Difficulty names must indicate the difficulty of the map, and if it's a guest mapper, show that mapper's name. This is to help players find out what kind of difficulty it is without having to start the map first, since the star rating isn't always accurate. Things like [Insane], [Expert], [Pro] or [Level 5] are acceptable difficulty names, [Tree] isn't.Because a rule like this seems necessary. If difficulty names aren't supposed to indicate the map's difficulty, what are they there for? To give the mapper creative space? I'm by no means against creative space, but this doesn't belong into the difficulty names. Post all the creativity you have in your map posts, for what I care.
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New Rule: Difficulty names must name the difficulty
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Only if I can use Lunatic, Extra, and Valhalla (ok maybe not Valhalla)
The worst ones are the ones named after the characters in the anime the song comes from. Usually not even in any particular order.
I think as long as the names go in some kind of logical order, they are usually fine. Actually naming the difficulty is best of course!
I think as long as the names go in some kind of logical order, they are usually fine. Actually naming the difficulty is best of course!
I don't like mappers using their own name as difficulty too >_> What kind of a diff name is a "Raging Bull" No it's not insane!
Natteke's a trollin'!
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Who can tell indeed Fun Fact: Nogard was the easiest before i asked BD to increase diff settings by +1Shiirn wrote:
Oh whatever shall we do, who can tell what the hardest difficulty is!
But i do agree with this, regardless of "who can tell which one's the hardest" diff names must really make sense, and Shiirn isnt a difficulty, i'd take even as much as Level 1, Level 2, Level 3. Light, Medium, Heavy. Easy, Normal, Hard. Tiny, Small, Average, Big, Giant.
Anything that can be measured "X is more than Y" as long as it leaves enough room for some creativity while not going overboard with names that dont make sense.
What about difficulty names such as:
Castle, Sauna, Secret Lab, Heaven
It tells the difficulty, but you would need some sort of knowledge of a particular source in order to get it.
Edit: @ Shirn
http://osu.ppy.sh/s/33393
Star rating lied, but Difficulty names didn't.
Castle, Sauna, Secret Lab, Heaven
It tells the difficulty, but you would need some sort of knowledge of a particular source in order to get it.
Edit: @ Shirn
http://osu.ppy.sh/s/33393
Star rating lied, but Difficulty names didn't.
So no, as i said something that can be measured would sufficeNoHItter wrote:
What about difficulty names such as:
Castle, Sauna, Secret Lab, Heaven
It tells the difficulty, but you would need some sort of knowledge of a particular source in order to get it.
But they are stages in a game in increasing order of difficulty.
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On a sidenote, what about requiring the mention of the name of the guest mapper in the guest diff?
I've seen lots of maps that do this. It makes it look like the mapper did it himself/herself.
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On a sidenote, what about requiring the mention of the name of the guest mapper in the guest diff?
I've seen lots of maps that do this. It makes it look like the mapper did it himself/herself.
The proposed rule requires this, actually.NoHItter wrote:
On a sidenote, what about requiring the mention of the name of the guest mapper in the guest diff?
I've seen lots of maps that do this. It makes it look like the mapper did it himself/herself.
Except only-insane diffs in an approval map shouldn't respect this rule because that is very silly.Sakura Hana wrote:
Who can tell indeed Fun Fact: Nogard was the easiest before i asked BD to increase diff settings by +1
([Hakeru's Insane], then [Mercurius' even harder], then [BD's even more diffcult than that]?)
I was more like bringing the fact that you can't tell the real order of the difficulties sometimes with star rating, your diff names are fine because all are Expert/Insane
Topic Starter
Insane, Extreme, Impossible. :3Blue Dragon wrote:
Except only-insane diffs in an approval map shouldn't respect this rule because that is very silly.Sakura Hana wrote:
Who can tell indeed Fun Fact: Nogard was the easiest before i asked BD to increase diff settings by +1
([Hakeru's Insane], then [Mercurius' even harder], then [BD's even more diffcult than that]?)
Impossible, Really Impossible, Really Really Impossible.
Yeah, having all-insane approval mapsets follow this rule would be needless.
Yeah, having all-insane approval mapsets follow this rule would be needless.
http://osu.ppy.sh/s/29807
FYI.
Not having a clear picture of the difficulty from just one map is somewhat annoying when trying to join a multiplayer game.
FYI.
Not having a clear picture of the difficulty from just one map is somewhat annoying when trying to join a multiplayer game.
I do agree with this, i would like to add that possibly any 6 minute or higher map needs to be labeled as Marathon (or we could discuss the length for that) and needs a Marathon tag, because i feel we're missing quite a bit from here http://osu.ppy.sh/p/beatmaplist&s=4&r=6 ... 6&g=0&la=0 like for instance the top 2 here http://osu.ppy.sh/p/beatmaplist&s=4&r=6 ... 6&g=0&la=0
No more Blue, red and Gold Truths, then v_v
Hello! What players are you talking about? I'm a player and I have never experienced any troubles finding which difficulty is the hardest one / easiest one / whatever.Larto wrote:
This is to help players find out what kind of difficulty it is without having to start the map first, since the star rating isn't always accurate.
There are actually situations where difficulty naming is helpful in finding out which difficulty is hardest, see these:
A. Tanaka, M. Matsuda - Ooparts
Relient K - I'm Getting Nuttin' For Christmas
Lou Bega - Mambo No.5
Also, haze isn't a good example because both [Shiirn] and [Natteke] are marked as 5 stars in star rating, and [Shiirn] gives more points, so it's still sort of confusing which one is harder.
A. Tanaka, M. Matsuda - Ooparts
Relient K - I'm Getting Nuttin' For Christmas
Lou Bega - Mambo No.5
Also, haze isn't a good example because both [Shiirn] and [Natteke] are marked as 5 stars in star rating, and [Shiirn] gives more points, so it's still sort of confusing which one is harder.
You should consider that there might be the case when there are 2 diffs of a similar difficulty level, but with different ways of being difficult (such as jump vs. stream). Naming one of them "Hard" and the other "Insane" implies that one actually is harder, but the personal impression of a map's difficulty often differs from player to player, so there should be a different way of naming them.
When there are difficulties of different difficulty level it usually is very obvious which one is the harder one, and if it's not we can handle this on a case to case basis.
And no, 2 diffs of a similar difficulty level are not a problem.
When there are difficulties of different difficulty level it usually is very obvious which one is the harder one, and if it's not we can handle this on a case to case basis.
And no, 2 diffs of a similar difficulty level are not a problem.
Objectively:
Nope. Only a few ranked maps have problem like this. Also if you're not the several "first players" come to that map, you can always tell the difficulty by checking the scoreboard. I don't think a rule is needed when 99.9% of the time things are already done. Why not let mappers have some fun with it then. At least, guestline that?
Subjectively:
No, I still need to use Rin for my highest diff so no.
Nope. Only a few ranked maps have problem like this. Also if you're not the several "first players" come to that map, you can always tell the difficulty by checking the scoreboard. I don't think a rule is needed when 99.9% of the time things are already done. Why not let mappers have some fun with it then. At least, guestline that?
Subjectively:
No, I still need to use Rin for my highest diff so no.
Precisely. But even then, although Shiirn gives more points, Natteke was actually technically harder.SapphireGhost wrote:
Also, haze isn't a good example because both [Shiirn] and [Natteke] are marked as 5 stars in star rating, and [Shiirn] gives more points, so it's still sort of confusing which one is harder.
I think sometimes mapper would like to express everything in mapping to make players really into it.
On that basis, They tend to use diff name to be unique in each mapset most. Sometimes, anime song can have anime character to be diff name. I think it really is ok for me if they still don't overuse it and be reasonable. Moreover, they perhaps use diff name to be guest name so that we players can know in the first time, who is creator for that map. In case players who are impressed with that map style, they will remember in next time when they see this name again(or try to avoid if....lolz)
Want you to reconsider this again. :3
On that basis, They tend to use diff name to be unique in each mapset most. Sometimes, anime song can have anime character to be diff name. I think it really is ok for me if they still don't overuse it and be reasonable. Moreover, they perhaps use diff name to be guest name so that we players can know in the first time, who is creator for that map. In case players who are impressed with that map style, they will remember in next time when they see this name again(or try to avoid if....lolz)
Want you to reconsider this again. :3
What would happen to difficult names like the ones I use for my DKC maps, which do make sense ? T_T
I think this should be modified to cases when the diff name doesn't make sense *at all*.
I think this should be modified to cases when the diff name doesn't make sense *at all*.
Odaril wrote:
What would happen to difficult names like the ones I use for my DKC maps, which do make sense ? T_T
I think this should be modified to cases when the diff name doesn't make sense *at all*.
Even though I feel it's ridiculous.Sakura Hana wrote:
So no, as i said something that can be measured would sufficeNoHItter wrote:
What about difficulty names such as:
Castle, Sauna, Secret Lab, Heaven
It tells the difficulty, but you would need some sort of knowledge of a particular source in order to get it.
If you can't tell what is the hardest diff, you know, you can go to the listing, and if the mapper is intelligent enough, he will list what the diff names mean. If not, punch the mapper until he does.
This rule is so much yes. Arbitrary difficulty names are pointless, and I'm sure a mapper can come up with something with a logical order for whatever theme they're going for. Also, guest mappers who are only credited in the description always make me rage :<
That should be okay since it's consistent through all of your other maps and is in most cases pretty obviously the insane of the set.NatsumeRin wrote:
No, I still need to use Rin for my highest diff so no
I agree with the part that says that guest mapper's names MUST appear in their diff name.
Custom difficulty names should make sense though and there should be some kind of order possible on them.
"a b c d" would be okay, for instance. Or "1 2 3 4" "bottom low high highest" or something.
It should be okay if they make sense when related to a game, a novel, or something like that. They would just require a bit of knowledge to understand though. "vulpix ninetails" would be okay, for instance.
(in this case my idea for DKC maps would make sense, as the levels' names can clearly be sorted out from "easiest" to "hardest")
However, things like Shiirn's mapset, or "rabat23746's ultra love" or "SUPRA LOLI" or whatever that doesn't make sense wouldn't.
Custom difficulty names should make sense though and there should be some kind of order possible on them.
"a b c d" would be okay, for instance. Or "1 2 3 4" "bottom low high highest" or something.
It should be okay if they make sense when related to a game, a novel, or something like that. They would just require a bit of knowledge to understand though. "vulpix ninetails" would be okay, for instance.
(in this case my idea for DKC maps would make sense, as the levels' names can clearly be sorted out from "easiest" to "hardest")
However, things like Shiirn's mapset, or "rabat23746's ultra love" or "SUPRA LOLI" or whatever that doesn't make sense wouldn't.
How is this useful to someone who is unfamiliar with the series the song is from?
I don't think we can have a rule about this.
I don't think we can have a rule about this.
I don't like this rule.
It would affect more that just random names that can't be guessed, it would also ban diffs named "Collab" and stuff of the sort.
And "Hard Collab" or "Insane Collab" just looks stupid.
I've never had any problems with arbitrary diff names, it takes literally 30 seconds to check the scoreboards if you really must.
It would affect more that just random names that can't be guessed, it would also ban diffs named "Collab" and stuff of the sort.
And "Hard Collab" or "Insane Collab" just looks stupid.
I've never had any problems with arbitrary diff names, it takes literally 30 seconds to check the scoreboards if you really must.
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Actually I'm more of a fan of making this a guideline instead. True I really don't like mappers using their own name as their diff name, but it really isn't that hard to check.
A difficulty spread's naming convention shouldn't require special knowledge of any subject matter.
awp wrote:
A difficulty spread's naming convention shouldn't require special knowledge of any subject matter.
I disagree with that.
Lets say we have a Pokemon map.
IMO it should be fine having a Pokemon based difficulty naming system as it fits the theme.
Example: http://osu.ppy.sh/s/12622
So by that system, we're also banning Taiko difficulty names too since you need prior Taiko knowledge?
"What do Kantan, Futsuu, Muzukashi, and Oni mean?"
Lets say we have a Pokemon map.
IMO it should be fine having a Pokemon based difficulty naming system as it fits the theme.
Example: http://osu.ppy.sh/s/12622
So by that system, we're also banning Taiko difficulty names too since you need prior Taiko knowledge?
"What do Kantan, Futsuu, Muzukashi, and Oni mean?"
Topic Starter
I think a "Cyndaquil (Easy)" isn't too unaesthetic. You can keep your creativity, but at least in SOME way show that your difficulty is Easy, Normal, Hard or Insane.
How about...
How about...
Difficulty names must indicate the difficulty of the map, and if it's a guest mapper, show that mapper's name. This is to help players find out what kind of difficulty it is without having to start the map first, since the star rating isn't always accurate. Things like [Insane], [Expert], [Pro] or [Level 5] are acceptable difficulty names, [Tree] isn't. [Tree (Normal)], on the other hand, is acceptable.
well, they should represent However, a logical sequence or a tier list...
But, actually it's a nono, it should be a guideline, not a rule.
But, actually it's a nono, it should be a guideline, not a rule.
I still believe that as long as there is a logical order/indication of difficulty then it should be fine.
If it requires prior knowledge of something, it should be fine as long as the map's source/theme is similar with that.
On a sidenote, what about difficulty names based on the order of the lyrics of a song?
Edit: Also Larto, having a parenthesis followed by the difficulty description is unaesthetic >.>
If it requires prior knowledge of something, it should be fine as long as the map's source/theme is similar with that.
On a sidenote, what about difficulty names based on the order of the lyrics of a song?
Edit: Also Larto, having a parenthesis followed by the difficulty description is unaesthetic >.>
No. People have the right to be douches.
That won't stop you from suggesting they name their difficulties to more appropriate logical names. Usually if enough people agree there will be a fix.
This is so minor it's not worth discussion.
That won't stop you from suggesting they name their difficulties to more appropriate logical names. Usually if enough people agree there will be a fix.
This is so minor it's not worth discussion.
it really depends on the map. say is the source is beatmania or touhou, then names like hyper, another and lunatic would be acceptable since a lot of people know what they are. however i really don't see the point in (animecharacter's Easy, animecharacter's Normal etc)
The diff names should be easy to understand, maps like this are just silly.
I also agree with the earlier statement about Collab diff's. it should be include the difficulty in there somewhere like Insane(Collab). also i believe each collab section should be properly names so players can tell who's map what part. Most do it anyway, i think there are a couple that don't
The diff names should be easy to understand, maps like this are just silly.
I also agree with the earlier statement about Collab diff's. it should be include the difficulty in there somewhere like Insane(Collab). also i believe each collab section should be properly names so players can tell who's map what part. Most do it anyway, i think there are a couple that don't
I had a very well written post, but the add reply button does not add what you've already written as a reply, it goes to a different page.
Basically, it should either be a guideline or only be applied for maps where the star rating doesn't already rank them properly.
Basically, it should either be a guideline or only be applied for maps where the star rating doesn't already rank them properly.
This rule really isn't necessary...
It's almost always really obvious which diff is the hardest one. If it's not, just playing them both would be enough to figure it out, and looking at the scoreboard could also be another way to tell. The only way it's not obvious is if the hardest diff doesn't have the highest score and doesn't appear at the bottom of the list, which isn't frequent at all and doesn't need a rule that would apply to all cases.
It's almost always really obvious which diff is the hardest one. If it's not, just playing them both would be enough to figure it out, and looking at the scoreboard could also be another way to tell. The only way it's not obvious is if the hardest diff doesn't have the highest score and doesn't appear at the bottom of the list, which isn't frequent at all and doesn't need a rule that would apply to all cases.
This.ziin wrote:
No. People have the right to be douches.
That won't stop you from suggesting they name their difficulties to more appropriate logical names. Usually if enough people agree there will be a fix.
This is so minor it's not worth discussion.
That box is for quick reply, button on the right.Drakari wrote:
I had a very well written post, but the add reply button does not add what you've already written as a reply, it goes to a different page.
The idea of custom difficulty names was to follow other difficulty convention names, like [Advanced], [Expert] or [Maniac]. Most of the time it isn't a problem, though there are some maps who use stupid difficulty names that don't resemble any difficulty naming convention... for example, calling the difficulties [Maria], [Joel] and [Daniela] is stupid and confusing because I have no way to know what difficulty is which.
It shouldn't be an obscure difficulty name either, so everyone understands what difficulty it is; for example, let's say a beatmap is of X anime and the strongest character is Y, so the mapper names it [Y]. Those who don't know the anime are left out, wondering what the name means, which is a bit unfair.
Anyone agree?
There was nothing of this written anywhere, so I thought of adding it to the guidelines so there's less confusion.
It shouldn't be an obscure difficulty name either, so everyone understands what difficulty it is; for example, let's say a beatmap is of X anime and the strongest character is Y, so the mapper names it [Y]. Those who don't know the anime are left out, wondering what the name means, which is a bit unfair.
Anyone agree?
There was nothing of this written anywhere, so I thought of adding it to the guidelines so there's less confusion.
For my maps, if I do decide to have a custom name I always add what diff it is.
Ex: all my Toradora maps are like [Ami Insane], [Taiga Hard] etc.
Maybe if the name is ambiguous then what type of diff should be added. So [X Insane]
Ex: all my Toradora maps are like [Ami Insane], [Taiga Hard] etc.
Maybe if the name is ambiguous then what type of diff should be added. So [X Insane]
Kinda agree.
I usually give my Insane Guest or Collab diffs some wordplay name like:
-Haku No Okami -> http://osu.ppy.sh/s/28257
-Hakkun;Gate -> http://osu.ppy.sh/s/30876
Or using Personas names ordered by level here -> http://osu.ppy.sh/s/28856
By the way, you don't need a guideline to make that, as modders will take the work of making the mapper changing it if it has no sense ( e.g Maria, Joel and Daniela in a song where they don't even appear in the lyrics... )
I usually give my Insane Guest or Collab diffs some wordplay name like:
-Haku No Okami -> http://osu.ppy.sh/s/28257
-Hakkun;Gate -> http://osu.ppy.sh/s/30876
Or using Personas names ordered by level here -> http://osu.ppy.sh/s/28856
By the way, you don't need a guideline to make that, as modders will take the work of making the mapper changing it if it has no sense ( e.g Maria, Joel and Daniela in a song where they don't even appear in the lyrics... )
Is not confusing, it's obvious which is which. No matter the name.
more than the name itself, he's talking about using names that doesn't center much in the song/anime/contest of the map