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Mentai

Joined June 2016

Mentai 2017-07-13T08:28:31+00:00

-[ Prxzm ]- wrote:
[notice]N A O T A I ' S N O R M A L

Comments:
There's a drastic difference in flow technique between the start and rest of the map. I left a large paragraph detailing it inside the mod. There are some very weird NC decisions during the chorus, too many to point out. I pointed out the main ones, but I recommend going back and fixing combos using the comment I left in the Hard difficulty mod.

NCing was done every 2 big white ticks because i think it works better in this level of difficulty imo

Mod:

• 00:58:653 (2) - Make this a 1/2 slider to match the vocals a bit better, then add a circle where the slider end currently is. ur right

RVMathew wrote:
Mentai's Normal
1) 00:52:014 (5,6,7) - The distance between 5 and 6 is way different compared to 6 and 7. Please fix. fixed this for nao and moved my combo a bit

fixed some other symmetry later on because mathew made me self-conscious (and also a blanket)

thank

k

osu file format v14

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Title:Duet
TitleUnicode:Duet
Artist:Skytree
ArtistUnicode:Skytree
Creator:Naotoshi
Version:Naotai's Normal
Source:Hachi Hachi
Tags:kibbleru mentai yahuri mir rhythm video game
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Mir

osu! Alumni

2,151 posts

Joined July 2016

Mir 2017-07-13T09:07:27+00:00

uhhh i didn't actually mean it when i said i was gonna deny everything but i'm gonna deny everything after all because a lot of it is pretty minor and what i have right now is fine, the only things worth changing were from timemon's mod about 00:39:105 (3,4) which nao changed for some stupid reason and from Firist Mudlud about 00:58:777 (3,4) and idk about the triples that was Nao's idea, I just did it to be consistent

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256,192,117055,12,0,122834,0:2:0:0:

also nao fix the damn aimod things

Nao Tomori

Nomination Assessment Team

3,089 posts

Joined December 2014

Topic Starter

Nao Tomori 2017-07-13T10:14:50+00:00

RVMathew wrote:
Part 2 of the m4m deal. I lost some previous mod stuff due to my computer crashing but I think I should remember them all.
General:
Fix AI mod issues ie. tags, uninherited timing points being in conflict with other diffs
Consider adding combo colours.
I think the first 3 diffs have not been fully hitsounded yet.

Kibbtoshi's Easy
1) 00:03:796 (5,1) - Overlap does not look nice. There are 3 ways to rectify this.
a) Remove the overlap; place 00:04:332 (1) underneath 00:03:260 (4). You get a back and forth pattern.
b) Tuck the slider underneath the slidertail of 00:02:189 (3) and create a blanket between 1 and 00:03:260 (4). You get a triangular movement.
c) Shift 00:01:118 (1,2,3,4,5,1) to the left. You can keep the current pattern while removing the overlap.

2) 00:15:046 (2,3) - distance between them is too close. Please fix. no it isnt
3) 00:26:441 (1) - Remove the middle point to have a straight slider. This makes it parallel with 00:24:474 (2) - and it looks nicer that way.
4) 00:48:571 (3,4) - Remove the blanket because it does not look nice. That said the blanket is a bit off.
5) 01:21:522 (4,5,6) - Make this pattern symmetrical. After that 01:22:997 (6,7) Don't make a blanket like that. Place 7 in a different area.
6) 01:46:112 (1,2) - Blanket is a bit off too here. its ok

Mentai's Normal
1) 00:52:014 (5,6,7) - The distance between 5 and 6 is way different compared to 6 and 7. Please fix.

Naohuri's Hard
1) 00:16:118 (4,5) -
Idea. As the music starts to slow down, perhaps slow down slider 4 to reflect the slowdown of the music. Maybe add a timing point with 0.9x SV or something. meh theres already a bpm change slowing it down, no need here, it'd have to be a big change to have any visual impact but thats a no-no on hards i guess
2) 00:23:244 (5,6,7) - Distances here are quite different. Intentional? It would make sense for the distance from 5 and 6 to be closer compared to 6 and 7. made the jumps make a bit more sense
3) 00:26:933 (2,3,4,5) - This bit though! Must have been a mistake here. If not this seems way too out of place considering that you don't do this anywhere else in the map. Please fix if it is a mistake. intended for vocal emphasis.
4) 00:41:441 (2,3) - Supposed to be a blanket? If so it is not done right.
5) 01:00:375 (3,4,5,6,7,8) - The parallelogram pattern looks off thanks to the triple stacks.
6) 01:06:031 (2) - Try splitting this into 2 notes. It plays better that way. If you do this, then stack the 2nd note on top of 01:06:400 (3). Applies to 01:39:474 (2). this doesn't follow the sound right tho
7) 01:14:637 (3,4,5,6,7) - Pattern looks off.

The last diff feels fine to me.

Overall, there is a lot of polishing that needs to be done, and please fix the hitsounds for the first 3 diffs.
Good luck. White Halwa is delicious.

-[ Prxzm ]- wrote:
Song choice is terrible 0/10 choose new song kds please.

Mod
M I R T O S H I ' S E X T R E M E

Comments:
Mirtoshi's Extreme? More like Mirtoshi's Extremely boring. This beatmap is like most of my ex-girlfriends: Aesthetically attractive but lacks any personality or substance. And it's even lacking in aesthetics. We've seen better days in the life of Naotoshi. I still love you though.
Jokes aside, the map itself is aesthetically nice and the flow is smooth for the most part, though there are a few places in the map where the flow shifts for seemingly no reason. I have pointed them out and given recommendations, though ultimately it is your decision on whether you fix them or how you fix them. The map is pretty nice as it is.

Mod:
• This is more of an Insane diff rather than an "Extreme" diff. Even as far as SR goes, in DT it doesn't reach 5.25*. Change to "Mirtoshi's Insane" no this is the diff name scheme from the game this song is from
• Look at AI Mod.
• 00:14:778 (3,4) - Not really a rankability issue moreso a flow/aesthetic issue. Since this map is really easy even in DT you can get away with it, but it causes a slightly uncomfortable snap in the wrist that changes direction extremely suddenly from the rest of the map, then goes back to being the same direction the rest of the map has been. If there was a subtle lead up to the directional change and if it weren't for just one note, it'd be easy to ignore, but this is an unnecessary change. I recommend changing the direction of the slider, though that would get rid of the aesthetic you were going for with the following slider. If you move the circle before it slightly northwest on the grid, you can move the slider to the sliderend of (6) and have a similar aesthetic whilst still changing the direction of the slider.
• 00:49:555 (7,1) - Good blanket. <3
• 00:57:424 (6,7,8,9,1) - No point in NCing the stream's end. NC the start of the stream (6) and delete the NC at the end.
• 01:05:047 (4,5) - This is extremely aesthetically displeasing. This style works on the rest of your sliders because they're small sliders, but on big sliders like this it just looks horrid. Considering you have a blanket of (3) to (5) already (a very nice blanket at that), move the circle northeast (preferably to x376 y192) to get rid of the ugly overlap whilst still keeping in flow with the map. i think it looks fine lol, i moved the circle to line up tho
• 01:05:293 (5) - Very awkward directional flow change, though since the map is easy even in DT you can get away with it. If you do want to change it, though, just ctrl+h, ctrl+j the slider and relocate it.That would be the most pleasing change for flow, though for aesthetics (to keep that marvelous blanket) just ctrl+h, ctrl+shift+r, and relocate. Move the previous circle accordingly, of course.
• 01:22:014 (3,5,6,8) - These are all really cluttered. With HR it's not really much of a problem, but the AR by itself and even somewhat with DT raises a readability problem. I recommend slightly increasing the AR, though you could also just move the circles (not recommended).
• 01:32:096 (4,5,6) - Kind of an awkward flow from the previous duplet. I recommend an entire remap of just these three notes, then moving circles that are directly effected by the change accordingly. Personally, I would start the triplet on x72 y184 and have it move southeast. This creates the same zig-zag jumping pattern with an added subtle change to directional flow to introduce the following section.
• 01:47:096 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1) - I like this very much. It is quite musically accurate and a great artistic choice.
• 01:54:474 (5,6,1) - Ugly. My recommendation would be to move the duplet underneath the sliderend, though that wouldn't thematically match the rest of the section, so I'll leave the decision to you. Just find a way to move the duplet to where it's not a weird slanted devilish triangle of some sort.
• 01:54:965 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,1,1) - Great way to end the map! :3

N A O H U R I ' S H A R D

Comments:
The flow of the map is really nice, though at the end it seems like you guys kinda just gave up on properly utilizing combos and threw them wherever. I pointed out all of the combo errors that I could catch, but there might be more. I'd go through and check combos again, making sure they're starting after rests and continuing throughout a measure either until the next rest or until the end of a long note, and especially not starting on the downbeat of the measure.

Mod:
• 00:13:439 (7,8,9) - This is aesthetically displeasing. I recommend making the 8 go under rather than over. Either that or just have it a straight line, though that'd be boring.
• 00:17:346 (5) - I personally feel like newer players can't catch onto speed changes that well and would get frustrated at constantly hitting a 50 here, though I could be undervaluing them. It's not unrankable and doesn't seem like too much of a problem, so I leave this entirely up to your discretion. If you do change it, making the start of (4) a circle and the end of it the start of a slider that ends on the (5) would be a good change. they can look at the approach circle, they wont get a 50 if they do that
• 00:23:736 (6,7) - I know this is only a hard diff, but don't undervalue newbies this much. NC (6) and make its distance further away from the end of (5).
• 00:24:474 (1,2,3) - This is all musically incorrect. The best change I can recommend is NCing (1), putting a much quieter hitsound at the sliderend of (2), and cutting the size of (3) by half with another quiet sliderend, furthermore adding a 1/2 slider where the sliderend of (3) currently is. You have (3) ending on a strong beat and (4) on a soft beat. rhythm simplification like this is fine in a lower difficulty, making everything clickable just devlve into massive 1/2 spam that doesn't follw anything clearly
• 00:24:719 (2) - Aesthetically displeasing. Move slightly east.
• 00:32:342 (1) - Increase distance between the previous slider and this.
• 00:38:736 (2) - Either NC this or put a distance change. This is a completely new section and it should be emphasized as such.
• 00:38:736 (2,3) - I recommend starting this section on a 1/2 slider with a circle at the end of it. A strong vocal is sounded in the middle of the slider and it's very noticeable. I understand that new players shouldn't be given too much at once (in this sense duplets or kicksliders), though when you add a duplet slider in this section 00:41:687 (2,3,1) - it should also be given in the previous section to keep consistent, especially when you mapped this duplet over nothing whilst the other section could be mapped over something. the 2nd one follows drums and this one i don't hear any vocal in the middle,
it's one syllable
• 00:58:408 (2) - NC or add a distance change.
• 01:03:818 (1) - Change the direction of this slider (ctrl+j), both for flow and aesthetic purposes.
• 01:13:162 (3) - NC.
• 01:19:064 (5) - NC.
• 01:19:555 (1) - This shouldn't need to be NC'd if (5) was a new combo.
• 01:21:031 (6) - NC.
• 01:21:523 (1) - Don't NC this.
• 01:22:260 (2) - NC.
• 01:27:424 (1,2,3) - This is ugly. Change the direction of the duplet or place it underneath the slider.
• 01:28:900 (4) - NC
• 01:29:392 (1) - Don't NC.
• 01:43:900 (3) - This slider isn't centered properly and it's very noticeable. Move the center joint slightly and it'll be fixed.

N A O T A I ' S N O R M A L

Comments:
There's a drastic difference in flow technique between the start and rest of the map. I left a large paragraph detailing it inside the mod. There are some very weird NC decisions during the chorus, too many to point out. I pointed out the main ones, but I recommend going back and fixing combos using the comment I left in the Hard difficulty mod.

Mod:
• 00:12:368 (4) - New Combo.
• 00:17:503 (1) - (I just picked the break between the two sections, this has nothing to do with the spinner). So, in this case this is mainly just a personal preference, but as I preach often, especially to new mappers (not calling you new mappers just saying I often find myself saying this to new mappers), is that a map's style shouldn't change, even if the song's style changes. What I mean is, if you choose to primarily follow a linear, snappy flow, then the entire map should be a linear, snappy flow; if you choose the latter, a curvy, natural flow, then the entire map should be such. Your map starts out very linear then suddenly changes to a curvy flow. It's not much of a problem because it's a lower difficulty and doesn't require high speed or precision, but flow consistency should still be put into practice across all difficulties. I recommend remapping the beginning of the song to stay consistent with the rest of the map. i completely disagree. the song is totally different with regard to instrument composition, there is 0 reason for the map to be the same considering how different the song is
• 00:36:276 (3,4,5) - This is very beautiful and fine as it is, I love it, but it might be a bit more beautiful if you make (5) a straight slider whilst still keeping it right between (3) and (4). Either way, I love it.
• 00:41:440 (5) - New Combo.
• 00:42:178 (1) - Should not be a New Combo.
• 00:43:407 (2) - New Combo.
• 00:58:653 (2) - Make this a 1/2 slider to match the vocals a bit better, then add a circle where the slider end currently is.
• 01:08:735 (5) - New Combo.
• 01:24:473 (6) - New Combo.
• 01:56:932 (1) - This note is very noticeably off rhythm.

K I B B I T O S H I ' S E A S Y

Comments:
I hate modding easy diffs. They're so slow and boring. T^T Just fix all the ugly overlaps pretty much.

Mod:
• 00:03:260 (4,1) - Ugly overlap.
• 00:04:332 (1,2) - Blanket these.
• 00:08:082 (5,6) - Ugly overlap.
• 00:16:118 (3) - Ctrl+J this slider then relocate it.
• 00:22:505 (1,2) - Ugly overlap.
• 00:31:850 (3) - This slider is horribly out of place in a musical sense. It starts on a very weak note and ends on a weak note. I recommend making it a 1/1 slider to keep in rhythm with the hitsound pattern going on then NCing the (4).
• 00:36:276 (3) - Add a spinner between all of this empty space to keep the map interesting and to give new players training on them. Make sure it ends 1/1 before the next note. recovery time on easies is 4/1 =D
• 00:59:883 (4,1) - Ugly overlap.
• 01:10:702 (2,1) - Ugly overlap.
• 01:21:522 (4,5,6,7) - This is all such a very beautiful combo. I love it!
• 01:36:769 (6,1) - Ugly overlap.
• 01:56:933 (1) - Circle is off rhythm. Technically the circle should be on the blue tick after it.

thanks for modding!

Yahuri

1,400 posts

Joined July 2014

Yahuri 2017-07-13T10:56:31+00:00

i believe nao shouldve answered whatever was on our diff

rip

osu file format v14

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DistanceSpacing: 1
BeatDivisor: 4
GridSize: 4
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Title:Duet
TitleUnicode:Duet
Artist:Skytree
ArtistUnicode:Skytree
Creator:Naotoshi
Version:Naohuri's Hard
Source:Hachi Hachi
Tags:kibbleru mentai yahuri mir rhythm video game
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446,186,98023,1,0,0:0:0:0:
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274,282,99253,5,0,0:0:0:0:
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218,293,102449,1,0,0:0:0:0:
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Pachiru

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Pachiru 2017-07-13T10:59:48+00:00

[Easy]

00:24:499 (2,2) - making this like this is not really beautiful but its just personnal, like you could move it on the right side of the grid, to diversify the position of the notes but wtvrrrrr
00:36:301 (3) - aaaaa maybe moving this note elsewhere, like this: https://puu.sh/wIsfh/4e9de04129.png
01:39:252 (3) - the idea of this slider is wow, but the visual look a bit messy, like the beginner player will be "OMG wat I do" why not making something more "clear" with curves??
01:45:153 (3,4) - maybe lmoving this note xddd because it overlaps and stuiff
01:44:170 (2,3,4,1,2) - in fact this part looks a bit broken, maybe thats a bug?

[norma]

00:30:399 (1,2,3) - the angle of the move here is a bit weird to play
01:29:416 (3,4,5) - same here, i feel like the angle here is too sharp, since the music is oefzjefjzeoifcooooool and smooth, try to avoid sharp moves like u did here

[hard]

00:24:007 (7,1,2) - here i would put more spacing between 7 & 1 instead of 1 &2 because the strong beat is on the 1
00:38:269 (1) - wwhy not making more spacing here, to show that's a strong beat + new part of the song

[insane]

00:23:268 (5) - that sounds weird here with the ending on a 1/4 + the hitsounds tbh
01:08:268 (3,4) - maybe i would add more spacing on those two notes
01:23:268 (8,9,1) - in my opinion, a triplet like this might be quite hard follow + compared to the hard diff, it became really hard by using triplet lke this
01:24:498 (4,5,6,7) - why not making a crescendo spacing here ? that would sounds better no
01:50:809 (7,8,1) - try to keep the spacing same during all the part, because you did it different there : 01:56:711 (8,9,1) - and bfore

woww gg great song great mapper woooooo /dance

Nao Tomori

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Nao Tomori 2017-07-13T11:13:46+00:00

insane: triple is fine cuz we've been setting up giant spaced triples everywhere in the map
easy: i think the straight lines work better to show the division of the song

everything else fixed

Bonsai

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Bonsai 2017-07-13T14:38:43+00:00

Timing was almost fine already, just the first signature being as far off as possible and also the general offset being ~30ms early but yeah

[TimingPoints]
2250,535.876962649376,4,2,1,40,1,0
15646,575.539568345324,4,2,1,40,1,0
16797,612.244897959184,4,2,1,40,1,0
17409,625,4,2,1,40,1,0
18034,652.173913043478,4,2,1,40,1,0
18686,645.939195590388,4,2,1,40,1,0
22561,491.803278688525,4,2,1,70,1,0
115020,508.474576271186,4,2,1,70,1,0
116545,533.333333333333,4,2,1,70,1,0
117078,533.333333333333,4,2,1,70,1,0

oh also I'd let that spinner in the lower diffs end on the 1/8 at 00:20:866 which is almost exactly the middle of what you have in E&N versus H lol

edit: hadn't looked at the ending, managed to keep the reverse-sliders in the lower diffs alive with adding two/three timing points there~

Last edited by Bonsai 2017-07-14T13:25:45+00:00, edited 1 time in total.

vekt0r

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vekt0r 2017-07-14T03:37:51+00:00

m4m
i'll try to do the other one pretty soon

there should just be a slower timing section starting at 01:56:495 - or something for all diffs, rather than inconsistencies on where the last note is
also just change the first timing point to 112 bpm

mirtoshi:
pretty minor, but imo it would look better if your overlaps had the same amount of spacing
00:28:954 (2,3,4) - hmm i think this pattern is good for emphasis, so using it in some places in the kiai might be a good idea
00:54:774 (4,5,6) - move this a little bottom-right to stay consistent with overlap concept
01:03:134 (6,7,8) - 7 is stronger than 8 by far; maybe move it left of the slider
01:08:790 (1) - might want to increase spacing
01:20:101 (3,4,5) - slightly uneven, but i personally like making 3-4 1x ds to continue the pattern from before
in the second half of the kiai the map switched from putting spaced triples on the downbeat to putting them on beat 3; idk why though since nothing changed

naohuri:
00:13:503 (7,8,9) - small thing; it looks better if you put these in a line or make the curve shallower
01:25:511 (1) - maybe add a jump here; ds in kiai seems too constant imo
01:11:741 (1,2) - this also has a snare and triple like at 01:15:675 (1,2,3,4,5) -, so i don’t think they should be mapped so differently
01:56:987 (1) - idk you could blanket the last curve here

naotai:
the varying slider angles in the intro look visually messy; for example 00:04:393 (6,2) - is off parallel, and the next section uses sliders that are tilted only 2 degrees or something
also notes look too close imo, plus increasing ds wouldn’t hurt spread
00:32:397 (6,8) - these aren’t parallel
00:34:364 (1,2) - these vertical sliders clash with the style of the previous sliders
01:09:774 (1) - powerful vocal in the middle should be clickable, like 01:25:511 (1,2) -

kibbtoshi:
00:31:905 (3) - make downbeat clickable? also a lot of other downbeats i personally think should definitely be clickable
00:40:265 - i think starting a 3/2 slider here instead of on the next piano note makes more sense
01:15:675 (1) - curve/blanket looks a bit off
01:24:036 (7,1) - this spacing is arguably more confusing than perfect stacking
01:26:495 (2) - different from other curved sliders; also doesn’t blanket right

ye nice mapset; good luck!

Nao Tomori

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Nao Tomori 2017-07-14T06:08:46+00:00

vekt0r wrote:
m4m
i'll try to do the other one pretty soon

there should just be a slower timing section starting at 01:56:495 - or something for all diffs, rather than inconsistencies on where the last note is
also just change the first timing point to 112 bpm

mirtoshi:
pretty minor, but imo it would look better if your overlaps had the same amount of spacing whatever
00:28:954 (2,3,4) - hmm i think this pattern is good for emphasis, so using it in some places in the kiai might be a good idea but i only use this pattern outside of kiai cuz kiai is different part of the song
00:54:774 (4,5,6) - move this a little bottom-right to stay consistent with overlap concept thats in my part not mirs
01:03:134 (6,7,8) - 7 is stronger than 8 by far; maybe move it left of the slider
01:08:790 (1) - might want to increase spacing
01:20:101 (3,4,5) - slightly uneven, but i personally like making 3-4 1x ds to continue the pattern from before
in the second half of the kiai the map switched from putting spaced triples on the downbeat to putting them on beat 3; idk why though since nothing changed
cuz mir didnt pay attention to where i put mine and then when he went back and added his he put them on the wrong place :3 but its a collab so we dont need any consistency so its ok =DDD
naohuri:
00:13:503 (7,8,9) - small thing; it looks better if you put these in a line or make the curve shallower doxastic
01:25:511 (1) - maybe add a jump here; ds in kiai seems too constant imo
01:11:741 (1,2) - this also has a snare and triple like at 01:15:675 (1,2,3,4,5) -, so i don’t think they should be mapped so differently 2nd 1 is much higher pitch therefore mapped more densely
01:56:987 (1) - idk you could blanket the last curve here

naotai:
the varying slider angles in the intro look visually messy; for example 00:04:393 (6,2) - is off parallel, and the next section uses sliders that are tilted only 2 degrees or something
also notes look too close imo, plus increasing ds wouldn’t hurt spread
00:32:397 (6,8) - these aren’t parallel
00:34:364 (1,2) - these vertical sliders clash with the style of the previous sliders cuz it's a new part, very intrusive in the song
01:09:774 (1) - powerful vocal in the middle should be clickable, like 01:25:511 (1,2) -

kibbtoshi:
00:31:905 (3) - make downbeat clickable? also a lot of other downbeats i personally think should definitely be clickable
00:40:265 - i think starting a 3/2 slider here instead of on the next piano note makes more sense
01:15:675 (1) - curve/blanket looks a bit off
01:24:036 (7,1) - this spacing is arguably more confusing than perfect stacking they are literally not on the screen at the same time ever
01:26:495 (2) - different from other curved sliders; also doesn’t blanket right

ye nice mapset; good luck!

thanks for modding

-Sh1n1-

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-Sh1n1- 2017-07-14T08:57:32+00:00

Yahallo guys~~

General

The last spinner/slider at all diffs scared me, don't you want to finish all diffs at the same time? I know there are different mappers on this set but what are you following to finish your last spin on 02:02:888 -? (higuest diff as an example.)

Kibbtoshi's Easy

00:10:824 (2) - it's touching the hp bar, also I wanna point out that this part of the screen is overcharged, if you were going to the left (00:07:072 (3,4,1) -), why did u return to the right with 00:10:824 (2) -? additional, I don't know what are you trying to do with 00:08:680 (4,1,2) -, if you tried a triangle, 00:10:824 (2) - should be moved a bit to the right, also isn't it better a blanket between 00:08:680 (4,2) -?
00:38:298 (1,2,3,4,1,2) - I can't understand at all what are you trying to follow here? is it a mix between vocal and piano? alternating between 1/1 and 1/2 is hard to read for newbies, also following your next patterns, I strongly suggest you to follow 1/1 only, another thing that triggered me is 00:43:462 (2) -, following your previous patterns, shouldn't it be at 00:43:708 - to keep consistency with 00:38:298 (1,2) - and 00:40:265 (3,4) -? It's only an suggestion but what do you think about cutting 00:38:298 (1) - at 00:38:790 -, removing 00:39:774 (2) - and add a slider from 00:39:282 - to 00:39:774 -, then remove 00:41:741 (4) - and add reverse to 00:40:265 (3) -, 00:42:233 (1,2) - should be changed into two 1/1 sliders too. I know that you are trying to follow vocal but a little bit of variation as you did on 00:56:003 (2,3) - could be cool.
00:46:167 (1,2) - this is too confusing, what are you following at 00:47:397 -?, What do you think about two 1/1 sliders at 00:46:167 - and 1 note at 00:48:134 -.
00:57:970 (1,2) - I know that you want to add variation and avoid a lot of reverses but as I told you, alternating between 1/1 and 1/2 is confusing for newbies, that's why I think that 00:56:003 (2,3) - is a nice variation here and maybe you could add more 1/1 sliders.
01:39:282 (3) - sliders should be simple at lower diffs cause it will be too hard to read for newcomers, also it should end at 01:40:757 - cause 01:41:249 - is a strong sound and deserve something clickeable
depends of what do you think about my previous point, 01:41:987 (4) - is too confusing, it might looks nicer at 01:42:233 - imo.
01:45:183 (3,4,2) - the overlap looks bad uwu but it's not a huge problem, my main doubt is the distance between 01:42:724 (1,2,3,4,1) -, why 0.90x if you were using 1.00x

Naotai's Normal

00:05:197 (6) - remove this note for consistency with 00:08:680 (3,4) -
00:40:265 (4) - and 00:42:233 (1) -, I know that you are following vocal but transition between 00:40:265 (4,5) - and 00:42:233 (1,2) - is weird, maybe cause 00:41:741 - and 00:43:708 - were a sound clickeable on previous patterns, what do you think about moving 00:41:495 (5) - to 00:41:249 -, removing 00:41:987 (6) - and adding one slider from 00:41:741 - to 00:41:987 -, same suggestion to 00:43:462 (2) - for consistency.
00:45:675 (7,1) - 00:53:052 (7,1) - 00:57:479 (8,1) - 01:00:921 (6,1) - etc, this kind of stacks are weird for this difficult imo, specially cause distance between notes are 1/1 only.
The previous point was in general but talking about one specific stack, 01:23:052 (4,5,6) - looks inconsistent cause 01:23:052 - and 01:24:036 - are very similar, that's why I recommend you to avoid stack between 01:23:052 (4,5) - cause adding stack between 01:23:544 (5,6) - will make this part looks messy.
01:28:462 (6) - should be stacked with the tail of 01:26:987 (4) - imo
01:48:626 (8) - remove and add reverse to 01:47:642 (7) -, it fits the melody in a better way.

Naohuri's Hard

00:16:149 (4) - unsnapped, move to 00:16:221 -.
00:17:721 (1) - spin should start at 00:17:565 - right? I mean, is kinda weird that Easy and Normal have 1/4 of distance between spin and previous note while hard has 1/2 of distance.
00:36:577 (2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - overdone, kinda weird that hard is more intense than insane at this part, remove triplets for a better spread.
00:43:462 (4,5) - talking about structure, press ctrl+g, I mean note should be first then slider to be consistent with previous and next patterns.

Mirtoshi's Extreme

00:16:221 (6) - unsnapped.
01:12:110 (2) - and 01:16:044 (2) - doesn't fit the instruments imo, for example at 01:16:167 - I was expecting something clickable cause drum at 01:16:167 - is prominent.
01:31:413 (1,2,3) - is a bit unconfortable at playing, what do you think about changing 01:31:413 (1) - into 1/2 slider? it will follow vocal in a better way, same at 01:27:479 (1) -
01:52:806 (6,7,1) - normal distance as 01:50:839 (6,7,1) - or stack will work better here to be consistent with previous patterns of this section, I saw that you used this kind of distances from 01:09:528 - to 01:41:249 - only, so avoid such distance on another sections.
01:09:651 - I can't hear something that deserve note tbh, keep consistency with 01:25:265 (7,1) -
01:55:020 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,1) - seems off, I'm not an expert on timing but you will need a new timing point here imo.
01:56:741 (8,9,1) - I can't hear the triplet, it's overmaped imo.

Hope to help~~, Best of Lucks!

Nao Tomori

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Nao Tomori 2017-07-14T10:01:01+00:00

-Sh1n1- wrote:
Yahallo guys~~

General
The last spinner/slider at all diffs scared me, don't you want to finish all diffs at the same time? I know there are different mappers on this set but what are you following to finish your last spin on 02:02:888 -? (higuest diff as an example.)

Kibbtoshi's Easy
00:10:824 (2) - it's touching the hp bar, also I wanna point out that this part of the screen is overcharged, if you were going to the left (00:07:072 (3,4,1) -), why did u return to the right with 00:10:824 (2) -? additional, I don't know what are you trying to do with 00:08:680 (4,1,2) -, if you tried a triangle, 00:10:824 (2) - should be moved a bit to the right, also isn't it better a blanket between 00:08:680 (4,2) -?
00:38:298 (1,2,3,4,1,2) - I can't understand at all what are you trying to follow here? is it a mix between vocal and piano? alternating between 1/1 and 1/2 is hard to read for newbies, also following your next patterns, I strongly suggest you to follow 1/1 only, another thing that triggered me is 00:43:462 (2) -, following your previous patterns, shouldn't it be at 00:43:708 - to keep consistency with 00:38:298 (1,2) - and 00:40:265 (3,4) -? It's only an suggestion but what do you think about cutting 00:38:298 (1) - at 00:38:790 -, removing 00:39:774 (2) - and add a slider from 00:39:282 - to 00:39:774 -, then remove 00:41:741 (4) - and add reverse to 00:40:265 (3) -, 00:42:233 (1,2) - should be changed into two 1/1 sliders too. I know that you are trying to follow vocal but a little bit of variation as you did on 00:56:003 (2,3) - could be cool. aaa i dont want to remap the entire part, i just moved the circle to the right place lol. the rhythm follows the piano with note 1/1 before it to make it easier t read the rhythm gap
00:46:167 (1,2) - this is too confusing, what are you following at 00:47:397 -?, What do you think about two 1/1 sliders at 00:46:167 - and 1 note at 00:48:134 -.
00:57:970 (1,2) - I know that you want to add variation and avoid a lot of reverses but as I told you, alternating between 1/1 and 1/2 is confusing for newbies, that's why I think that 00:56:003 (2,3) - is a nice variation here and maybe you could add more 1/1 sliders. eh i spam this pattern earlier too, it's fine imo. it's done consistently and all
01:39:282 (3) - sliders should be simple at lower diffs cause it will be too hard to read for newcomers, also it should end at 01:40:757 - cause 01:41:249 - is a strong sound and deserve something clickeable disagree, this way the slider visually divide up the song and players can sort of wiggle around the middle to play it anyway. plus having a strong beat on a slider end isnt necessarily a problem in this diff and i dnt want a 1/2 gap
depends of what do you think about my previous point, 01:41:987 (4) - is too confusing, it might looks nicer at 01:42:233 - imo.
01:45:183 (3,4,2) - the overlap looks bad uwu but it's not a huge problem, my main doubt is the distance between 01:42:724 (1,2,3,4,1) -, why 0.90x if you were using 1.00x

Naotai's Normal
00:05:197 (6) - remove this note for consistency with 00:08:680 (3,4) -
00:40:265 (4) - and 00:42:233 (1) -, I know that you are following vocal but transition between 00:40:265 (4,5) - and 00:42:233 (1,2) - is weird, maybe cause 00:41:741 - and 00:43:708 - were a sound clickeable on previous patterns, what do you think about moving 00:41:495 (5) - to 00:41:249 -, removing 00:41:987 (6) - and adding one slider from 00:41:741 - to 00:41:987 -, same suggestion to 00:43:462 (2) - for consistency. this completely slaughters the vocal based rhythm though
00:45:675 (7,1) - 00:53:052 (7,1) - 00:57:479 (8,1) - 01:00:921 (6,1) - etc, this kind of stacks are weird for this difficult imo, specially cause distance between notes are 1/1 only. but i do 1/1 stacks everywhere ._.
The previous point was in general but talking about one specific stack, 01:23:052 (4,5,6) - looks inconsistent cause 01:23:052 - and 01:24:036 - are very similar, that's why I recommend you to avoid stack between 01:23:052 (4,5) - cause adding stack between 01:23:544 (5,6) - will make this part looks messy. 01:24:528 (6) - is in a new section of the music though, so no stack
01:28:462 (6) - should be stacked with the tail of 01:26:987 (4) - imo
01:48:626 (8) - remove and add reverse to 01:47:642 (7) -, it fits the melody in a better way.

Naohuri's Hard
00:16:149 (4) - unsnapped, move to 00:16:221 -.
00:17:721 (1) - spin should start at 00:17:565 - right? I mean, is kinda weird that Easy and Normal have 1/4 of distance between spin and previous note while hard has 1/2 of distance.
00:36:577 (2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - overdone, kinda weird that hard is more intense than insane at this part, remove triplets for a better spread.
00:43:462 (4,5) - talking about structure, press ctrl+g, I mean note should be first then slider to be consistent with previous and next patterns. uhh but vocals are followed better this way

Mirtoshi's Extreme
00:16:221 (6) - unsnapped.
01:12:110 (2) - and 01:16:044 (2) - doesn't fit the instruments imo, for example at 01:16:167 - I was expecting something clickable cause drum at 01:16:167 - is prominent. i agree but this is mir's way of representing the 3/4 vocals, the clicking/holding pattern definitely follows the vocals properly
01:31:413 (1,2,3) - is a bit unconfortable at playing, what do you think about changing 01:31:413 (1) - into 1/2 slider? it will follow vocal in a better way, same at 01:27:479 (1) - no i like the 3/4 gap cuz vocals and it's more interesting than just covering everything in 1/4 spam =D
01:52:806 (6,7,1) - normal distance as 01:50:839 (6,7,1) - or stack will work better here to be consistent with previous patterns of this section, I saw that you used this kind of distances from 01:09:528 - to 01:41:249 - only, so avoid such distance on another sections.
01:09:651 - I can't hear something that deserve note tbh, keep consistency with 01:25:265 (7,1) - na, this way it has a ton more emphasis on new section+finish
01:55:020 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,1) - seems off, I'm not an expert on timing but you will need a new timing point here imo. will check
01:56:741 (8,9,1) - I can't hear the triplet, it's overmaped imo. no theres definitely a sound there >.>

Hope to help~~, Best of Lucks!

thanks for modding
re:spinner i just dont want a 10 year long spinner so i ended it somewhere early lol
hobbes where

Yahuri

1,400 posts

Joined July 2014

Yahuri 2017-07-15T06:13:14+00:00

https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/8594448 if this is unrankable lmk and ill change it
you should silence the last spinner on the rest of the diffs imo, sounds bad right now

akhdsa

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Last edited by Yahuri 2017-07-15T11:32:34+00:00, edited 1 time in total.

Mentai

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Mentai 2017-07-15T07:22:13+00:00

vekt0r wrote:
naotai:

01:09:774 (1) - powerful vocal in the middle should be clickable, like 01:25:511 (1,2) - nao did it in his part so ya

Pachiru wrote:
01:29:416 (3,4,5) - same here, i feel like the angle here is too sharp, since the music is oefzjefjzeoifcooooool and smooth, try to avoid sharp moves like u did here
its just parallel lines xd (i also was listening to the snare instead of the vocals, i think they contrast enough for a slightly sharper movement

nao sufficiently declined all other changes for me lol

thank

added some claps where they were missing lo

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hohol454

255 posts

Joined November 2012

hohol454 2017-07-15T14:30:13+00:00

NM

Hard
00:40:265 (1,2) - This looks just like the 1/2 spacing used before here 00:37:806 (7,1) - . Easy to missread on ar6.5
01:18:134 (2,3,1) - this feels a pretty hard for this difficulty. 01:27:479 (1,2,3) - this spacing works better

Extreme
00:16:149 (6) - is the 1/8 snap intentional? I could accept that the vocals do kinda start there but the sliderend sounds really bad since it's off the piano sound and other diffs have a slider on 1/4 snap
01:11:495 (6,7) - the curved triples look and play better than these straight ones imo
01:23:298 (8,9,1) - uneven spacing in the triangle and it stands out a ton compared to the other triples because of sharp flow. Seems a bit too much when the song is the same as before until the two singletaps after
01:37:315 (1) - doesn't fit the visual style of the map
01:48:134 (5,6) - random spacing increase.
01:52:806 (6,7,1,2,3,4,5) - why no notes inbetween like 01:47:151 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1) -
01:56:811 (8,9,1) - should be straight

Nao Tomori

Nomination Assessment Team

3,089 posts

Joined December 2014

Topic Starter

Nao Tomori 2017-07-16T20:14:06+00:00

hohol454 wrote:
NM

Hard
00:40:265 (1,2) - This looks just like the 1/2 spacing used before here 00:37:806 (7,1) - . Easy to missread on ar6.5 i dont think so
01:18:134 (2,3,1) - this feels a pretty hard for this difficulty. 01:27:479 (1,2,3) - this spacing works better

Extreme
00:16:149 (6) - is the 1/8 snap intentional? I could accept that the vocals do kinda start there but the sliderend sounds really bad since it's off the piano sound and other diffs have a slider on 1/4 snap
01:11:495 (6,7) - the curved triples look and play better than these straight ones imo doxastic
01:23:298 (8,9,1) - uneven spacing in the triangle and it stands out a ton compared to the other triples because of sharp flow. Seems a bit too much when the song is the same as before until the two singletaps after fixed spacing, triangle is fine cuz its more emphasis imo
01:37:315 (1) - doesn't fit the visual style of the map i thnk it loks nice and lower iffs use similar stuff
01:48:134 (5,6) - random spacing increase.
01:52:806 (6,7,1,2,3,4,5) - why no notes inbetween like 01:47:151 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1) - cuz its already spaced more, no need to over do it
01:56:811 (8,9,1) - should be straight

thanks!

Doormat

2,049 posts

Joined September 2013

Doormat 2017-07-16T20:30:10+00:00

irc chatlog with Nao and Mir; pink text added to provide context since we did most of the discussion on voice chat

15:40 *Doormat is editing [https://osu.ppy.sh/b/1353351 Skytree - Duet [Kibbtoshi's Easy]]
15:40 Doormat: 00:02:250 (3) - ugly slider self-explanatory
15:40 Doormat: 00:31:413 (2,3) - ctrl+g rhythm song places emphasis on downbeat so slider end on downbeat felt off
15:42 Doormat: 00:48:626 (4) - extend to white tick slider originally felt too short
15:45 Doormat: 01:39:282 (3) - not sure about this slider shape i felt it was a bit confusing to read for beginners; was changed to be more readable
15:49 Doormat: 01:41:741 (4,1) - swap NCs self-explanatory
15:49 Doormat: 01:45:183 (3,1) - here too

15:49 *Doormat is editing [https://osu.ppy.sh/b/1353321 Skytree - Duet [Naotai's Normal]]
15:50 Doormat: 00:06:001 (8,1) - 00:10:288 (6,1) - inconsistent inconsistency in rhythming
15:53 Doormat: 01:31:413 (6,7) - 1.1x spacing map uses 1.0x spacing so this felt unintentional
15:54 Doormat: 01:41:003 (6,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,1,2,3,4,5,6) - feels very dense density comparison to when this rhythm was used earlier in the song wasn't the same
15:54 Doormat: ^01:45:183 (1,2) - combine into 1/1 slider suggestion to fix the above
15:54 Doormat: ?

15:55 *Doormat is editing [https://osu.ppy.sh/b/1353221 Skytree - Duet [Naohuri's Hard]]
15:57 Doormat: 00:36:331 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7) - doesn't match music emphasis music places emphasis on the finishes so having the stack on the finish at (5,6) didn't appropriate compared to (1,2,3)
15:57 Doormat: 00:36:331 (1,2,3,4) -
16:00 Doormat: 01:55:020 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - same problem here
16:00 Doormat: wait nvm there's a variation in the rhythm here so this is fine
16:05 Doormat: 00:31:413 (2) - missing clap referring to the easy diff; going over to verify changes were made
16:05 Doormat: on slider end
16:05 Doormat: easy diff
16:06 Doormat: 01:41:741 (1) - slider isn't hitsounded; easy diff self-explanatory

15:05 *Doormat is editing [https://osu.ppy.sh/b/1353322 Skytree - Duet [Mirtoshi's Extreme]]
15:05 Doormat: 00:16:149 (6) - isn't snapped incorrectly snapped to yellow ticks
15:07 Doormat: 00:34:364 (1,2) - possible to move these closer? i felt it might be confused with the 1/2 spacing used at (4,5) in the same combo
15:09 Doormat: 00:36:577 (2,3) - offset these a bit more thought it might be confused as a double but after discussing with both Mir and Naotoshi agreed that due to the AR and bpm it isn't too difficult to misread this. this was left unchanged
15:10 Doormat: https://puu.sh/wLbG4/9476406019.png
15:10 Mir: 01:27:847 (2,3) -
15:12 Doormat: 00:44:200 (1,2,3,4,5,6) - small -> big instead of big -> small music emphasis sounds like it is getting louder instead of quieter, so i suggested to change the spacing to reflect that
15:13 Mir: http://i.imgur.com/xbkd0k3.jpg
15:14 Doormat: 01:09:528 (4,5,1) - intentionally not same spacing? spacing error on their part
15:14 Doormat: 01:13:462 (8,9,1) - same problem this is fine though, due to stacking leniency
15:15 Doormat: https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/8607562
15:15 Mir: http://i.imgur.com/A800v1j.jpg
15:16 Doormat: 01:23:298 (8,9,1) - triangle one is also off self-explanatory
15:20 Doormat: 01:34:364 (5) - overlapping hp bar self-explanatory
15:20 Doormat: 01:34:364 (5) - https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/8607604
15:21 Doormat: 01:47:151 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7) - the (6,7) being overly spaced despite rhythms sounding the same didn't feel appropriate, so this was changed accordingly

mapset otherwise looks fine to me. bubbled.

Seijiro

osu! Alumni

3,438 posts

Joined April 2013

Seijiro 2017-07-17T09:17:53+00:00

there was an attempt

10:22 Naotoshi: sergioooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
10:23 MrSergio: ?
10:23 Naotoshi: respond to my forum pm plz
10:24 MrSergio: what should I reply? .-.
10:24 Naotoshi: when can/will you check
10:24 MrSergio: now
10:25 Naotoshi: o
10:25 Naotoshi: ok
10:25 MrSergio: those diffnames...
10:25 Naotoshi: great names

10:25 *MrSergio is editing [https://osu.ppy.sh/b/1353351 Skytree - Duet [Kibbtoshi's Easy]]
10:26 MrSergio: 00:06:537 (1,3) - what's that overlap, zz
10:26 Naotoshi: uh can you forum
10:26 Naotoshi: im at work :3
10:26 MrSergio: z
10:26 MrSergio: zzzzzz
10:26 Naotoshi: or we can when i get back home in like 6 hours?
10:26 MrSergio: zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
10:26 MrSergio: alright
10:26 Naotoshi: ok cool
10:41 Naotoshi: nvm i can right now
10:41 MrSergio: lmao
10:42 MrSergio: I noticed varied DS on the triplets in the top diff on similar sounds
10:42 Naotoshi: was that all?
10:43 MrSergio: ah, no, it was one of the main things I remember right now
10:43 MrSergio: I started mapping lmao
10:43 Naotoshi: -_-
10:43 Naotoshi: ok
10:43 Naotoshi: so later or
10:45 MrSergio: 01:09:528 (4,5,1) - I mean, this one makes sense to have it bigger in spacing, but from stuff like 01:29:446 (1,2,3,4,5) - onwards we have 01:32:151 (4,5,6) - 01:36:085 (4,5,6) - which is... not clean, so to speak
10:45 MrSergio: idk who mapped what part tho
10:46 Naotoshi: the ne with the 3/4 gaps is mine
10:46 Naotoshi: mir used simplified rhythm unsurprisinglyl
10:46 MrSergio: but since it's a collab you should talk about the map's characteristics imo
10:46 Naotoshi: anyway, the different spacing here makes sense with the pitch of the voice
10:46 Naotoshi: higher pitch = higher spacing
10:46 Naotoshi: lower pitch = lower spacing
10:48 MrSergio: :thinking:
10:48 Naotoshi: ?_?
10:49 MrSergio: I guess I will... yolo icon
10:50 Naotoshi: eyes emoji
10:50 Naotoshi: i fixed the overlap in easy tho
10:50 MrSergio: too tired to actually go in detail
10:50 MrSergio: and mind the stacks on slider ends or after "streams" on the Normal
10:51 MrSergio: they are uaully ass to read for new players
10:51 Naotoshi: 1/1 stacks are no good?
10:52 MrSergio: 1/1 stacks themselves are fine
10:52 MrSergio: but if they are on a slider head, not on a slider tail. That's because the slider covers more of the next object
10:52 MrSergio: if you put a circle on top of a slider it's no big deal since you see the slider body anyway,
10:53 MrSergio: if you put a circle after the slider, the slider covers almost the entire circle
10:53 Naotoshi: 00:53:052 (7,1) -
10:53 Naotoshi: so delete this?
10:53 MrSergio: 00:05:197 (6,7,8) - and I am iffy about this too, although it seems like a normal stack there
10:53 Naotoshi: ok i stacked it on 1 instead
10:53 MrSergio: heh... that's 50%, because you technically can see the object, but can't see fully the approach circle
10:54 Naotoshi: i dont think there is any slider tail > circle stacks tho
10:54 MrSergio: that happens only because those are both sliders, so you can read them
10:54 MrSergio: umh...
10:54 MrSergio: I was pretty sure i saw at least one tho...
10:54 MrSergio: or I am mixing diffs in my head on the moment
10:55 MrSergio: ah, ok, there were none
10:58 Naotoshi: anyway i changed the slider end stacks
10:58 MrSergio: 01:08:790 (5,6,7,8) - you could have at least done a ctrl G to make them feel more on vocals on Hard xd
10:58 MrSergio: ye, the next slider plays like ass then
11:00 Naotoshi: ok i put directio nchange on the square
11:00 Naotoshi: so now its a giant diffspike
11:00 Naotoshi: :^)
11:00 Naotoshi: mission accomplished
11:00 MrSergio: dunno how that is a diff spike now...
11:00 Naotoshi: cuz its like
11:00 Naotoshi: stacked and flow change
11:00 Naotoshi: and still 90 degrees
11:01 MrSergio: before was still stacked and still at 90 degrees
11:01 Naotoshi: its ok
11:01 Naotoshi: yea, but not a sharp direction chcange
11:01 MrSergio: the direction change imo even helps , considering how ass wide angle jumps usually play
11:01 MrSergio: make it a cross movement then
11:01 Naotoshi: ok
11:01 Naotoshi: no then itll just be giant spacing
11:02 MrSergio: 01:09:036 (6,7) - just ctrl G, in case
11:02 MrSergio: wow, internet please
11:02 MrSergio: well, your choice, I just wanted to spice things up
11:02 Naotoshi: ok its spicy now
11:02 Naotoshi: i add nc on 5 tho
11:02 Naotoshi: to make it easier to read
11:03 MrSergio: 01:18:626 (1,2,3) - nice mini combo
11:03 Naotoshi: ok fixed
11:05 MrSergio: 01:20:101 (3,4,5) - why random wide angle jump on Insane
11:05 MrSergio: 01:23:298 (8,9,1) - and this is just one instance of this pattern
11:05 MrSergio: (spoiler: it plays also bad)
11:06 Naotoshi: uhh
11:06 Naotoshi: probably vocal emphasis
11:07 MrSergio: I assume it wasn\t yours
11:07 Naotoshi: the triangle is there cuz its the most intense one
11:07 MrSergio: but then again, why didn't you guys talk it out first
11:07 MrSergio: and decided what to do
11:07 Naotoshi: i mean i went over the diff
11:07 Naotoshi: i didnt think it was a problem
11:07 Naotoshi: we can adjust tho
11:08 MrSergio: well, just one triangle out of the blue doesn't make sense to me, above all when you told me the spacing was used for intensity/pitch
11:08 Naotoshi: http://osu.ppy.sh/ss/8611631
11:08 MrSergio: 02:05:611 - spinner end
11:09 Naotoshi: no
11:09 Naotoshi: i do not
11:09 Naotoshi: want a 20 second long spinner
11:09 MrSergio: the direction change still sucks, but heh...
11:09 MrSergio: why is teh Hard having a 20 secs slider then lol
11:09 Naotoshi: cuz a spinner is really different from a slider
11:09 MrSergio: the sound covered by the spinner doesn't end at 02:01:344 - for sure
11:09 Naotoshi: also cuz yahuri decided to put a slider art there and i cant be assed to make matching ones
11:09 Naotoshi: i'm aware
11:09 Naotoshi: it just ends randomly
11:10 Naotoshi: but thats because i dont like long spinners
11:10 Naotoshi: not because there's a musical reasn
11:10 MrSergio: #1: songs are the overlords of mapping
11:10 MrSergio: that's how an ideal book about mapping written by me would start
11:10 Naotoshi: i'd agree but i think spinners are literally garbage for fade outs
11:10 MrSergio: then don't use it
11:10 Naotoshi: because theyre very intense
11:10 Naotoshi: aaaaaaaaa
11:11 Naotoshi: ok
11:11 Naotoshi: fine
11:11 Naotoshi: ill replace them all with slider arts
11:11 MrSergio: you can remove the spinner completely
11:11 MrSergio: not a big deal
11:11 MrSergio: the entirety of that sound would be expressed anyway
11:11 MrSergio: as long as it is represented all, or ignored all, both are fine
11:11 MrSergio: just not cut out in the middle for no reason
11:12 Naotoshi: slider
11:12 Naotoshi: art
11:12 MrSergio: lmao
11:12 Naotoshi: ill make a tree
11:12 Naotoshi: cuz its skytree
11:12 MrSergio: tree incoming
11:12 MrSergio: and btw, if the song is called Duet, why is there just a guy in the BG :thonkin:
11:12 *MrSergio runs*
11:12 MrSergio: where is the cute animu grill
11:12 Naotoshi: -_-
11:13 Naotoshi: ok ill get u a cute animu grill bg
11:13 Naotoshi: actually
11:13 Naotoshi: yahuri wanted to use shigatsu backgrounds
11:13 Naotoshi: which is kinda fitting cuzviolin piano
11:13 MrSergio: no please
11:13 MrSergio: don't use other animes lol
11:13 Naotoshi: but this isnt from an anime
11:13 MrSergio: like Kisses using SaeKano BG on Kano song
11:14 Naotoshi: ok anyway
11:14 Naotoshi: ill add slider arts and lyk when 2 quali?
11:14 Naotoshi: or rather
11:14 Naotoshi: figure out when regraz can
11:14 MrSergio: your maps, your organization x)
11:15 MrSergio: I won't really spend my time running around to make things match lol, that should be your "duty"
11:15 MrSergio: or whatever that is
11:15 Naotoshi: yea yea
11:15 Naotoshi: but i need some general idea of when you can
11:15 Naotoshi: to sync it up
11:15 Naotoshi: cuz like
11:15 Naotoshi: 1 american 2 europe and 1 chinese
11:15 Naotoshi: doesnt really line up in terms of time zones
11:15 Naotoshi: lol
11:16 MrSergio: if it's around midnight for me should work out for everyone else too... right?
11:16 MrSergio: I mean
11:16 MrSergio: it would be like afternoon for america and morning for china
11:16 Naotoshi: midnight for you...
11:16 Naotoshi: is like 5 am for regraz
11:16 MrSergio: fuck
11:16 Naotoshi: best bet is actually like
11:16 MrSergio: just 5 hours?
11:16 Naotoshi: evening in china
11:16 Naotoshi: midday in europe
11:16 Naotoshi: and then pishi is just like
11:16 MrSergio: lol
11:16 Naotoshi: nocturnal
11:16 MrSergio: well, if that's fine with you, idc
11:16 Naotoshi: alright cool
11:16 Naotoshi: thanks babe
11:17 MrSergio: ~

Nao Tomori

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