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Luis Fonsi - Despacito ft. Daddy Yankee [CatchTheBeat|Taiko|

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Doormat
2,049 posts
Joined September 2013
Doormat
hi yes

Easy is fine

[Gero/ezek/MkGuh]
  1. 01:00:441 (1) - NC doesn't really seem necessary here
  2. 03:12:915 - honestly i think it might be better if your manual break started at 03:14:264 - instead
  3. 03:28:421 (3,1) - really close to each other; the slider borders are touching and doesn't really look that great :s
[Naotoshi/Frostwich]
  1. 00:14:262 (5,1) - 00:16:453 (1,2) - 01:26:062 (1,2) - 01:28:084 (1,2) - etc. just stack these, that shift in movement plays really awkward coming after gaps like that
  2. 01:46:455 (1,2) - honestly it's probably better to delete the (1) and start on the downbeat instead, since it's way more emphasized
  3. 01:48:309 (1,3) - swap NCs here
  4. 01:49:994 (1) - NC isn't really necessary if you do the above
  5. 01:54:376 (1,2) - 01:59:433 (1,3) - 02:02:129 (1,2) - 02:04:826 (1,2) - swap NCs
  6. 02:00:781 (1) - 02:18:309 (1) - NC isn't necessary here
  7. okay actually just redo your entire comboing structure to like every measure or something because your comboing structure is incredibly inconsistent with itself. at a low difficulty like this, it's imperative to not confuse beginners/casual players like what you're doing here.
  8. 03:05:163 (6) - slider is too long. why the hell did you skip out on the beat at 03:05:500 - ?
  9. 03:12:916 (1) - doesn't really need NC tbh; also move the break so that it manually starts at 03:14:264 -
  10. 03:40:893 (1) - WHY DOES THE MAP END HERE
  11. i've honestly seen beginners make better maps than this.
[Natsu/Euny]
  1. 01:16:792 (2) - 02:44:433 (2) - i don't think a 1/2 slider is the best choice here, since the downbeat is also pretty heavily emphasized. why not try two circles instead?
  2. 01:24:376 (3) - the V-shape is kind of asymmetrical s: right side is longer than the left side.
  3. 02:18:983 - to 02:28:421 - should really consider hitsounding this section with maybe drum whistles on every red tick. this entire section isn't hitsounded and it feels really off.
Insane is fine

[SnowNiNo_]
  1. 02:18:983 - to 02:28:421 - should really consider hitsounding this section with maybe drum whistles on every red tick. this entire section isn't hitsounded and it feels really off.
  2. 03:41:230 - to end: slider velocity kind of feels really fast here, it feels really out of place with the intensity of the song itself. any possible chance you could lower this down to maybe .5x SV?
[Gangsta]
  1. 02:06:006 (3,4) - personally i think you should swap the notes here so that note emphasis is sticking with vocals like you've been doing for this entire section
i'm assuming taiko situation has been addressed and i can qualify? make sure nao and frostwich address the issues with the Advanced.
SnowNiNo_
Elite Mapper: Aspirant
2,106 posts
Joined April 2013
SnowNiNo_
used x0.75 instead since x0.5 would kinda compressed the structure
hitsound fixed btw

thx for mod
http://puu.sh/xOU50/be71d30247.rar
Natsu
8,074 posts
Joined September 2012
Natsu
I disagree with the first point, since the way he spells the word despacito works better in the way I mapped it.
only objects, because that sb is so big and the forum don't let me post the full diff lol
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Nao Tomori
Nomination Assessment Team
3,089 posts
Joined December 2014
Nao Tomori
will fix my diff within 8 hours
ZekeyHache
3,316 posts
Joined October 2009
ZekeyHache

Doormat wrote:

hi yes

Easy is fine

[Gero/ezek/MkGuh]
  1. 01:00:441 (1) - NC doesn't really seem necessary here k, removed
  2. 03:12:915 - honestly i think it might be better if your manual break started at 03:14:264 - instead I'll leave this up to Gero
  3. 03:28:421 (3,1) - really close to each other; the slider borders are touching and doesn't really look that great :s This is from one of Gero's parts
thanks!
here's the update (only hitobects part cuz the whole osu code exceeds the character limit)
update
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321,21,170669,2,0,B|380:17|380:17|440:55,1,115,10|10,1:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
474,138,171343,1,0,1:0:0:0:
136,360,172691,6,0,P|164:366|192:360,1,57.5,14|2,1:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
228,323,173028,2,0,P|256:317|284:323,1,57.5,2|10,3:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
320,360,173365,2,0,P|303:306|320:252,1,115,10|8,1:0|3:0,0:0:0:0:
356,215,173871,2,0,P|373:161|356:107,1,115,2|2,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
320,71,174377,2,0,L|405:60,2,86.25,2|0|0,3:0|0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
285,36,175051,1,10,3:0:0:0:
192,71,175388,6,0,L|77:56,1,115,6|2,1:0|3:0,0:0:0:0:
41,93,175893,1,8,0:0:0:0:
4,129,176062,2,0,L|118:143,1,115,8|8,1:0|3:0,0:0:0:0:
191,216,176736,2,0,B|215:233|220:264|220:264|215:295|191:312,1,115,2|2,1:0|3:0,0:0:0:0:
139,340,177242,2,0,P|191:319|243:340,1,115,8|2,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
295,369,177747,2,0,P|323:375|351:369,1,57.5,8|2,3:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
402,340,178085,6,0,B|415:284|415:284|402:228,1,115,4|0,1:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
440,192,178590,2,0,B|386:192|386:192|320:192|296:129,1,172.5,8|10,0:0|3:0,0:0:0:0:
256,36,179433,1,2,1:0:0:0:
215,129,179770,1,2,3:0:0:0:
215,129,179939,2,0,B|166:129|166:129|158:133|158:133|150:137|150:137|101:137,1,115,10|0,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
65,100,180444,1,10,3:0:0:0:
16,192,180781,6,0,P|2:247|16:302,1,115,4|0,1:0|3:0,0:0:0:0:
104,247,181455,2,0,B|131:238|131:238|158:247,1,57.5,10|2,1:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
195,283,181792,2,0,B|222:292|222:292|249:283,1,57.5,2|2,3:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
286,247,182129,2,0,B|313:238|313:238|340:247,1,57.5,2|2,1:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
377,283,182466,2,0,B|404:292|404:292|431:283,1,57.5,10|10,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
468,247,182803,2,0,B|484:192|484:192|468:137,1,115,2|10,1:0|3:0,0:0:0:0:
391,67,183477,6,0,P|327:78|278:56,1,115,6|2,1:0|3:0,0:0:0:0:
240,28,183983,1,10,0:0:0:0:
196,55,184152,2,0,L|185:170,1,115,10|10,1:0|3:0,0:0:0:0:
136,261,184826,2,0,P|100:257|75:260,1,57.5,0|2,1:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
28,272,185163,2,0,B|15:232|15:232|25:182,2,86.25,2|0|2,3:0|0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
33,323,185837,1,10,3:0:0:0:
129,285,186174,6,0,P|182:271|241:289,1,115,6|2,1:0|3:0,0:0:0:0:
314,357,186848,2,0,P|368:373|423:359,1,115,10|10,1:0|3:0,0:0:0:0:
371,269,187522,2,0,B|353:217|353:217|375:158,1,115,2|2,1:0|3:0,0:0:0:0:
405,119,188028,1,10,0:0:0:0:
431,74,188197,2,0,P|471:75|519:98,2,86.25,10|0|0,1:0|0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
385,49,188871,6,0,P|305:68|217:38,1,172.5,6|10,1:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
172,23,189545,2,0,P|123:19|60:41,1,115,8|10,1:0|3:0,0:0:0:0:
25,137,190219,2,0,B|41:179|41:179|60:195|60:195|75:236,1,115,2|2,1:0|3:0,0:0:0:0:
98,283,190724,1,10,0:0:0:0:
135,319,190893,2,0,P|184:341|242:325,1,115,8|8,1:0|3:0,0:0:0:0:
250,277,191398,6,0,B|269:229|314:236|319:238|325:239|370:246|389:199,1,172.5,2|2,0:0|3:0,0:0:0:0:
440,107,192242,2,0,P|403:49|354:30,1,115,10|10,1:0|3:0,0:0:0:0:
61,73,204376,5,10,3:0:0:0:
61,73,205051,6,0,B|89:73|89:73|137:73|156:119,1,115,2|10,1:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
229,192,205725,2,0,B|256:201|256:201|283:192,1,57.5,2|0,1:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
321,156,206062,2,0,B|348:147|348:147|375:156,1,57.5,10|8,3:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
413,192,206399,6,0,P|427:247|413:302,1,115,2|2,1:0|1:0,0:0:0:0:
321,338,207073,2,0,L|284:293,1,57.5,2|0,1:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
240,320,207410,2,0,L|203:275,1,57.5,2|8,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
159,302,207747,6,0,B|143:247|143:247|159:192,1,115,2|10,1:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
122,154,208253,1,2,0:0:0:0:
84,116,208421,2,0,B|100:61|100:61|84:6,1,115,2|10,1:0|3:0,0:0:0:0:
176,61,209095,6,0,B|192:116,1,57.5,2|2,1:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
230,154,209433,2,0,B|205:236,2,86.25,10|0|0,0:0|0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
268,117,210107,1,2,0:0:0:0:
344,43,210444,6,0,B|369:79|418:75|418:75|414:125|451:150,1,172.5,2|2,1:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
484,192,211118,1,2,1:0:0:0:
410,265,211455,1,10,3:0:0:0:
337,191,211792,5,2,1:0:0:0:
264,265,212129,1,2,1:0:0:0:
264,265,212298,2,0,P|209:280|154:265,1,115,2|0,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
128,220,212803,2,0,P|122:192|128:164,1,57.5,2|10,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
154,118,213140,2,0,P|209:103|264:118,1,115,2|10,1:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
337,191,213815,6,0,B|364:200|364:200|391:191,2,57.5,2|0|2,1:0|0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
264,265,214489,2,0,B|237:274|237:274|210:265,2,57.5,2|0|8,0:0|0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
337,339,215163,2,0,B|379:353|379:353|385:360|385:360|388:352|388:352|394:358|394:358|437:373,1,115,2|10,1:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
464,328,215669,1,2,0:0:0:0:
444,280,215837,6,0,B|376:168|464:64,1,230,2|2,1:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
368,24,216848,1,2,0:0:0:0:
280,80,217185,2,0,B|220:64|148:96,1,115,2|0,3:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
72,132,217860,1,2,3:0:0:0:
128,220,218197,1,2,0:0:0:0:
96,320,218534,6,0,B|156:344|212:296,1,115,0|0,3:0|3:0,0:0:0:0:
256,292,219039,1,0,0:0:0:0:
308,302,219208,2,0,B|360:344|416:320,1,115,2|0,0:0|3:0,0:0:0:0:
484,240,219882,2,0,L|480:52,1,172.5,2|0,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
440,36,220556,2,0,B|376:20|312:60,1,115,2|2,0:0|3:0,0:0:0:0:
256,192,221230,12,2,225275,0:0:0:0:
Azinlen
328 posts
Joined May 2016
Azinlen
Gero, ezek & MkGuh's Normal
01:25:051 (1,2,3,4,5) - It's okay about you use blue ticks in Normal?
Wait, 85 BPM
Gero
4,438 posts
Joined March 2012
Gero
I've applied everything. Also for the manual break I'd rather prefer to end it here 03:14:601 - 'cause that's the last word he said in this part, which give a great feeling to the player in my opinion.

Pasito a pasito, suave suavecito, vamos posteando el link poquito a poquito (Monstrata, copy the whole code).
Starrodkirby86
osu! Alumni
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Here since the beginning
Starrodkirby86
[Updates]
  1. Extended padding of text sprites to not crop commas.
  2. Sync to any additional new combos in light of changed difficulties.
https://puu.sh/xPAvg/79c470c5b4.zip
ZekeyHache
3,316 posts
Joined October 2009
ZekeyHache
Seems the commas are no longer cropped, but in _0aa.png the upside down exclamation mark is still cropped :c
Starrodkirby86
osu! Alumni
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Here since the beginning
Starrodkirby86
Oh, blimey... What an oversight.

[Updates]
  1. Not only increased padding, but also trimmed transparency, saving very very minor space. Take that, power users!
http://puu.sh/xPEFu/9bcb957a4e.zip
Doormat
2,049 posts
Joined September 2013
Doormat
unlike most people that have had the displeasure of listening to the song repeatedly since the beginning of the year, i didn't discover this song until literally last month through a calculator cover.

(we fixed some unsnapped lines and balanced the hp/od settings for the insane. since we have ctb and taiko nominations it should be okay for me to qualify with the standard nomination)
ZekeyHache
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ZekeyHache
👀
Pachiru
osu! Alumni
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Joined June 2013
Pachiru

Doormat wrote:

unlike most people that have had the displeasure of listening to the song repeatedly since the beginning of the year, i didn't discover this song until literally last month through a calculator cover.
wtf calculator cover????

gg monstrata and gders :)
Furball
98 posts
Joined May 2016
Furball
When does The Hype Begin?
jas
541 posts
Joined August 2016
jas
Gratz I guess :)
Shunao
1,906 posts
Joined February 2016
Shunao
oh no
but gratz anyway~
Surono
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Joined November 2013
Surono
lol its happening
worst fl player
worst fl player

ShogunMoon wrote:

oh no
but gratz anyway~
fieryrage
osu! Champion / Elite Nominator II
1,402 posts
Joined November 2013
fieryrage
can we all just appreciate this is the first time kirby has ranked at least something in literally 5 years
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Ascendance
Elite Mapper
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Joined July 2013
Ascendance

fieryrage wrote:

can we all just appreciate this is the first time kirby has ranked at least something in literally 5 years
he made a sb on granat 6 months ago, so no lol
Setomi
153 posts
Joined December 2012
Setomi
Hi, saw this in qualified and have some thoughts and opinions regarding the two osu!catch specifics so decided to give them a mod.

Starting off I know both Ascendance and Spectator are revered mappers but that doesn't mean they shouldn't be quality checked like anyone else. I know there have been multiple of cases in both one mode sets and hybrid sets where few mods were required for rank, and that's fine as long as the BN in question sees the map as of good enough quality.

Now in this case it's a map which has not been up for longer than a month and been a complete set for an even shorter amount of time, and it goes without saying that the faster you bubble > qualify a set the more certain you have to be that it is of that great quality. Now this is a three mode hybrid set which means you have to be proficient enough to assess the quality of three modes. Normally a BN doesn't have to be this proficient because the community has discussed through the set and together come to the conclusion that it's ready for a run in the qualify section.

This time the osu!catch specifics received a total of three mods, two for Ascendance's diff and one for Spectator's, one being a Rain (Insane) and the other one being an Overdose (Extra). I could not find a lot of mods for Taiko but I haven't looked at them nor am I skilled enough to assess their quality as ranked maps but what Taiko had that osu!catch did not was discussion. No known public discussion was made regarding the osu!catch specifics other than from the BN who bubbled and the two respective mappers.

So, looking through both diffs it's easy to see that both osu!catch specifics could be polished more. Hitsounds in one of the difficulties is what sounds to be copy-pasted with little to no consistency throughout the song and playing this one time with hitsounds on is enough to notice it. Feels strange how this is not even considered before moving to qualify since even the ranking criteria states that hitsounds is one of the main elements for variation in mapping, which personally to me sounds like something of value.

So my point with this rant is why this happens. Most specific sets for osu!catch gets multiple mods before ranking and I don't see why this is not the case here. These two difficulties should be polished the same way as any other difficulty, and if it's decided to be bubbled without a lot of community input, you have to be damn sure you know what's up. All of the standard difficulties gets multiple mods, I know standard has more modders but osu!catch doesn't have so few that at least one or two mods extra couldn't be added. Something like hitsounding in this case where it's very obvious shouldn't slip through.

This issue should have its own discussion elsewhere but I just want to shed some light onto this because of the importance of that at least the few osu!catch specifics that gets out is of at least polished standard. Now onto mod.

Mod Ascendance's Rain
[Ascendance’s Rain]

00:12:575 (2) – remove reverse
00:13:587 (2) – remove

00:25:216 (1,2,3,4) – Decide on one type of movement here since music require nor support change in movement. 00:26:564 (3,4) – This movement is fine for both.

00:29:935 (5) – Both slider head & tail hits on low decibel sounds. If you’re trying to emphasize the FX it’s very strange to have such a wide spacing and changing direction with the slider, nothing really supports such movement. Hitsounds does not really support this as well for obv reasons. I could also make the argument that a low decibel sound like that shouldn’t that similar movement to previous notes which are actually ‘high decibel’. Two alternatives are to adjust both hitsounds and movement to fit the audio level of the FX or change previous circle (4) into a longer slider.

00:31:283 (3) – You could make the argument for this being simplified rhythm, but I digress.
This part is probably the most controversial part because this is the only diff in the set that uses this choice of rhythm, both standard and ctb. This uses apart from the other difficulties puts focus on adding movement to very low decibel sounds. Quick examples are: 00:31:283 (3) - 00:33:980 (2) - 00:35:328 (4). The reason this both sounds and plays strange is because the use of two rhythms. Let me break this down.

00:30:609 (1,2) – These two hits on drum respectively synth. When starting a new segment like this you create the expectation that moving forward these two sounds will be played. Then (3) hits on a white tick, too late for a drum and too early for a vocal. One could already conclude that something is wrong when second drum is missed and the first vocal comes in the form of a slider body. Slider body ends (3) on a synth and vocal which is then followed up by two vocals in the form off a 1/4 circle and a white tick slider. The synth is now a passive sound and we’re introduced to two active vocals, both in terms of timeline and placement on the grid. A new assessment can be made which is that vocals will be focused next. Moving on, the white tick slider 00:31:957 (1) – which ends on a red tick and is not followed up with a 1/4 vocal continues into a new white tick slider which is followed up with a 1/4 circle 00:33:137 (3). Pattern breaks once again and vocal loses some of its emphasize. Next up is a vocal that is represented with a white tick slider 00:33:306 (1) – but this time ends on a passive synth with no vocal attached to the end and vocal at 00:33:811 is left non-emphasized. General pattern and expectation disappears and a new ‘rhythm’ is introduced which are the 1/2 sliders that start on an empty beat 00:33:980 (2,3,4).

To conclude this/tl;dr it’s clearly shown that there is lacking a consistent rhythm. A lack of consistent rhythm makes it uncomfortable to play because expectations is changed constantly. This of course alters how the map plays and together with copy and pasted hitsounding it makes for a messy section.

00:47:295 – misses a 1/4 that has been consistently placed throughout the current section it’s in. This 1/4 is being left out to emphasize upcoming vocals 00:47:463 (2,3) – which is fine. Expectation is made that vocals are going to be the focused but upcoming sliders 00:48:137 (4,5,1) – are underemphasizing the vocals and miss leaves key vocal sounds out. This is pretty much the same issue as previous point and something that is important to note is that this is a rain; it does not have to be this oversimplified and standard difficulties such as easy, normal, hard uses more advanced rhythm in multiple places than this difficulty which is a rain (approximately an Insane).

Kiai times and general high tempo sections are done way better than the slow parts. The slow parts that are after kiai’s and high tempos sections which I have not mentioned ‘suffers’ from the same thing which is inconsistent rhythm.

So, what I’m trying to mediate if you don’t get it already is that a lot of rhythm choices are questionable and are very inconsistent especially in slower parts. I would highly suggest a revisit and create a more structured rhythm which will both satisfy more people musically but also in gameplay since that too will feel more structured and thought-out. And you know I won’t accept my style argument if it’s not very well backed up. Also, for god’s sake adjust the hitsounds so it fits your rhythm, I don’t mean to be an ass but I can’t see how copy-pasted hitsounds that are not modified are getting qualified to begin with.

Mod Spec's Overdose
[Spec's Overdose]
In the introduction part I think you could leave a few more 1/4 gaps like you did at the start, some examples are: 00:12:745 (3) – and I personally think 00:15:441 (3,4,5) – these could be bit shorter in the timeline since they are on low decibel sounds and it would fit more like an introduction

00:46:284 (4) – If you would like to use minimal vertical movement to emphasize these two vocals I’d suggest making 00:45:441 (6) – horizontal. Because a lot of sliders and movement are vertical in general in this section it gets hard to emphasize using those vertical sliders

00:48:390 (2,3) – These are not snapped quite right to vocals and I would move them left to their respective 1/6 spot, 00:48:362 – for (2) and 00:48:587 – for (3)

00:49:318 (6,1) – These two feel a bit too wide in movement if you compare it to previous parts. Also, 00:49:486 (1) – starts on an sss sound which is not very loud or impactful so having such a big HDash plays a bit strange

00:58:924 (1,2) – These two feel a bit underemphasized in comparison to 00:56:228 (1,2) – for example

01:00:273 (1) – Since vocals have been the focus in this section it feels weird to just cut out a vocal here having a slider body going over a vocal. I’d recommend doing an easy re-adjust in the time line like this (pointer is on (1)'s original position). This way you can slow it down without missing the vocal

01:19:994 (4) – This starts on a silent sound so I think the movement is a bit too big here and I’d recommend you do something like you did here 01:06:174 (1,2) – where (2) is not so far away from (1)

The part between 01:20:331 and 01:22:354 feels a bit strange because you’re trying to emphasize both the drums and vocals, and you also use a whole new style here when not much has changed in the music so it comes out of nowhere. I’d recommend just doing a bit more structured, if you want to change emphasize from vocal to drums then really put the focus on the drums and not 50/50.

01:31:792 (6,7,8,9) – Considering the overall difficulty in the kiai I think you could easily get away with making this more difficult because both your style and music support it here!

03:40:556 (3,4) – These two feel a bit weird since the expectation is on the vocals but are not snapped to those. I’d recommend you give those vocals a bit of the same feeling as you did in the part between 00:41:396 and 00:49:486. It’s good because vocals will be followed and will feel nice gameplay-wise to have a repeated pattern.

Concluding I think there are some things that need to change before qualifying and I think this shows it could have used a bit more polishing. Going forward I think both difficculties main thought is good and some few adjustments are needed. Also, if the argument is going to be made about hitsounding is hard, takes a long time or w/e the ranking criteria doesn't require advanced hitsounding.
Ascendance
Elite Mapper
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Joined July 2013
Ascendance
as someone who gets ridiculed for making maps that are too clean and safe this mod feels like an interesting one. Will reply soon but I can't expect much
Stefan
Global Moderator
10,393 posts
Joined January 2011
Stefan
At least the difficulty names aren't completely retarded anymore. congrats
Kagetsu
796 posts
Joined March 2015
Kagetsu

Stefan wrote:

At least the difficulty names aren't completely retarded anymore. congrats
gratz!!
eldnl
Former osu!catch Champion: 2013
2,930 posts
Joined March 2010
eldnl
Spec's Overdose

00:48:137 - I think you can use the 1/6 ticks to follow the voice better, it felt really odd while playing.
Excellent difficulty overall <3
Monstrata
Elite Mapper: Aspirant
4,642 posts
Joined May 2013
Topic Starter
Monstrata
Number of mods and time spent in pending say absolutely nothing about the maps quality. My diffs received over 10 mods and I fixed about four objects total. And yet my diffs are still better quality that 98% of the maps produced today. Don't mod something because it lacks mods, mod if it lacks quality. But quality is not lacking in these ctb difficulties at all.
Mun
468 posts
Joined July 2015
Mun
wait, haven't we legit nuked maps for inappropriate lyrics before? Why is a song that is basically a sex scene conveyed in Spanish poetry being qualified?
Natsu
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Joined September 2012
Natsu

Mun wrote:

wait, haven't we legit nuked maps for inappropriate lyrics before? Why is a song that is basically a sex scene conveyed in Spanish poetry being qualified?
because it doesn't use direct inappropriate lyrics, it's full of words that can be taken as a double sense lyrics, but nothing directly a kid maybe can't notice what's going on.
Monstrata
Elite Mapper: Aspirant
4,642 posts
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Topic Starter
Monstrata
No thanks. But good try!
Benita
604 posts
Joined February 2014
Benita

Monstrata wrote:

Number of mods and time spent in pending say absolutely nothing about the maps quality. My diffs received over 10 mods and I fixed about four objects total. And yet my diffs are still better quality that 98% of the maps produced today. Don't mod something because it lacks mods, mod if it lacks quality. But quality is not lacking in these ctb difficulties at all.
Yes, that's true. Not everything needs endless pages of mods to reach the requirement for quality but a few more mods on the catch diffs wouldn't hurt because quality is lacking a bit, especially considering the wrong snaps in the overdose which both Setomi and eldnl here both pointed out. Also the hitsounds were mentioned, they do sound a bit off at times because it was copied from the std diffs (?) and the catch diffs don't use the same timeline (?). Either way, it's not much effort to adjust the hitsounds a bit to fit the catch the beat timeline better.

But my main concerns are the snaps in spec's diff because that's objectively unrankable and requires a DQ
  1. 00:45:778 (2,3,4) - This should be snapped to 1/6, not 1/8
  2. 00:48:138 (1,2,3) - Same here
  3. 00:49:065 (5) - Should actually be snapped to 1/12 00:49:092 -
  4. Additionally, I think since you've been focusing a lot on the vocals, this slider 00:49:486 (1) - could start 00:49:598 - here instead to better fit with that
Monstrata
Elite Mapper: Aspirant
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Topic Starter
Monstrata
Hmm. Might just have to drop the ctb difficulties then, if there are quality concerns.

The vocals in the locations you mentioned aren't accurate to begin with. They have no "correct" snap which is why we use rhythm simplification. Using random 1/12 snaps is not rhythmically predictable anyways. You can refer to Skylish's Chorogons map for why weird snaps are discouraged.
Ascendance
Elite Mapper
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Joined July 2013
Ascendance
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a personal thanks to the ctb bns who come in during qualified instead of when we ask for mods before hand, this is why no one likes hybrid sets with ctb on it, just saying

will take a look at the mod later. hopefully it doesn't end in the diffs being removed. in my honest opinion, there is absolutely nothing wrong with them.
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Monstrata
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Making my position more clear.

The snapping for the vocals is not meant to be rhythmic in nature. We use a rhythm that best simplifies it and is easiest to predict based on how we structure our patterns and visual spacing. If a QAT disagrees with the snapping they can discuss it with me or DQ. There is nothing more to discuss about snapping.
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Setomi wrote:

Mod Spec's Overdose
[Spec's Overdose]
In the introduction part I think you could leave a few more 1/4 gaps like you did at the start, some examples are: 00:12:745 (3) – and I personally think 00:15:441 (3,4,5) – these could be bit shorter in the timeline since they are on low decibel sounds and it would fit more like an introduction
I disagree since in current way they're fitting more with the vocal

00:46:284 (4) – If you would like to use minimal vertical movement to emphasize these two vocals I’d suggest making 00:45:441 (6) – horizontal. Because a lot of sliders and movement are vertical in general in this section it gets hard to emphasize using those vertical sliders this is acceptable even if it's a minor suggestion. I'll consider fixing it when the mapset goes to pending due to severe issues

00:48:390 (2,3) – These are not snapped quite right to vocals and I would move them left to their respective 1/6 spot, 00:48:362 – for (2) and 00:48:587 – for (3) I'm not sure about this one(I mean I think both 1/6 and 1/8 can work here, for the reason Monstrata stated in the thread) but I got what you mean. I'll try to ask and gather others' opinions as well

00:49:318 (6,1) – These two feel a bit too wide in movement if you compare it to previous parts. Also, 00:49:486 (1) – starts on an sss sound which is not very loud or impactful so having such a big HDash plays a bit strange I think they're still fine

00:58:924 (1,2) – These two feel a bit underemphasized in comparison to 00:56:228 (1,2) – for example I think the HDash for 00:59:262 (2,3) - is enough here

01:00:273 (1) – Since vocals have been the focus in this section it feels weird to just cut out a vocal here having a slider body going over a vocal. I’d recommend doing an easy re-adjust in the time line like this (pointer is on (1)'s original position). This way you can slow it down without missing the vocal The part is mainly following the melody so I think it's fine as it is

01:19:994 (4) – This starts on a silent sound so I think the movement is a bit too big here and I’d recommend you do something like you did here 01:06:174 (1,2) – where (2) is not so far away from (1) okay

The part between 01:20:331 and 01:22:354 feels a bit strange because you’re trying to emphasize both the drums and vocals, and you also use a whole new style here when not much has changed in the music so it comes out of nowhere. I’d recommend just doing a bit more structured, if you want to change emphasize from vocal to drums then really put the focus on the drums and not 50/50. I think they're fine as they are :(

01:31:792 (6,7,8,9) – Considering the overall difficulty in the kiai I think you could easily get away with making this more difficult because both your style and music support it here! I think it's hard enough lol

03:40:556 (3,4) – These two feel a bit weird since the expectation is on the vocals but are not snapped to those. I’d recommend you give those vocals a bit of the same feeling as you did in the part between 00:41:396 and 00:49:486. It’s good because vocals will be followed and will feel nice gameplay-wise to have a repeated pattern. fixed

Concluding I think there are some things that need to change before qualifying and I think this shows it could have used a bit more polishing. Going forward I think both difficculties main thought is good and some few adjustments are needed. Also, if the argument is going to be made about hitsounding is hard, takes a long time or w/e the ranking criteria doesn't require advanced hitsounding.

eldnl wrote:

Spec's Overdose

00:48:137 - I think you can use the 1/6 ticks to follow the voice better, it felt really odd while playing. same as above
Excellent difficulty overall <3 thanks <3

Benny- wrote:

Monstrata wrote:

Number of mods and time spent in pending say absolutely nothing about the maps quality. My diffs received over 10 mods and I fixed about four objects total. And yet my diffs are still better quality that 98% of the maps produced today. Don't mod something because it lacks mods, mod if it lacks quality. But quality is not lacking in these ctb difficulties at all.
Yes, that's true. Not everything needs endless pages of mods to reach the requirement for quality but a few more mods on the catch diffs wouldn't hurt because quality is lacking a bit, especially considering the wrong snaps in the overdose which both Setomi and eldnl here both pointed out. Also the hitsounds were mentioned, they do sound a bit off at times because it was copied from the std diffs (?) and the catch diffs don't use the same timeline (?). Either way, it's not much effort to adjust the hitsounds a bit to fit the catch the beat timeline better.

But my main concerns are the snaps in spec's diff because that's objectively unrankable and requires a DQ
  1. 00:45:778 (2,3,4) - This should be snapped to 1/6, not 1/8
  2. 00:48:138 (1,2,3) - Same here
  3. 00:49:065 (5) - Should actually be snapped to 1/12 00:49:092 - I'll keep the snapping things for now for the reason Monstrata stated on the thread, but if this is going to be disqualified I'm willing to fix them
  4. Additionally, I think since you've been focusing a lot on the vocals, this slider 00:49:486 (1) - could start 00:49:598 - here instead to better fit with that This is fine as it is supposed to follow the melody
Monstrata
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Because the issues on the ctb diffs are very minor, we will only make the changes if the snapping is considered unrankable. Otherwise we will keep. Thanks for the concerns, we'll let a QAT handle this complaint now.
Benita
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I already discussed the snaps with both mbomb and CXu so I'm not basing this off of nothing but sure, gain more opinions xd

Also ascendance, please don't use that card. I wasn't aware this even got bubbled, plus you never specifically asked me for a mod on this.
Monstrata
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We will just wait until a qualified staff member can comment on whether the snaps need to be fixed, or if they can remain as they are. Rhythm simplification is a thing we use all the time, here because its the most rhythmically predictable snap based off the snappings of other patterns where the vocals are not off. I tried running an mp3 edit through with pishifat but we weren't able to come up with an mp3 that realigned the vocals without throwing the instruments (which are correctly snapped) out of sync. Also snapping vocals sounds a lot worse than snapping drums cuz the edit becomes so blatant.

Anyways, everything that has been said has already been said. We know both sides of the argument. We are not waiting for someone to think up fancy new argument. We just want a verdict, hopefully from a QAT who knows what they are talking about.
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mandatory latino post.

Don't know why you picked that song but thanks for some variety, nice map and also nice SB Kirby o3o7

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Monstrata wrote:

And yet my diffs are still better quality that 98% of the maps produced today.
lul
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@monstrata: If stuff does end up getting DQed for the snapping, don't ditch ctb diffs. Just call me to look at them, if there is any quality issues, I'll fix them as promptly as possible. (Not saying there are any, I haven't looked at the map honestly, but it's not a worry).
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