inner oni test
01:15 duski: hi, could you try out my map and tell me what you think?
01:15 *duski is listening to [https://osu.ppy.sh/b/1306091 Camellia - Towards The Horizon]
01:22 Nofool: some focus switch seem too brutal
01:22 Nofool: 00:32:273 (22,23,24,25) - this looks empty compared to the rest of the part
01:23 duski: it used to have a kd kd pattern
01:23 duski: but i removed it at some point hmm
01:23 Nofool: k kddkddk sounds alright
01:24 Nofool: idk you could try many different patterns there
01:24 Nofool: just following the k d d k is weird cause this sound is all over the part but you followthe other sound for the structures around
01:25 duski: hmm
01:25 duski: okay
01:25 Nofool: some breaks are a bit awkward to play in my point of view
01:25 duski: i added some notes in there so its not empty
01:25 Nofool: 00:41:988 -
01:25 Nofool: does not quite fit the melody
01:26 Nofool: 00:41:988 -
01:26 Nofool: same etc
01:26 Nofool: i mean i see what you are doing
01:26 Nofool: the first part of the pattern fits the melody then the rest fit the dub sound d d k
01:26 Nofool: but the result is awkward ingame to me
01:26 Nofool: better focus on the melody
01:28 Nofool: and right on the following part you totaly dodge those sound smh
01:28 Nofool: 00:41:988 - / - 00:41:988 -
01:29 Nofool: 00:51:217 (149,150,151) - while here you emphasize them
01:29 Nofool: that sounds better already
01:30 Nofool: 00:51:217 (149,150,151) - same here this follows the melody but the whole rest of the part fits the dub sounds
01:31 Nofool: 01:00:641 (197,198,199) - this was the correct solution
01:31 Nofool: you should probably do the same at 51 sec
01:32 duski: btw dont think im ignoring you or anything, im processing every single message
01:32 duski: and trying to think of solutions
01:32 Nofool: i know dont worry
01:33 duski: so you think i should just focus on melody
01:33 duski: thats like the main point here.. riiiight?
01:33 duski: or am i completely fucking dumb
01:33 Nofool: nope
01:34 Nofool: some parts i think you should
01:34 Nofool: but some other (the last one i talked about, at 51s), you can keep the other fous
01:34 Nofool: focus*
01:34 Nofool: but mixing up both makes it weird at some point
01:35 Nofool: in the last kiai you "mainly" focus melody and the result seems alright to me
01:35 Nofool: unless the part at - 01:37:558 - where you suddenly swaped focus again and it feels empty
01:36 duski: yeah thats true
01:36 duski: thats crap right there
01:36 duski: like earlier in the kiai ive been following the melody but later in the same kiai i dont
01:36 duski: wtf
01:37 Nofool: xd
01:37 Nofool: well its alright overall you got the right patterns but you just need to make your mind on some part
01:37 Nofool: i dont get if you just tried to get variety out of it
01:38 duski: 00:50:537 (149,150,151,152,153,154) - i guess this is what i need to figure out
01:38 duski: kinda fixed the other problems so far
01:39 Nofool: this is good
01:39 Nofool: i think i fucked my timing earlier
01:39 duski: oh
01:39 Nofool: what is not good is
01:39 duski: yes
01:39 duski: ive been confused about this part for so long now
01:39 duski: ..
01:39 Nofool: well not good
01:39 Nofool: 00:44:903 (110,111,112,113,114) -
01:39 Nofool: this eemed weird to me
01:40 Nofool: because you dodge the sound you emphasize at that other part you just linkd
01:41 Nofool: 00:45:000 - / 00:45:291 - adding d at those spots fix it up to me
01:41 Nofool: but if you wanna keep duplets, you just have to work around those two d
01:41 duski: lmao i just did that exact same thing
01:41 Nofool: but not having anything at those timing is weird
01:41 duski: what you just suggested
01:42 Nofool: 00:54:229 (163,164,165,166,167,168,169,170,171) - then this concerned me to
01:42 Nofool: too*
01:42 duski: ok i think i made it okay-ish now
01:42 Nofool: idk if you did something there
01:42 Nofool: 01:00:641 (197,198,199) - just redo this there imo
01:42 Nofool: i mean what you have at 1min is ok, do it at 54sec too
01:43 Nofool: it instantly shows the player that you swaped focus for that part so its better
01:43 duski: done
01:44 Nofool: aight me (almost) last point was the empty part at the end of the kiai but you did something already? or at least have it in mind
01:45 duski: after 1:37?
01:45 Nofool: yes
01:45 duski: yes i fixed that
01:45 Nofool: ok
01:45 duski: what do you think of the ending
01:46 Nofool: yeah so basically im fine with your ending except i would add k at - 01:49:993 - and - 01:51:353 - for a better flow
01:47 duski: okiedokie
01:47 duski: done'd that too
01:47 Nofool: about the 1/6 tbh its subjective
01:47 Nofool: i would have probably do something different but it doesnt disturb me like it is
01:48 Nofool: 01:49:022 - and maybe add a d there for the flow too hue
01:49 duski: well some of those sounds are even 1/8
01:49 duski: but it becomes a mess if i start mixing 1/6 and 1/8
01:49 duski: i think
01:49 Nofool: yea
01:50 Nofool: BN/QAT choice about what is right there i guess........
01:51 Nofool: about the other diff i guess you might have ides about what you need to change (if you did the same scheme about the focus swap) ?
01:51 duski: yes i certainly do
01:51 duski: theyre slightly WIP
01:51 duski: i have no clue how to do good easy difficulties
01:51 duski: and they dont have finishers yet anyway
01:52 Nofool: k
01:52 duski: hmm
01:52 duski: in the ending though
01:52 duski: should i respect the sounds in the song
01:52 duski: or should i make it more readable
01:52 Nofool: where
01:53 duski: 01:48:374 (16,17,18,19,20,21,22,23) -
01:53 duski: this for example
01:53 duski: like it has five 1/6 sounds
01:53 duski: and then a burst of three sounds in 1/8
01:54 duski: actually it seems like the first note in that pattern comes slightly earlier
01:54 duski: at least when im trying to listen through that on 25% speed
01:54 Nofool: mmmmm it definitely plays better for the average player with full 1/6
01:54 duski: like
01:54 duski: https://gyazo.com/baa1ae2b95975b135c395de413358ef2
01:54 duski: this is how i hear it
01:54 Nofool: but yeah you'r right the end is 1/8
01:55 Nofool: actually both ways are right to me, full 1/6 have better playability for most of the player
01:55 duski: but i mean this is supposed to be the hardest diff anyway so i guess i should put everything the song has to offer
01:55 duski: in terms of difficulty
01:55 duski: yes
01:55 duski: much easier to read and play
01:55 Nofool: while 1/6 + 1/8 is the right snapping
01:55 Nofool: but is harder/might play weird
01:55 duski: kinda sucks to have a difficulty spike like this on a 5.2* map x_x
01:55 Nofool: i dont mind weird stuff, this is still playable
01:55 Nofool: but i dont know what BNs think about that
01:56 duski: and well i think an underweighted map would be a good change in 2017 mapping h4h4
01:56 Nofool: lul
01:57 duski: oh well thanks for everything
01:57 duski: ill add your name in the honorable mentions
01:57 Nofool: xd
01:57 duski: when i make another update
01:57 Nofool: want me to post the mp instead?
01:57 Nofool: to up your sp count
01:15 *duski is listening to [https://osu.ppy.sh/b/1306091 Camellia - Towards The Horizon]
01:22 Nofool: some focus switch seem too brutal
01:22 Nofool: 00:32:273 (22,23,24,25) - this looks empty compared to the rest of the part
01:23 duski: it used to have a kd kd pattern
01:23 duski: but i removed it at some point hmm
01:23 Nofool: k kddkddk sounds alright
01:24 Nofool: idk you could try many different patterns there
01:24 Nofool: just following the k d d k is weird cause this sound is all over the part but you followthe other sound for the structures around
01:25 duski: hmm
01:25 duski: okay
01:25 Nofool: some breaks are a bit awkward to play in my point of view
01:25 duski: i added some notes in there so its not empty
01:25 Nofool: 00:41:988 -
01:25 Nofool: does not quite fit the melody
01:26 Nofool: 00:41:988 -
01:26 Nofool: same etc
01:26 Nofool: i mean i see what you are doing
01:26 Nofool: the first part of the pattern fits the melody then the rest fit the dub sound d d k
01:26 Nofool: but the result is awkward ingame to me
01:26 Nofool: better focus on the melody
01:28 Nofool: and right on the following part you totaly dodge those sound smh
01:28 Nofool: 00:41:988 - / - 00:41:988 -
01:29 Nofool: 00:51:217 (149,150,151) - while here you emphasize them
01:29 Nofool: that sounds better already
01:30 Nofool: 00:51:217 (149,150,151) - same here this follows the melody but the whole rest of the part fits the dub sounds
01:31 Nofool: 01:00:641 (197,198,199) - this was the correct solution
01:31 Nofool: you should probably do the same at 51 sec
01:32 duski: btw dont think im ignoring you or anything, im processing every single message
01:32 duski: and trying to think of solutions
01:32 Nofool: i know dont worry
01:33 duski: so you think i should just focus on melody
01:33 duski: thats like the main point here.. riiiight?
01:33 duski: or am i completely fucking dumb
01:33 Nofool: nope
01:34 Nofool: some parts i think you should
01:34 Nofool: but some other (the last one i talked about, at 51s), you can keep the other fous
01:34 Nofool: focus*
01:34 Nofool: but mixing up both makes it weird at some point
01:35 Nofool: in the last kiai you "mainly" focus melody and the result seems alright to me
01:35 Nofool: unless the part at - 01:37:558 - where you suddenly swaped focus again and it feels empty
01:36 duski: yeah thats true
01:36 duski: thats crap right there
01:36 duski: like earlier in the kiai ive been following the melody but later in the same kiai i dont
01:36 duski: wtf
01:37 Nofool: xd
01:37 Nofool: well its alright overall you got the right patterns but you just need to make your mind on some part
01:37 Nofool: i dont get if you just tried to get variety out of it
01:38 duski: 00:50:537 (149,150,151,152,153,154) - i guess this is what i need to figure out
01:38 duski: kinda fixed the other problems so far
01:39 Nofool: this is good
01:39 Nofool: i think i fucked my timing earlier
01:39 duski: oh
01:39 Nofool: what is not good is
01:39 duski: yes
01:39 duski: ive been confused about this part for so long now
01:39 duski: ..
01:39 Nofool: well not good
01:39 Nofool: 00:44:903 (110,111,112,113,114) -
01:39 Nofool: this eemed weird to me
01:40 Nofool: because you dodge the sound you emphasize at that other part you just linkd
01:41 Nofool: 00:45:000 - / 00:45:291 - adding d at those spots fix it up to me
01:41 Nofool: but if you wanna keep duplets, you just have to work around those two d
01:41 duski: lmao i just did that exact same thing
01:41 Nofool: but not having anything at those timing is weird
01:41 duski: what you just suggested
01:42 Nofool: 00:54:229 (163,164,165,166,167,168,169,170,171) - then this concerned me to
01:42 Nofool: too*
01:42 duski: ok i think i made it okay-ish now
01:42 Nofool: idk if you did something there
01:42 Nofool: 01:00:641 (197,198,199) - just redo this there imo
01:42 Nofool: i mean what you have at 1min is ok, do it at 54sec too
01:43 Nofool: it instantly shows the player that you swaped focus for that part so its better
01:43 duski: done
01:44 Nofool: aight me (almost) last point was the empty part at the end of the kiai but you did something already? or at least have it in mind
01:45 duski: after 1:37?
01:45 Nofool: yes
01:45 duski: yes i fixed that
01:45 Nofool: ok
01:45 duski: what do you think of the ending
01:46 Nofool: yeah so basically im fine with your ending except i would add k at - 01:49:993 - and - 01:51:353 - for a better flow
01:47 duski: okiedokie
01:47 duski: done'd that too
01:47 Nofool: about the 1/6 tbh its subjective
01:47 Nofool: i would have probably do something different but it doesnt disturb me like it is
01:48 Nofool: 01:49:022 - and maybe add a d there for the flow too hue
01:49 duski: well some of those sounds are even 1/8
01:49 duski: but it becomes a mess if i start mixing 1/6 and 1/8
01:49 duski: i think
01:49 Nofool: yea
01:50 Nofool: BN/QAT choice about what is right there i guess........
01:51 Nofool: about the other diff i guess you might have ides about what you need to change (if you did the same scheme about the focus swap) ?
01:51 duski: yes i certainly do
01:51 duski: theyre slightly WIP
01:51 duski: i have no clue how to do good easy difficulties
01:51 duski: and they dont have finishers yet anyway
01:52 Nofool: k
01:52 duski: hmm
01:52 duski: in the ending though
01:52 duski: should i respect the sounds in the song
01:52 duski: or should i make it more readable
01:52 Nofool: where
01:53 duski: 01:48:374 (16,17,18,19,20,21,22,23) -
01:53 duski: this for example
01:53 duski: like it has five 1/6 sounds
01:53 duski: and then a burst of three sounds in 1/8
01:54 duski: actually it seems like the first note in that pattern comes slightly earlier
01:54 duski: at least when im trying to listen through that on 25% speed
01:54 Nofool: mmmmm it definitely plays better for the average player with full 1/6
01:54 duski: like
01:54 duski: https://gyazo.com/baa1ae2b95975b135c395de413358ef2
01:54 duski: this is how i hear it
01:54 Nofool: but yeah you'r right the end is 1/8
01:55 Nofool: actually both ways are right to me, full 1/6 have better playability for most of the player
01:55 duski: but i mean this is supposed to be the hardest diff anyway so i guess i should put everything the song has to offer
01:55 duski: in terms of difficulty
01:55 duski: yes
01:55 duski: much easier to read and play
01:55 Nofool: while 1/6 + 1/8 is the right snapping
01:55 Nofool: but is harder/might play weird
01:55 duski: kinda sucks to have a difficulty spike like this on a 5.2* map x_x
01:55 Nofool: i dont mind weird stuff, this is still playable
01:55 Nofool: but i dont know what BNs think about that
01:56 duski: and well i think an underweighted map would be a good change in 2017 mapping h4h4
01:56 Nofool: lul
01:57 duski: oh well thanks for everything
01:57 duski: ill add your name in the honorable mentions
01:57 Nofool: xd
01:57 duski: when i make another update
01:57 Nofool: want me to post the mp instead?
01:57 Nofool: to up your sp count