MaridiuS wrote:

m4m stuff woah this is gonna contain some general stuff. I'll just go with thoughts one by one as I had by playing / watching this map in editor. Hopefully you don't mind my pseudo-philosophical wording or whatever.

Firstly, hitsounds. They're not present, but that's obviously in wip, however I want to make sure that you use more of soft sampleset, for example in this section 03:03:191 - . The sampleset for drums is very different from skin to skin, and for mine it's really obnoxious to hear them here. Soft samplesets are always soft. - ill try to add some

00:10:392 (1,2,3,4) - for such aspiring gimmicky and technical maps, this is fully generic. You're using same spacing on all of the notes, with 00:10:735 (3,4) - these two having obviously a higher pitch, and in the map are not emphasized at all. - i want jumps here (ranked version has literally nothing here, i wanna keep diffilcuty in the whole map to avoid boringness) and i dont see the reason to emphasise 3,4 more
00:13:135 (1,2,3,4) - here it's more emphasized, but I'd prefer if you let (1,2) have very little to no spacing from each other. It gives more room for contrast. - i dont want to have much contrast here, jumps are almost the same, just organised in simple and well designed pattern
00:19:820 (6) - and the piano part here, this one has a really loud pitch, yet given like 0 spacing. - just look at flow, everything goes "up", but on this sound you have to take your cursor "down" so its emphasised well enough
00:23:591 (6,7) - really odd placement there, they' really close to previous circles and its 1/1, it could easily be understood as 1/2, and even if it realized that its 1/1, It feels rather obnoxious for them to be here, just you know, you see circles close and you have to force yourself to wait. - firstly, it was tested many times by players from 30k to 1k rank, and no one misread that, secondly, map starts here so you can just "retry", thirdly, i think it just follows the music well and unless i find better way to do that, ill leave this pattern
00:29:420 - ended on a fairly noticeable piano. - i do not follow piano here, 00:28:734 - 00:29:077 - 00:29:249 - these 3 sounds are equal and i do emphasise them by skipping rest

00:40:563 (1,3) - notice their visual distance from each other, and then look at this 00:40:563 (1,5) - . one is closer the other is distanced. In order to make it tidy, make (1,5) have same visual distance as (1,3) do. If you don't understand what that is, take a look at pishifat video about aesthetics. - no, i dont wanna break my pattern here, if you didnt notice, (5) is here the strongest sound so its emphasised well now
00:43:820 (4,6) - more visual spacing errors, look how far they are, 00:43:991 (5,7) - these are at medium distance 00:43:477 (2,5) - while these are the closest. This is really jarring when you switch from hexagrid consistent spacing to random, unplanned visual distance. - its fine
00:44:677 (1) - suggest to make this symmetrical. - sure

01:03:877 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12) - Now this really buzzed my eyes. There's no system of placement for these triples. No neat rotation, no symmetry, no consistency, it's utter chaos, and doesn't feel good for my aesthetic sensors. Like it's a steady buildup, nothing too special, which suggests a clean and planned pattern should work much better, not random placement. https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/9177361 this is the simplest I could come up with. It's even more vexing when you see symmetry 01:07:991 (1,2,3,4) - between other objects. - yea, fixed similar way
01:10:734 (1,2,3,4) - this is a flawed way of grouping 4 objects, as they're all of a same sound group, same combo, placing the (4) over there feels out of place, and you should consider repatterning in order to group 4 objects together visualy. Like double symmetry, all in part of one rotation/movement, you know the stuff. - fixed
01:12:791 (5,6,7,8) - you should NC the first one, and change the placement of the pattern. Having it here overlapping with the previous one in unconsistent manner looks really odd. If you'd place on the left side, it'd feel more tidy, as more of the screen is being filled, without one side being heavily focused. Also for the love of god, please make 01:12:791 (5,7) - to be the same as 01:12:963 (6,8) - , not different rotation and spacing from two sliders. - i dont see the need for NC but fixed, slider shapes are fine
01:13:477 - also if you plan on reversing some of my arguments by saying "but I want chaos" then this is completely contradicting with the song going more intense, while this section of the buildup has obvious symmetry, no overlaps, and intuitive placement. - i want symmetry but not that much
01:21:706 (1,2) - starts with rotation, continues without rotation on same combo 01:22:391 (3,4) - resulting in poor grouping and uncanny visuals. - you got it wrong, there is a linear jumps between sliders, the first one is rotated a bit to keep flow from stream, but you can see sliderheads are just linear
01:32:677 (1,3,5,7) - it is important to have them all spaced from each other consistently. You can take this pattern 01:32:677 (1,2) - , copy paste it, rotate it by 20 degrees or 30 or w/e, place at will. Then copy paste the 4 circles, rotate by the amount you did previously, and place it on the second pattern, if you understand the instructions, you will see how miraculously you get tidy structure. - wtf? i did EXACTLY the same thing, whats wrong here? spacing is pixel perfect here

01:18:963 - feel free to increase spacing on every following new combo, because the pitch in the background is increasing, suggesting an increase of intensity. - i could do that, but im pretty bad at streams, so its better for overall map consistency to leave it like that, trust me + i feel like it represents the music well, you can see pattern here 04:28:906 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4) - its exactly what i was thinking of when i heard this section for the first time, ill leave as it is

01:24:706 - every one of this is being ignored 01:26:077 - when the apparent snare awes my mind completely. I'd really suggest making use of this rather than the hihat here 01:25:391 (6,6) - or whatever it is following, even if consistent it doesn't mean it is right. Same goes for the entire section. - i dont feel like its good, my way plays better
01:39:534 (1,2,3,4,5) - make use of the noticeable snares on blue ticks to make a 5stack. - i cant map every sound, the map would be ridiculously stupid if every sound would have a note
01:43:649 (1,2,3,4) - by ending all of these on blue ticks, you give a lot of space to the player, and make a lot less annoying sliderbreaks. - its fine

01:45:020 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4) - soft hitsounds please, and the spacing is too large since the background noise doesn't exist, meaning its without a rhythm, and should be mapped peacefully. Especially since in the section you use simpler spacings and patterns without streamjumps. - did soft hitsounds, but streamjumps are fine, music is waaaayyy different that previous, so it doesnt have to follow previous patterns

02:02:849 - okay so this is utter chaos. Not sure if you're taking inspiration from a l i e n, but being without a system of visuals or flow is not the way to go unless you really know what you're doing. You're mixing simple and complex slider shapes a lot, without any meaning to them, all on same sounds. The flow is completely unintuitive, and I felt really annoyed when I played this, without my eyes being filled by some blankets, by some rotation, by some consistency. There's just free placement and chaotically placed anchors. However, as negatively as I've described the section, you actually did a good job on making those random slidershapes not look bad on their own, it looks like they drew inspiration from moderns maps, mostly camellia, mappers like probox, lasse, nathan. But they don't hold any system to it, and I'm sorry but I can't help you anymore rather than make you think how can you make this be better. Make symmetry, make use of smaller collection of sliders, don't mix it up, plan it a bit. Do some blankets, rotation, and I'm pretty sure you know what is flow, and how to incorporate it too. - fixed one straight slider to more curvy one 02:03:106 (2,2) - , secondly, alien sucks and plz dont compare me to that shit, thirdly, yes i was inspired by modern style camellia mappers (its why i've mapped camellia song, bcs that kind of maps are masterpieces), but you didnt guessed well about the mappers, mostly byfar (and some rrtyui) slider styles, from probox i took only this 05:16:220 (1) - , lastly about flow - i did ask some mappers about this map when it was just made and first thing i've heard was that this section isnt agressive enough, so i did some changes to break flow sometimes and more agressive looking slider just to achieve that, and i think now its much better than well organised slider flowing to themselves perfectly.

02:41:249 - the kiai is not really anything spectacular for being a kiai in a camellia map. You use simply rhythms, and consistently, ending up being easier then most stuff before. You could easily make use of some 1/4 timing and making 1/4 jumps. For example https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/9177459 making use of the snare on an active click, and doing the interactive 1/4 movement often seen, and fun to play, which would be fitting more to the nature of the map with gimmicky fast sliders, tons of streams and 1/4 usage. - little 1/4 slider into larger 1/2 slider was my concept to map this song, i wont change that, it represents the music well and looks well too, ill consider removing kiai

02:45:963 (2,3) - 1/4 spacing and then 02:46:734 (1,2) - 1/2 spacing being lower, way too contradictive and easy to misread on both parts. - oh fck, what i've done, fixed

Yeah this will be mostly it, same general stuff could be applied to the second half too. I can see that you're closing in on figuring out the aesthetic concepts, hopefully this will help you plenty. Make sure to much more often rotation, it makes perfect patterns, and much easier then by human hand. - its good that map has only aesthetics problems, ill work on them!

06:22:734 (1) - gj looks really nice. -

https://osu.ppy.sh/s/669519 my map for m4m

-NeBu- wrote:

Infinity:

00:15:878 (1,2,3,4) - zachowaj ten sam pattern jak tu 00:13:135 (1,2,3,4) - (to samo zrobiłeś tu 00:07:649 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4) - ) - ok
00:42:963 - przerwa niezbyt tutaj pasuje, wsadz tu małego reverse-slidera. - nie pasuje pod rytm, a przerwa dobrze podkresla poprzednie dzwieki
00:45:706 - ^ (i reszte pauz pomiędzy też)
00:58:391 (1,2,3,4) - za bardzo oddalone są te kółka, łatwo stracić combo na sliderach. 00:55:649 (1,2,3,4) - tutaj praktycznie to samo, choc troche mniej. (nieprzyjemne przy okazji) - o to chodzi, narastajace tempo tak jak mozna zauwazyc na poczatkowych jumpach (coraz wieksze) 00:51:534 (1,2,3,4) - a np. 00:54:277 (1,2,3,4) -
01:01:134 (1) - zawiń troche bardziej ten slider, aby slider-end bardziej nakierowywał na 01:01:477 (2) - - nie ma takiej potrzeby
01:01:820 (4,5,6,7,8,9,10,1) - spaceing troche za duzy mi sie wydaje, zescaluj w dół na oko o 0,100x - nie ma takiej potrzeby, w tej mapie nie ma ani jednego glosniejszego momentu niz ten, musi byc spacing
01:22:391 (3,4) - a tutaj możesz np. wjechać ze streamem ze sliderów w 1/8 - nice idea, i nawet tak zrobilem, ale stwierdzilem ze rozwala to consistency mapki, bo ten part jest w wielu miejscach, i np. 01:44:677 (4) - nie wyobrazam sobie 1/8 sliderkow przed hard partem(01:45:020 (1,2,3,4,1) -), wiec zostaje jak jest
01:26:163 (3,4) - fajnie nakierowujesz sliderem na kolejne kółko, choć pomijasz miejscami to:
01:27:534 (3) - chociażby tutaj, 01:38:506 (3) - tutaj pasowałoby bardziej w górę moim zdaniem - przelecisz mapę, to coś pewnie znajdziesz. - nie koniecznie trzeba nakierowywać na kółko, wystarczy aby trzymało się flow
01:28:220 (7) - brzydkie trochę. - poprawilem lekko
01:39:534 (1,2,3,4) - niepotrzebny overlap - http://osu.ppy.sh/ss/9201647 nie wygląda ładniej? - sure
01:46:391 (1,1,2,3) - 5% volume na koncówkach sliderów - sure
01:49:649 (3) - ogarnij ten slider bez czerwonego punktu, ładniej sie wpasuje w kółko - nice, duzo lepiej teraz
02:00:106 (1,2,3) - 5% (mozesz uzywac tego czesciej, bardzo pasuje na tego typu sliderach konczących sie na niebieskich tickach) - zrobilem tak w calej tej sekcji
03:25:134 (1) - usuń te kółko i przedłuż slider - nie, slider nie moze sie konczyc na tak waznym soundzie white ticku
04:31:649 (3,4) - znów mozesz wjechać z slider streamem (02:39:191 (3,4) - tutaj w sumie zalezy od Ciebie, bo jest krótsza przerwa) - tak jak pisalem wczesniej, nie wszedzie to pasuje, a dzwieki sa te same wiec chce aby bylo jednakowo

Popracuj troche nad wyglądem sliderów (niektóre są okropne) + patternem streamów. powodzenia. - dzieki, postaram sie poprawic estetyke, po to glownie szukam modow

1. 01:22:049 (2,3,4) - you should add NC for these reverse since your stream's note count/combo on 01:18:963 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4) - is only 4
2. 01:53:249 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - the center of this stream should be 01:53:934 (1) - for piano's pitch change, not 01:53:849 (8) -
3. 01:56:249 (4) - just a suggestion tho why not this rhythm instead of covering those bass with all reverse? it can give more fun + challenge tbh
4. 02:00:106 (1,2,3) - you should keep the piano rhythm like how 01:57:363 (1,2,3) - was made, i know it's different intensity but it's awkward to switch the rhythm ;;
5. 02:11:591 (3) - kind of concerned about offscreen, consider to move it lower
6. 02:29:591 (1) - it's still 1/3 based rhythm, so slider should be ended on 02:29:820 -
7. 02:29:934 (1) - also its pretty sad to skip 02:30:049 - my friend
8. 02:34:391 (1,2) - the song is so calm, yet the spacing is so scary >.>
9. 02:38:849 (2,3,4) - 04:31:306 (2,3,4) - nc, same explanation with my 1st bullet
10. 02:40:049 - 02:40:220 - 02:40:391 - 02:40:563 - 02:40:734 - it will be look cool if you play with SV changes, like starting to 0.8 > 1 > 1.2 > 1.4 > 1.6 for each kicks, (and maybe increase 02:40:906 (1) - too)
11. 02:57:363 (1) - for aesthetic thingy, the head part looks kinda broke lol
12. 02:58:049 (2,3,4,5,6,7) - uhhhh im pretty sure it's not only 1/2... 02:58:477 - 02:58:991 - sounds really loud yet you skipped them ;;
13. 02:59:420 (2,3,4,5,6,7) - ^ also if u want some polished circular angles, you may try ctrl + shift + d method next time :p
14. 03:07:306 (7) - put NC for consistency with other parts
15. 03:21:877 (2,3,4) - isnt should be 1/8 sliderstream like 03:21:191 (2,3,4,5,6,7) - ? they sounds pretty same
16. 05:06:363 (2) - should be added nc for aesthetic with 05:05:249 (1,1,1,1,1) -
17. 06:34:391 - don't forget to increase volume starting here and 5% silence on 06:35:763 - too w

1. You shouldn't have anything in the source, the map isn't really used in any game or movie soundtrack etc. That's when sources should be used, not for the album names etc. So please remove the source, you can add it into the tags however.

1. You didn't really add that many hitsounds. You did change samplesets but that isn't enough feedback relative to the song for the player, so please add more hitsounds
2. 00:07:648 - Personally, this part is pretty overspaced since it's just a calm part, yet it utilizes jumps similar to ones used in the kiai like 02:41:249 (1,2) - . 00:13:135 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4) - Especially this pattern is pretty big. I do like however how you used the symmetry to express the repetition of the sounds, but please tone the spacing down a bit. Also here 00:59:762 (1,2,3,4) - this spacing is really overkill compared to spacing used in the kiai and you could lower this relative to what you want to do
3. 00:08:164 (4) - Also something which applies to a lot of parts in your map, this note feels really unemphasized despite it's pitch being higher than 00:07:648 (1,2,3) - . In the editor it will be noticeable that the distance between 00:07:821 (2,3) - and 00:07:992 (3,4) - is different, however while playing it's not. You should find a way how to make it feel more emphasized like higher spacing than the rest like here 00:13:135 (1,2,3,4) - or different movement than the rest. This also applies to 00:31:820 (1,2,3,1,2,3) - or 00:43:820 (4,5) - for example, but please make sure to recheck the whole map for these kind of errors
4. Something that should also be mentioned is the fact that you seem to be using visuals randomly. Even if you do maybe have intentions behind the visuals, they don't really get to the player which is really important for all of your ideas used in mapping. The way it is organized now feels pretty loose sometimes - The symmetry like the part at the start is definitely noticable, however the slidershapes 00:41:934 (1,3) - seem very unorganized and unfitting. Also, variety is good for songs like this, but it's better to use variety in the more intense parts while keeping the calmer parts more organized and so on.
5. 00:55:649 (1,2,3,4) - 00:58:391 (1,2,3,4) - While testplaying I found these 3/4 sliders to play really uncomfortable and veeery different from 00:52:906 (1,2,3,4) - and 00:50:163 (1,2,3,4) - . This is because you use rather big distance to the hitcircles combined with a mixture of very weird angles unlike the first two patterns. I get that you wanted those patterns to play different from the start patterns, however, raising the distance alone is enough here, the angles play really bad and way to different from the other patterns than what you intend.
6. 00:50:163 (1,2) - Also for 3/4 sliders like this where the sound on the tail is not audible or only very barely audible, please set the volume there to 5% and silence them so that the player doesn't get too much feedback from sounds which you can't really even hear
7. 02:02:849 (1,2,3,4) - These 1/4 jumps aren't really too readable and also don't play that comfortable because they look like 1/2 jumps, you should make the 1/4 jumps more noticable by (for example) a special arrangement which you only use for these 1/4 jumps
8. 06:01:477 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4) - You could maybe use the same patterns like you used at the start since they are the same sounds (00:07:649 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4) - )
9. Speaking about the gameplay too: It also feels very random, stuff like this 02:02:849 (1,2,3,4) - 02:04:220 (1,2,3,4) - is virtually the same in the song, yet it plays really different in game. Or here 02:08:334 (1,2) - 02:09:363 (1,2) - where it's the same in the song, yet how it plays is different: For 02:08:334 (1,2) - You need to move back and forth and to this 02:08:849 (3) - there is no slider leniency but here 02:09:363 (1,2) - you have somewhat circular flow and use slider leniency to 02:09:620 (3) - . This is something really affecting for the map so I suggest you maybe compare more parts in the song and see how they play in-game
10. Also again, variety to avoid boringness is ok, but the variety shouldn't make it so that the gameplay or the idea behind the placements gets obstructed

Akitoshi wrote:

1. 01:22:049 (2,3,4) - you should add NC for these reverse since your stream's note count/combo on 01:18:963 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4) - is only 4 - done
2. 01:53:249 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - the center of this stream should be 01:53:934 (1) - for piano's pitch change, not 01:53:849 (8) - - tried to do that, but it looks too ugly + it does change the whole section (for example i should then change it here 01:59:334 (8,1) - ) so i keep it as it is for now
3. 01:56:249 (4) - just a suggestion tho why not this rhythm instead of covering those bass with all reverse? it can give more fun + challenge tbh - 1: i wanna keep 01:47:763 (1,2,3,4,5) - this pattern that was introduced to player before, 2: reverse doesnt require to move your cursor so player can prepare for spaced 1/4 sliders 01:56:677 (1,2,3,4) - , this section isnt as loud as other ones so i dont want to increase difficulty here
4. 02:00:106 (1,2,3) - you should keep the piano rhythm like how 01:57:363 (1,2,3) - was made, i know it's different intensity but it's awkward to switch the rhythm ;; - done
5. 02:11:591 (3) - kind of concerned about offscreen, consider to move it lower - done
6. 02:29:591 (1) - it's still 1/3 based rhythm, so slider should be ended on 02:29:820 - - sure
7. 02:29:934 (1) - also its pretty sad to skip 02:30:049 - my friend - no, it isnt, i follow the loudest sound here
8. 02:34:391 (1,2) - the song is so calm, yet the spacing is so scary >.> - lowered a bit
9. 02:38:849 (2,3,4) - 04:31:306 (2,3,4) - nc, same explanation with my 1st bullet - yea, did
10. 02:40:049 - 02:40:220 - 02:40:391 - 02:40:563 - 02:40:734 - it will be look cool if you play with SV changes, like starting to 0.8 > 1 > 1.2 > 1.4 > 1.6 for each kicks, (and maybe increase 02:40:906 (1) - too) - nice idea, did
11. 02:57:363 (1) - for aesthetic thingy, the head part looks kinda broke lol - should be better now
12. 02:58:049 (2,3,4,5,6,7) - uhhhh im pretty sure it's not only 1/2... 02:58:477 - 02:58:991 - sounds really loud yet you skipped them ;; - i could add some 1/4 sliders, but if you hear closely, every circle has the same sound on it, and to be consistent ill keep that, 02:58:220 (3) - this exact sound is what the section is mapped for
13. 02:59:420 (2,3,4,5,6,7) - ^ also if u want some polished circular angles, you may try ctrl + shift + d method next time :p - yea, idk why i did it handly, fixed
14. 03:07:306 (7) - put NC for consistency with other parts - did
15. 03:21:877 (2,3,4) - isnt should be 1/8 sliderstream like 03:21:191 (2,3,4,5,6,7) - ? they sounds pretty same - sound is 1/8 but it isnt really the same as previous ones, that's why i emphasise it by spacing, but not by 1/8 slider to indicate its different sound but still important one
16. 05:06:363 (2) - should be added nc for aesthetic with 05:05:249 (1,1,1,1,1) - - did
17. 06:34:391 - don't forget to increase volume starting here and 5% silence on 06:35:763 - too w - silenced sliderend for now, i will have someone to do hitsounds after some mods, so he'll do volume stuffs

good luck

https://osu.ppy.sh/b/1389960 mod this pls, only 1~2 diffs is ok for fair drain time - thanks for mod, ill take top 2 diffs

_DT3 wrote:

Hey! Here for the M4M
I think this is gonna be a more general mod since I do see general issues with the mapset imo


[General]

1. You shouldn't have anything in the source, the map isn't really used in any game or movie soundtrack etc. That's when sources should be used, not for the album names etc. So please remove the source, you can add it into the tags however. - done, tags copied from ranked version

[Infinity]

1. You didn't really add that many hitsounds. You did change samplesets but that isn't enough feedback relative to the song for the player, so please add more hitsounds - do you like applying mods while your beatmap is hitsounded? hitsounds will be later
2. 00:07:648 - Personally, this part is pretty overspaced since it's just a calm part, yet it utilizes jumps similar to ones used in the kiai like 02:41:249 (1,2) - . 00:13:135 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4) - Especially this pattern is pretty big. I do like however how you used the symmetry to express the repetition of the sounds, but please tone the spacing down a bit. Also here 00:59:762 (1,2,3,4) - this spacing is really overkill compared to spacing used in the kiai and you could lower this relative to what you want to do - about the first part: this section is calm, yes, but at the same time, sounds are pretty loud and noticeable, for such difficulty of the map, spacing isnt really that huge to be the problem; about the second part: here i did slowly increase intensivity of the jumps, starting from here 00:51:534 (1,2,3,4) -, then 00:54:277 (1,2,3,4) -, then 00:57:020 (1,2,3,4) - , up to this point 00:59:762 (1,2,3,4) -, song slowly reaches its climax here 01:01:134 (1) - so i do wanna keep that spacing
3. 00:08:164 (4) - Also something which applies to a lot of parts in your map, this note feels really unemphasized despite it's pitch being higher than 00:07:648 (1,2,3) - . In the editor it will be noticeable that the distance between 00:07:821 (2,3) - and 00:07:992 (3,4) - is different, however while playing it's not. You should find a way how to make it feel more emphasized like higher spacing than the rest like here 00:13:135 (1,2,3,4) - or different movement than the rest. This also applies to 00:31:820 (1,2,3,1,2,3) - or 00:43:820 (4,5) - for example, but please make sure to recheck the whole map for these kind of errors - its emphasised by a break, could aswell add slider here, and sliderbody would emphasise it as well as break does, 00:31:820 (1,2,3,1,2,3) here i did the same thing, by changing flow + break
4. Something that should also be mentioned is the fact that you seem to be using visuals randomly. Even if you do maybe have intentions behind the visuals, they don't really get to the player which is really important for all of your ideas used in mapping. The way it is organized now feels pretty loose sometimes - The symmetry like the part at the start is definitely noticable, however the slidershapes 00:41:934 (1,3) - seem very unorganized and unfitting. Also, variety is good for songs like this, but it's better to use variety in the more intense parts while keeping the calmer parts more organized and so on. - ill try to do that, aesthetic things is mostly what im asking for in mods
5. 00:55:649 (1,2,3,4) - 00:58:391 (1,2,3,4) - While testplaying I found these 3/4 sliders to play really uncomfortable and veeery different from 00:52:906 (1,2,3,4) - and 00:50:163 (1,2,3,4) - . This is because you use rather big distance to the hitcircles combined with a mixture of very weird angles unlike the first two patterns. I get that you wanted those patterns to play different from the start patterns, however, raising the distance alone is enough here, the angles play really bad and way to different from the other patterns than what you intend. - changed the last pattern a little bit, however, as i said before, i slowly increase intensivity here before climax, that's why this sliderpattern is getting harder and harder and harder
6. 00:50:163 (1,2) - Also for 3/4 sliders like this where the sound on the tail is not audible or only very barely audible, please set the volume there to 5% and silence them so that the player doesn't get too much feedback from sounds which you can't really even hear - did
7. 02:02:849 (1,2,3,4) - These 1/4 jumps aren't really too readable and also don't play that comfortable because they look like 1/2 jumps, you should make the 1/4 jumps more noticable by (for example) a special arrangement which you only use for these 1/4 jumps - this section is intense, 1/4 jumps are noticeable, i think you didnt watch the whole map to see how i do 1/4 sliderbased jumps
8. 06:01:477 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4) - You could maybe use the same patterns like you used at the start since they are the same sounds (00:07:649 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4) - ) - did
9. Speaking about the gameplay too: It also feels very random, stuff like this 02:02:849 (1,2,3,4) - 02:04:220 (1,2,3,4) - is virtually the same in the song, yet it plays really different in game. Or here 02:08:334 (1,2) - 02:09:363 (1,2) - where it's the same in the song, yet how it plays is different: For 02:08:334 (1,2) - You need to move back and forth and to this 02:08:849 (3) - there is no slider leniency but here 02:09:363 (1,2) - you have somewhat circular flow and use slider leniency to 02:09:620 (3) - . This is something really affecting for the map so I suggest you maybe compare more parts in the song and see how they play in-game - 02:02:849 (1,2,3,4) and 02:04:220 (1,2,3,4) is just copy pasted, is there a better way to do the same stuff than copy and paste?
   For the second part, its really what this map is about, camellia agressive slider map and my intention was to keep atention from player, so map isnt boring and this section is "difficult" in its way, thats why there are some flow-breaks etc.
   Lastly, 02:08:334 (1,2) - this and 02:09:363 (1,2) - are different sections separated by 02:08:849 (3) - , thats why
10. Also again, variety to avoid boringness is ok, but the variety shouldn't make it so that the gameplay or the idea behind the placements gets obstructed

Ok I'll stop there since there seems to be a few things you need to improve on: Visual organization and gameplay. Idk if you already do or if people already tell you to do it but I suggest watching pishifat's videos and practice more on unsubmitted maps.
Also, if you maybe thought that you had intentions behind all timestamps mentioned: Either the idea behind it didn't get to me or there is a better way in executing it. So you should also work on how to make the idea get to the player more
If you have any concerns, questions (or complaints lol) don't hesitate to PM me! I do apologize if I did offend you
GL! - do this map really looks like i didnt watch any of pishi's videos? ill try to be consistent with my visual style, but personally i think you look at my map using glasses from anime simply beatmaps with perfect structure and easy pp. Maybe thats the reason you've skipped the most important entire kiai times and modded only slow parts which needs more polishing its true, but they are just "fillers" to my map which concept starts here 02:08:334 -
--- Anyway, thanks for mod, you did help

1. 00:52:906 (1,2,3,4) - Forcing this pattern for symmetry is not a good idea, I'd suggest reducing the spacing here
2. 00:55:649 (1,2,3,4) - ^
3. 00:58:391 (1,2,3,4) - ^
4. 01:49:477 (2) - The blanket is not good, fix it
5. 03:08:163 (11) - Center this please
6. 06:22:734 (1) - WOT

Minorsonek wrote:

do this map really looks like i didnt watch any of pishi's videos? ill try to be consistent with my visual style, but personally i think you look at my map using glasses from anime simply beatmaps with perfect structure and easy pp. Maybe thats the reason you've skipped the most important entire kiai times and modded only slow parts which needs more polishing its true, but they are just "fillers" to my map which concept starts here 02:08:334 -
--- Anyway, thanks for mod, you did help

MoodyRPG wrote:

Infinity

1. 00:52:906 (1,2,3,4) - Forcing this pattern for symmetry is not a good idea, I'd suggest reducing the spacing here
2. 00:55:649 (1,2,3,4) - ^
3. 00:58:391 (1,2,3,4) - ^ - here i did slowly increase intensivity of the jumps, starting from here 00:51:534 (1,2,3,4) -, then 00:54:277 (1,2,3,4) -, then 00:57:020 (1,2,3,4) - , up to this point 00:59:762 (1,2,3,4) -, song slowly reaches its climax here 01:01:134 (1) - and symetry sliders follow the same idea, they getting harder and harder
4. 01:49:477 (2) - The blanket is not good, fix it - did
5. 03:08:163 (11) - Center this please - did
6. 06:22:734 (1) - WOT - ???

Xoul wrote:

Heyo sorry about that! That M4M Thingy

Mod

00:35:934 (2,3,1) - Make (1) and (2) the same visual distance of 3 - no, idea behind these jumps was different
00:40:563 (1,5) - Its a little off - sure
01:28:734 (2,6,7) - Make the spacing even - should be better now
01:33:706 (7,2) - Tad of overlap - moved a little bit, but overlaps here are unavoidable
01:36:791 (1,3) - Make the same visual distance as (2) and (4) - fixed
01:36:791 (1,3) - Doesn't really go with the music play around with it. I hear more sounds - i dont map every sound, i emphasise the important ones
02:58:049 (2,3,4,5,6,7) - Might be more pleasing with 1/4 sliders due to the sound in the music - i emphasise 02:58:391 (4) - this exact sound, and every circle has it, i dont wanna 1/4 sliders here
03:21:706 (1,1) - Slight overlap. Might be editor but check it. - fixed
03:25:134 (1,1) - I'd love some of that slider art on this long break. Would fit really well to fit the rest of the camellia maps :3 - im really bad at sliderarting, so it would make map worse, ill think of it but the only way i can add sliderarts here is by copying from other maps, idk if its cool
03:55:306 (1,2,3) - Give (2) the same visual distance to make (1) and (3) even - fixed
04:03:077 (1,2,3,4,5,1,1,1,2,3,1,1,1) - Section is a little hard with the calmness of the music. - it isnt, rhythm is slower than 1/2 so its easy to hit and its last section before faster part
05:38:163 (1,2,3,1,2,3,1) - Hard to read. Space it or change it - changed
06:18:406 (1,2,3,4) - THis could be a better pattern. imo - yea

Overall seems good. Needs mroe slider art tho
Good luck on mapping and ranking/loving - thanks for mod

Soul~

Sakurauchi Riko wrote:

hi M4M

mod
00:20:849 (1,2,3) - how about making this jump horizontal so you make a transition between the different sounds of 00:20:163 (7,8,9) - 00:21:534 (1,2,3) - - almost every jump in this section is vertical, so i wanna keep that
00:23:077 (4,5,6) - visual spacing issue, 1/2 and 1/1 rhythm are visually spaced equally which causes missreading - fixed
00:43:820 (4,5) - this is lower spaced than objects before although this has heavy downbeat, so this is spacing emphasis issue - fixed
00:49:306 (4,5) - same thing here and so on .. you get it - fixed
00:54:277 (1,2,3,4) - i dont think a huge spacing increase is justified here, the music barely changes in intensity so the jumps should be visually somewhat equal - music slowly builds up to this part 01:01:134 (1) -
00:55:649 - here begins a consistent 1/2 beat sound, you should somehwat represent it because currently the map doesnt change at all but the rhythm in the music does - i want to emphasise the most important sounds, the 1/2 beat is way under 00:59:762 (1) - or especially 01:00:449 (5) - sound
00:55:649 (1,2,3,4) - this incredibly high 1/4 spacing causes missing sliderends while playing, this is really not comfortable to play with that huge spacing - that was my intention, as i mention before, i want map to slowly get harder and harder to prepare for this section 01:01:134 (1), and testplays showed that most players wont miss sliderends here anyway
01:12:791 (1,2,3,4) - rotate this by -20° clockwise and the jumps will be much much better to play (you change the angle of the cursor movement which feels comfortable and its a good transition between the circles and sliders, too) - fixed different way
01:29:591 (6,7,1,2,3) - awkward wide angles with inconsistent spacing plays really awkward - i want to emphasise this sound 01:29:763 (7,1) - between these two, its why
01:36:791 - in the following few measures you miss a lot of 1/4 beats, are you sure you wanna skip them? i think you'd map closer to the music if you represent all of these sounds. and since the sound of the coming long stream is the same as your skipped beats, it would make much more sense to map the missed ones - fixed
01:41:420 (7) - you should make an angle here instead of 01:41:591 (9) - because theres strong sound - here, i map for the constant sound which every circle has and i skip piano (or whatever it is) in the background
01:45:020 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4) - how about decreasing the spacing consistently here for these groups since the pitch of the sounds gets lower over time, too? - ill leave that for now
01:58:649 - you should map this as this is part of the following stream - no, 01:58:734 (1) - here is strong sound and circles after that have different sound than 01:58:649 - so it wont make sense
02:07:649 (1) - might be offscreen, too lazy to set to 4:3 and check. this touches the hp bar heavily which is bad aesthetic too - fixed
02:28:906 (1,2,3,1,2,3) - nobody expects this to be 1/3, as a player you assume this is 1/2, lower the spacing here drastically - here song reaches its climax and this sound is the loudest one in map, its good it has spacing, even ranked version have this pattern
02:45:706 (1,2,3) - this flow is really awkward, - should be better
02:58:391 (4,5,6,7) - these are different from 02:58:049 (2,3) - but they are in same pattern, change direction or something to make it not look like this sounds all the same because it does not - they are the same sounds, listen closely and ignore 1/4 beats
04:04:677 (1,1,1) - way too much spacing here for a slow part, they should at least overlap - i dont think so, rhythm here is way different so i want to emphasise that, and it isnt really that hard to play to tell it doesnt fit here
04:55:649 (1) - might be offscreen - fixed
05:38:163 (1,2,3,1,2,3) - same as above, 1/3 not expectable with huge spacing - same as above
06:00:963 - try to represent this noise in any way, there are million options. currently it looks same like before but the noise proves that its not - added slider
06:22:734 (1) - well ok xD i'd be annoyed as a player to play this long as slider but looks cool - sliderarts is what makes camellia map, its bad that my map have only 1, but im not an artist


sorry I suck at modding such maps/song cuz I absolutely hate "songs" with random noises (basically camellia lol) xD
this song gave me a headache - lul, someone hates camellia, lul

Best of Luck!

NeilPerry wrote:

Hello! Let me mod some.

General: Firstly thing i wanna suggest you improve hitsounds. add claps and finishes for more music expression 05:03:877 (1) - this for exmaple. Some moments looks randomly by sample changes 00:40:563 - for example this - ill add hitsounds later, when map design and rhythm will be perfect
Second thing: You need more polishing on your spacing extremely for beginning 00:54:277 (1,2,3,4) - thiss got less music expression than this stuff 01:17:249 (1,2) - but still got same spacing which a kind of questionable - you are comparing two different sections without taking into account that first spacing was used as a contrast to emphasise that music is getting faster and faster to reach this moment 01:01:134 (1) -
00:10:391 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4) - so this overspaced too. so better to recheck your spacing in beggining and make some polishes on it and more structurise it. - it isnt overspaced, lul
Put 00:07:649 - redline volume equals to greenline volume. Its unrankable issuse cuz RC - did

Infinity:
00:20:163 (7,8) - seeing on your overall spacing of beginning this kind of stuff can be confused. 00:18:791 (2,3) - 1\2 00:20:163 (7,8) - 1\1 got rly same spacing. So place NC, can resolve this problem a bit - ..., do 00:18:791 (2,3) - has the same spacing like 00:20:163 (7,8) - for you? really?
01:32:677 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - dont sure that it's rly fits to music o can be logical variation of your rythm lol - ?? it does perfectly, every strong sound is here 01:32:677 (1,3,5,7) - and every other sound is 01:32:849 (2,4,6,8) - and that's what pattern does
02:39:534 (1,3,4) - avoid that pixel overlaps - fix
03:19:305 (4,5) - that doesnt work cuz 03:19:134 (2,3,4) - space tripple give a big space impacting - this pattern fits perfectly here
05:23:334 (2,3) - very close - what's the problem here?
05:50:677 (2,4) - same stuff about pizel overlapping - fix

So i can't go more deeper for kind of nazi or polishing suggestion stuff. Map looks really randomly for me. Some shapes looks rly unconsostience between each other. You should make more visual polishes to make this map like puzzle. - What's the point of modding if not "polishing suggestion stuff"?
But on positive side, your rythm and some emphasize looks rly good. - Thanks for mod


Good luck with this o/

Cherry Blossom wrote:

Hello, M4M.

Infinity

1. 00:52:220 (5,6) - it would be nice if you increase the distance between them to not make them confusing with the 1/4 gaps you used here 00:52:906 (1,2) - . Make it like 00:57:706 (5,6) - . Same for 00:54:963 (5,6) - it isnt confusing because rhythm was introduced before, BUT changed to jumps, should be better
2. 01:34:649 - this note is really audible and it sounds weird that you didn't follow or mapped it, it would be nice if you put a circle on this tick. - i dont follow this sound in this pattern
3. 02:01:391 - i could say the say thing as ^, it would be nice to follow this tick because there is the same piano note as the one you followed with streams. - i want maximum emphasise on 02:01:477 (1) - this loud important sound, so added 1/4 slider instead of circle here 02:01:306 (4) - and it should be enough
4. 02:28:906 (1,2,3,1,2,3) - this is too sudden and the spacing is really large, so you need to be very careful and fast to be able to handle this pattern which looks like a difficulty spike. Imo it would be really better if you nerf the distance between these 1/3 circles. Same for 05:38:163 (1,2,3,1,2,3) - - what you say is true but when i did this pattern someone who mod my map said something like "pattern copied from ranked ver" so i did check out ranked version of this song and it has the same pattern and its ranked so i dont think i should change that
5. 02:41:420 (2,3) - i wonder why the spacing between them is different from 02:42:791 (2,3) - 02:43:477 (5,1) - and even 02:46:906 (2,3) - etc. is that intentional ? - spacing repaired, only 02:43:477 (5,1) - here was intentional higher, rest is equal
6. 04:20:848 (9,10) - Increase the distance between them, it looks really weird to play because the distance between previous triples is higher, and a low distance is kind of slowdown when the song doesn't really justify it. - fixed
7. 04:27:620 - here you also missed a strong beat that should be followed or played, and it will also avoid the polarity issue between 04:27:534 (3,1) - and keep a regular 1/2 gap between them. - moved whole pattern 04:27:363 (1,2,3) - by one tick to the right

Good Luck ~ - Thanks!

dsco wrote:

i dont need a mod back on anything - as u wish

to note: using the same combo color multiple times in a row is unrankable, as it makes it hard to distinguish between successive combos. i would recommend changing this asap. - if you back to this thread, plz tell me how to fix that, when did i do the same combocolor multiple times in a row? i even changed my skin to default to check, but i dont see any of this
00:19:820 (6) - dont really like this slider since there isnt a noise on the tail and 00:22:734 (3) - 00:24:106 (1) - 00:25:306 (1) - here you use sliders with sounds on the tail - this slider fits here bcs sound 00:19:820 - here is "longer" than one tick
00:23:077 (4) - 00:34:049 (4) - no noise here? - yes, ill add hitsounds to fix it or if it wont help then ill remove
00:26:849 (1,2) - again dont like these cause you dont use them previously, very random to start using this slider technique here - i didnt have an opportunity to use this, its still early in the map so it isnt confusing player
00:52:563 (6,7) - 00:55:306 (6,7) - etc.. no reason to start stacking these - fixed
01:01:134 (1) - i think this would be better as a 1/2 slider with a circle on the blue tick since there is a strong sound on the red tick - no, here i follow the most louder sounds which you can hear 01:01:134 - 01:01:477 - 01:01:649 - 01:01:991 - and i want to keep that
01:01:820 (4,5,6) - space equally between 01:01:477 (2,3) - ? - should be better
01:24:449 - this bookmark section: i dont hear what you are mapping triples too, seems like you are adding things randomly to the music that arent there - you propably think about skipped sound here 01:24:706 - but i want keep it for now
01:31:991 (4,5,6,7) - why are these kicksliders? - music calls for it
01:36:791 (1,2,3,4) - ^ - here previously was only 1/2 rhythm but many moders pointed out there is some sounds between so i did kicksliders and i think it is better now
01:43:649 (1,2,3,4) - give these a 1/4 gap instead of a 1/8 gap - tried, but 1/8 fits better
01:58:563 (4,1) - 02:01:306 (4,1) - there is a piano sound you are missing between these 2 circles - did 1/4 slider
02:29:934 (1) - this slider body has an important sound under it that i think should be clickable - i want to emphasise the loudest one
03:01:134 (3,4) - theres a sound between these circles, too - fixed
03:05:934 (1,4,1) - i think the tails should be circles instead - no, slider fits here
03:19:305 (4,5) - pretty important sound between these circles - ok, but have you any idea how to fix that without breaking pattern?
03:59:420 (1) - should just be one long slider instead of a repeat slider - fixed
04:25:049 (1,2) - 04:27:791 (1,2) - unstack so it matches the 1/4 spacing you use for doubles in this section? - fixed, but im not sure its good
04:30:963 (1,1,1,1) - give these a 1/4 gap instead of a 1/8 gap - if before you may be right, here its DEFINITELY 1/8
04:33:706 - in the section starting here i think there are some rhythm problems. i'll point out some very important sounds that aren't mapped. overall i think the melody is largely ignored and the rhythms don't represent the song well here. 04:33:706 (1) - the first blue tick under this slider is one of the notes in the melody, same with the blue tick between these: 04:34:049 (2,3) - . 04:34:734 (5,6) - there are 3 melody notes on the blue ticks around 6 as well as 6, and no note on 5. this continues throughout this section and i think its something to consider as this is probably the most energetic part / climax of the song - i get your idea but i dont want to map every sound (why not make one big stream so every sound is mapped?) therefore i've chosen the most important sounds. 04:33:791 - this sound here is nothing compared to this 04:33:706 - so i wont change that, ill consider doing something here 04:34:134 - but ill leave for now, 04:34:734 (5) - 04:36:106 (5) - these two are alternating between circle and 1/4 slider for variety, rest is constant rhythm
05:11:763 (1,1) - this is 4 1/4 sounds, not 2 1/2 sounds. 05:09:020 (1,1) - want to match with it
06:22:734 (1) - cool slider :~D - tried my best with slidearting Thanks

Cyron wrote:

Hi, M4M
- This is just my opinion but those 00:13:478 (3,4,3,4) feel too spaced for the beginning of a song. Especially considering that this part of the song is so calm. I think it's a good idea to emphasize the higher pitch through spacing but maybe tone it down a notch since the actual song hasn't even started yet. Same could be applied for the stuff up until 00:40:563 - since this is where the song actually starts. Instead of trying to make things too spaced when there is no need to just for the sake of avoiding boringness you're better off not mapping that part at all. If you take a look at every ranked technical map they always start easy and get progressively harder as the song gets more intense. - i get your point but spacing is so small compared to spacing later on, so contrast is shown here and that's what song calls for, i wont make 1* diff here and make it boring part or remove this part and NOT every ranked camellia has low spacing when song is calm

- 00:58:391 (1,2,3,4) - Way too spaced for a 1/4 beat gap. Even more spaced then some half beat gaps. 00:52:906 (1,2,3,4) - this was just right - song is getting faster and faster and faster and faster and i want to emphasise that, i've explained it enough times in previous mods
- 01:03:191 (5,1,2,3) - move the slider a bit so it doesn't overlap with the triple - sure
- 01:10:049 (7,8,9) - make this triple go from right to left, i think it would improve the flow a bit - flow is fine in current state
- 01:13:306 (4) - Also maybe move this a bit more to the left - no reason for that
- 01:32:677 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - this just feels out of place. I think throwing in a couple of sliders would help. - no, listen to the music, every loud sound is on "down" side and every weaker sound is on "up" side, fits perfectly
- 01:34:649 - there is a clear sound here. You can add a note and make it into a double but make it less spaced. - sounds are everywhere, if i map every sound map would be one long stream, im emphasising the most important ones here
- 01:46:391 (1,1) - space those a bit more - its just after hard part, give player time to recover his hand + spacing isnt that low to be considered a bad one
- 01:46:734 (1) - don't think this NC is needed - it is, lol
- 02:40:392 (3,4) - make those have the same spacing as the other 2 - did, kinda
- 02:43:477 (1) - stack this slider as well in order to mantain the same pattern. Also why is this 02:43:649 (1) - a NC? - song is different here? didnt you notice?
- 02:46:391 (1) - ^ -- both NCs for slider velocity changes + song is different
- 02:48:277 (2,3) - Make like the other 2 pls. - did
- 02:49:134 (1) - again a NC just for the sake of it. You can increase the SV and make it stand out without having to NC. It just feels out of place.
- 02:51:877 (1) - same. I understand what you're trying to do but there is no reason for it.
- 02:52:391 (2,3,5,6,2,3,5,1) - Finally done right, GJ.
- 02:56:935 (2,3) - Way too spaced. Just imagine playing the map for the first time, the first few singles are stacked on the beginning of the sliders and then suddenly this. Anyone would be frustrated cause who would expect such a bit jump in a 1/4. - wtf this was, fixed of course, mistake
- 02:57:363 (1) - again no need to NC
- NC's should only start on those 03:49:134 (1,1,1) - and that's it. Those 03:49:820 (1,1,1) - are totally out of place
- 03:57:591 (1,2,1) - make those 1 combo
- 03:58:963 (2) - Add NC
- 03:59:420 (1) - remove NC
- 04:00:334 (2) - Add NC
- 04:00:791 (1) - remove NC, No one uses NCs like that - for NCs, i keep my version, listen to the music carefully
- 04:21:020 (10,11,12) - move this so it forms a square with the rest of the triples - no, every 4th object is different (for example here 04:19:649 (10) -)
- 04:22:563 (4) - Move this more to the left - no reason for that
- 04:53:591 (1,2,3,4,1,2,1,2,1,2) - this could be done better. Feels a bit too messy. - should be better
- 05:03:877 (1,1,1,1) - those are ok as the music changes drastically on every beat but those 05:05:420 (1,2,3,4,5) - are not - they are ok, listen to the music
- 05:23:334 (2,3) - maybe you could increased spacing a bit as those seem two objects look too close to each other - ...
- 06:07:306 (3,4,3,4) - same as in the beginning, too spaced for such a calm part of the song. The song as basically ended by this point. This should be a part where you shouldn't be able to miss anymore after you managed to fc the rest of the song. - if player fc'ed the rest of the song, he'll definitely not miss here
- 06:18:791 (3,4) - this still seems too spaced for the intensity of the music - fixed
- 06:22:734 (1) - Maybe put a spinner? The slider also works as is. - spinners suck

I really like the map so far but it's going to be tough to rank, i think.
Hopefully you'll find some of this useful, GL! - Thanks for mod

Here's my map: https://osu.ppy.sh/s/676858

Please increase the volume of the hit sounds a bit since they are a little bit overshadowed by the music in some parts!
(hitsounds needs quite the balance of presence in this)

01:39:534 (1,3) - this overlaps (if intentional please ignore this but if it's not do fix it!)
02:56:249 (6,7) - the sample set here is soft (i dont think that it's intentional)
03:00:449 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,1,2,3,4,5,6) - barely any sound heard here (also this needs more presence)
05:13:134 (1,1) - this slow may be unexpected (it caught me off guard)
05:14:849 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4) - also isnt too quick of a transition for a spaced stream this large?