1. Avena's Light Insane (3.67 stars, 276 notes)
2. Easy (1.16 stars, 84 notes)
3. Expert (5.72 stars, 433 notes)
4. Hard (3.2 stars, 297 notes)
5. Insane (4.73 stars, 386 notes)
6. Normal (2.06 stars, 136 notes)

1. 00:38:536 - 00:38:811 - You do not pick up the lyrics here?
   00:36:609 (4) - just like here
2. 01:23:121 - Add whistle?
3. 01:36:057 (3) - ^

1. 00:33:306 (2,3) - Since you are stack, the distance is close.
   overlap
2. 00:43:215 (2,3) - ^
3. 00:46:517 (4) - Add finish
4. 00:53:949 (1,2,1,2,3) - I think that this same rhythm is good
5. 01:07:433 (1,2,3,1,2) - Why change the rhythm?
6. 01:14:039 (1,3) - It is better to make it symmetrical
7. 01:36:057 - Easy same Add whistle

1. 00:03:444 (3,4,5) - It looks odd because the distance is slightly different
2. 00:04:407 (6,7) - Ctrl+G is better
3. 00:20:646 (6,1) - It is true that this distance is 0.30 but I think it is better to adjust the apparent distance
4. 00:49:820 (4) - Only this slider is slightly above

1. 00:01:105 - 00:20:646 - In a quiet part I think that the slider is very fast
2. 00:16:793 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4) - Why change the distance?
   I hear it on the same volume, so I think there is no need to change the distance
3. 01:20:644 (1,2,3,4,5,6) - You had better keep distance
   01:04:956 (5,6,7,8,9,10) - just like here

1. 00:26:288 (2,3) - Ctrl+G is better
2. 00:46:793 (6) - Add NC
   00:48:444 (1) - like this
3. 01:19:405 (3,3) - Can not stack?
   

1. 00:03:031 (1,2,3,4) - 00:06:884 (1,2,3,4) - Why not make it the same shape?
2. 00:24:774 (3,4) - Ctrl+G is better
3. 00:46:793 (6) - 00:48:444 (5) - Add NC
4. 00:48:444 (5,7) - Ctrl+G is better
   00:46:793 (6,7,8,9,1) - 00:50:095 (1,2,3,4,1) - 00:51:747 (1,2,3,4,1) - Just like this flow
5. 01:10:369 (3,4) - You had better keep distance 01:10:185 (1,2) -

1. 00:09:361 (1,2,3) - Li renderei simmetrici rispetto alla linea verticale dell'editor e muoverei il 00:11:013 (3) al centro fixando anche il secondo waypoint che non è perfettamente lineare con il primo (risultando quindi lo slider leggermente spostato a destra)
2. 00:30:829 (1) - Non è un gran problema ma è solo un consiglio: che ne dici di farlo simmetrico per renderlo visivamente più bello? https://puu.sh/xpMU7.png
3. 00:36:609 (4) - Penso che questo slider si adatterebbe meglio con tutto il pattern precedente (specialmente con il primo slider rosa) se direzionato in questo modo: https://puu.sh/xpMYc.png
4. 00:47:343 (1) - Dovresti usare un Normal sampleset sulla testa di questo slider per consistenza con 00:50:646 (1) e il resto
5. 00:55:600 (3) - Anche qui, solo un consiglio. Il flow sarebbe migliore se questo slider fosse curvato simmetricamente rispetto all'asse verticale: https://puu.sh/xpN5f.png se lo fai non dimenticare di fixare lo spacing di (4) e (1) ma non dovrebbe essere un problema visto che subito dopo c'è lo spinner
6. 01:22:295 (1) - Rimuovi la NC per consistenza con 01:09:084 (3)
7. 01:27:250 (1) e 01:37:158 (1) - Non dovrebbero esserci dei finish come 01:30:552 (1) - 01:33:855 (1) - ?

1. 00:47:343 (1) - Stessa cosa dell'easy, vabbe vale anche per tutte le altre diff suppongo (copy hitsounder xd) quindi non lo menzionerò più)
2. 00:48:444 (3) - Fossi in te lo mapperei quel tick bianco in mezzo allo slider perchè è un suono abbastanza forte da skippare rispetto a quello in mezzo a 00:49:820 (3) - e 00:51:471 (3) - (c'è una bella differenza tbh)
3. 01:11:561 (2,3) - Se fossi in te qui scambierei il ritmo, nel senso che userei prima lo slider che si adatta moooolto meglio al vocal rispetto a se posizionato dopo il circle e poi subito dopo posizionerei sulla time line il circle
4. 01:27:250 (1) - Stessa cosa della easy e stessa cosa che lo skipperò per le prossime diff :3

1. Da Aibat, controlla lo snap di questi elementi: https://puu.sh/xpNRj.png
2. 00:16:241 (3) - Giusto un'opinione personale: a me non piace questo stack. Se potessi modificare un po' la posizione di tutti gli altri slider successivi senza distruggere il pattern ti consiglierei di farlo così che tu riesca ad evitare questo overlap
3. 00:17:756 (5) - Non è perfettamente stackato con la coda del 00:17:068 (2). Più che altro ti consiglierei di stackarlo con la testa invece come hai fatto per 00:17:618 (4) che l'hai stackato con la testa dell'(1)
4. 00:18:857 (2) - Dai a questo slider lo stesso spacing con il precedente e il successivo elemento per evitare di confondere i players visto che è il primo improvviso 1/4 repeating slider che usi :\
5. 00:21:747 (4,5) - Penso che questo stack possa confondere facilmente visto che ce n'è stato uno subito prima a 00:21:334 (2,3) - con la grossa differenza che questo è 1/2 e l'altro 1/1 e quindi i players tenderebbero a cliccare subito per consistenza con il precedente come se fosse un 1/2. Opterei per unstackare uno dei due, meglio il (5) come hai fatto con 00:23:398 (4,5). Lo so che è difficile fixare in questo caso visto che è tutto strutturato, ma se non riesci proprio allora unstackerei il (2) invece dallo slider. Il problema l'ho trovato solo qui nella lettura visto che tutti i successivi stack sono più o meno costanti nelle varie porzioni oppure sono due 1/2 stacked circles che non creano problemi rispetto ad uno stack circle/slider (perchè lo slider compare sempre un po' prima e quindi in questi casi può confondere come ti ho detto)
6. 00:49:820 (4) - Ci sono due opzioni qui che ti suggerirei di applicare: 1) Rendere lo slider perfettamente orizzontale come i primi due per consistenza o curvare leggermente gli altri due per rendere il pattern più scorrevole durante il gameplay: https://puu.sh/xpNOU.png quindi il primo diretto leggermente in alto, il secondo in basso e lasciare il (4) com'è in alto
7. 01:10:185 (6) - Renderei l'ultimo tick cliccabile se fossi in te: riducilo di un repeat e aggiungi un circle sul bianco
8. 01:15:965 (2,3,4,5) - Non saprei.. E' un bel pattern senza ombra di dubbio ma per una Hard mi sembra troppo confusionario :\
9. 01:23:121 (4,5) - Questo unstack dal (2) è volontario? Se lo è fatto di proposito opterei per il full stack
10. 01:25:598 (1) - Non dare lo stesso spacing a questo circle che è 1/1 dal precedente slider dal precedente 01:24:497 (3) 's tail - 01:24:772 (4) 's head che sono 1/2. E' un grave errore di spacing a mio avviso
11. 01:38:259 (1) - Questo slider e quest'altro 01:39:360 (1) - dovrebbero essere posizionati più lontano dai precedenti elementi a causa dell'intonazione più alta del piano proprio come hai fatto con i precedenti patterns
12. La mappa è ben fatta solo che non sono un amante di tutti questi stacks per una diff Hard

1. 00:01:105 (1) - Being this a Light Insane consider to add x0.50 green line to be consistent with all the other diffs of the mapset. Moreover using an higher SV than the one used on the harder insane is kinda a contradiction
2. 00:25:738 (6) - Considering the whole pattern 00:24:224 (1,2,3,4,5) this sudden change of spacing kinda confused me @.@ I would reduce it for consistency because I do not see any reason to place this like that
3. 00:32:068 (6,7) - Same above. You could unstack (6) or place these 2 to make the spacing equivalent between the previous and next elements
4. 01:04:956 (5) - (Just a personal taste) since I dislike this long combo being the only one in the map I would set NC on this
5. Beautiful flowing map Priti!

1. Sempre da Aibat: https://puu.sh/xpOo2.png
2. 00:10:187 (2) - (very nazi) Controlla gli stack che non sono perfetti xD Stessa cosa per 00:14:316 (2) -
3. 00:16:793 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - Bel pattern. Per renderlo visivamente più bello che ne dici di mettere una NC su ogni doppia?
4. 00:21:471 (3) - In tutte le successive parti questo circle è distanziato allo stesso modo rispetto al precedente e al successivo circle. Farei lo stesso anche qui per consistenza e migliore giocabilità (questo discorso è diverso per 00:26:288 (2) - perchè c'è un break dopo ed è buono per "rompere" la consecutività del ritmo)
5. 00:39:499 (2,3,4,5) - Trovo che questi due circle 00:39:637 (3,4) - sono un po' scomodi da giocare visto come hai posizionato gli altri 2 elementi. Beh, solo una mia opinione, ma proverei a fare qualcosa di diverso per migliorarne la giocabilità
6. 00:53:123 (4) - Gli darei la stessa direzione dello slider di prima o lo direzionerei verso destra per un miglior flow: https://puu.sh/xpODx.png
7. 01:14:039 (1,2,3) - Amo il modo in cui hai mappato tutti questi sliders xD

1. Da Aibat (ci sono sempre gli stessi unsnapped elements)
2. 00:17:068 (3,4,5,6,7,8) - Non dovrebbe aumentare qui lo spacing invece di diminuire? La melodia aumenta di intensità e le note sono più alte.. Puoi fare un pattern con lo stesso spacing di 00:15:692 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) o diminuirlo gradualmente fino all'ultimo circle (opterei per la prima scelta visto che dovrebbe aumentare in relazione all'intensità della melodia)
3. 00:22:022 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7) - OH WOW WTF ADORO
4. 00:51:471 (4,5,6,7,8,9,1) - Onestamente parlando come player ti direi di usare un 1/8 slider qui invece dello stream perchè essendo la parte più lenta è cancerosissimo cercare di prendere il circle a 00:51:884 (2) dopo quel killing stream
5. 00:56:013 (2) - Muovilo più lontano dallo slider? Mi risulta facilmente confondibile come un 1/4 invece di un 1/2 anche se lo spacing è leggermente più ampo rispetto ai precedenti 1/4. Still ti consiglio di muoverlo più distante per consistenza
6. 01:00:646 (3) - Questo slider lo vedo troppo spinto sulla destra senza ragione e potrebbe causare facilmente uno slider break. Lo muovere più o meno sulla stessa traiettoria del (1) invece per renderlo molto più giocabile e scorrevole
7. 01:01:653 (1,2,3) - Io amo questo tipo di pattern, ma lo trovo scomodo da giocare fatto in questo modo quando lo slider è curvato dalla stessa direzione da cui arriva il cursore e la SV è alta (actually x1.3). Più precisamente diciamo che si connette in maniera molto "spinta" e comoda da giocare dopo il jump tra 01:01:516 (4,1) e il modo in cui lo slider è curvato a destra rende ancora il pattern molto più difficile da giocare dopo il jump
8. 01:04:543 (4,5) - Non so forse è un problema solo mio ma ho confuso per ben due volte il (5) con il (4), cioè mi sembravano apparire in modo inverso.. Forse aggiungere un NC al (5) potrebbe aiutare, anche se mi sembra un po' inutile aggiungerlo visto che sarebbe inconsistente con il resto di questa parte. In tal caso non so, lascialo così o cambialo, ma lo trovo un po' difficile da leggere per il motivo detto prima (cioè che sembra compaiano all'inverso)
9. 01:08:809 (3) - Perchè hai ridotto lo spacing qui? Farei un triangolo perfetto insieme ai precedenti due circle e con lo stesso spacing invece

-NanoRIPE- wrote:

hey

[insane]
00:37:985 (3) - the lyric "siimPAI" looks strong here so why not to unstack it instead? I use the movement between objects to catch that. It's a different way to interpret it since I focus more on vocals than drums. You can see the connection between 00:37:985 (3,4,5,6) - which is on vocals
01:19:405 (3,4) - ctrl g this? cuz i got confused when i tried to catch the pattern here (maybe it caused the overlapping between 01:18:718 (3,3) - ) I believe it was a misread, because both those triangles are the same rhythm in the song, repeated with just a mirrored pattern. If you listen to the song while playing you should be able to read that without many problems

[extra]
01:11:561 (1,2,3) - even though the SV set up to low but i think it would be intereseting if you can avoid the overlap/make a small jump on it ~ I live overlaps tho <3

sorry i can't help much xd this mapset is pretty well mapped ~
GL and take some stars ~

Lasse wrote:

priti's ultra
00:03:788 (3,1) - yes, finally a diff that maps it like that Because i'm a goddess :^)
00:56:150 (3,4) - "jump" seems a bit out place cause everything is so consistent musically and you had even space for similar things There's a voice crack there, which I felt like I should emphasize. Also it flows really nicely.

Lasse wrote:

prefer chata's touhou stuff tbh, still cute song though cause chata is cute

did the timing discussion for this ever come to a conclusion? I only vaguely followed it it did and we concluded that since the editor doesn't allow for 6/8 signature and we can't do x2/3 BPM and use 4/4 metronome (this gives a 145.333.... BPM), we should keep it like this

01:00:828 - inconsistent red/green line settings ops

ex
00:03:719 (5) - piano on 00:03:788 (6,1) - stands out way more, I think mapping this passively would express the song better https://i.imgur.com/LV89g3K.jpg or maybe even just ignoring it the triplet is meant more of "bump" for the last beat of the triple there tho.
It feels kinda off if I don't make it clickable like that :/
01:01:516 (4) - feels out of place cause you focus on vocals before but this is just?? that little circle is meant to give a proper emphasis on 01:01:653 (1) - and the next pattern. I personally am not a huge fan of it, so if you have a better choice for this I'm all for it. Consider that spacing should be small between 01:01:240 (3,4) - otherwise the next combo becomes awkward
01:06:974 (2,3,4) - these are quite underwhelming, would've liked to see the a bit spaced, overall 1/3 in the kiai seemed a bit like that to me increased spacing for this one and the next one. The other ones seem already quite spaced
01:14:039 (1,2,3,1,2,3,1) - you should probably use 1/6 for these extended ones to match the songs musical structure better
same probably goes for all your other extended sliders too slider ends weren't even supposed to be part of the rhythm, that's why they are silenced lol. I calculated and there is just 20ms of difference if I make them on the 1/6, but I believe it is rather pointless in the big picture since as I said,
my aim was removing the slider ends and get the holding feel from their bodies. I couldn't care less about their tails lol (not sure if it is even noticeable in gameplay, I gotta try it out)
similarly 01:12:387 (1,1,1,1) - should then be 1/6 or 1/12 ? ^

I guess if we can have ranked 360 bpm streams and all that stuff we can also have this, especially since they are implemented in a very player friendly way and "only" 327
I can hardly map an Expert on this without those anyway, since the song is relatively simple (and I hate jump fests)

insane
00:03:444 (4,5) - ^ ah, ye, I guess it's the same here :/
00:16:793 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - was a bit suprised to see an increasing pattern when extra does the opposite I was expecting you to comment on the Expert about these tbh xD.
I used something more complex on the top diff, while I wanted it to not make it too harsh on reading in these simple parts for the Insane. I mean, I could change spacing to go the other way around, but the difference in movement is barely noticeable since those are more than half stacked
00:19:270 (1,2,3,4,5,6) - seems a bit lacking with how song builds up, why not use a concept similar to top diff? well, a couple of modders pointed that out already and I agree it feels empty


hard
01:06:057 (2,3,4,5) - somehow way harder than light insane lol damn, you got me. That part was firstly mapped with sliders but when I finished the diff I realized Hard-Insane was too big of a gap so I tried to raise it like that :^). Fixed
01:35:506 (2,3,1) - feels a bit out of place cause you don't overlap anything else in this part well, technically the sound on that slider is different than the others, it's more quiet and grave but I can't really change only that if I don't change the whole section, which I'd rather avoid @.@


easy
00:13:490 (1,2,3) - why no symmetry here too :c alright, changed the pattern before this one to match it :^)
00:30:829 (1) - could be a bit less clumped together for easy cause simple shapes for beginners, like https://i.imgur.com/0LV5cGu.jpg looks nice
fine but couldve used right side of the playfield a bit more in comparison lol holy, I didn't even realize that

normal is fine

peaceGiant wrote:

Oh wow, Avena's diff is really good! some suggestions

• Can you stack 01:13:489 (5) - with 01:13:213 (4) - ) The movement from 01:13:213 - to 01:13:489 (5) - doesn't really represent the song well (feels overmapped), i think stacking the slider makes for interesting interpretation of the song and overall goes with your concept. I can't understand the reasoning behind your suggestion, it's perfectly fine and logical as it is.
• 01:30:552 (1) - this slider seems really symmetrical to 01:27:250 (1) - ) Try to break that symmetry and give a bit of emphasis to those sliders (01:30:552 (1) - 01:33:855 (1) - 01:37:158 (1) - ). For example add more spacing and use one slider type for each section (straight sliders then curved sliders etc), You might also want to decrease the sv a bit for every section, as I see you don't really use sv that often, at least lower the sv for 01:37:158 (1,2,3,4) -
(for sections i refer to as - 01:27:250 (1,2,3) - 01:30:552 (1,2,3) - etc) The sounds are consistent and the volume doesn't decrease, no justification for SV changes.

Then again these are just suggestions based on my persona, Good luck with the mapset!

VINXIS wrote:

the rhythm isnt even difficult tho it just feels like i need to be XI or mithew to be able to play a few patterns that are super fast and slightly congested too in order to FC when i could SS the rest which feels like the speed of a ~218 bpm map

it feels pretty cockblocky/distasteful when an S/SS goes to a B cuz of som sneaky bursts ; /

VINXIS wrote:

ok,,,,,,,,,,,

MrSergio wrote:

It feels overdone, and I get that, but can any of you at least suggest something instead of just "ha, it doesn't work"?

MrSergio wrote:

Their frequency was low because I thought they were indeed hard and didn't want to overdo it. Nonetheless I wanted to make it difficult somehow since otherwise there wouldn't have been any point in the whole diff.

MrSergio wrote:

Pretty sure you guys also missed the real point of the diff, which isn't the 1/6 bursts themselves but rather the presence of unusual snaps. If you check the Insane I am pretty sure I avoided any clickable out of the ordinary snap (I might have used a couple of clickable 1/3 tho, I don't remember exactly).

You should look at the progression of the set instead:
Hard: moderate 1/2 usage
Light Insane: slightly more intense 1/2
Insane: full usage of 1/2
Expert: full usage of the song (which entails 1/6 and 1/3)

I am referring to waht you click, so just circles, not sliders

peaceGiant wrote:

Hello MrSergio!

I just want to write my opinion on the highest difficulty, because I too agree it feels overdone.

First off the 1/6 streams aren't even that important in the song, they are unique in the beginning but after that they are a lost cause. Important sounds should be emphasized accordingly to the song, and these streams don't do a good job of that, where in some case you have repeats and in some cases obnoxiously annoying streams.

Why are they annoying?

• No similarity between the same sounds. (00:22:022 (1,2,3,4,5,6) - is similar to 00:23:673 (1,2,3,4) - and 00:25:325 (2) - ) How do you decide what objects you use in similar patterns?
• Doesn't represent the music well. (This is the case the discussion is held for, and I think most people find that inappropriate, you decide)
• Their Seemingly random presence.

Taking 00:20:921 (1,2,3,4,5,1,2,3,4,5,6,7) - , they are all part of a musical stanza, but the first combo is focused on vocals, the second one (the one with the 1/6 stream) is on instruments, hence why it's a different combo.
Taking 00:24:224 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3) - you have the NC (00:25:049 (1) - ) on a vocal and the entire combo is on vocals, that's why the stream is passively mapped to a repeat slider instead, to keep the "hold" feeling on vocals. Same "hold" feeling I use later on for 01:14:039 (1,2,3) - and stuff, just not on vocals).
Since you also didn't point it out, let me clarify why 00:40:187 (2,3) - are not a stream: I guess you can hear the violins that divide such stream in exactly half.
Mapping them as a stream would have lost this detail.

MrSergio wrote:

It feels overdone, and I get that, but can any of you at least suggest something instead of just "ha, it doesn't work"?

If you want to continue using repeat sliders, consider nerfing 1/6 streams to 1/3 streams, or vice versa, converting repeats to 1/6 (in which the difficulty would be insanely hard to play and wouldn't follow the song's intensity )
A lot of people gave you suggestions, but you seem to ignored them for "It's an expert, it should be more difficult than my insane" - No, If the song doesn't call for that, making unnecessary additional changes seem dumb.

Try the 1/3 rhythm and tell me how it sounds (spoiler: it sucks)
As for the supposed suggestion you say people gave me: VINXIS and Kaifin simply told me to remove them, from what I could infer. Weber told me to instead do the opposite, which is increasing the amount of 1/6 streams.
Both of these opinions are ignoring what I did (reasoning above ^). If anyone thinks that just "please delete/add" is enough of a suggestion I'd rather ask you to check the map once more and try understanding it (this is not referred to you in specific)

MrSergio wrote:

Their frequency was low because I thought they were indeed hard and didn't want to overdo it. Nonetheless I wanted to make it difficult somehow since otherwise there wouldn't have been any point in the whole diff.

If there is no point in the difficulty then why having it?

why not?
Pretty sure stupid anime jump maps get ranked regardless and they have even less meaning. You should also know I don't do things just because by now
but it looks like the appeal of drama is too big right now

MrSergio wrote:

Pretty sure you guys also missed the real point of the diff, which isn't the 1/6 bursts themselves but rather the presence of unusual snaps. If you check the Insane I am pretty sure I avoided any clickable out of the ordinary snap (I might have used a couple of clickable 1/3 tho, I don't remember exactly).

You should look at the progression of the set instead:
Hard: moderate 1/2 usage
Light Insane: slightly more intense 1/2
Insane: full usage of 1/2
Expert: full usage of the song (which entails 1/6 and 1/3)

I am referring to waht you click, so just circles, not sliders

If insane uses 1/2's and consistently does that, your experts should be more intense by adding 1/6 streams that are confusing to play because their presence and intensity? You at least should've introduced the pattern with repeats and 1/3s.

the song does that, so I don't see how that's inappropriate. I should have used 1/3 in Insane if ever, but that sucks because it's unnatural to skip half of the beats in a stream just for the sake of introducing the concept

I personally dislike the expert difficulty (for it's intensity), it has good structure and interesting flow, but overall unnecessary streams.
Example of unnecessary stream with weak and unclear sounds 00:53:123 (4,5,6,7,8,9) - which would benefit from 1/3s.

The part after this starts picking up pace, so it works as a buildup. That is not the only 1/6 section in that part but the other ones were using repeat sliders for movement requirements: if I were to add streams for 00:49:820 (4) - 00:51:471 (4) - , I wonder how players will be able to even hit the next squares coming after that. It would be a mess and THAT would be unnecessary diff spike.
After 00:53:123 (4,5,6,7,8,9) - I have a slider + the song starts picking up pace so that's more than enough to not make it stand out as unnecessary.
00:56:426 (5) - this one falls within the first group, simply because of the square after it.

If someone wants to suggest something they should do so on these things, which I just explained. I can understand if that is not so great in anyone's eyes but not even working on my concepts tilts me to no end, because I have reasoning and no one seemingly bothers to actually look at it.
I just imagine someone playing my map, finds the streams and fails on them, looks for them in the editor really quickly and can't understand why, then comes on the thread to complain they suck and what not.
Correct me if that's not what happened, but I wonder why I doubt about that... seeing the comments so far.

Thank you for reading this post with my opinions, I hope it helps.