IT IS NOW DAY 3. DEADLINE IS IN 72 HOURS.
WITH 4 ALIVE, IT TAKES 3 TO LYNCH.
Wojjan
Well rantai sure sucks for lynching himself

not hit.
DeathxShinigami
Not hit.

Suggest we lynch KRZY. If he isn't the SK or mafia then we already know who they are seeing as LS is already confirmed town.
LadySuburu
FoS: DxS

The only possible way for town to win right now is by luck.

Scenario 1: Me / Pie were targetted last night.

SK / Mafia are alive, plus 1 unused bulletproof. The only feasable way for us to win is to lynch me, and hope the mafia and SK hit each other. If they don't both shoot someone, they risk losing. If we keep me alive, I'll just be shot tonight anyway.


Scanario 2: Me / Other bulletproof were targetted last night.

There's basically no way to win. Might as well still lynch me and hope the SK and mafia target each other, but at that point whichever of them targetted the bulletproof might target him again. Of course they still risk being shot by the other SK/Mafia, so with some nice WIFOM we may have just a chance.
Wojjan
yeah this setup is pretty mafsided.

Vote: Suburu because it makes about as much sense as we're gonna get.

gl town :(
KRZY
Yeah, the only mathematically possible way for Town to win now is to lynch LS and hope the mafia/SK shoot each other. 1/4 chance, still very possible.

DxS/Wojjan, good luck tonight.

vote: LS
Wojjan

KRZY wrote:

Yeah, the only mathematically possible way for Town to win now is to lynch LS and hope the mafia/SK shoot each other. 1/4 chance, still very possible.

DxS/Wojjan, good luck tonight.

vote: LS
lol go you townie town person
LadySuburu
Vote: LS

See you guys in "Insert place of choice here."
Topic Starter
NoHitter
LadySuburu offered to leave and have the rest of the people inside think for themselves.
The lights flickered off and one. Where LadySuburu was once standing on, lay a vest.
You all then notice that the front door was opened.

LadySuburu was outside and proceeded to lock the entrance with a padlock.
There were three people left.
LadySuburu - Town One-Shot Bulletproof - Lynched D3

IT IS NOW NIGHT 3.
ACTIONS MUST BE SENT IN 24 HOURS.
Topic Starter
NoHitter
The lights flickered off for one last time.
Wojjan quickly crouched on the floor.
DeathxShinigami and KRZY both aimed their guns at each other and shot.

The lights flickered on. The two robbers were dead, and the last remaining security guard was alive.
KRZY - Serial Killer - Killed N3
DeathxShinigami - Mafia Goon - Killed N3

After that incident, rhe bank management made sure that all security guards knew each other even before they went to work.
Wojjan - Town One-Shot Bulletproof - Survived

TOWN HAS WON!
Topic Starter
NoHitter
Roles
1. Rantai - Town One-Shot Bulletproof
2. KRZY - Serial Killer
3. DeathxShinigami - Mafia Goon
4. LadySuburu - Town One-Shot Bulletproof
5. pieguy1372 - Town Doctor
6. Lybydose - Town One-Shot Bulletproof
7. Wojjan - Town One-Shot Bulletproof

Actions
Night 0:
pieguy1372 protects Rantai
KRZY shoots Lybydose
DeathxShinigami shoots LadySuburu

Night 1:
pieguy1372 protects LadySuburu
KRZY shoots Lybydose
DeathxShinigami shoots LadySuburu

Day 2:
Lynched Rantai

Night 2:
pieguy1372 protects LadySuburu
KRZY shoots pieguy1372
DeathxShinigami shoots pieguy1372

Day 3:
Lynched LadySuburu

Night 3:
KRZY shoots DeathxShinigami
DeathxShinigami shoots KRZY
bmin11
gj
pieguyn
hahahaha

I knew this would happen :P GJ everyone :)
Rantai
Wow that played out exactly how the worst case scenario should.

25% chance to win and we got it \:D/
Topic Starter
NoHitter
If Mafia and SK had both shot the last Bulletproof, the Bulletproof would die and they would share the win.
Raging Bull
Lol....I was hoping something like this would eventually happen to this game. Although I was expecting it on N1 instead.
Lybydose
so yeah you guys pretty much went for the worst strategy ever.

I still don't understand the point of voting no-lynch on D1
KRZY

NoHItter wrote:

If Mafia and SK had both shot the last Bulletproof, the Bulletproof would die and they would share the win.
Was about to suggest DxS this and then backstab him but the idea hit me after you called N3.
LadySuburu
Well that was fun. Lynching myself was the best move I've ever made. I even lived through it!
Wojjan
And again I am one of the sole survivors of NoHItter's games.
Topic Starter
NoHitter

Wojjan wrote:

And again I am one of the sole survivors of NoHItter's games.
Act more townie, and you'll die sooner ;)
Wojjan
Actually I kept trying to act scummy so the maf or SK would think I'm the SK or maf.
LadySuburu

Wojjan wrote:

Actually I kept trying to act scummy so the maf or SK would think I'm the SK or maf.
I actually thought you were town this game.
Rantai

LadySuburu wrote:

I actually thought you were town this game.
This, to be honest.
bmin11
You suck at being suspicious, Wojjan
Lybydose

Rantai wrote:

LadySuburu wrote:

I actually thought you were town this game.
This, to be honest.
x3
Wojjan
well then why didn't anyone kill me >:(
LadySuburu

Wojjan wrote:

well then why didn't anyone kill me >:(
Because I was town.
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