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juankristal

osu! Alumni

Joined August 2010

juankristal 2017-07-04T13:48:36+00:00

Tofu1222:

Even though I do agree with some of your points I feel it's important to mark something for you to know (as apparently you are a new mapper so I imagine new to the system as well). The qualified section is exactly here for this reason, to give exposure to your map so more people gets to give input and feedback to make it better. Otherwise the qualified section doesn't really make much sense. So people has to stop being too defensive while in this state because it's the exact main reason why it exists.

If not then maps would just got instant ranked instead!

So then, even though DDM might come up a bit ruder that what he could actually attempt to be he is just playing the role of the community and trying to fix what in his eyes is not suitable. The fact that 2 BNs approved this doesn't mean the map is perfect and it will likely never be (any map really not just this one). But it's about finding an agreement. Even myself as a BN ended up showing some input into this and Spy managed to answer to me.

So don't be discouraged to apply some stuff if you feel his reasons are valid, the map will likely get requalified immediately after the changes by FC and KK.

Edit: Tho remember that saying that something plays better because "X person says so" its not a good argument so always have reasons for every single note of your map and you will have no problems.

DDMythical

DDMythical 2017-07-04T15:24:50+00:00

Tofu1222 wrote:
DDMythical wrote:
00:54:363 (54363|3,54363|1) - Would mark these loud claps with hands. papapapapapapa

what? that isn't responding to my point atall.

You didn't respond to my point again. Please respond to the mod I put effort into.

Tofu1222 wrote:
Some suggestions for you: if you really wanna make our mapsets better sincerely, I am glad. However, your mods are indeed subjective. I understand these points are often worth noted by BNs (anchor, trills and so on), but they have to be dealt with in particular sections in particular mapsets. It is important for you to estimate the suitability of the patterns in some maps. In this map, because of mostly 1/4 spacing, it is no need to worry about patterns that largely influenced people's playing experience. I have tested and asked for testplays many times before, and I also prevented those patterns that will be too annoying. Also one thing to note, for this song, the snares and kicks are heavy, so for somewhat reason placing a few of them in the same pattern will really make players feel much more fun. Imo, as long as the patterns of some place is not too controversial, like you know minitrills in 250+bpm lol, they will be acceptable. Pattern consistency is not the most important thing to pay attention to, but the players' experience stresses the most.

I completely agree with this. Fun is -- however -- subjective.

Tofu1222 wrote:
Oh for another reason why your mods deem not welcoming among some of us is that, you seem to kind of forcing us to remap most of our maps, which is not a good idea. I hope after this series of events you can at least grasp something valuable for your future modding life. KK and Spy are nice guys. I am a new mapper but if you ask for help I will be willing to do so as well.

KK is completely chill but spy isn't really listening to my mod atall. He seems to think I am targetting him even though I am explicitly stating points against the map and not him.

Tofu1222 wrote:
Seeing that you comment on the mapset page for some kind of biased opinions, I am quite sure that you, at least, have incorporated some of your personal emotions into this mod.

Being completely unbiased is impossible.

Tofu1222 wrote:
and this map has been certified by two another BNs.

Doesn't make it free of problems. The point of qualified is for users to check through the map for problems so that it is in a near-perfect state quality wise before ranked.

[quote="Tofu1222"but not this kind of sudden mods that go after qualification process.

[/quote]

Once again, That is the point of qualified. BNs will re-qualify this after some slight snapping error fixes (which are objective, some notes are not snapped to the beat and spy has admitted that) You can't just ignore them and throw it into ranked because that goes against exactly what qualified is for. I'm not deleting your map out of existance or something so i have no idea why everyone is so reluctant to refine their maps (objectively, ignoring my pattern choices)

Otosaka-Yu

1,117 posts

Joined August 2013

Otosaka-Yu 2017-07-04T16:15:21+00:00

DDMythical:
You will say that fun is subjective, but I have just said, most of the situation is objective, because you have a personal idea to make the whole map back, you have not thought about why this map will be Ranked If this map is really as bad as you said, why it will be recognized by the two BNs? I think you are such a performance that does not have any use. Most of this arrangement is the same as the other place map, and Spy is exactly what he thinks, and I think that Spy has been seriously considered before you point out some minor mistakes. Some of the ideas you think is close to the perfect does not exist, not a map is perfect, according to your reform in the end can change to what time to be close to the perfect? There is no need to continue to struggle.

DDMythical

DDMythical 2017-07-04T17:01:22+00:00

Suzuki_1112 wrote:
DDMythical:
You will say that fun is subjective, but I have just said, most of the situation is objective, because you have a personal idea to make the whole map back, you have not thought about why this map will be Ranked If this map is really as bad as you said, why it will be recognized by the two BNs? I think you are such a performance that does not have any use. Most of this arrangement is the same as the other place map, and Spy is exactly what he thinks, and I think that Spy has been seriously considered before you point out some minor mistakes. Some of the ideas you think is close to the perfect does not exist, not a map is perfect, according to your reform in the end can change to what time to be close to the perfect? There is no need to continue to struggle.

Did you know that BNs can make mistakes sometimes? the point of qualified is to point out potential issues in the map before it is ranked. Shouting at me and calling me useless is just irritating and you're targetting me instead of my mod which is just being a dick.

Spy

2,538 posts

Joined November 2011

Topic Starter

Spy 2017-07-04T17:34:41+00:00

I don't want to see any argument here.
Please out, and stop using rude words.

DDMythical

DDMythical 2017-07-04T19:21:40+00:00

Spy wrote:
.
Please out, and stop using rude words.

you called me a nazi

Murasame

181 posts

Joined May 2015

Murasame 2017-07-05T01:15:58+00:00

DDMythical wrote:
Spy wrote:
.
Please out, and stop using rude words.
you called me a nazi

He called that on your mod not you, besides nobody even care about what you are being called and all you have to do is talk politely
Also let me remind you that mappers have the right to reject any mods that they want to and forcing other people to apply your mods isn't how it works in OSU

Raveille

787 posts

Joined February 2012

Raveille 2017-07-05T03:10:00+00:00

Goddamnit everyone calm down. I don't think throwing offensive words at each other is creating any sort of progress.

If this escalates things are going to be nastier so let's cool this off.

Akasha-

Nomination Assessment Team

4,418 posts

Joined April 2013

Akasha- 2017-07-05T05:15:46+00:00

I'm calling all of you just chill out and stop posting arguement discussion where it should be in PM
I don't have time to look all of the posts but here is the thing:

@DDM: Sometimes, it's not the best to just post and forces the mapper to change to what is in your thought, what we called that's suggestion, not unrankable issues, where you find it's uncomfortable to you, but not to other, but if it was, it's another different story. But it doesn't and prove that someone can SS the map easily without any hard time.
And with that, suggestion is just suggestion, in your opinion, it's good to you, and you think it may help the mapper to make it better, but to the mapper, is it helpful to him? What I want to say is, everyone got their own opinions and independence mind, you can't just forces them to have the same opinion with you, it may bad as you look but it may good to other.

If Spy already replied and spoke out the reason why and should why, and shouldn't why to change/not change this part, it's his will to keep, he has reason to keep it as long as the map is valid and follow the RC completely. This is where to understand each other.
And don't say offended words when you want to help the mapper, it just make the situation worse. Simple as it's, people will treat each other better if you don't start an arguement with offended words.

So, I don't want another discussion where you guys host up a drama right here, please, this game don't have enough drama for you? Thank you.

Feerum

osu! Alumni

2,042 posts

Joined August 2014

Feerum 2017-07-07T07:14:00+00:00

Hello everyone.

This Map got reported for a Disqualify. After looking into the beatmap i must agree with some mentioned points.
Let's get right into it!

[General]
The biggest issue is. The offset is indeed wrong. Me and Blocko did both looked at it closely and we came to the conclusion that 1328 would be the best offset for this beatmap.
It's not so good audible with the custom hitsound used in the Map, but when i changed it to normal-hitnormal default i can hear it very clear that the notes come a bit too early.
Note: I modded the beatmap with the new offset. So please change the offset before you start looking into my mod to have the timestamps correct!

As next. The difficulty names can not stay like this. Custom diff names are allowed but only if the full set uses custom diff names. Here only the Hyper and Another have a custom diff name.
While i can understand that Kuo's difficult name is related to games overall, Tofu's isn't.

I see here two ways: Either you use simple difficult naming like "Normal, Hyper, Another, Leggendaria"
Or you make the complete difficult naming into custom. Keep in mind that the represented difficulty must still be recognizable.

[Leggendaria]
Okay let's talk about pattern.
While i'm overall fine with the pattern, i think you could definitely improve them with some of the suggestion either from DD or juan.

My issues are that some notes are no sound or are wrongly snapped.

My first suggestion is that you should add a note here 00:05:748 - . While the drum is a bit hard to recognize, it does exist when you listen really closely. Therefore this is just a random break in stream pattern. 00:06:038 - This one is okay. Here are definitely no drum sound.

00:07:777 - and 00:08:067 - are once again pretty random breaks.

00:21:183 (21183|1,21472|2) - Here i would suggest you to jack these pattern with the previous hand pattern. Means 00:21:038 - and 00:21:327 - . To keep the style you followed in this part. Could look like this:

Screen

00:23:212 (23212|1) - Same goes for this one. The best solution i see here is to move 00:23:212 (23212|1,23356|2) - both one column to the right and then you can CTRL+H these here 00:23:501 (23501|2,23646|1) -

00:24:154 (24154|2,24299|2,24443|1) - These 3 notes are Ghost Notes. They doesn't follow any sound. The 1/4 sound begins later.
Please delete 00:24:299 (24299|2,24443|1) - . Then you can move 00:24:154 (24154|2) - down to 00:24:009 - because here is a 1/4 sound. The vocal.

00:30:458 (30458|1) - According to how you mapped here this one should be jack with the previous jump. But that's rather optional.
00:33:646 (33646|1,33791|2) - Here i suggest you to move both one column to the right to keep up with the jack pattern.

Well, i won't mention all now but as you see there is some improvement possible!

00:46:642 (46642|1,47221|3) - These two notes are 100% Ghost Notes. I asked Blocko if he can hear something because sometimes i tend to overhear it but he also could confirm me that there is no sound. So please delete these.

00:49:226 (49226|2) - Would suggest to delete this one. There is a "s" vocal to hear, but it's so hard to recognize because it seems that you followed here the snare pattern.

00:50:168 - Did you forgot a Note here or is this 00:49:878 (49878|0,49878|1) - chord here random?

//00:53:719 - Too bad you didn't use SV's here. Would be soooo great. But everyone how he likes. It's your map

02:06:690 (126690|2,126907|0,126980|3) - These 3 Notes are wrongly snapped. It's pretty clear that you want to catch vocal. What else? Nothing to hear. To have the most accurate snap for these notes. Please move 02:06:690 (126690|2) - 1/8 line up to 02:06:726 - .
02:06:907 (126907|0,126980|3) - And these two please move 1/12 line down, to 02:06:883 - and 02:06:956 - .

That's all for this diff. As you see some things need to get fixed here.

[KK(NOOB)'s AnotherGamer]

00:28:356 (28356|1,28646|2) - Please remove these notes. There is no 1/4 sound. Like in Leggendaria diff.
00:28:936 (28936|0) - This one is a Ghost Note. No 1/4.
00:45:313 (45313|1) - Another Ghost Note The 1/4 vocals begin from here 00:45:530 - . Not earlier.

01:10:168 - You could add here a 1/2 LN. The sound you follow with your LNs is also here to hear. Not very audible but it exist that's why i leave the decision to you.

01:47:197 (107197|3,107487|2,107922|2) - And these notes are once again Ghost Notes. No 1/4 sound here.
01:48:501 (108501|0,108791|2) - Same goes for these here

Nothing more to say here. Just several Ghost notes.

[Tofu(Love Dubstep)'s Hyper]
Really nice diff. The only problem i have are 02:06:690 (126690|2,126907|1,126980|3) - . Like in leggendaria. If you follow the vocal these are wrong snapped.
Move 02:06:690 (126690|2) - 1/8 up and 02:06:907 (126907|1,126980|3) - 1/12 down.

[ExNeko's Normal]
Nothing to say! I am not a fan of 1/4 pattern in the lowest difficulty but since this is a Normal and not an Easy i am fine with them. Nothing to say.
Good job!

--

So. As you can see there is stuff that needs to get fixed in several diffs. Also the difficult naming and offset. Maybe take another look in the mods of juan and DD. DD came indeed with a bit harsh wording but some suggestion could be helpful to improve this map.

With this being said. I disqualify this beatmap for now.

DoNotMess

485 posts

Joined May 2012

DoNotMess 2017-07-07T07:35:26+00:00

ok im trying to make this map better (honestly speaking, it could be a lil more better and fun "in my opinion" but i will just point out only 1 more thing that bugged me after trying 1 more time)
leggendaria
01:11:175 (71175|1,71319|2,71464|0,71464|3,71609|1,71754|3) - why no ln for the dubstep like in 00:47:986 - and 01:06:247 - and so on, u get my point..

Last edited by DoNotMess 2017-07-07T07:43:07+00:00, edited 1 time in total.

Akasha-

Nomination Assessment Team

4,418 posts

Joined April 2013

Akasha- 2017-07-07T07:39:35+00:00

Fixed, thank you for modding
Better I recheck hitsound later
+8 is too much

fix

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Spy

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Spy 2017-07-07T08:38:36+00:00

Feerum wrote:
Hello everyone.

This Map got reported for a Disqualify. After looking into the beatmap i must agree with some mentioned points.
Let's get right into it!

[General]
The biggest issue is. The offset is indeed wrong. Me and Blocko did both looked at it closely and we came to the conclusion that 1328 would be the best offset for this beatmap.
It's not so good audible with the custom hitsound used in the Map, but when i changed it to normal-hitnormal default i can hear it very clear that the notes come a bit too early.
Note: I modded the beatmap with the new offset. So please change the offset before you start looking into my mod to have the timestamps correct!

As next. The difficulty names can not stay like this. Custom diff names are allowed but only if the full set uses custom diff names. Here only the Hyper and Another have a custom diff name.
While i can understand that Kuo's difficult name is related to games overall, Tofu's isn't.

I see here two ways: Either you use simple difficult naming like "Normal, Hyper, Another, Leggendaria"
Or you make the complete difficult naming into custom. Keep in mind that the represented difficulty must still be recognizable.

[Leggendaria]
Okay let's talk about pattern.
While i'm overall fine with the pattern, i think you could definitely improve them with some of the suggestion either from DD or juan.

My issues are that some notes are no sound or are wrongly snapped.

My first suggestion is that you should add a note here 00:05:748 - . While the drum is a bit hard to recognize, it does exist when you listen really closely. Therefore this is just a random break in stream pattern. 00:06:038 - This one is okay. Here are definitely no drum sound.

00:07:777 - and 00:08:067 - are once again pretty random breaks.

00:21:183 (21183|1,21472|2) - Here i would suggest you to jack these pattern with the previous hand pattern. Means 00:21:038 - and 00:21:327 - . To keep the style you followed in this part. Could look like this:
Screen

00:23:212 (23212|1) - Same goes for this one. The best solution i see here is to move 00:23:212 (23212|1,23356|2) - both one column to the right and then you can CTRL+H these here 00:23:501 (23501|2,23646|1) -

00:24:154 (24154|2,24299|2,24443|1) - These 3 notes are Ghost Notes. They doesn't follow any sound. The 1/4 sound begins later.
Please delete 00:24:299 (24299|2,24443|1) - . Then you can move 00:24:154 (24154|2) - down to 00:24:009 - because here is a 1/4 sound. The vocal.

00:30:458 (30458|1) - According to how you mapped here this one should be jack with the previous jump. But that's rather optional. I think it is fine, keep.
00:33:646 (33646|1,33791|2) - Here i suggest you to move both one column to the right to keep up with the jack pattern.

Well, i won't mention all now but as you see there is some improvement possible!

00:46:642 (46642|1,47221|3) - These two notes are 100% Ghost Notes. I asked Blocko if he can hear something because sometimes i tend to overhear it but he also could confirm me that there is no sound. So please delete these.

00:49:226 (49226|2) - Would suggest to delete this one. There is a "s" vocal to hear, but it's so hard to recognize because it seems that you followed here the snare pattern.

00:50:168 - Did you forgot a Note here or is this 00:49:878 (49878|0,49878|1) - chord here random?

//00:53:719 - Too bad you didn't use SV's here. Would be soooo great. But everyone how he likes. It's your map I don't really think it needs.

02:06:690 (126690|2,126907|0,126980|3) - These 3 Notes are wrongly snapped. It's pretty clear that you want to catch vocal. What else? Nothing to hear. To have the most accurate snap for these notes. Please move 02:06:690 (126690|2) - 1/8 line up to 02:06:726 - .
02:06:907 (126907|0,126980|3) - And these two please move 1/12 line down, to 02:06:883 - and 02:06:956 - .

That's all for this diff. As you see some things need to get fixed here.

[Tofu(Love Dubstep)'s Hyper]
Really nice diff. The only problem i have are 02:06:690 (126690|2,126907|1,126980|3) - . Like in leggendaria. If you follow the vocal these are wrong snapped.
Move 02:06:690 (126690|2) - 1/8 up and 02:06:907 (126907|1,126980|3) - 1/12 down.

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So. As you can see there is stuff that needs to get fixed in several diffs. Also the difficult naming and offset. Maybe take another look in the mods of juan and DD. DD came indeed with a bit harsh wording but some suggestion could be helpful to improve this map.

With this being said. I disqualify this beatmap for now.

All fixed as wish. Thanks.

DoNotMess wrote:
ok im trying to make this map better (honestly speaking, it could be a lil more better and fun "in my opinion" but i will just point out only 1 more thing that bugged me after trying 1 more time)
leggendaria
01:11:175 (71175|1,71319|2,71464|0,71464|3,71609|1,71754|3) - why no ln for the dubstep like in 00:47:986 - and 01:06:247 - and so on, u get my point..

Yea, I did it, thanks.
Also, that is wobble bass, not something calls dubstep.

Critical_Star

Beatmap Nominator

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Critical_Star 2017-07-07T11:33:08+00:00

Snap issue fixed and it is good to go again

Verniy_Chan

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Verniy_Chan 2017-07-07T12:06:42+00:00

maybe.. set preview time on red line 01:29:299 - ?
so i can cleary hear vocal of "headshoot...
>w<

DoNotMess

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DoNotMess 2017-07-07T12:57:30+00:00

i just hear "i like dubstep" and assume it is dubstep lul

Akasha-

Nomination Assessment Team

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Akasha- 2017-07-07T13:35:33+00:00

DoNotMess wrote:
i just hear "i like dubstep" and assume it is dubstep lul

dubstep is a genre, not an actual sound sample

Spy

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Topic Starter

Spy 2017-07-07T13:53:46+00:00

Verniy_Chan wrote:
maybe.. set preview time on red line 01:29:299 - ?
so i can cleary hear vocal of "headshoot...
>w<

I will check it later and set it if it is good enough

Thanks.

AncuL

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AncuL 2017-07-07T13:55:40+00:00

In Leggendaria, i don't understand why both of the notes at 01:08:212 (68212|1,68936|1) - are here. Vocal? I do think the synths are more powerful than it. Also, there's only "tch" audible on 01:08:936 - while the vowel is audible on 01:09:009 - (tchonight? probably). If it isn't vocal, probably also rearrange the whole section on 01:07:704 - to match with the PR of the synth rather than the PR of the vocal.

In a side note, i feel like 01:39:081 (99081|2) - is 1/6 on 01:39:105 - , 01:57:559 (117559|3) - is 1/16 on 01:57:541 - , and 01:57:704 (117704|0) - is 1/12 on 01:57:680 - . I don't know about the other diffs but probably this also applies to them.

Spy

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Topic Starter

Spy 2017-07-07T15:15:55+00:00

AncuL wrote:
In Leggendaria, i don't understand why both of the notes at 01:08:212 (68212|1,68936|1) - are here. Vocal? I do think the synths are more powerful than it. Also, there's only "tch" audible on 01:08:936 - while the vowel is audible on 01:09:009 - (tchonight? probably). If it isn't vocal, probably also rearrange the whole section on 01:07:704 - to match with the PR of the synth rather than the PR of the vocal.

In a side note, i feel like 01:39:081 (99081|2) - is 1/6 on 01:39:105 - , 01:57:559 (117559|3) - is 1/16 on 01:57:541 - , and 01:57:704 (117704|0) - is 1/12 on 01:57:680 - . I don't know about the other diffs but probably this also applies to them.

At the first, I think vocal is one of feature in this part. It is the main reason I did those notes there. I admit it may be a bit messy for following synth and vocal both, however I would keep it for sure since I prefer vocal than synth here.
About those snaps, I believe it definitely not correct. Those timings you posted for correct snaps are obviously later than music.
Thanks.

DoNotMess wrote:
i just hear "i like dubstep" and assume it is dubstep lul

The song is based on Frenchcore, so it still count to be Frenchcore, not dubstep.

Spy

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Topic Starter

Spy 2017-07-08T12:02:47+00:00

I have no idea for this preview point even if I changed. It still the same, maybe delayed, or maybe web issues. Anyway I've changed the preview point.

Aruel

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Aruel 2017-07-08T12:05:05+00:00

You guys should go play MapleStory

_Zenith

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_Zenith 2017-07-08T12:16:03+00:00