_Stan wrote:

Hello~ for M4M here

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Insane

1. 00:09:317 - You should add a note here cuz there have a music sound, actually it's ( music sound + voice sound ) just like 00:09:611 - , so why different setting? Just a transition.
2. 00:57:258 - to 00:57:847 - Wrong position, you can hear 3 beats at 00:57:258 - 00:57:484 - 00:57:700 - Changed.
3. 01:07:258 (67258|0) - add a note. If this LN mean to background bass music, then where is the cymbal?? Trying my best to avoid hammers in LN parts. But if someone else says that a note should be there, I'll change it.
4. 01:10:200 - add a note, just like you did before Changed
5. 01:12:552 - add a note, no need to emphasize the beat? Changed.
6. 01:13:729 - delete a note, haevy same with 01:13:288 - Changed.
7. 01:14:317 - delete a note, you can hear obviously is softer than 01:14:170 - , why 2 notes here? I'll change it.
8. 01:15:494 (75494|1,75494|2,75494|0,75788|1,75788|0,75788|2,76082|0,76082|2,76082|1) - 3 notes reflect cymbal, 4 notes reflect hat, appropriate？ The quads are supposed to be a transition to prepare the player for the hand hammers after them.
9. 01:18:141 (78141|1) - to col [3], avoid 5-jack Oops, changed.
10. 01:21:082 - add a note, have a drum Yeah, thanks for catching that.
11. 01:27:552 (87552|2) - to col [2], same reason Fixed
12. 01:40:494 - add a note at col [2] I know why you want me to do it, but that would kinda ruin the flow there a little. Also, that note isn't loud, so why make it a hand?
13. 01:42:405 - add a note, need to emphasis Changed.
14. 01:46:523 (106523|3) - move to col [2], it more comfortable to hit, cuz all left hand key Makes sense.
15. 02:14:905 - add a note at col [4], drum Changed.
16. 02:23:729 - same problems with blue one Again, Transition.
17. 02:25:788 - same problems, penta-hits is not nice for players and this is 4* map Fixed
18. 02:40:200 - add a note at col [4], drum Done
19. 02:40:788 - add a note at col [1] :)
20. 04:00:935 (240935|2) - to col [2], 04:01:082 (241082|1) - to col [1], 04:00:935 (240935|2,241082|2) - not ok, cuz same whole part you do note make next double-hit so why here? And it experience sucks Remapped this part.
21. 04:35:494 - add a LN and a note. 2 LNs refer to electro-bass / piano background music, note refer to cymbal
22. 04:35:494 (275494|0) - Is it right to stop at here ? I feel like it is, sure, the sound stays longer, but I'd feel like holding that note would make it boring, and plus, a new part of the song is playing now, It's a point of interest, so I'm mapping new point of interest.
23. 04:49:023 - 04:49:611 - add a note, 04:49:317 - delete a note, listen to the chord Are you talking for the whole song? Because I did the same thing at the beginning and you didn't point it out. I'm accenting the first note of every 3/4 beat. I'm kinda making an artificial 3/4 time with these sections despite the common 4/4 time. I figured it'd be neat, but if you still think it should be changed, I'll change it.

ok, that's all. GL

Litharrale wrote:

NM from my queue
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cute song

BG sux, here's a better one https://imgur-archive.ppy.sh/BmZ3nA8.jpg I can't really see the difference, I mean, it moved over to the left a few pixels, but the bg quality didn't change or anything. Maybe I'm doing something wrong?
Obligatory hitsound your map I'll work on it. (I don't map with the default skin, so I guess I hear things differently then others.

The mapping at the start feels erratic and without thought or reason behind it. 00:00:200 (200|0,200|2) - this is a chord in the music and you've represented it as a double which is good. This is followed up by a single note in the music which you've mapped with a single 00:00:494 (494|1), also good. You've established a pattern here which is common and makes sense. Chords have >1 note, single sounds = 1 note. So why is the 3rd sound in the whole song, which is a chord a single? 00:00:788 (788|2) Here, I was trying something a little different (kinda a experiment) where I'd pair notes in 3 note sets instead of making it play like a 4/4. so that way it would be 2 sets of 3/4 measures and a 1/2 measure. (A total of 8 counts) But I can see that a lot of people dislike this idea and everyone so far has shot it down, So I'll change it.

This is then followed by a single note mapped as a double 00:01:082 (1082|0,1082|3) - and then a chord mapped as a single 00:01:376 (1376|1). it makes no sense. You've also missed the mark on a lot of pitch mapping in the intro section which is a missed opportunity. I'd suggest going back and remapping it.

00:10:494 (10494|2) - This LN is two syllables (the a then the ri). Halve the length and turn the note in col 1 into a 1/2 beat LN. Plays a lot better I just remapped the LN part (Not from scratch, but I changed all of the LN patterns like this.)
00:13:435 (13435|3) - ^
00:13:729 (13729|2) - This LN is too long for the sound that it's representing
00:15:200 (15200|3) - syllable issue again. I don't know if you're going for a 1/1 LN gimmick or what but it doesn't fit well. Going to stop mentioning this issue here
00:27:552 (27552|3,27700|0) - You ignore the vocals immediately preceding this and then decide to map them here? Stay consistent. I mapped both the chords and the vocals.
00:33:141 (33141|1) - double the strong sound I'll be real, I completely mapped that part wrong. I even listened to it over and over again making sure it was right. I must have been tired. Remapped. Hopefully I keep the proper flow going though, I'll have to get some new play testers.
00:45:641 (45641|0,45714|1,45788|2,45935|0,45935|1,46082|2,46229|1,46376|0,46376|2,46523|1) - dont forget its 4k not 3k Fixed the hand Bias.
00:47:847 (47847|3,47847|1,47994|2,47994|0,48141|1,48141|3) - This is not the pattern to use here considering the strong sound on the second blue tick I mapped like 1/3 of this song in one sitting, so as I said previously, this was probably me mapping at 11PM or something after work.
00:48:288 (48288|0) - loud snare with only a single? I remapped this part... but I feel like I wrecked the flow. Can you check that for me when I update my map please?
00:57:258 (57258|1,57258|3,57332|2,57405|1,57479|0,57552|2,57552|3,57626|0,57700|1,57773|2) - This section has strong sounds 3/4 apart but you've gone with the classic 4/4. It's almost as if you didn't listen to the song while mapping this Someone already beat you to it. Fixed.
01:18:435 (78435|2) - no Are you talking about the hands in general? or the 5 stack sets. If it's the 5 stack sets, it's already been fixed,
I just haven't updated it yet. If it's the hands, that's not going away. sorry.

Gonna stop here. This map is deeply flawed, good luck regardless

Thanks

booty wrote:

This is a long song so I'm just going to do a short mod on the beginning but a lot of it can be applied throughout the song so look for these. Feel free to use these changes.

00:09:905 (9905|2) - There should be a note here along with the slider I don't think so. Putting a note on every 1/1 tick will ruin the patern I've laid out.
00:12:258 (12258|2) - ^ ^
00:16:376 (16376|2,16523|0) - Mapped to nothing, ghost note. It should be consistent with the space at 00:20:788 (20788|2) - which has no notes and is mapped correctly. Listen to the vocals, there is a reason those notes are there.
00:16:964 (16964|1) - Add a note Again, original pattern. Yet, you did help me find a mistake, I took out the single after it.
00:26:082 (26082|3,26082|2) - This should have 3 notes, start of chorus and is much louder than the following double. There are only 2 sounds there, there is nothing worth accenting here.
00:39:905 (39905|3) - Missing double Listen to the purcussion at 25% Although I did find a mistake prior to this section, so don't worry, you are helping xD
00:40:052 (40052|1,40052|0) - Double here when it should be at the end of the pattern 00:40:200 (40200|1) at here
00:41:376 (41376|3) - Missing double Purcussion.
00:57:258 (57258|1,57332|2,57405|1,57479|2,57552|1,57626|2,57700|1,57773|2,57847|1) - Change this pattern hereA lot of people say that flow is good there.
01:00:200 (60200|3) - Add a note I would if it didn't destroy the flow.
01:07:258 (67258|0) - Add a note ^
01:28:729 (88729|1,88876|1,89023|1,89170|1,89317|1) - Don't recommend having the same note played 5 times in a row for this pattern. Just a playability thing. Thought I fixed all of them, guess one got past me, thanks.
01:33:729 (93729|1) - Add a note, obvious double note sound here Done.
01:34:317 (94317|3) - ^ The other doubles are combo'd with LN beginnings which is why its ok there. Here its just by itself for no reason and should be a double. (if you wanted an explanation here u go) ^
01:41:670 (101670|1) - Double sound Again, percussion, but there are some errors in this section that I noticed and I'll fix them.
01:56:523 (116523|2) - This beat here only receives 1 note and is significantly louder than 01:56:376 (116376|0,116376|3,116376|1) - which receives 3 notes? Fixed, it, but it looks like I'm going to have to go through this point again. I've seen a lot of errors and it's ruining how I express my intent on this map.

heres how I'd fix it

Thanks for the mod!

Tectre wrote:

This is my mod for your map!
I really quite enjoyed playing this map! A few small things that I'd like to have a look at though.

General Comments:
-I feel like the BG you've chosen fits very well! Thanks (Even though I just stole it from the standard ver. xD)
-The hit sounds are good but REALLY loud. Especially the hit sounds in the chorus' chord jumps. Please turn your hit sounds down! Ok,
The hit sounds are the newest part of the song, so I figured that they would be off. (Hitsounding is hard to me) I'll adjust it.
-The audio in general is fairly loud I'm not really to sure what to do about the general audio. :\ But I'll make a conscious note.

Independence

Timing:
The timing on this map was really well done. I didn't find any issues here! Ok, that's a good sign.

Pattern:
Overall, a nice pattern. Just a few things I noticed, and most, if not all are personal opinion.
You have really nice transitions between the LN's!

00:52:700 (52700|1,52773|2,52773|0,52847|1,52994|0,52994|2) - I'm not the biggest fan of this pattern. This is just my opinion, but change it to say, this: 00:52:700 (52700|1,52773|2,52773|3,52847|0,52994|1,52994|2) - Ok, I tried that pattern, and it still flows nicely, so I don't have any problems with it. There are also no duplicate patterns in that section, so it works.

01:16:670 (76670|3,76670|2,76670|0,76817|0,76817|1,76817|2,76964|3,76964|1,76964|0,77111|2,77111|3,77258|2,77258|1,77258|0) - This chord jump is a little uncomfy. Try this (just a suggestion from personal opinion): 01:16:670 (76670|1,76670|3,76670|0,76817|0,76817|1,76817|2,76964|2,76964|3,76964|0,77111|2,77111|3,77258|3,77258|2,77258|1) -I changed it to how you suggested, and I don't really feel much difference. Yet, I don't really have a problem with that change, so I think it's a keeper.

02:00:935 (120935|2,121008|3,121008|1,121082|2,121229|1,121229|3) - Again, this pattern here. It's just 100% personal opinion, but it just doesn't really fit the map. Try this: 02:00:935 (120935|1,121008|3,121008|0,121082|2,121229|1,121229|3) - I don't think I have that pattern anywhere in the map at all, so I'll do that just for variety.

03:42:700 (222700|0,222847|0,222994|0,223141|1,223141|0,223288|1,223288|0,223435|1,223435|0,223582|1,223582|0,223729|2,223729|1,223729|0,223876|2,223876|1,223876|0,224023|1,224023|2,224023|0,224170|2,224170|1,224170|0,224317|2,224317|3,224317|1,224317|0,224464|1,224464|0,224464|3,224464|2,224611|2,224611|3,224611|0,224611|1,224758|0,224758|1,224758|3,224758|2) - I'm not a very big fan of this Maybe try this: 03:42:700 (222700|2,222700|3,222700|0,222847|2,222847|3,222847|0,222994|3,222994|2,222994|0,223141|0,223141|2,223141|1,223288|1,223288|2,223288|0,223435|1,223435|2,223435|0,223582|1,223582|2,223582|0,223729|1,223729|3,223729|0,223876|3,223876|1,223876|0,224023|3,224023|1,224023|0,224170|3,224170|1,224170|0,224317|2,224317|3,224317|1,224317|0,224464|1,224464|0,224464|3,224464|2,224611|2,224611|3,224611|0,224611|1,224758|0,224758|1,224758|3,224758|2) - I hate doing this to someone who just wrote that much code for one area in a map, but this one is a no-go for me.
A few reasons. 1:It doesn't really fit the song. 2: It doesn't build up like the music. 3: It's an unnecessary difficulty spike. (It went from 4.01 stars to 4.14 stars.) and 4: There are already a lot of hands after this part, so having nothing but hands there might run it dry.

Overall, a very good map! I really hope this map gets ranked!!!

I'm glad you think so! I'll change up the hitsounds as well,
although I'm not to sure if I'll be changing the right things to the right setting. I really like this song and I think it'd be cool for this one to be my first ranked map. I'll keep improving the map until it's up to ranking standards!

Envory wrote:

Hi Indence Pffft LOL I fail spell ur nick XD
Here we go


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Independence

00:04:905 (4905|2) - Move to col 4.. if you stay it make a stacking like > https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/8572359 Not all stacks are bad
00:19:023 (19023|1) - Move to col 1 For flow, right? Gotcha.
01:15:494 (75494|1,75494|0,75494|3,75494|2) - Hey didn't it too excessive placed 4 notes?? i suggest you just placed 2 notes at col 3 and 4 I would like to keep those quads there. It prepares the player for the triples (It's so that the player has a little taste of what's to come.)
That's the Idea at least.
02:23:729 (143729|0,143729|1,143729|2,143729|3) - Same here like ^ but placed at col 1 and 2^
02:45:494 - From here until 02:46:082 - its will be great if you do little jack like this > https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/8572433 Alright, Will do.
03:42:552 (222552|0) - Add 2 notes at col 3 and 4 (hear carefully) there have a loud drum It makes that part a little awkward in my opinion,
I think I'll leave it as it is.

Done!
GL Incendent!

Thanks for the mod! And good luck on your map as well!

KcHecKa wrote:

I would never map like this.

Emperor of Time wrote:

hello ... M4M Here

Indepence Modding

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00:05:190 - move to 2 better xD Moved
00:26:366 - move to 1 Kept
00:30:484 - delete one, it's single tap Done
00:30:631 - add 1 note Added a note + 1 on blue
00:32:910 - i hear note in here, add 1 note Fixed
00:35:998 - ^ Uh, what?
00:35:998 - ^Same thing, what?
00:37:616 - ^Sure
00:37:763 - ^No?
00:38:498 - ^Messes up the flow.
00:38:645 - ^^
00:44:013 - add 1 note here beacause finishing No, that's what the short LN is for.
00:49:895 (49895|2) - move to 2If you look at the pattern there, notice that if I did this, it would be Double RH, LH, RH, Double LH, RH,
LH, RH, Double LH. Very repetitive.
00:50:042 (50042|1) - move to 3^
00:51:072 - add 1 note here beacause finishing, i hear cymbal sound. Again, short LN
00:53:425 - ^^
00:55:778 - ^^
01:00:484 - ^^
01:02:837 - ^^
01:05:190 - add 2 note here uh?
01:07:248 - ^I'm no longer mapping cymbals.
01:07:542 -^ ^
01:09:895 - ^I really don't understand why you think it's ok to put 3 notes here at once in a LN section.
01:13:719 (73719|0) - move to 4It's fine there.
01:13:719 (73719|0) - add 1 note to 4 Not necessary here, again. 3 notes in a LN section aren't something I'm a big fan of. Although to be fair, this one is more justifiable then the other one you suggested.
01:17:690 - delete 1 note No
01:18:572 - ^
01:18:866 - ^
01:19:454 - ^
01:19:748 - ^
01:26:219 - ^
01:27:101 - ^
01:27:984 - ^
01:28:866 - ^
01:29:601 - add 1 note Mapping vocals
01:29:895 - add 2 note
01:30:042 - add 1 note[/color]^
01:31:366 - ^I can agree to this.
01:31:954 - ^
01:32:542 - ^
01:33:131 - ^
01:56:145 - ^ Ruins patern
01:56:440 - ^
02:25:042 - delete 1 note
02:25:925 - ^
02:26:807 - ^
02:27:101 - ^
02:27:690 - ^
02:27:984 - ^
02:34:454 - ^
02:35:337 - ^
02:36:219 - ^
02:37:101 - ^
02:45:925 - move to 1 I actually intended those to be jacks because it fit.
02:47:248 (167248|3,167248|1,167248|0,167346|2,167444|1,167542|0,167542|3,167542|2,167640|1,167739|2,167837|3,167837|0,167837|1,167935|2,168033|1,168131|3,168131|0,168131|2,168229|1,168327|2) - please this pattern like this Pic 1Pic 2Pic 3 I'd rather not do that.
03:46:219 - Delete 1 note
03:47:101 - ^
03:47:984 - ^
03:48:278 - ^
03:48:866 - ^
03:49:160 - ^
03:55:631 - ^
03:56:513 - ^
03:57:395 - ^
03:58:278 - ^
04:05:042 - ^
04:05:925 - ^
04:06:807 - ^
04:07:101 - ^
04:07:690 - ^
04:07:984 - ^
04:16:366 - 04:16:440 - 04:16:513 - 04:16:587 - add 1 note Keeping those as rolls.

Good Luck with your map xD

Mage wrote:

o hi!

Independence:

Would be cool if you'll make different hitsounds 00:30:631 - 00:30:484 - for these sounds Not really understanding your intent, I hitsounded both to be the exact same, except one key has the drum sounds while the other has the custom.

00:13:131 (13131|1) - finish this LN 00:13:425 - here, if you listen on 25-50% you'll get why I can't really hear anything for me to make this a finish.
00:18:131 - same ^
00:29:601 (29601|3) - i don't really get what this LN for and why it's 1/2, replace to SN? I placed it to represent the cymbal sound there,
but I went ahead and changed it. Let me know what you think about it please.
00:39:013 (39013|0) - ^ Same thing, I was accenting the cymbals with that note, but if you think it shouldn't be, I'll change it. (Although now that you know my intent, let me know your opinion on this change please.
00:38:645 - don't ignore this sound, add note The only reason why I've been ignoring that one sound is because it honestly stumped me,
I knew what note went where, I just didn't know how to keep the flow going. I did some re arranging and made the kicks doubles. Let me know if I improved the map with this or not please.
00:48:278 - replace to double and 00:48:425 - make triple, cuz finish + add F hitsound I understand the finish hitsound, but what's wrong with it being a triple? Also that would ruin the whole Loud = more and quiet = less notes that I've laid out for the map. I'll add a finish, but I'll keep the notes as is.
00:57:837 - add F I can agree to this.
01:02:101 (62101|2,62248|2,62395|2,62542|2) - try to avoid this Again understandable, I guess a little repetition is better then stacking.
01:07:248 - should be at least double Thanks for spotting that, Missed the Cymbal.
01:15:484 (75484|3,75778|3,76072|3) - remove Fs, 01:16:366 - add F Yeah, I guess I kinda did that one backwards, how did I do that xD.

01:16:807 - 01:17:690 - 01:18:572 - and etc. - why you use triples? I don't see any reason I'm guessing you are suggesting the triple, double, triple, double, triple pattern? I honestly don't see the problem as it is right now, the doubles that I placed in some of those 5 stacks are to avoid from 5 column stacks at once. If you feel REALLY strong about this, I'll probably change it, but again, I kinda want those to be like that.
01:30:778 - 01:35:484 - 01:36:660 - 01:37:837 - 01:47:248 - aaaanddd etttccc. - add F You know what, you actually reminded me what the original hitsound intent was, thanks. I think you'll be happy with the F's that I implemented
01:46:881 - again, add note Same problem as before, so could you check that for me, it should be good now.
01:56:513 - double, 01:56:660 - triple Same thing as the other one, It changes the whole 3=loud, 2=soft volume wise, Since I didn't change the previous one, I can't change this one.
02:05:484 - isn't here should be long 2/1 trill like you did before 00:57:248 The doubles are in the same places, just a different patern.
It would make it extremely repetitious, I would like to avoid that as much as possible. (The only exception are the main chorus' where I placed the Kiai times.
02:47:542 - 02:47:837 - 02:48:131 - can you explain why here are triples??? You have a point, yet you don't. (Not with my intent that is,
it's sound logic though.) If you hear the rhythm, you can think of it as 2 ways, 1 is 3 sets of 4 counts, or 4 sets of 3 counts (I did 4 sets of 3.) So I bring out every third note starting from the 1st to portray a bunch of triplets, although I'll agree, I might have gone overboard on making them triples, I'll make them doubles.
02:48:425 - 02:53:131 - 02:57:837 - should be triples If I made those triples, how am I supposed to differentiate these from the kicks that randomly appear in this section. I don't think every finish sound should be a triple, that's just me though.
03:06:856 - listen carefully, here starts another sound, so make another pattern So I know what you are talking about, and I did some tweaking, and honestly, I'm not too confident on it. Can you give me feedback on the change here? Thanks!
03:16:268 - same ^
03:11:954 - 03:30:778 - should be triples I disagree with this.
04:14:307 - here starts some 1/2 drum sound, will be better if you'll highlight them instead of vocal I re-hitsounded this part, and added some singles, what do you think?
04:16:660 - should be at least double Ok
04:35:484 (275484|0) - how about extend this LN until 04:35:484 (275484|0) - , would be cool I don't really understand what you were trying to say, you put down the same timing point twice. Probably a mistake?
04:51:660 (291660|0,291807|1) - why 2 1/2 LNs? Replace to 1 1/1 LN My bad
04:53:425 - should be 2 1/2 LNs I'm glad I asked you to mod my map tbh xD, thanks!
04:54:013 - same Aaaay
04:54:307 (294307|2,294601|0) - should be 1 2/1 LN Yep
04:56:366 (296366|0,296513|1) - should be 1 1/1 LNYep
05:01:072 (301072|0,301219|1) - 1 1/1 LNyep! xD

Score owo

Really fun map! Thanks for the complement!
Good luck!

Mage wrote:

00:13:425 - 00:18:131 - vocal acutely wanes
04:35:484 (275484|0) - i mean, extend this LN to 04:46:072 - , because sound didn't end. (wrong timing sorry haha)

Everything else looks cool

Asherz007 wrote:

Yo. Is me again. (rip modding queue just doing things in any order now lol)

That out of the way, this map is certainly a lot better. Keep going bud.

This was an M4M request, but, er, not really sure what to send you back lol

0|1|2|3 (as per)

[General]
Hitsounds: Going a little overboard with using the finish hitsound there. Try to only use it where there's a crash in the audio since that's what the hitsound is. Also, you could distribute the hitsounds across chords, like 00:29:895 (29895|0,29895|1) could have a hitsound each - now that I notice, swap your hitnormal and hitwhistle, since a kick is technically an addition. Are you talking to switch all the hitnormals and hitwhistles?
because that's going to be a LOT of changes and I think it's fine now.

Finally, there's not really any need to double up on hitsounds like 00:30:631 (30631|2,30631|0). They often become too overpowering when used like that. That was honestly a genuine mistake, thanks.

Tags: Find some eventually lol I don't know anything about this song xD okay? I just grabbed the song file off of standard and used it for mania

Increase HP to match OD; 7 is too lenient. Is that something that will keep the song from being ranked?

Two timing points exist at 00:00:190 with conflicting samplesets and volumes. In any case, you should only need one of them here. Took care of it.

The BG is, uh, questionable... Ok, so I understand what you are saying, Honestly, I didn't notice till you pointed it out, but I don't think it's necessarily breaking the... uh... "Rules?" Reguardless, I probably should change the BG, (I just nabbed it off of the standard ver. as well.) Although I have no idea what would be fitting for this song now (Don't really know how to look things up to get a specific image that would fit this.) Any suggestions?

Short foreword: With the cymbal crashes, accent with heavier chords (triples, or occasionally doubles where they are much quieter), rather than with LNs. A personal opinion, really, but that's how I would be doing it. I'm guessing you are talking about the main chorus. Understandable, but even though a lot of people has complained about them, I feel like they are fine the way they are. Although, I'm kinda surprised you caught my intent there. (Even if it's only a little) Most people feel it to be nonsensical, and they might not be wrong, but I promise there is a method to my madness.

Custom diff names lol

As I said, not really a fan of vocal/LN mapping, but I'll put that aside for now. Just letting ya know in case something sounds a little biased. The only reason I'm against it in 4K is that can generally clutter the other columns leaving you struggling to put down proper emphasis while still being playable, which can potentially hinder a map. Ok, I'll keep that in mind. I completely understand the fact that LN's take up lots of space in 4K and make mapping things while keeping it interesting is hard, yet I feel that It's necessary in long maps like this. As for mapping vocals, I understand,
that a lot of people don't like it, but it doesn't make it wrong in my opinion. Of course, at the same time, I do think I understand where you come from, again, as stated. It does in fact make the map less interesting. So a lot of people advise against it. (I hate LN's, I think I understand the mass, yet it fits to me)

Layering. Keep it consistent. Sometimes it isn't... I think? Like 00:38:425 (38425|3,38425|0,38425|1,38645|3,38645|0,38866|3) - Three different chords for essentially mapping the same snare. I do see what you are saying, and I'll fix it, although I don't see where you got 3, I see 2 different chords. (2 are the same and 1 is different {the single} Perhapse you are looking at an older version though. Idk.) Hopefully this doesn't effect flow negatively,
as that is what I'm trying to avoid the most (It causes a mini jack if I do things this way, I feel like people will point this out)

(Only mega-critical stuff below, just the first time they appear mostly; trust you can self-mod a bit )

1. 00:27:837 (27837|2,27837|1) - I feel you really need the triple for the crash at 00:29:601 (29601|0,29601|3), so make one of these a short note (SN).
2. 00:32:248 (32248|0) and wherever else this kind of thing happens - This is an open hat, not a crash. Theoretically speaking, these should be 1/1 in length for accuracy, and without the finish hitsound. The problem with this, is as you said, there are only 4 columns. The 2 LN's represent different things, 1 for the vocal, and 1 for the background music. I see what you are saying, but I can't just end one of the LN abruptly while both sounds go throughout the whole sound. Also, If I remove a LN to make up for the space, that part feels off to me. So as much as I would like to do that, it's not possible in 4k. I think a double should work though since it's the start of a new idea and technically all 4 columns are taken.
3. 00:57:248 (57248|1,57322|2,57395|1,57469|2,57542|1,57616|2,57690|1,57763|2,57837|1) - Okay. Stacks again. Nothing technically wrong I guess, but it reminds me of very early mania mapping lol. You've got 4 columns, might as well spread the notes out across them (in a playable fashion, preferably, since this one's kinda awkward). That my friend is called a trill. But hey, I guess if you wanna call em stacks, go ahead :3 (And it's also a pattern,
   so I don't think it needs to change.) I'm leaving the red here because I still don't think it's bad, but I went ahead and changed up the pattern since your major complaint was flow, and that's what I'm really looking to improve, so hopefully this pattern flows better than the last.
4. 01:15:484 (75484|0,75484|2,75484|1,75484|3,75778|1,75778|0,75778|2,75778|3,76072|3,76072|2,76072|1,76072|0) - I don't really understand why these are quads. To me, they appear to be for the sake of it I understand that you don't understand why these are quads (sorry, I had too) yet, the main reason wasn't really in the music at this point of time, but in the next 10 seconds, It's there to prepare players for a bunch of triples and a few doubles in said triples. Although, truth to be told, I'm kinda getting sick of the complaints here, so I might change them after all. (I don't like the idea of making them triples or even doubles because triples can't be symmetrical and doubles are just boring when laid out in columns |-|1|2|-|
   I'll just wait to see what you think about this though.
5. 01:16:807 (76807|2,76807|0,76807|1) - My main quarrel really. Overmapping and inconsistencies. Take this chord. There appears only to be vocals here, which leaves me to question why this is a triple. At most, it's a single. Listen at slower speeds throughout the kiai times to see where kicks and snares come, since vocals shouldn't need emphasising this much. Second thing is it creates stacks like 01:18:572 (78572|0,78719|0,78866|0,79013|0) which are awkward to no end to play. Have a think about it. (I would recommend reverting to triple-double-triple-etc. if anything.) Again, I've had a lot of complaints about this section, and I went ahead and answered to the masses, I'll do the 3,2,3,2,3 pattern for the first 2 chorus parts, but for the 3rd, since it's slightly different and the climax of the song, I went ahead and made them all triples for consistency sake to state that this is exciting, therefore harder.
6. 01:21:660 (81660|3,81807|2) - I'm a little confused with these LNs. Specifically the second half. I'm not really hearing anything to which LNs could be mapped. LN-wise, I would've thought it would be something like this. It's just a change in mapping style, The LN's actually are there to represent cymbals in a certain way (Before you say anything, keep in mind that this isn't me mapping the song on a set of rules where 1 thing always will = 1. I've seen a lot of ranked maps where the LN's didn't make a lot of sense to me, but they had something to justify them being there. Of course I could be wrong and these LN's could be my downfall, but eh. Also, on the topic of consistency, the first set of LN's are just saying (Hey, I can map weird on purpose as well and make it work, so there are probably more like this later on in the map) Not to mention that this actually feels good to me to play. That is just me though.
   Pretty much, I major complaint about mapping, is that there are so many set rules on how a song "Should" be mapped despite it not actually being a rule in the mania section. This does take away from creativity a lot and makes it so that way, all maps are pretty much the same. 2 for kick,
   1 for normal, 3 for crash. Everything has a "Uniform" and as a guy who wears one constantly, the excitement of wearing a uniform gets old, and it is no longer exciting. Mapping is less fun, and it's like being in a prison. So I'm not always going to follow the set rules that other "Players" have established unofficially speaking. That's just my full broad opinion on this. Of course, I could just be very stubborn as well. (Rant over xD)
7. 02:42:690 (162690|2,162837|3,162984|2,163131|3,163278|2,163425|3,163572|2,163719|3,163866|2,164013|3,164160|2) - Pattern variation is key. This is quite a long time to be doing the same thing in a column. My bad, changed the pattern here.
8. 02:47:346 (167346|2,167444|1,167542|0,167542|3,167640|1,167739|2,167837|3,167837|0,167935|2,168033|1,168131|0,168131|3,168229|1,168327|2) - These sounds are all mapped to snares, so I'm not quite sure why they don't have the same number of notes for each one. Probably doubles. Same with 03:06:170 (186170|1,186268|0,186366|3,186366|2,186464|1,186562|0,186660|2,186660|3,186758|0). I recently changed it this way because of someone's mod, and they mad a pretty valid reason on why 2 of these snare parts are mapped differently then the other 2. the 2nd and 3rd snare parts sound different then 1 and 4. Therefore, suggest a new pattern. It helps to get rid of repetition and doesn't really hurt flow either.
9. 03:15:484 (195484|1,195582|2,195680|1,195778|2,195876|1,195974|2,196072|1,196170|2,196268|1,196366|2,196464|1,196562|2,196660|1) - Looks nice, but doesn't really play that well. I'd suggest a re-patterning. I feel like this pattern is okay, I have a harder time with some of the LN patterns compared to this one.
10. 03:25:925 (205925|2) - Incorrectly snapped (Should be on 1/3 right?) That definitely should be snapped to the third, you are right,
    I probably accidently dragged it with the touch pad on my laptop, oops. (I disabled it too, but it doesn't like doing what it's told to do though... >.>) I fixed the snap.
11. 03:42:542 (222542|0,222690|0,222837|0,222984|0,223131|1,223131|0,223278|1,223278|0,223425|1,223425|0,223572|1,223572|0,223719|2,223719|1,223719|0,223866|2,223866|1,223866|0,224013|2,224013|1,224013|0,224160|2,224160|1,224160|0,224307|2,224307|3,224307|1,224307|0,224454|1,224454|0,224454|3,224454|2,224601|2,224601|3,224601|0,224601|1,224748|0,224748|1,224748|3,224748|2) - Oh boy. I get the intention, but this is extremely painful to play, as well as being inaccurate percussion wise. Besides, it's only pitch that's changing rather than intensity, so give this little bit another go. I think I"m going to keep that. I honestly like that part and even though this is a 4* song, I don't really care about star difficulty. A lot of people has made hard 4* maps and 5* maps significantly harder than something half a star harder than it. So star rating to difficulty is over rated. Also, you say you get my intent,
    but you don't get the whole intent. (You got most of it though) I was mapping the volume this time, if you listen, there is a crescendo here. (Yes, I'm talking music sheet talk.)
12. 04:01:366 (241366|1,241513|2,241660|1,241807|2,241954|1,242101|2,242248|1,242395|2,242542|1,242690|2,242837|1,242984|2,243131|1,243278|2,243425|1) - A long time for this. Plays well, but a little monotonous. I'd have to disagree on that, mainly because it's not even 7 seconds long and that there are doubles spread out in there. It's really hard to change patterns with LN (Which is your major complaint) but you probably are aware that I don't plan on changing the LN's. But yeah, I don't think it's monotonous.

That's most of my gripes lol.

Thanks for taking the time to mod my map, If you don't have a map selected for me, I might chose one at random, but if you do, just send it to me in a response box or pm me in game or here.

Hope this helps, best of luck, and keep it up!

It helped a lot! Thanks!

KcHecKa wrote:

Kid.

KcHecKa wrote:

I would never map like this.

KcHecKa wrote:

I'm really about to get on your ass.

Well, I'm going to go ahead and take that as a threat.

"Hi! I'm indecent. I'm friends with skill"

Name calling and mockery, noted.


"Kid."

More name calling.

"I would never map like this."

Ok, Non-constructive criticism and Nonsensical posting, cool.

Also, talk about spamming a thread, and being an instigator.

Yeah, I'll just report and let the mods handle this one. Thanks for the mod (That I didn't ask for by the way, my friend just offered up.)

KcHecKa wrote:

everything i dont like about this map
00:09:307 (9307|3,9601|1,9601|0,9895|2,10190|3,10190|1,10484|2,10631|0,10778|3,10778|1,11072|0,11366|3,11366|2) - the usage of ln reflects the vocals
00:11:954 (11954|3,11954|0,12248|2,12542|0,12542|3,12837|0,13131|2,13131|1,13425|3,13572|0,13719|2,13719|3,13866|1) - but right after you decide to do your own thing?
00:13:131 (13131|2,13131|1,13425|3) - specifically here, you acknowledge the vocal but its so inconsistent with what previously occurred

imo i would never even use ln like this but hey man its whatever

01:16:660 (76660|3,76660|2,76660|0,76807|0,76807|1,76954|3,76954|2,76954|0,77101|1,77101|3,77248|2,77248|0,77248|3,77542|0,77542|1,77542|3,77690|1,77690|2,77837|0,77837|1,77837|3,77984|1,77984|2,78131|3,78131|2,78131|0,78425|1,78425|2,78425|3,78572|2,78572|1,78719|0,78719|2,78719|3,78866|3,78866|1,79013|0,79013|2,79013|3,79307|0,79307|2,79307|3,79454|3,79454|2,79601|0,79601|1,79601|2,79748|0,79748|3,79895|3,79895|1,79895|0) -
im really not a fan of this stop-go style of mapping found in mania osumania maps, but hey at least youre fitting in


01:21:660 (81660|3,81660|1,81807|2,81954|0,81954|1,82101|3,82248|2,82248|0,82395|1,82542|2,82542|3,82690|1,82837|2,82837|0,82984|3,83131|1,83131|2,83278|0,83425|1,83425|3,83572|0) - none of these fucking lns make sense whatsoever
what are you mapping to? vocals? because theyre also prevalent here for example 01:21:366 (81366|0,81366|1,81513|2) -

the whole usage of ln throughout the entire map is wonky as fuck
"I would never map like this" hence.
01:26:072 (86072|2,86072|3,86072|0,86219|0,86219|1,86366|0,86366|1,86366|3,86513|3,86513|2,86660|1,86660|2,86660|0,86954|3,86954|2,86954|1,87101|1,87101|3,87248|1,87248|0,87248|2,87395|3,87395|0,87542|1,87542|3,87542|0,87837|1,87837|2,87837|0,87984|3,87984|0,88131|0,88131|1,88131|3,88278|2,88278|1,88425|3,88425|2,88425|0,88719|2,88719|3,88719|1,88866|0,88866|1,89013|3,89013|2,89013|0,89160|1,89160|2,89307|1) - more of this shit lmaao

why did you choose to have only one note here? 01:29:307 (89307|1) -
clearly there is drum noise

the entirety of 01:29:307 to 01:32:837 is completely undermapped as fuck (seeing as its the kiai time of the song???)


i like the section from 01:37:837 and forward, some other parts of the map were also having these patterns. p cool <3


01:44:895 (104895|3,105042|1,105190|2,105190|0,105337|1,105410|2,105484|0,105484|1,105631|2,105778|3,105851|2,105925|1,105925|3,106072|2,106219|0,106219|1,106366|3,106513|1,106587|0,106660|3,106807|0) - this is acceptable. lovely gg


all of 02:06:072 (126072|2,126072|3,126219|1,126366|0,126366|2,126513|2,126660|1,126660|0,126807|2,126954|1,127101|0,127175|2,127248|1,127395|2,127395|3,127542|0,127690|3,127837|0,127837|2,127984|3,128057|2,128131|0,128278|3,128278|2,128425|0,128572|2,128719|1,128719|3,128866|1,129013|2,129013|3,129160|1,129307|2,129454|1,129528|2,129601|3,129748|2,129748|0,129895|2,130042|1,130190|0,130190|2,130337|1,130410|0,130410|2,130484|1,130631|0,130631|2,130778|1,130925|3,131072|0,131072|2,131219|0,131366|2,131366|3,131513|0,131660|3,131807|2,131807|0,131881|3,131954|2,132101|1,132101|0,132248|3,132395|0,132542|1,132542|3,132690|0,132763|2,132837|3,132984|2,132984|0,133131|0,133278|2,133425|3,133572|2,133719|3,133719|1,133866|0,134013|2,134160|1,134160|0,134234|2,134307|1,134454|3,134454|2,134601|0,134748|2,134895|3,134895|0,135042|1,135116|2,135190|3,135337|1,135337|2,135484|3,135631|2,135778|0,135925|1,136072|0,136072|2) -
and a little bit later, i wouldve mapped differently, giving more emphases to other songs.
Ln usage.. ehh



02:29:895 (149895|2,149895|0,150042|1,150190|3,150190|2,150337|0,150484|3,150484|1,150631|2,150778|1,150778|0,150925|2,151072|3,151072|1,151219|0,151366|2,151366|1,151513|3,151660|0,151660|2,151807|3,151954|1,151954|2) - hilarious

the rest of the map is fairly similar.
its up to you what to do,. kid

KcHecKa wrote:

everything i dont like about this map
00:09:307 (9307|3,9601|1,9601|0,9895|2,10190|3,10190|1,10484|2,10631|0,10778|3,10778|1,11072|0,11366|3,11366|2) - the usage of ln reflects the vocals yep
00:11:954 (11954|3,11954|0,12248|2,12542|0,12542|3,12837|0,13131|2,13131|1,13425|3,13572|0,13719|2,13719|3,13866|1) - but right after you decide to do your own thing? No idea what you are talking about here, I mapped vocals
00:13:131 (13131|2,13131|1,13425|3) - specifically here, you acknowledge the vocal but its so inconsistent with what previously occurred I mapped the vocals here as well (looking at the rest of your mod, was your ver. of my map up to date?

imo i would never even use ln like this but hey man its whatever There's always more then 1 way to map a song, that's what I like about mapping. So hey, it'd make sense that someone wouldn't map the same way I would, logically speaking)

01:16:660 (76660|3,76660|2,76660|0,76807|0,76807|1,76954|3,76954|2,76954|0,77101|1,77101|3,77248|2,77248|0,77248|3,77542|0,77542|1,77542|3,77690|1,77690|2,77837|0,77837|1,77837|3,77984|1,77984|2,78131|3,78131|2,78131|0,78425|1,78425|2,78425|3,78572|2,78572|1,78719|0,78719|2,78719|3,78866|3,78866|1,79013|0,79013|2,79013|3,79307|0,79307|2,79307|3,79454|3,79454|2,79601|0,79601|1,79601|2,79748|0,79748|3,79895|3,79895|1,79895|0) -
im really not a fan of this stop-go style of mapping found in mania osumania maps, but hey at least youre fitting in 1: I don't really see too many maps with this kind of thing, You probably just played more then me, but I'd have to say it's relatively uncommon.
2: It does fit the song though.


01:21:660 (81660|3,81660|1,81807|2,81954|0,81954|1,82101|3,82248|2,82248|0,82395|1,82542|2,82542|3,82690|1,82837|2,82837|0,82984|3,83131|1,83131|2,83278|0,83425|1,83425|3,83572|0) - none of these fucking lns make sense whatsoever Yeah, and neither does the beginning of your post. They are there to flavor the map and it flows nice. It's just my gimmick.
what are you mapping to? vocals? because theyre also prevalent here for example 01:21:366 (81366|0,81366|1,81513|2) - I'm doing my own thing... ;)

the whole usage of ln throughout the entire map is wonky as fuck
"I would never map like this" hence.
01:26:072 (86072|2,86072|3,86072|0,86219|0,86219|1,86366|0,86366|1,86366|3,86513|3,86513|2,86660|1,86660|2,86660|0,86954|3,86954|2,86954|1,87101|1,87101|3,87248|1,87248|0,87248|2,87395|3,87395|0,87542|1,87542|3,87542|0,87837|1,87837|2,87837|0,87984|3,87984|0,88131|0,88131|1,88131|3,88278|2,88278|1,88425|3,88425|2,88425|0,88719|2,88719|3,88719|1,88866|0,88866|1,89013|3,89013|2,89013|0,89160|1,89160|2,89307|1) - more of this shit lmaao
*Complains about inconsistency, Then proceeds to complain about consistency. #logic

why did you choose to have only one note here? 01:29:307 (89307|1) - No idea what map you are looking at, that's always been a tripple.
clearly there is drum noise Apparently i'm deaf.

the entirety of 01:29:307 to 01:32:837 is completely undermapped as fuck (seeing as its the kiai time of the song???) Yes, let me make this Kiai section nothing but tripples... oh and the last one nothing but quads! YOU'RE A GENIUS!!! Nah, I'm good.


i like the section from 01:37:837 and forward, some other parts of the map were also having these patterns. p cool <3 <--- You just got creepy.


01:44:895 (104895|3,105042|1,105190|2,105190|0,105337|1,105410|2,105484|0,105484|1,105631|2,105778|3,105851|2,105925|1,105925|3,106072|2,106219|0,106219|1,106366|3,106513|1,106587|0,106660|3,106807|0) - this is acceptable. lovely gg Oh god, even more creepier, can't tell if you are sarcastic or not, but yeah.


all of 02:06:072 (126072|2,126072|3,126219|1,126366|0,126366|2,126513|2,126660|1,126660|0,126807|2,126954|1,127101|0,127175|2,127248|1,127395|2,127395|3,127542|0,127690|3,127837|0,127837|2,127984|3,128057|2,128131|0,128278|3,128278|2,128425|0,128572|2,128719|1,128719|3,128866|1,129013|2,129013|3,129160|1,129307|2,129454|1,129528|2,129601|3,129748|2,129748|0,129895|2,130042|1,130190|0,130190|2,130337|1,130410|0,130410|2,130484|1,130631|0,130631|2,130778|1,130925|3,131072|0,131072|2,131219|0,131366|2,131366|3,131513|0,131660|3,131807|2,131807|0,131881|3,131954|2,132101|1,132101|0,132248|3,132395|0,132542|1,132542|3,132690|0,132763|2,132837|3,132984|2,132984|0,133131|0,133278|2,133425|3,133572|2,133719|3,133719|1,133866|0,134013|2,134160|1,134160|0,134234|2,134307|1,134454|3,134454|2,134601|0,134748|2,134895|3,134895|0,135042|1,135116|2,135190|3,135337|1,135337|2,135484|3,135631|2,135778|0,135925|1,136072|0,136072|2) -
and a little bit later, i wouldve mapped differently, giving more emphases to other songs. Thanks for not being so rude on this one, although I don't really see what you are envisioning here, so I'm going to keep it here. If you want, you are free to make suggestions (As long as you are serious about it.)
Ln usage.. ehh I'm not really big on the stereotypical LN usage, but I feel that it works?



02:29:895 (149895|2,149895|0,150042|1,150190|3,150190|2,150337|0,150484|3,150484|1,150631|2,150778|1,150778|0,150925|2,151072|3,151072|1,151219|0,151366|2,151366|1,151513|3,151660|0,151660|2,151807|3,151954|1,151954|2) - hilarious Thanks, I've been working on my sit down commedy for the last 2:29:894- minutes, I thought this would be a good punchline.

the rest of the map is fairly similar.
its up to you what to do,. kid

KcHecKa wrote:

Completely irresponsible.

Kurai wrote:

METADATA CHECK

Official metadata source:
Nico Video, Kushi's channel: http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm10456879
Kushi's Twitter: https://twitter.com/kushi94/status/28490166094

Artist: Φ串Φ
Artist (romanised): Kushi (romanising it to PHIKushiPHI would be rather inappropriate in my opinion, the Φ are mostly added for decoration and are not pronounced, not 100% sure about this though)
Title: サクラノ前夜 (Speed Up Ver.)
Title (romanised): Sakura no Zenya (Speed Up Ver.)

Add "Hatsune Miku", "初音ミク", "Utaite" and "歌い手" in the tags as well?

reason : You map difficult is Insane, only easy and normal difficult can use 2 hitsound at 1 note. so make sure, if you want to make insane mod. you must think about how many note and hitsound do you need

Your hitsound and your note is equal.
Example : You use 2 Hitsounds or more to 1 note like this


you must fix it, like this

and