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Pimpi88 wrote:

PS: http://osu.ppy.sh/p/beatmap?b=261&m=2 why the first place guy in the list is first if he has a C and with HR + HD?
That score doesn't look right to me
He missed 65 droplets (hence the C) but didn't miss the fruits so the score multiplier wasn't gone.. and HD+HR has a higher score multiplier than HD+DT in CTB

Edit: Totally got ninja'd.
Firo Prochainezo
Teehee
Ibuki Suika

Pimpi88 wrote:

PS: http://osu.ppy.sh/p/beatmap?b=261&m=2 why the first place guy in the list is first if he has a C and with HR + HD?
That score doesn't look right to me
CTB's acc and evaluation depends on the fruit off
As long as large fruit did not fall. small fruit off a lot, as is a low-acc, D evaluation, but this does not prevent him fc this map
1small fruit=10Score
in spinner,1fruit=1000Score
:roll:
Now you understand?
Krzysiek
TL;DR version:
Cookiezi provided video with decisive proof, mikhe didn't. I like Cookiezi action and don't like mikhe's. I'm aware it's not enough to provide 100% sure answer whether mikhe cheated or not.

Long version:
Why people are accusing mikhe?
Same as "Why ppl are accusing Cookiezi?". It's because their skill break the limits. They awesome x-D.

he is not cheating, because what he made is possible
I don't agree with that statement as it is. There weren't single case where ppl hacked CtB's allowed movement speed, yet there were cheaters.

Kohzuki is only jealous that mikhe is first and he don't
I wouldn't be jumping to conclusions. Some ppl (me included) simply hate cheating (it ruins the competition).

This is really stupid. He is accusing and don't have proofs
Yup, same with Cookiezi.

Most of people in this thread are with mikhe because they know him and know that he is not cheater ok?
Change "know" to "believe" and sentence is right. I agree that more ppl are with mikhe than against him (did a fast calculation before replying), though it doesn't mean anything.

Next time people want to accuse someone, has to show some proof before posting
You'd have to take measurements attacking ones privacy to record double screen action or key macro (that is, if a cheater isn't a total fool like one ressurected key macro cheater there). Well, as IceBeam stated (page122 of this thread - I recommend reading, cos it's all truth for me :->), it's impossible to prove someone's cheating.

My comparison with Cookiezi is to show how both players behaved. TBH I didn't read and dunno if someone officialy on forums stated that (but in #osu it was pretty common) Cookiezi cheated. What I know is that we can see him in action and it looks awesome o/. On the other hand we have mikhe who's more dissapointing because (long story short):
1. "I need time for two cameras"... why?
2. This was taking too long.
3. Getting angry all of sudden.
4. Poor FL skills compared to his past.
5. The worst of them all: he eventually didn't provide decisive proof, but he could easily do it. He just needed to turn camera just a little or add sound. But he didn't do it that makes some of us (and me tbh) think he did it with purpose.

I don't say mikhe cheated, but I like Cookiezi's actions, and don't like his. Proving stuff need manners, which mikhe's lacked here. He left us without answer (or can someone say he's 100% sure after watching that video with montage and can object to my interesting story back in pages :->).

Oh and spinner fruit is 1100 no matter the mods ^^.
Pimpi
@Krzysiek
TL;DR version:
Cookiezi provided video with decisive proof, mikhe didn't. I like Cookiezi action and don't like mikhe's. I'm aware it's not enough to provide 100% sure answer whether mikhe cheated or not.
Sometimes people don't have time for playing and wasting time (specially now holidays).
The video seems a little strange, yes, but will make answers appear instantly? No. Best way is to contact a moderator or someone (like peppy) with the access to see all the information of the account

Same as "Why ppl are accusing Cookiezi?". It's because their skill break the limits. They awesome x-D.
Yes, he surpass some of the pro players skill limits.
After seeing the historical statistics you can see clearly that he repeat most of the harder maps on osu! and when you see a cheater, it has a lower play count and/or spinner hack in the replays.
So if you have the knowledge, then can you explain me how they cheat?

I don't agree with that statement as it is. There weren't single case where ppl hacked CtB's allowed movement speed, yet there were cheaters.
I was saying that he not accomplish the request made of the guys that believe he is a cheater but he pass that map.. but anyway.. this is not so important.
Proof is the keyword here.

I wouldn't be jumping to conclusions.
Who's jumping to conclusions? ''Change "know" to "believe" and sentence is right. I agree that more ppl are with mikhe than against him (did a fast calculation before replying), though it doesn't mean anything.

Some ppl (me included) simply hate cheating (it ruins the competition).
Same as me: cheating is for retarded people.

About the ctb stuff you all say to me
Idk, but that ctb spinner fruit thing seems noonsense for me because it no matter if you have 3 or 4 mods because if a person have 2, 1 or 0 mods and if he grab a lot of the spinner fruits that then it will achieve a better score than the better 3 - 4 mod achieve.
This doesn't make sense to me but the game was created that way I will try to see this by myself.
Dean

Pimpi88 wrote:

Idk, but that ctb spinner fruit thing seems noonsense for me because it no matter if you have 3 or 4 mods because if a person have 2, 1 or 0 mods and if he grab a lot of the spinner fruits that then it will achieve a better score than the better 3 - 4 mod achieve.
This doesn't make sense to me but the game was created that way I will try to see this by myself.
It's basically like this:
In Catch the Beat, there are four types of fruits: the normal kind, large fruit drops, small fruit drops and spinner fruits. Normal, large and small fruit drops all affect accuracy the same amount, however small missing a small fruit drop will not break combo and catching one will not increase combo. On top of this, they are worth a mere 10 points, meaning a lot of players will not bother to catch them.

This is how players with lower accuracy can still Full Combo a map, and beat players with higher accuracy. Spinners are the primary way to seperate players who have both FCed a map (unlike standard osu!, in which it's accuracy), as a spinner fruit is worth 1,100 points - it takes 110 small fruit drops to equal a spinner fruit. Darksoul is #1 on that map because he caught every fruit important to maintaining combo (but dropping a lot of small fruit drops), and used the highest mods of everyone who has FCed that map (Hid + HR > Hid + DT). His 'C' ranking means he got 85%-90% accuracy (letter rankings are based purely on accuracy in CtB).
KRZY
Heh, I think it's good time we drop the mikhe case now. Shit happens, but we should know to move on.
Salvage
http://osu.ppy.sh/u/363478

map : http://osu.ppy.sh/b/54853

That guy haves 2k plays and does , in this map (difficulty Heromon and Kuromon) a really weird spin , specially in Heromon one , stole my 2 tops and to get em back i had to add a mod , tho he had more 100's than me on both , the weird thing is the low play count so he could be a multi also .. :].
Pimpi

KRZY wrote:

Heh, I think it's good time we drop the mikhe case now. Shit happens, but we should know to move on.
Support.
If people can do this, will be best for everyone.
Thank you

Dean wrote:

It's basically like this:
In Catch the Beat, there are four types of fruits: the normal kind, large fruit drops, small fruit drops and spinner fruits. Normal, large and small fruit drops all affect accuracy the same amount, however small missing a small fruit drop will not break combo and catching one will not increase combo. On top of this, they are worth a mere 10 points, meaning a lot of players will not bother to catch them.

This is how players with lower accuracy can still Full Combo a map, and beat players with higher accuracy. Spinners are the primary way to seperate players who have both FCed a map (unlike standard osu!, in which it's accuracy), as a spinner fruit is worth 1,100 points - it takes 110 small fruit drops to equal a spinner fruit. Darksoul is #1 on that map because he caught every fruit important to maintaining combo (but dropping a lot of small fruit drops), and used the highest mods of everyone who has FCed that map (Hid + HR > Hid + DT). His 'C' ranking means he got 85%-90% accuracy (letter rankings are based purely on accuracy in CtB).
Surely ctb is unique in most ways.
Thanks for the info.
Tenshi-nyan
http://osu.ppy.sh/b/61332&m=0

The top score, Bikko O_o

someone explain me how that's possible.
xsrsbsns

mekadon wrote:

TKiller wrote:

Bikko has a touchscreen and that has already been discussed a lot of times.
idk apparently he memorises all notes
Keksi
Orkel
Spin hack?

http://osu.ppy.sh/b/19355

Kaxaru's replay on easy diff. Especially visible in the longer spinners. And every spinner is identically spinned at max speed.
Pimpi

Tenshi-nyan wrote:

http://osu.ppy.sh/b/61332&m=0

The top score, Bikko O_o

someone explain me how that's possible.
And

Keksi wrote:

http://osu.ppy.sh/u/281218

New one.
The two are multiaccounts, one of them a brand new.

Orkel wrote:

Spin hack?

http://osu.ppy.sh/b/19355

Kaxaru's replay on easy diff. Especially visible in the longer spinners. And every spinner is identically spinned at max speed.
Yeah, I think he was reported here a few weeks ago.
And it's not the only spinner hacker there.
Orkel
Moderators are too slow in killing off hackers. They should be removed immediately when spotted and not let run rampant for weeks!
Lunah_old

Orkel wrote:

Moderators are too slow in killing off hackers. They should be removed immediately when spotted and not let run rampant for weeks!
Slow ? they don't kill, this is the problem , no one care this topic, and we play with cheaters..
Orkel

Lunah wrote:

Orkel wrote:

Moderators are too slow in killing off hackers. They should be removed immediately when spotted and not let run rampant for weeks!
Slow ? they don't kill, this is the problem , no one care this topic, and we play with cheaters..
Yea peppy has even said that he doesn't read this topic. I'll go PM him about it now then.
Gomo Psivarh

Lunah wrote:

Orkel wrote:

Moderators are too slow in killing off hackers. They should be removed immediately when spotted and not let run rampant for weeks!
Slow ? they don't kill, this is the problem , no one care this topic, and we play with cheaters..
I think peppy can create a replay check team and give the team members the power to ban those obvious hackers like spinner hack, score hack, auto pilot,etc.
Ibuki Suika

Gomo Psivarh wrote:

I think peppy can create a replay check team and give the team members the power to ban those obvious hackers like spinner hack, score hack, auto pilot,etc.
You are questioning the competence of GMT's?
-Lennox-
http://osu.ppy.sh/b/1147

This is not possible with rank 5000 x.x

http://osu.ppy.sh/u/599071
kaouji

Gomo Psivarh wrote:

I think peppy can create a replay check team and give the team members the power to ban those obvious hackers like spinner hack, score hack, auto pilot,etc.
i have told ppy about this idea long long time ago.
Hakeru
http://osu.ppy.sh/b/15225&m=0
Easy diff

#10

spin hack ? check it
Lunah_old

kaouji wrote:

Gomo Psivarh wrote:

I think peppy can create a replay check team and give the team members the power to ban those obvious hackers like spinner hack, score hack, auto pilot,etc.
i have told ppy about this idea long long time ago.
I did too, he said me no
Wuiss
I think he has some reasons?
Orkel

Hakeru Prismriver wrote:

http://osu.ppy.sh/b/15225&m=0
Easy diff

#10

spin hack ? check it
Clearly a spin hack. Sent PM to peppy, although I feel he's ignoring them. I'll keep messaging him about hackers though because he should care about his own community, right?

Right?
Keksi

Orkel wrote:

Clearly a spin hack. Sent PM to peppy, although I feel he's ignoring them. I'll keep messaging him about hackers though because he should care about his own community, right?

Right?

Yes you're Right.
Lunah_old

Wuiss wrote:

I think he has some reasons?
Dunno.. Peppy is a busy person, so i didn't asked him more.. btw i really hope that someone will care this topic
Orkel

Orkel wrote:

Spin hack?

http://osu.ppy.sh/b/19355

Kaxaru's replay on easy diff. Especially visible in the longer spinners. And every spinner is identically spinned at max speed.
More kaxaru:

http://osu.ppy.sh/b/21000 easy #1, hacking most visible at the biggest spinners

His spinning is perfectly stable and at maximum speed, and always at exactly the same size, basically his spins are 100% identical in every replay of his.

Go ban and reset the scores of this ass.


Lunah wrote:

I did too, he said me no
Something has to be done for more rapid hacker response. The current reporting system (this thread that nobody ever checks) is atrociously bad, slow and (often) completely useless.
Zetta
I think there should be a dedicated team looking for hackers and what not instead of forcing the regular mods and peppy to do it.


I know that technically any mod that happens to come across a hacker while playing should be all "instaban!" but I think that rarely happens because they're not actively looking out for them. However if a team of 3-5 people were actively looking for hackers then it would become much easier to ban them.
Orkel
Tororu:

http://osu.ppy.sh/b/78965

#1 on easy, spin hacking visible

He was reported in this thread a long time ago. Guess what? NOTHING WAS DONE. Good job, letting cheaters run rampant. I hate this system.
Glass
http://osu.ppy.sh/b/52922&m=0

Check out the easy diff, it's like, you take all the top spinhackers in osu, put them in a sandbox, and voilà you have this map.

(Not saying everyone on the scoreboard are spin hackers, but look at some of the scores.)
Lunah_old
Same cheater that i reported for Shounen A


http://osu.ppy.sh/b/1147 Marisa wa taihen #1


http://osu.ppy.sh/u/599071

27 plays - IOSYS - Marisa wa Taihen na Mono wo Nusunde Ikimashita [Hard]
Orkel

Lunah wrote:

Same cheater that i reported for Shounen A


http://osu.ppy.sh/b/1147 Marisa wa taihen #1


http://osu.ppy.sh/u/599071

27 plays - IOSYS - Marisa wa Taihen na Mono wo Nusunde Ikimashita [Hard]
He also hacked the scores for these in addition:

http://osu.ppy.sh/b/31334
http://osu.ppy.sh/b/61332
http://osu.ppy.sh/b/36161
mikhe

Lunah wrote:

Same cheater that i reported for Shounen A


http://osu.ppy.sh/b/1147 Marisa wa taihen #1


http://osu.ppy.sh/u/599071

27 plays - IOSYS - Marisa wa Taihen na Mono wo Nusunde Ikimashita [Hard]
Maybe he is a genius.. or not wait.. maybe a multi account.. but only Cookiezi has same skills and he is Korea, then not possible..
Uf.. hard to say.. (irony =.=)
Probably EX7 cheater
KRZY

Lunah wrote:

Same cheater that i reported for Shounen A


http://osu.ppy.sh/b/1147 Marisa wa taihen #1


http://osu.ppy.sh/u/599071

27 plays - IOSYS - Marisa wa Taihen na Mono wo Nusunde Ikimashita [Hard]



lol this account is so obviously a multi-account that it need not even reporting XD

I wonder who though
SilentWings_old
I asked xierbaliti to do a scan for me and it appears that EX7 have like 20 multi accounts. None of the names are well known.
However, if you watch the replay, it looks legit. Even if he did a hack that removed hidden + flashlight, it would be difficulty to fc marisa on hardrock. Only possible explanation is that he is a macro user.
Lunah_old

SilentWings wrote:

I asked xierbaliti to do a scan for me and it appears that EX7 have like 20 multi accounts. None of the names are well known.
However, if you watch the replay, it looks legit. Even if he did a hack that removed hidden + flashlight, it would be difficulty to fc marisa on hardrock. Only possible explanation is that he is a macro user.
viewtopic.php?p=640075#p640075 , yeah


btw he cheats, no one can Shounen A or Marisa so easy
kaxaru

Orkel wrote:

Tororu:

http://osu.ppy.sh/b/78965

#1 on easy, spin hacking visible

He was reported in this thread a long time ago. Guess what? NOTHING WAS DONE. Good job, letting cheaters run rampant. I hate this system.
We was reported in this thread a long time ago too,but nothing has changed.I can tell and show all spin hackers in this game,just will not change again.And even if you look at the first page in this thread, you will see the first spin hackers here and they not were banned.

Orkel wrote:

His spinning is perfectly stable and at maximum speed, and always at exactly the same size, basically his spins are 100% identical in every replay of his.
oh lol,maximum speed...o'rly?
http://osu.ppy.sh/b/60709&m=0
Mastodonio
Here must be a 'cheaters check team' :D Because nobody cares about this cheaters..this guy will be first on Marisa forever xD
I want to become a member of this team :D
KRZY

Lunah wrote:

SilentWings wrote:

I asked xierbaliti to do a scan for me and it appears that EX7 have like 20 multi accounts. None of the names are well known.
However, if you watch the replay, it looks legit. Even if he did a hack that removed hidden + flashlight, it would be difficulty to fc marisa on hardrock. Only possible explanation is that he is a macro user.
viewtopic.php?p=640075#p640075 , yeah


btw he cheats, no one can Shounen A or Marisa so easy


Not if you've been practicing a long time.

How long do you give Cookiezi until he HD FLs Shounen A? Rucker? ReimuSS? XD

EX7 probably isn't a cheater, but a multi-account. Why a certain "pro user' would use a proxied multi-account to set records when he could have with his own account, I have no idea. Why his replays show a lot of 100s in normal notes but all 300s in streams, I also havce no idea (take a look at the Shounen A replay if you don't know what I mean.) But I do want him off the scoreboard.

But then of course, he could be using this super-human-resembling hack program to fool us all. Who knows :P
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