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Krzysiek
237 posts
Joined March 2010
Krzysiek
I think you all take different approaches looking into the video that makes you think you're each other wrong. As a neither Mikhe's friend or foe I can look at the issue without getting involved ;-).

Doing montage of the video is a big no no, no matter what you cut. Proof video is like the only kind of video that shouldn't be montaged because of its purpose (I hope you guys agree). Why? Read it and take it easy cos I'm not a hater nor troll (I think ppl from #osu think the same ^^).

Let's say I state that (play some Phoenix Wright music in the bg :->)
"What really happened is:
1. Mikhe started the game
2. Before pressing "skip" button mikhe paused game, jumped into the key macro program before the montaged 00:04 of video.
3. He started key macro program with some countdown needed to synchronize right with game, then went back to game and unpaused.
4. He resumed recording the video (the "famous" 00:04).
5. Program played throught the map doing some mistakes (well happens, I can't FC it every time with no mod and macro could've registered missed game).
6. He stopped the key macro program at 01:28 (did exactly the same pause->jump to window sequence) because it had glitches that'd make video even more confusing.
That's how it was."

It sure sounds ridiculous for ppl saying mikhe didn't cheat. But the problem is I find it hard to contradict any of those points (point 6 is for the lulz, but something like that could be possible - even thought it'd be really lame x-D) because:
-> getting in synch with countdown isn't hard for CtB players, because they have superior single timing reaction timing to osu! and taiko players. And when you mention CtB god... can't agree any more ^^.
-> there's no hand motion
-> there's no key strike/mouse operation sound
-> there's no start menu bar to show running app (even if there were one, app could've been written into tray icon and hidden)

I'm fine with video as it is, but it's completely understandable for other ppl to be not satisfied with it. That's my repeated opinion -> you shouldn't do montage of proof video no matter what.

And on the last note(s?). People, PLEASE refrain from flames just because you don't agree with each other. The only way to prove things is to provide data. Also telling who's being cool, who's being whiny is rude. It all comes to agree/disagree... come on, don't act like ur doing right now x_x.
Niva
Global Moderator
3,196 posts
Joined November 2009
Niva
Gomo Psivarh isn't a cheater >.<
Yesterday he chatted with me via in-game PM, and he said this:

21:45 <Gomo_Psivarh> : i always play maps offline :D
21:46 <Gomo_Psivarh> : so my play count is very low
21:46 <Nivalis> : i practice hard maps offline, and I only play online if I want to FC something/modding a map
21:46 <Nivalis> : good luck SS-ing no thank you xD
21:47 <Gomo_Psivarh> : thx :D
21:47 <Gomo_Psivarh> : even i wanna submit my score i still play offline:D
21:48 <Gomo_Psivarh> : u play offline, and when u finish it, u go online immediately
21:49 <Gomo_Psivarh> : the score will be uploaded, and count only 1 play count, no matter how many times you retried XD
21:49 <Nivalis> : yes :D
21:49 <Nivalis> : play offline, FC until last spinner, pause, turn on internet, unpause, submit score xD
21:49 <Gomo_Psivarh> : yeah XD

No wonder his playcount is very low :D
He is just a great FL player.
xsrsbsns
1,935 posts
Joined July 2010
xsrsbsns

Krzysiek wrote:

(Huge wall of text) - Excluding 1-6
Exactly. Kinda common sense for a proof video don't you think?

Oh, not that I care about the outcome. I play my own osu! and people play theirs.
The only loss I face here is not being able to see/show people some awesome ctb playing live.
Dean
145 posts
Joined November 2008
Dean
My main gripe with that and any other theories about how he cheated is that it's completely clutching at straws. Yes, the possibility exists, but it also exists for every single osu! player. The video shows within, say, a 99% possibility that he is clean, and that is good enough for me. As CXu said, it's the accusing side that need to prove that he is cheating, and there is not a single thread of evidence to suggest that.

I'm sorry if my words were inflammatory, I can assure you that it is not (and never is) my intention to make people angry. I just got a little worked up about the topic. I don't consider myself one of mikhe's closest friends, but I've seen him grow from a rankings-whore into the best Catch the Beat player in the world, and the idea of him cheating is absurd to me. Once again, my apologies.
Kohzuki_old
26 posts
Joined June 2009
Kohzuki_old
If all these people would be so smart like you Krzysiek then they understand it. some of you said that I am whining and someone even called me 'bitch'. and what about you guys? you are so smart that you can say what you want? you just say that mikhe is not a cheater and everybodyl believe it? but when I make some strong arguments nobody believes me,because some of you are such idiots that you can only talk crap about other people. and what about your arguments? I quote - 'mikhe is a god and he plays a long time so he can't cheat'. is that your argument? or 'mikhe made a video so don't cry now'. he made it yeah? with the help of video montage he made it and you say that 'his camera suddenly moved on 0:04 when he started to play and on 1:28 when he finished to play' His camera is alive that it can move? such people are disgusting for me,because you can't prove your words. but I can. so what now? mikhe is afc as he said,and now of course he can't make another live video with 'not walking camera',yeah? well he doesn't want to play because he is scared that someone will ask him another video. wise choice to go afc.
I don't want to continue this discussion anymore because of some crap talking idiots. but one day when you will understand that I said truth - I will be waiting for apologies. because I just wanted to clear this game from such proud crafty people. so if someone still believes me then he can PM me. That is all.
mikhe
673 posts
Joined November 2008
mikhe

Kohzuki wrote:

mikhe is afc as he said,and now of course he can't make another live video with 'not walking camera',yeah? well he doesn't want to play because he is scared that someone will ask him another video. wise choice to go afc.
I will Afk bcz i think real life is really MORE IMPORTANT than a game, and after holidays i will have some exams (bcz i'm in university) so i have to study hard. Scary not the word, the word is indignant.
But anyway, i really sorry if someone said you some insults or others, we have to take the respect, and i don't like to say "bad words" to someone. Sorry again for that.

Well, definitly, you argue some things, and you posted the possibility that i cheated, but i didn't see any prove (and you know that fact). I did your video, and now i request you close this (like you said) and happy bcz we are in Xmass.

Mikhe out

P.S: Thank people for say me "happy birthday"!! ^^ thanks people :D
Firo Prochainezo
2,140 posts
Joined June 2010
Firo Prochainezo
I'm really sorry for you, mikhe. Hope you pass those exams and Merry Christmas.
Faust
osu! Alumni
4,785 posts
Joined January 2009
Faust
You guys are funny. Just sayin'.
Froslass
Beatmap Nominator
9,345 posts
Joined July 2008
Froslass

Kohzuki wrote:

I make some strong arguments

Kohzuki wrote:

I don't want to continue this discussion anymore because of some crap talking idiots.

You must be retarded or something, seriously.

Merry christmas, mikhe, good luck on your exams.
Glass
1,522 posts
Joined January 2010
Glass

Nivalis wrote:

Gomo Psivarh isn't a cheater >.<
Yesterday he chatted with me via in-game PM, and he said this:

21:45 <Gomo_Psivarh> : i always play maps offline :D
21:46 <Gomo_Psivarh> : so my play count is very low
21:46 <Nivalis> : i practice hard maps offline, and I only play online if I want to FC something/modding a map
21:46 <Nivalis> : good luck SS-ing no thank you xD
21:47 <Gomo_Psivarh> : thx :D
21:47 <Gomo_Psivarh> : even i wanna submit my score i still play offline:D
21:48 <Gomo_Psivarh> : u play offline, and when u finish it, u go online immediately
21:49 <Gomo_Psivarh> : the score will be uploaded, and count only 1 play count, no matter how many times you retried XD
21:49 <Nivalis> : yes :D
21:49 <Nivalis> : play offline, FC until last spinner, pause, turn on internet, unpause, submit score xD
21:49 <Gomo_Psivarh> : yeah XD

No wonder his playcount is very low :D
He is just a great FL player.
Sounds like the whole typical "I've been playing offline/spun out the whole time" excuse.

Also, there is no ending spinner on that NO, Thank You! map, you can't have possibly re-enabled your Internet connection manually there.

I don't get why people make so much of a big deal about their playcounts and pull stunts like this, what does it really do other than create suspicion?
Gomo Psivarh
584 posts
Joined December 2009
Gomo Psivarh

Glass wrote:

Nivalis wrote:

Gomo Psivarh isn't a cheater >.<
Yesterday he chatted with me via in-game PM, and he said this:

21:45 <Gomo_Psivarh> : i always play maps offline :D
21:46 <Gomo_Psivarh> : so my play count is very low
21:46 <Nivalis> : i practice hard maps offline, and I only play online if I want to FC something/modding a map
21:46 <Nivalis> : good luck SS-ing no thank you xD
21:47 <Gomo_Psivarh> : thx :D
21:47 <Gomo_Psivarh> : even i wanna submit my score i still play offline:D
21:48 <Gomo_Psivarh> : u play offline, and when u finish it, u go online immediately
21:49 <Gomo_Psivarh> : the score will be uploaded, and count only 1 play count, no matter how many times you retried XD
21:49 <Nivalis> : yes :D
21:49 <Nivalis> : play offline, FC until last spinner, pause, turn on internet, unpause, submit score xD
21:49 <Gomo_Psivarh> : yeah XD

No wonder his playcount is very low :D
He is just a great FL player.
Sounds like the whole typical "I've been playing offline/spun out the whole time" excuse.

Also, there is no ending spinner on that NO, Thank You! map, you can't have possibly re-enabled your Internet connection manually there.

I don't get why people make so much of a big deal about their playcounts and pull stunts like this, what does it really do other than create suspicion?
A ending spinner is not necessary, just connect to internet before the score screen displayed.

Almost all of my replays have a same action:
After I hit the last note I move the cursor right out of the window and move the cursor back. It indicates when I connect to internet.

Even you have left the score screen and back to the song select screen, you may still be able to upload your replay.
NO, Thank You is a big miss since I hadn't noticed as said above.
My goal is SS it. I practised offline and after a play with 3X100s I connect the net, but I found my replay was uploaded!!
Then Aenna noticed his lost of #1 and get it back before I SS it. I lost. :cry:
Zetta
334 posts
Joined December 2009
Zetta
http://osu.ppy.sh/u/ebichu This dude.

http://osu.ppy.sh/b/75894&m=0

Looked at his replay, cause naturally anyone who beats me is a hacker and I'm looking at his mouse movement and they seems really odd.

He seems to spin his mouse/pen a little when he taps a note and it looks as if it was auto'd because the cursor moves faster at the start then slows down in velocity as it's getting to the note.

Anyway reportad.

edit - orite, spins near the end are little retarded. His mouse dissapears but he never goes over 400 rpm.
Kakarotto_old
667 posts
Joined February 2010
Kakarotto_old
I really want to see Louis Cyphre recording a video with a gameplay of this map: http://osu.ppy.sh/p/beatmap?b=25580&m=2
It's harder than mikhe's song.
-maJu
210 posts
Joined January 2010
-maJu

kakarottz wrote:

I really want to see Louis Cyphre recording a video with a gameplay of this map: http://osu.ppy.sh/p/beatmap?b=25580&m=2
It's harder than mikhe's song.
man, this is possible in FL because lot of parts are same and he needed a lot of tries..
And seriously it's not harder... it's just AR 8 :P
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Kakarotto_old
667 posts
Joined February 2010
Kakarotto_old

-maJu wrote:

kakarottz wrote:

I really want to see Louis Cyphre recording a video with a gameplay of this map: http://osu.ppy.sh/p/beatmap?b=25580&m=2
It's harder than mikhe's song.
man, this is possible in FL because lot of parts are same and he needed a lot of tries..
I know it's possible, and i know he isn't cheater, but i just wanna see.
I'm curious.
Dikobrazkaaa
Dikobrazkaaa

Gomo Psivarh wrote:

A ending spinner is not necessary, just connect to internet before the score screen displayed.

Almost all of my replays have a same action:
After I hit the last note I move the cursor right out of the window and move the cursor back. It indicates when I connect to internet.

Even you have left the score screen and back to the song select screen, you may still be able to upload your replay.
NO, Thank You is a big miss since I hadn't noticed as said above.
My goal is SS it. I practised offline and after a play with 3X100s I connect the net, but I found my replay was uploaded!!
Then Aenna noticed his lost of #1 and get it back before I SS it. I lost. :cry:
It's really good excuse. I'm think that you should make video. It will solve all, because:

Salvage
590 posts
Joined January 2010
Salvage
What's the problem with that? I know Gomo since like a lot (i don't play with him , but i just get top 1's in some easy and normal songs , i try to get more on hards tho but well it's not about me) , and i see him in a lot of maps , saw some replays of him and i think he doesn't cheat at all , the things he do can be totally done if u practice the maps , if i like one map and play it on Flashlight i can easily do it cuz u can start doing it and remember it part from part and just do it , and it's waaay more easier on Normal/Easy maps , that have's less than 300 combo's , maps with 400 combo's are harder , but if u play em enough u can totally remember em , a totally different story is playing maps with high AR or with insane jumps , but there u have Lybydose doing those ones lol .. anyways , i know Gomo is doing top 1 in maps since atleast when i started playing (Beginning of this year) and the things he does are totally achievable if u play the maps enough to remember em , and more if u play FL in mostly every map , for example .. i use Hidden in almost every map i play cuz i find this mod easy to play cuz i play it a lot , if u get used to a mod it's just easier to play with.



Happy christmas to everyone :).
TKiller
4,390 posts
Joined May 2009
TKiller
I actually do the same thing as Gomo Psivarh sometimes when I'm in a bad mood and don't want to be spectated, so..
Kakarotto_old
667 posts
Joined February 2010
Kakarotto_old
Little report: http://osu.ppy.sh/u/471491
Since August and #12 of world?
All scores are Hidden-SS.
Look this post:
viewtopic.php?f=25&t=21061&p=590562#p590562
LirsRosso is another cheater, and he got ban.
I think it's suspicious.
mikhe
673 posts
Joined November 2008
mikhe

kakarottz wrote:

Little report: http://osu.ppy.sh/u/471491
Since August and #12 of world?
All scores are Hidden-SS.
I think it's suspicious.
But i saw him play into Multiplayer, and he did SS too.
I think very good player, no more.

P.S: I got #1 in only 1 month when i started CtB (was 7Bill), then is possible i think.
Kakarotto_old
667 posts
Joined February 2010
Kakarotto_old

mikhe wrote:

kakarottz wrote:

Little report: http://osu.ppy.sh/u/471491
Since August and #12 of world?
All scores are Hidden-SS.
I think it's suspicious.
But i saw him play into Multiplayer, and he did SS too.
I think very good player, no more.

P.S: I got #1 in only 1 month when i started CtB (was 7Bill), then is possible i think.
Hmm, closed case i think.

BUT, i want to see a video of his gameplay, like Dragonforce music.
Kakarotto_old
667 posts
Joined February 2010
Kakarotto_old

Silver Flash wrote:

A long time ago I have an account, but for some reason have forgotten the password, so I registered a new account.
old ID:Klose Bright.
If you still do not believe that I can record a video.
I want to see.
Ibuki Suika
1,254 posts
Joined March 2010
Ibuki Suika

kakarottz wrote:

Silver Flash wrote:

A long time ago I have an account, but for some reason have forgotten the password, so I registered a new account.
old ID:Klose Bright.
If you still do not believe that I can record a video.
I want to see.
His veido
http://v.youku.com/v_show/id_XMjMxODY0NTQ4.html
http://osu.ppy.sh/p/beatmap?b=79614&m=2
If you can't see, to find the time I uploaded to youtube or elsewhere
Kakarotto_old
667 posts
Joined February 2010
Kakarotto_old

wuliang wrote:

His veido
http://v.youku.com/v_show/id_XMjMxODY0NTQ4.html
http://osu.ppy.sh/p/beatmap?b=79614&m=2
If you can't see, to find the time I uploaded to youtube or elsewhere
If it's he, closed case.
Ty.
Gomo Psivarh
584 posts
Joined December 2009
Gomo Psivarh

Dikobrazkaaa wrote:

It's really good excuse. I'm think that you should make video. It will solve all, because:
I can make video after Jan 16,2011 if you want.
pieguyn
2,020 posts
Joined May 2009
pieguyn
http://osu.ppy.sh/b/1145 #1

Looks like some kinda spin hacker.
Glass
1,522 posts
Joined January 2010
Glass

pieguy1372 wrote:

http://osu.ppy.sh/b/1145 #1

Looks like some kinda spin hacker.
Also a multi.
Pimpi
191 posts
Joined January 2010
Pimpi
Why people are accusing mikhe?
I'm not his friend because i don't know him but i can clearly say that he is not cheating, because what he made is possible (most of the ctb players use flashlight and hidden and i don't know how they do that but I know that's not cheating)
Kohzuki is only jealous that mikhe is first and he don't
This is really stupid. He is accusing and don't have proofs
Most of people in this thread are with mikhe because they know him and know that he is not cheater ok?
Next time people want to accuse someone, has to show some proof before posting
Have a nice christmas all of you

PS: http://osu.ppy.sh/p/beatmap?b=261&m=2 why the first place guy in the list is first if he has a C and with HR + HD?
That score doesn't look right to me
Firo Prochainezo
2,140 posts
Joined June 2010
Firo Prochainezo

Pimpi88 wrote:

PS: http://osu.ppy.sh/p/beatmap?b=261&m=2 why the first place guy in the list is first if he has a C and with HR + HD?
That score doesn't look right to me
You get more score on HR rather that DB, so I doubt that's cheating.
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xsrsbsns
1,935 posts
Joined July 2010
xsrsbsns

Pimpi88 wrote:

PS: http://osu.ppy.sh/p/beatmap?b=261&m=2 why the first place guy in the list is first if he has a C and with HR + HD?
That score doesn't look right to me
He missed 65 droplets (hence the C) but didn't miss the fruits so the score multiplier wasn't gone.. and HD+HR has a higher score multiplier than HD+DT in CTB

Edit: Totally got ninja'd.
Firo Prochainezo
2,140 posts
Joined June 2010
Firo Prochainezo
Teehee
Ibuki Suika
1,254 posts
Joined March 2010
Ibuki Suika

Pimpi88 wrote:

PS: http://osu.ppy.sh/p/beatmap?b=261&m=2 why the first place guy in the list is first if he has a C and with HR + HD?
That score doesn't look right to me
CTB's acc and evaluation depends on the fruit off
As long as large fruit did not fall. small fruit off a lot, as is a low-acc, D evaluation, but this does not prevent him fc this map
1small fruit=10Score
in spinner,1fruit=1000Score
:roll:
Now you understand?
Krzysiek
237 posts
Joined March 2010
Krzysiek
TL;DR version:
Cookiezi provided video with decisive proof, mikhe didn't. I like Cookiezi action and don't like mikhe's. I'm aware it's not enough to provide 100% sure answer whether mikhe cheated or not.

Long version:
Why people are accusing mikhe?
Same as "Why ppl are accusing Cookiezi?". It's because their skill break the limits. They awesome x-D.

he is not cheating, because what he made is possible
I don't agree with that statement as it is. There weren't single case where ppl hacked CtB's allowed movement speed, yet there were cheaters.

Kohzuki is only jealous that mikhe is first and he don't
I wouldn't be jumping to conclusions. Some ppl (me included) simply hate cheating (it ruins the competition).

This is really stupid. He is accusing and don't have proofs
Yup, same with Cookiezi.

Most of people in this thread are with mikhe because they know him and know that he is not cheater ok?
Change "know" to "believe" and sentence is right. I agree that more ppl are with mikhe than against him (did a fast calculation before replying), though it doesn't mean anything.

Next time people want to accuse someone, has to show some proof before posting
You'd have to take measurements attacking ones privacy to record double screen action or key macro (that is, if a cheater isn't a total fool like one ressurected key macro cheater there). Well, as IceBeam stated (page122 of this thread - I recommend reading, cos it's all truth for me :->), it's impossible to prove someone's cheating.

My comparison with Cookiezi is to show how both players behaved. TBH I didn't read and dunno if someone officialy on forums stated that (but in #osu it was pretty common) Cookiezi cheated. What I know is that we can see him in action and it looks awesome o/. On the other hand we have mikhe who's more dissapointing because (long story short):
1. "I need time for two cameras"... why?
2. This was taking too long.
3. Getting angry all of sudden.
4. Poor FL skills compared to his past.
5. The worst of them all: he eventually didn't provide decisive proof, but he could easily do it. He just needed to turn camera just a little or add sound. But he didn't do it that makes some of us (and me tbh) think he did it with purpose.

I don't say mikhe cheated, but I like Cookiezi's actions, and don't like his. Proving stuff need manners, which mikhe's lacked here. He left us without answer (or can someone say he's 100% sure after watching that video with montage and can object to my interesting story back in pages :->).

Oh and spinner fruit is 1100 no matter the mods ^^.
Pimpi
191 posts
Joined January 2010
Pimpi
@Krzysiek
TL;DR version:
Cookiezi provided video with decisive proof, mikhe didn't. I like Cookiezi action and don't like mikhe's. I'm aware it's not enough to provide 100% sure answer whether mikhe cheated or not.
Sometimes people don't have time for playing and wasting time (specially now holidays).
The video seems a little strange, yes, but will make answers appear instantly? No. Best way is to contact a moderator or someone (like peppy) with the access to see all the information of the account

Same as "Why ppl are accusing Cookiezi?". It's because their skill break the limits. They awesome x-D.
Yes, he surpass some of the pro players skill limits.
After seeing the historical statistics you can see clearly that he repeat most of the harder maps on osu! and when you see a cheater, it has a lower play count and/or spinner hack in the replays.
So if you have the knowledge, then can you explain me how they cheat?

I don't agree with that statement as it is. There weren't single case where ppl hacked CtB's allowed movement speed, yet there were cheaters.
I was saying that he not accomplish the request made of the guys that believe he is a cheater but he pass that map.. but anyway.. this is not so important.
Proof is the keyword here.

I wouldn't be jumping to conclusions.
Who's jumping to conclusions? ''Change "know" to "believe" and sentence is right. I agree that more ppl are with mikhe than against him (did a fast calculation before replying), though it doesn't mean anything.

Some ppl (me included) simply hate cheating (it ruins the competition).
Same as me: cheating is for retarded people.

About the ctb stuff you all say to me
Idk, but that ctb spinner fruit thing seems noonsense for me because it no matter if you have 3 or 4 mods because if a person have 2, 1 or 0 mods and if he grab a lot of the spinner fruits that then it will achieve a better score than the better 3 - 4 mod achieve.
This doesn't make sense to me but the game was created that way I will try to see this by myself.
Dean
145 posts
Joined November 2008
Dean

Pimpi88 wrote:

Idk, but that ctb spinner fruit thing seems noonsense for me because it no matter if you have 3 or 4 mods because if a person have 2, 1 or 0 mods and if he grab a lot of the spinner fruits that then it will achieve a better score than the better 3 - 4 mod achieve.
This doesn't make sense to me but the game was created that way I will try to see this by myself.
It's basically like this:
In Catch the Beat, there are four types of fruits: the normal kind, large fruit drops, small fruit drops and spinner fruits. Normal, large and small fruit drops all affect accuracy the same amount, however small missing a small fruit drop will not break combo and catching one will not increase combo. On top of this, they are worth a mere 10 points, meaning a lot of players will not bother to catch them.

This is how players with lower accuracy can still Full Combo a map, and beat players with higher accuracy. Spinners are the primary way to seperate players who have both FCed a map (unlike standard osu!, in which it's accuracy), as a spinner fruit is worth 1,100 points - it takes 110 small fruit drops to equal a spinner fruit. Darksoul is #1 on that map because he caught every fruit important to maintaining combo (but dropping a lot of small fruit drops), and used the highest mods of everyone who has FCed that map (Hid + HR > Hid + DT). His 'C' ranking means he got 85%-90% accuracy (letter rankings are based purely on accuracy in CtB).
KRZY
Former osu! Champion: OWC#3
4,850 posts
Joined May 2009
KRZY
Heh, I think it's good time we drop the mikhe case now. Shit happens, but we should know to move on.
Salvage
590 posts
Joined January 2010
Salvage
http://osu.ppy.sh/u/363478

map : http://osu.ppy.sh/b/54853

That guy haves 2k plays and does , in this map (difficulty Heromon and Kuromon) a really weird spin , specially in Heromon one , stole my 2 tops and to get em back i had to add a mod , tho he had more 100's than me on both , the weird thing is the low play count so he could be a multi also .. :].
Pimpi
191 posts
Joined January 2010
Pimpi

KRZY wrote:

Heh, I think it's good time we drop the mikhe case now. Shit happens, but we should know to move on.
Support.
If people can do this, will be best for everyone.
Thank you

Dean wrote:

It's basically like this:
In Catch the Beat, there are four types of fruits: the normal kind, large fruit drops, small fruit drops and spinner fruits. Normal, large and small fruit drops all affect accuracy the same amount, however small missing a small fruit drop will not break combo and catching one will not increase combo. On top of this, they are worth a mere 10 points, meaning a lot of players will not bother to catch them.

This is how players with lower accuracy can still Full Combo a map, and beat players with higher accuracy. Spinners are the primary way to seperate players who have both FCed a map (unlike standard osu!, in which it's accuracy), as a spinner fruit is worth 1,100 points - it takes 110 small fruit drops to equal a spinner fruit. Darksoul is #1 on that map because he caught every fruit important to maintaining combo (but dropping a lot of small fruit drops), and used the highest mods of everyone who has FCed that map (Hid + HR > Hid + DT). His 'C' ranking means he got 85%-90% accuracy (letter rankings are based purely on accuracy in CtB).
Surely ctb is unique in most ways.
Thanks for the info.
Tenshi-nyan
1,482 posts
Joined September 2010
Tenshi-nyan
http://osu.ppy.sh/b/61332&m=0

The top score, Bikko O_o

someone explain me how that's possible.
xsrsbsns
1,935 posts
Joined July 2010
xsrsbsns

mekadon wrote:

TKiller wrote:

Bikko has a touchscreen and that has already been discussed a lot of times.
idk apparently he memorises all notes
Keksi
987 posts
Joined April 2009
Keksi
http://osu.ppy.sh/u/281218

New one.
Orkel
osu! Alumni
450 posts
Joined September 2008
Orkel
Spin hack?

http://osu.ppy.sh/b/19355

Kaxaru's replay on easy diff. Especially visible in the longer spinners. And every spinner is identically spinned at max speed.
Pimpi
191 posts
Joined January 2010
Pimpi

Tenshi-nyan wrote:

http://osu.ppy.sh/b/61332&m=0

The top score, Bikko O_o

someone explain me how that's possible.
And

Keksi wrote:

http://osu.ppy.sh/u/281218

New one.
The two are multiaccounts, one of them a brand new.

Orkel wrote:

Spin hack?

http://osu.ppy.sh/b/19355

Kaxaru's replay on easy diff. Especially visible in the longer spinners. And every spinner is identically spinned at max speed.
Yeah, I think he was reported here a few weeks ago.
And it's not the only spinner hacker there.
Orkel
osu! Alumni
450 posts
Joined September 2008
Orkel
Moderators are too slow in killing off hackers. They should be removed immediately when spotted and not let run rampant for weeks!
Lunah_old
Lunah_old

Orkel wrote:

Moderators are too slow in killing off hackers. They should be removed immediately when spotted and not let run rampant for weeks!
Slow ? they don't kill, this is the problem , no one care this topic, and we play with cheaters..
Orkel
osu! Alumni
450 posts
Joined September 2008
Orkel

Lunah wrote:

Orkel wrote:

Moderators are too slow in killing off hackers. They should be removed immediately when spotted and not let run rampant for weeks!
Slow ? they don't kill, this is the problem , no one care this topic, and we play with cheaters..
Yea peppy has even said that he doesn't read this topic. I'll go PM him about it now then.
Gomo Psivarh
584 posts
Joined December 2009
Gomo Psivarh

Lunah wrote:

Orkel wrote:

Moderators are too slow in killing off hackers. They should be removed immediately when spotted and not let run rampant for weeks!
Slow ? they don't kill, this is the problem , no one care this topic, and we play with cheaters..
I think peppy can create a replay check team and give the team members the power to ban those obvious hackers like spinner hack, score hack, auto pilot,etc.
Ibuki Suika
1,254 posts
Joined March 2010
Ibuki Suika

Gomo Psivarh wrote:

I think peppy can create a replay check team and give the team members the power to ban those obvious hackers like spinner hack, score hack, auto pilot,etc.
You are questioning the competence of GMT's?
-Lennox-
640 posts
Joined September 2010
-Lennox-
http://osu.ppy.sh/b/1147

This is not possible with rank 5000 x.x

http://osu.ppy.sh/u/599071
kaouji
92 posts
Joined February 2009
kaouji

Gomo Psivarh wrote:

I think peppy can create a replay check team and give the team members the power to ban those obvious hackers like spinner hack, score hack, auto pilot,etc.
i have told ppy about this idea long long time ago.
Hakeru
2,360 posts
Joined May 2010
Hakeru
http://osu.ppy.sh/b/15225&m=0
Easy diff

#10

spin hack ? check it
Lunah_old
Lunah_old

kaouji wrote:

Gomo Psivarh wrote:

I think peppy can create a replay check team and give the team members the power to ban those obvious hackers like spinner hack, score hack, auto pilot,etc.
i have told ppy about this idea long long time ago.
I did too, he said me no
Wuiss
354 posts
Joined January 2010
Wuiss
I think he has some reasons?
Orkel
osu! Alumni
450 posts
Joined September 2008
Orkel

Hakeru Prismriver wrote:

http://osu.ppy.sh/b/15225&m=0
Easy diff

#10

spin hack ? check it
Clearly a spin hack. Sent PM to peppy, although I feel he's ignoring them. I'll keep messaging him about hackers though because he should care about his own community, right?

Right?
Keksi
987 posts
Joined April 2009
Keksi

Orkel wrote:

Clearly a spin hack. Sent PM to peppy, although I feel he's ignoring them. I'll keep messaging him about hackers though because he should care about his own community, right?

Right?

Yes you're Right.
Lunah_old
Lunah_old

Wuiss wrote:

I think he has some reasons?
Dunno.. Peppy is a busy person, so i didn't asked him more.. btw i really hope that someone will care this topic
Orkel
osu! Alumni
450 posts
Joined September 2008
Orkel

Orkel wrote:

Spin hack?

http://osu.ppy.sh/b/19355

Kaxaru's replay on easy diff. Especially visible in the longer spinners. And every spinner is identically spinned at max speed.
More kaxaru:

http://osu.ppy.sh/b/21000 easy #1, hacking most visible at the biggest spinners

His spinning is perfectly stable and at maximum speed, and always at exactly the same size, basically his spins are 100% identical in every replay of his.

Go ban and reset the scores of this ass.


Lunah wrote:

I did too, he said me no
Something has to be done for more rapid hacker response. The current reporting system (this thread that nobody ever checks) is atrociously bad, slow and (often) completely useless.
Zetta
334 posts
Joined December 2009
Zetta
I think there should be a dedicated team looking for hackers and what not instead of forcing the regular mods and peppy to do it.


I know that technically any mod that happens to come across a hacker while playing should be all "instaban!" but I think that rarely happens because they're not actively looking out for them. However if a team of 3-5 people were actively looking for hackers then it would become much easier to ban them.
Orkel
osu! Alumni
450 posts
Joined September 2008
Orkel
Tororu:

http://osu.ppy.sh/b/78965

#1 on easy, spin hacking visible

He was reported in this thread a long time ago. Guess what? NOTHING WAS DONE. Good job, letting cheaters run rampant. I hate this system.
Glass
1,522 posts
Joined January 2010
Glass
http://osu.ppy.sh/b/52922&m=0

Check out the easy diff, it's like, you take all the top spinhackers in osu, put them in a sandbox, and voilà you have this map.

(Not saying everyone on the scoreboard are spin hackers, but look at some of the scores.)
Lunah_old
Lunah_old
Same cheater that i reported for Shounen A


http://osu.ppy.sh/b/1147 Marisa wa taihen #1


http://osu.ppy.sh/u/599071

27 plays - IOSYS - Marisa wa Taihen na Mono wo Nusunde Ikimashita [Hard]
Orkel
osu! Alumni
450 posts
Joined September 2008
Orkel

Lunah wrote:

Same cheater that i reported for Shounen A


http://osu.ppy.sh/b/1147 Marisa wa taihen #1


http://osu.ppy.sh/u/599071

27 plays - IOSYS - Marisa wa Taihen na Mono wo Nusunde Ikimashita [Hard]
He also hacked the scores for these in addition:

http://osu.ppy.sh/b/31334
http://osu.ppy.sh/b/61332
http://osu.ppy.sh/b/36161
mikhe
673 posts
Joined November 2008
mikhe

Lunah wrote:

Same cheater that i reported for Shounen A


http://osu.ppy.sh/b/1147 Marisa wa taihen #1


http://osu.ppy.sh/u/599071

27 plays - IOSYS - Marisa wa Taihen na Mono wo Nusunde Ikimashita [Hard]
Maybe he is a genius.. or not wait.. maybe a multi account.. but only Cookiezi has same skills and he is Korea, then not possible..
Uf.. hard to say.. (irony =.=)
Probably EX7 cheater
KRZY
Former osu! Champion: OWC#3
4,850 posts
Joined May 2009
KRZY

Lunah wrote:

Same cheater that i reported for Shounen A


http://osu.ppy.sh/b/1147 Marisa wa taihen #1


http://osu.ppy.sh/u/599071

27 plays - IOSYS - Marisa wa Taihen na Mono wo Nusunde Ikimashita [Hard]



lol this account is so obviously a multi-account that it need not even reporting XD

I wonder who though
SilentWings_old
111 posts
Joined June 2009
SilentWings_old
I asked xierbaliti to do a scan for me and it appears that EX7 have like 20 multi accounts. None of the names are well known.
However, if you watch the replay, it looks legit. Even if he did a hack that removed hidden + flashlight, it would be difficulty to fc marisa on hardrock. Only possible explanation is that he is a macro user.
Lunah_old
Lunah_old

SilentWings wrote:

I asked xierbaliti to do a scan for me and it appears that EX7 have like 20 multi accounts. None of the names are well known.
However, if you watch the replay, it looks legit. Even if he did a hack that removed hidden + flashlight, it would be difficulty to fc marisa on hardrock. Only possible explanation is that he is a macro user.
viewtopic.php?p=640075#p640075 , yeah


btw he cheats, no one can Shounen A or Marisa so easy
kaxaru
1,574 posts
Joined June 2010
kaxaru

Orkel wrote:

Tororu:

http://osu.ppy.sh/b/78965

#1 on easy, spin hacking visible

He was reported in this thread a long time ago. Guess what? NOTHING WAS DONE. Good job, letting cheaters run rampant. I hate this system.
We was reported in this thread a long time ago too,but nothing has changed.I can tell and show all spin hackers in this game,just will not change again.And even if you look at the first page in this thread, you will see the first spin hackers here and they not were banned.

Orkel wrote:

His spinning is perfectly stable and at maximum speed, and always at exactly the same size, basically his spins are 100% identical in every replay of his.
oh lol,maximum speed...o'rly?
http://osu.ppy.sh/b/60709&m=0
Mastodonio
1,118 posts
Joined October 2009
Mastodonio
Here must be a 'cheaters check team' :D Because nobody cares about this cheaters..this guy will be first on Marisa forever xD
I want to become a member of this team :D
KRZY
Former osu! Champion: OWC#3
4,850 posts
Joined May 2009
KRZY

Lunah wrote:

SilentWings wrote:

I asked xierbaliti to do a scan for me and it appears that EX7 have like 20 multi accounts. None of the names are well known.
However, if you watch the replay, it looks legit. Even if he did a hack that removed hidden + flashlight, it would be difficulty to fc marisa on hardrock. Only possible explanation is that he is a macro user.
viewtopic.php?p=640075#p640075 , yeah


btw he cheats, no one can Shounen A or Marisa so easy


Not if you've been practicing a long time.

How long do you give Cookiezi until he HD FLs Shounen A? Rucker? ReimuSS? XD

EX7 probably isn't a cheater, but a multi-account. Why a certain "pro user' would use a proxied multi-account to set records when he could have with his own account, I have no idea. Why his replays show a lot of 100s in normal notes but all 300s in streams, I also havce no idea (take a look at the Shounen A replay if you don't know what I mean.) But I do want him off the scoreboard.

But then of course, he could be using this super-human-resembling hack program to fool us all. Who knows :P
kaouji
92 posts
Joined February 2009
kaouji
http://osu.ppy.sh/u/ex380666
http://osu.ppy.sh/ss/44365

do you believe it?
Silver Flash
13 posts
Joined August 2010
Silver Flash

kaouji wrote:

http://osu.ppy.sh/u/ex380666
http://osu.ppy.sh/ss/44365

do you believe it?
He just opened a little joke,expect have never thought seriously.
Lunah_old
Lunah_old

KRZY wrote:

viewtopic.php?p=640075#p640075 , yeah


btw he cheats, no one can Shounen A or Marisa so easy



Not if you've been practicing a long time.

How long do you give Cookiezi until he HD FLs Shounen A? Rucker? ReimuSS? XD

EX7 probably isn't a cheater, but a multi-account. Why a certain "pro user' would use a proxied multi-account to set records when he could have with his own account, I have no idea. Why his replays show a lot of 100s in normal notes but all 300s in streams, I also havce no idea (take a look at the Shounen A replay if you don't know what I mean.) But I do want him off the scoreboard.

But then of course, he could be using this super-human-resembling hack program to fool us all. Who knows :P
he is still a multiaccount, for a reason or another he should be banned, btw he FC'ed Marisa HR+FL+HD, or he is cookiezi or he cheats. cookiezi has no multiaccounts and the guy is from china, so he is a cheater obv
KRZY
Former osu! Champion: OWC#3
4,850 posts
Joined May 2009
KRZY

Lunah wrote:

KRZY wrote:

viewtopic.php?p=640075#p640075 , yeah


btw he cheats, no one can Shounen A or Marisa so easy



Not if you've been practicing a long time.

How long do you give Cookiezi until he HD FLs Shounen A? Rucker? ReimuSS? XD

EX7 probably isn't a cheater, but a multi-account. Why a certain "pro user' would use a proxied multi-account to set records when he could have with his own account, I have no idea. Why his replays show a lot of 100s in normal notes but all 300s in streams, I also havce no idea (take a look at the Shounen A replay if you don't know what I mean.) But I do want him off the scoreboard.

But then of course, he could be using this super-human-resembling hack program to fool us all. Who knows :P
he is still a multiaccount, for a reason or another he should be banned, btw he FC'ed Marisa HR+FL+HD, or he is cookiezi or he cheats. cookiezi has no multiaccounts and the guy is from china, so he is a cheater obv


*cough*Rucker*cough*
Orkel
osu! Alumni
450 posts
Joined September 2008
Orkel

kaxaru wrote:

Orkel wrote:

His spinning is perfectly stable and at maximum speed, and always at exactly the same size, basically his spins are 100% identical in every replay of his.
oh lol,maximum speed...o'rly?
http://osu.ppy.sh/b/60709&m=0
http://osu.ppy.sh/b/19355&m=0

This replay proves it. But, as you said, spin hackers aren't banned, so why even bother reporting. Peppy clearly doesn't give a shit.

http://horobox.reager.org/u/Orkel_1293734092.rar

Replay in .rar just in case.
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Wishy
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Joined September 2010
Wishy
Thing is almost nobody give a shit about such an obvious hack since it's only REALLY useful on ranking easy/medium maps, you'll ban them now then tomorrow they'll get the same stupid record with another name, since most of those scores can be obtained on one try without even knowing the map if you are just a little good. It's sad but I think peppy can't be bothered with this kind of trivial stuff (with trivial stuff I mean people hacking on easy maps). I think it'll be a good idea to create some anti-hackers team that have access to ban people who obviously hacks (getting 9999 combo on a 100 combo map, square spins, etc).
Orkel
osu! Alumni
450 posts
Joined September 2008
Orkel
Oh also, "ravand" on the same map.

http://osu.ppy.sh/b/19355&m=0

#2 easy
Miu Matsuoka
662 posts
Joined May 2008
Miu Matsuoka
Let me talk a little bit about the 'Marisa incident', I can tell a bit about it :?

Involved people:
ex380666 (my real-life friend)
aaa123456 (my net friend)
i dun even know EX7

1. ex380666 stopped playing SOLO MODE and started playing CTB for about half a year
2. EX7 beat Cookiezi and achieved #1
3. aaa123456 asked ex380666 if he is EX7
4. ex380666 joked and said 'ex380666 = EX7'
5. aaa123456 captured the conversation and uploaded to a forum (http://tieba.baidu.com/f?kz=965589259)
6. kaouji reported

Important Fact:
EX7 IS a multi-account
SPOILER
ex380666 IS DEFINITELY NOT EX7
(Prove: ex380666 came from Hong Kong, EX7 came from Japan)

I suspect EX7 is a multi-account of SILVIA S15 (?)
LaCreme
54 posts
Joined August 2010
LaCreme

cheukhin1985 wrote:

I suspect EX7 is a multi-account of SILVIA S15 (?)
Highly doubt that
Miu Matsuoka
662 posts
Joined May 2008
Miu Matsuoka
this score doesn't look right

http://osu.ppy.sh/b/1147
#19 Souka
This is a multi-account, how the heck can he do that with 3 plays!?
Zetta
334 posts
Joined December 2009
Zetta
I've found what appears to be a multi http://osu.ppy.sh/u/361172

4 rank and just HAPPENEDS to get S's on their first try and only plays in segements of days. HURRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR.......
Zekira
9,233 posts
Joined September 2008
Zekira
All this talk about Marisa [Hard] made me realize that I've been pushed down to #7. The fuck.

...how do people HR this shit @_@

ME AND SHAGGON WILL STILL BE THE FIRST FLH'ers OF THAT MAP AND THAT WILL NEVER CHANGE.

Lol
Lunah_old
Lunah_old
He is a hacker, you can be good how many you want, but you can't FL HD Shounen A in 7 tried, even if you know the map on 100%
Gomo Psivarh
584 posts
Joined December 2009
Gomo Psivarh
I think EX7 used turbo keys on Marisa ,and he hacked FL too. >:(
KRZY
Former osu! Champion: OWC#3
4,850 posts
Joined May 2009
KRZY

Gomo Psivarh wrote:

I think

Unfortunately "thinking" does not qualify him as a cheater:<

Let's wait on the situation, I think enough has been said, it is almost 100% sure that EX7's account will get deleted, so no need to make more accusing posts
Zekira
9,233 posts
Joined September 2008
Zekira
I'm still posting my totally offtopic ranting here

Wheeeeee

(sorry, delete this if it's too much)
Gomo Psivarh
584 posts
Joined December 2009
Gomo Psivarh

KRZY wrote:

Gomo Psivarh wrote:

I think

Unfortunately "thinking" does not qualify him as a cheater:<

Let's wait on the situation, I think enough has been said, it is almost 100% sure that EX7's account will get deleted, so no need to make more accusing posts

If he is cheating,it's horrible. :(
I almost cannot find out anything strange in his replays.

He will get banned because he took the #1 from top players with a new account.
If he had cheated on low difficulty maps, will he get banned? Would he got suspected?
Lunah_old
Lunah_old

Gomo Psivarh wrote:

If he had cheated on low difficulty maps, will he get banned? Would he got suspected?
If someone will report him yes. btw we don't know if he cheats or no, but he must be banned for multiaccount or cheating, that doesn't matter. When peppy will back he will check .

Ok now we can stop to talk about him
Mastodonio
1,118 posts
Joined October 2009
Mastodonio

Wishy22 wrote:

I think it'll be a good idea to create some anti-hackers team that have access to ban people who obviously hacks (getting 9999 combo on a 100 combo map, square spins, etc).
Fully agree with you
TKiller
4,390 posts
Joined May 2009
TKiller

Zekira wrote:

All this talk about Marisa [Hard] made me realize that I've been pushed down to #7. The fuck.

...how do people HR this shit @_@

ME AND SHAGGON WILL STILL BE THE FIRST FLH'ers OF THAT MAP AND THAT WILL NEVER CHANGE.

Lol
oh come on, even I can hardrock it with >95% accuracy
Hakurei Reimu
43 posts
Joined January 2010
Hakurei Reimu
First.I'm really wants to laugh.."xxx is not cheating,but you are",but why he is also be report by you?loool
All your evidence is that i ever made is long time ago,it's doesn't have any effect now.do you remeber what ppy said?He won't deal the old record that too long time ago.
And..my spin speed now full power is 460-470.balance speed is 440-460,already prove by my friends.Do i needs record a video too?
If you want,I also can wash all those old records in a few day.
At last,why you don't say all my #1 and other record spin is in cheating?
Fabi
1,130 posts
Joined September 2009
Fabi
Guys, stop posting in this thread please. Its useless, just wait until the osu! team figure out how to deal with those people.
KRZY
Former osu! Champion: OWC#3
4,850 posts
Joined May 2009
KRZY

Ever17 wrote:

Guys, stop posting in this thread please. Its useless, just wait until the osu! team figure out how to deal with those people.

Your avatar says vivere but you're ever17, what
Fabi
1,130 posts
Joined September 2009
Fabi
http://osu.ppy.sh/u/vivere >_<
Salvage
590 posts
Joined January 2010
Salvage
*ninja appearence*


Hey KRZY i want an avatar like that one , where do i get one? =3.



edit : doh' .. the signature , sry >.<.
Miu Matsuoka
662 posts
Joined May 2008
Miu Matsuoka

Ever17 wrote:

http://osu.ppy.sh/u/vivere >_<
hahahahahahahaha i rofled
Lunah_old
Lunah_old
*CLOSED*

ROFL
KRZY
Former osu! Champion: OWC#3
4,850 posts
Joined May 2009
KRZY

Ever17 wrote:

http://osu.ppy.sh/u/vivere >_<

lol so cute
TKiller
4,390 posts
Joined May 2009
TKiller
happy new year, cheaters!

:D :D :D
kaxaru
1,574 posts
Joined June 2010
kaxaru

TKiller wrote:

happy new year, cheaters!

:D :D :D
thx :D

fl cheat http://osu.ppy.sh/u/382913

http://osu.ppy.sh/b/76577 6 days ago
http://osu.ppy.sh/b/46771 6 days ago
http://osu.ppy.sh/b/61125 6 days ago
....
Gomo Psivarh
584 posts
Joined December 2009
Gomo Psivarh

TKiller wrote:

happy new year, cheaters!

:D :D :D
TY :D
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