thank for mod!donutsalad wrote:
modded via irc xDboring long conversation xd08:51 donutsalad: should there be jumps here?
08:51 donutsalad: 02:59:799 (179799|2,180072|0,180345|1,180617|2,180890|0,181163|3,181436|2,181708|1,181981|0,182254|2,182527|1,182799|3,183072|0,183345|1,183617|2,183890|0,184163|3) -
08:51 donutsalad: because the bass starts
08:51 donutsalad: i mean
08:51 qqqant: wait a sec
08:51 donutsalad: like kick drum or whatever
08:51 donutsalad: actually i selected a bit to early i think
08:52 donutsalad: but because atm it goes straight from notes to broken js
08:52 qqqant: which diff is this
08:52 donutsalad: HD
08:52 qqqant: okay
08:52 donutsalad: shouldn't it go notes -> jumps -> js?
08:52 qqqant: hmm
08:52 donutsalad: only cause the music has the kick in the background
08:53 qqqant: well if you look at the spread that doesnt really work out
08:53 donutsalad: oh shit really
08:53 donutsalad: ok nm does the same thing
08:53 qqqant: i believe so
08:54 qqqant: hmm maybe youre right i should add kicks
08:54 donutsalad: yeah and MX has js in there too
08:54 donutsalad: so jump only would probably work right
08:54 qqqant: both SC and SHD have jumps there though
08:54 donutsalad: i mean not js
08:54 donutsalad: like bursts
08:54 donutsalad: MX has bursts tho
08:54 donutsalad: and NM has same as HD
08:54 donutsalad: so shouldn't it go like
08:55 qqqant: NM = HD and SC = SHD and MX is on its own
08:55 donutsalad: oh
08:55 qqqant: idk what to do with that section regarding MX
08:55 donutsalad: mmmmmm
08:55 qqqant: so no change for now, i'll see if anyone else brings it up then ill reconsider
08:55 donutsalad: yeah i guess with the spread it makes sense
08:56 donutsalad: just playing HD it sounds like jumps tho
08:56 donutsalad: also this is probably another spread thing
08:56 donutsalad: 04:24:617 (264617|1,264754|2,264890|3,265027|1,265163|2,265299|0,265436|1,265572|2,265708|3,265845|1,265981|0,266117|2,266254|1,266390|3,266527|2,266663|0,266799|3,266936|1,267072|0,267208|2,267345|1,267481|0,267617|3,267754|2,267890|1,268027|3,268163|0,268299|2,268436|1,268572|3) -
08:56 donutsalad: but this section
08:56 donutsalad: is like
08:56 donutsalad: 1/2 stream
08:56 donutsalad: even though it's kiai
08:56 donutsalad: and the other sections were harder
08:56 donutsalad: idk if jumpstream doesn't fit or something
08:56 donutsalad: but it seemed undersold i guess
08:56 donutsalad: aaa i don't wanna sound mean or anything
08:57 qqqant: well kiai doesnt necessarily mean hardest part?
08:57 qqqant: ill fix that tho
08:57 donutsalad: but doesn't it mean drop?
08:57 donutsalad: it's not that kiai was wrong
08:57 donutsalad: it's more that compared to the rest of the song
08:57 donutsalad: it was easier
08:57 qqqant: i was concerned at that part because
08:57 qqqant: if you take a look at NM
08:57 qqqant: it's just 1/1 LNs
08:57 donutsalad: oh
08:57 donutsalad: really
08:57 qqqant: yea
08:57 donutsalad: huh
08:58 donutsalad: i should've looked at spread
08:58 qqqant: i was concerned that if i did js there in HD, it would flip flop the spread
08:58 donutsalad: are you sure 1/1 lns was right?
08:58 donutsalad: cause other stuff in nm seemed a lot harder
08:58 qqqant: im sure
08:58 qqqant: im looking at it rn
08:58 qqqant: https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/9647057
08:58 donutsalad: oh yeah
08:58 donutsalad: no i found it
08:58 qqqant: left is HD right is NM
08:58 donutsalad: oh shit
08:59 donutsalad: what
08:59 donutsalad: how did you do that
08:59 donutsalad: wtf
08:59 qqqant: file -> open difficulty -> for reference
08:59 qqqant: lol
08:59 donutsalad: HOLY SHIT LOL
08:59 donutsalad: THAT'S SO USEFUL
08:59 qqqant: and yeah lol
09:00 qqqant: also i believe NM is a little underrated? as someone (forgot who) brought that up to me
09:00 qqqant: but has like loads of people who seem to be fine with it
09:00 donutsalad: i can't tell
09:00 qqqant: me neither tbh
09:00 donutsalad: i have like 1/10 reference for below 3* tbh LOL
09:00 donutsalad: i can say hey this shouldn't be 1* to coinage
09:00 donutsalad: but that's it LOL
09:01 qqqant: lol
09:01 donutsalad: ok that all makes sense with spread
09:01 donutsalad: wait uh
09:01 qqqant: anything else?
09:02 qqqant: like moving on to other diff maybe?
09:02 donutsalad: yeah
09:02 donutsalad: 04:54:754 (294754|1,295163|0) -
09:02 donutsalad: these two i had written down
09:02 donutsalad: that maybe kick?
09:02 donutsalad: idk
09:02 donutsalad: like jump
09:02 donutsalad: oops
09:02 donutsalad: not kick
09:02 qqqant: you mean double?
09:02 donutsalad: yeah jump LOL
09:03 qqqant: hmm
09:03 donutsalad: just while it's sorta broken
09:03 qqqant: i put those on the left hand on purpose
09:03 donutsalad: yeah see i thought that
09:03 qqqant: cuz like double would be weird
09:03 donutsalad: yeah idk where you'd put it
09:03 donutsalad: on second though
09:03 donutsalad: t
09:04 qqqant: because MX has double on those notes
09:04 donutsalad: oFC you've planned this
09:04 qqqant: and though NM also does, it doesnt have any other notes
09:04 donutsalad: that sounds highly justified
09:04 qqqant: yea ive thought through a lot of stuff :^(
09:04 donutsalad: no kidding
09:04 qqqant: but that just leaves more room for mistakes elsewhere
09:04 qqqant: which is why im like desperate for mod lol XD
09:04 donutsalad: LOL
09:04 donutsalad: but i can't see anything
09:05 donutsalad: nothing i've said so far has been any help LOL
09:05 donutsalad: you're too good
09:05 qqqant: no i will be considering some stuff when i discuss with BN maybe
09:05 qqqant: a lot of points people made are good points
09:05 qqqant: i just have a justification for why i do it my way, but im happy to change if enough people say another way is better
09:06 donutsalad: i guess, i only was thinking about playing the one map, not how it would work between spread
09:06 donutsalad: but i'm not sure if other people care so much about spreads lining up
09:06 qqqant: yeah thats what i was thinking
09:07 donutsalad: not to belittle the planning behind it omg
09:07 donutsalad: you've done it really well
09:07 donutsalad: also sory idrk what im doing on lower stars at all
09:07 qqqant: so though it can be justified with spread, i'd take into consideration points that take the difficulty as it is alone
09:07 qqqant: and then fix the spread through other suggestions
09:07 donutsalad: yeah i guess
09:07 donutsalad: and if two things from different spreads line up
09:07 qqqant: but for me, they all play well
09:07 donutsalad: that'd be a thing to change too
09:07 donutsalad: yeah they do
09:08 qqqant: theres still a problem though
09:08 donutsalad: that's what i was complaining about earlier LOL
09:08 donutsalad: you're too good at mapping
09:08 donutsalad: i can't mod XD
09:08 qqqant: ;w;
09:08 qqqant: well still
09:08 qqqant: there is still a spread problem
09:08 donutsalad: what's the spread problem?
09:08 qqqant: lets move to MX
09:08 donutsalad: oke in mx
09:08 donutsalad: should i load up reference
09:08 qqqant: reference to SC probably
09:09 donutsalad: ok done
09:09 qqqant: ive done this with every difficulty, making sure everything on the left is easier than everything on the right
09:09 qqqant: but there was one thing i didnt catch
09:09 donutsalad: yeah i noticed that actually LOL
09:09 qqqant: 02:56:527 (176527|0) -
09:09 donutsalad: 02:56:527 (176527|2) -
09:09 donutsalad: you could always remove that?
09:10 donutsalad: first glance suggestion
09:10 qqqant: shit u right
09:10 donutsalad: owo did i do a help?!
09:10 qqqant: well the thing is, in this section
09:10 donutsalad: go on
09:10 qqqant: even though is not really that big of a deal
09:10 qqqant: MX is significantly harder than SC and SHD in this section
09:11 donutsalad: yeah but you said MX was the odd one out right
09:11 qqqant: yea
09:11 qqqant: but the thing is
09:11 donutsalad: and that everything had a pair but MX
09:11 donutsalad: so MX could have a like
09:11 qqqant: i would happily change SC and SHD
09:11 donutsalad: "easter egg" or some better word
09:11 qqqant: to fit the spread
09:11 qqqant: but in SHD there is a problem
09:11 qqqant: i have SV there
09:11 qqqant: to match the notes
09:11 donutsalad: i think i remember
09:11 qqqant: so im planning to talk to BN about that
09:11 donutsalad: and i think that you should keep MX as the odd one out
09:11 donutsalad: it's the quirk of MX
09:11 qqqant: yeah thats what im thinking to do
09:12 qqqant: yea
09:12 donutsalad: quirk not easter egg there we go LOL
09:12 qqqant: lol
09:12 donutsalad: but yeah
09:12 donutsalad: i honestly think that works out well
09:12 donutsalad: like that it's the opposite of a problem
09:12 qqqant: hmmyeah
09:12 qqqant: but i still think i need to talk about it with BN
09:13 donutsalad: ofc i mean they're the ones with the rulebook n stuff
09:13 qqqant: lol
09:13 qqqant: anyways
09:13 qqqant: is there any patterning problem
09:13 donutsalad: i've not had a chance to look thouroughly
09:13 qqqant: ah ok
09:13 donutsalad: but not that i can remember off he bad
09:13 donutsalad: bat*
09:13 qqqant: take ur time ig
09:14 donutsalad: got my editor is so out of time
09:14 qqqant: rip
09:16 donutsalad: it favored a particular direction for a while
09:16 donutsalad: but that's probably just me beign stupidly penickety
09:17 qqqant: hmm
09:17 qqqant: u mean SC?
09:17 qqqant: or MX still
09:18 qqqant: oh yeah in the 1/3 section?
09:19 donutsalad: wait what am i in
09:19 donutsalad: yeah mx
09:19 donutsalad: and im pre sure it was 1/3
09:19 qqqant: which part is tihs
09:19 qqqant: ok
09:19 donutsalad: lemme find
09:19 qqqant: yeah thats not my section xD
09:20 qqqant: is there anything else??
09:20 donutsalad: hmm something is sorta uncomforadble
09:21 donutsalad: ok wait lemme just
09:21 donutsalad: 04:24:617 (264617|3,264617|0,264686|1,264754|2,264822|3,264890|0,264958|1,265027|2,265095|3,265163|0,265231|2,265299|1,265367|3) -
09:21 donutsalad: the bit after this
09:21 donutsalad: idk something feels a little off
09:21 qqqant: eh
09:22 qqqant: i tested that section so much :^(
09:22 donutsalad: yeah i can feel it
09:22 donutsalad: fuck i've done that
09:22 donutsalad: hmmm
09:22 qqqant: so like
09:22 qqqant: there is a pattern
09:22 donutsalad: it's not even that bad
09:22 donutsalad: tbh
09:23 qqqant: on the left hand the 1 and 2 alternate every time
09:23 donutsalad: actually yeah
09:23 qqqant: same with right hand
09:23 donutsalad: oh yeah no i can see that
09:23 donutsalad: but it was just offputting to come into
09:23 qqqant: for some faster players, that is uncomfortable
09:23 donutsalad: yeah for me
09:23 qqqant: like being used to stepmania single stream pattern like hi19
09:23 donutsalad: i just tried with different hand position
09:23 donutsalad: and it was fun
09:23 qqqant: and then running into this
09:23 donutsalad: i've seen it before but a lot faster
09:24 donutsalad: yeah nah it was just my hand positioning
09:24 donutsalad: ok nvm
09:24 qqqant: o okay
09:25 donutsalad: ok yeah
09:25 donutsalad: actually all of ti was fine as far as i can tell
(for self reference - mod HD, MX)