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So basically, you have pointed issues, which I have already adressed. But you're not checking the reply because in the end you just don't agree with the map. So basically this is a veto? If so, let me know because if that's the case I'll probably have to look for other BNs. Otherwise I'm confused if this is just a bubble pop that the original BN can check the replies and bubble again.Doormat wrote:
sorry, but i genuinely don't think this map is ready for rank yet; i have too many issues with the mapping concepts you used.
Applied timing fix to 6/4 , the timing point at 00:47:212 - to fix nightcore mod I'll wait for further information if it's really necessary, thx a lot ^^pimpG wrote:
i was asked to check the timing so...
the guitar is not the most accurate instrument to determine the metronome.
we all agree about the timeline with 6/4 being moved to 19.755 and the guitar didn't changed since the beginning of the song so it's safe to assume that the metronome is 6/4 in the beginning too.
also for nightcore difficulty multiplier fix (making the cymbal sounds be on the correct spots), an uninherited timeline should be added at 47.212. we don't even have an specific rule in the ranking criteria about that but this should not be ignored imo.
Thanks modKisses wrote:
Given that the normal is the easiest diff in the set I think a number of changes could be made to make it easier and more beginner friendly
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For the intro I think a rhythm such as this would be more appropriate https://i.imgur.com/AVA0fpF.png The rhythm is less dense and would portray the contrast between the calm intro and the heavy,intense part after. Te reduced density makes it easier to ease into and to be quite honest I didn't think your current rhythm matched the song at all.There's a constrast already between 00:00:688 - ~ 00:06:789 - compared to 00:06:789 - ~ 00:18:993 - both in rhythm density and visual slider design.
00:18:993 (1,1) & 00:31:196 (1,2) & 00:56:365 (1,2) - I would try to avoid any use of stacks at all in the lowest difficulty as it can prove fairly difficult for beginners to read as it obscures their view of the approach circle. Stack circle+slider 00:18:993 (1,1) - 3/1; slider+circle 00:56:365 (1,2) - 4/1 gap. Both of them are really okay in terms of reading because of the lengh in gap and playability is easy too, it just requires the player attention about the approach circle, which is pretty important if he want to go to the next difficulties. The 1/1 stack 00:31:196 (1,2) - I fixed
00:19:755 (1,2) - For slider pairs such as these I would recommend restructuring in a way similar to this https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/9237651 . Patterns are easiest to read when the slidertail to sliderhead isn't obstructed so they can see all of the arrows and having a better view at where the object will be on the timeline because of time distanceI'm not sure if you saw it, but your suggestion the slider is offscreen o.O, as far as I can tell the slider shapes are pretty simple and straightfoward, nothing complex and even if I wanted to make them more ugly like in higher diffs I could, but i choose to make them simplified so it should be good to go.
00:22:806 (1,2,3) - This isn't 100% necessary but I thought a 3/1 reverse slider would have fit your current rhythm choice better3 vocal lines, two similar 00:22:806 (1,2) - and one distinct 00:24:332 (3) - all of them with same rhythm length. Probably both ways work, but considering the visual patterning I like my way more, specially because I can make symmetry here 00:22:806 (1,2) - to contrast with 00:24:332 (3) -
00:34:501 (4) - I thought it was a bit weird that you mapped this as a 1/1 slider instead of a circle despite there being no vocal sound on the tail; but you have 00:37:552 (4) as a circle when if you mapped it as a slider there would be a vocal on the tail. tl;dr turn 00:34:501 (4) into a circle and 00:37:551 (4) - into a slider. It would also make your rhythm more harmonious as it would make each combo 00:31:959 (1,1) consistent with themselvesI used to have only circles, but modders didn't approve of it, changing AGAIN to circles for the sake of simplification...
00:41:238 (1,1) - I personally would deem this unrankable as I don't believe there is enough recovery time after the spinner for the lowest difficulty. The approach rate 00:43:653 (1) - starts well before the spinner finishes and doesnt give players enough reaction time4/1 gap is the guideline for easy diffs and I'm applying it in a normal diff, so I think 1 second is a pretty nice range for a normal diff.
00:46:450 (2) - suggestion, a circle would suit here better imho. Since the music pauses here I think it'd be more fitting if the objects stopped here too. It would create more of a contrast between when the instruments stop and start playing.Sure, why not
01:21:534 (8,9) - suggest to delete 9 and turn 8 into a circle for similar reasons aboveSure
01:22:297 (1,2,3) - since the sounds on 1 are very similar to 2 and 3 I would personally just map it as 2 reverse sliders.This is just personal preference, there's a lot of possibilities for this ending pattern
01:10:857 (4) - to 01:23:568 (3) - I get that this is the climax of the song but all objects have a 1/1 gap within each other. Consider adding some breaks here and thereThere are sliders with bigger length in which the main idea was that the clickable objects are not as dense, such as this 01:16:195 (4) -
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Yeah... I suppose that's what the ranking process is all about... So... what's your point here? o.oAeril wrote:
just saying, u ask for another bns opinion, he gave it dd
Thanks~Doormat wrote:
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- 00:03:738 (1,2,3,4,5,1,2,3,1,2,3,4,1,2,3) - this rhythm doesn't even match what the guitars are doing. a rhythm sense like what you did with 00:00:688 (1,2,3,4,5) - would make much more sense I actually find the rhythm for the first few notes to be less fitting, the only reason I simplified it is to get some build-up in intensity since the song gets much more intense at 00:03:738 (1) - . 00:00:688 (1,2,3,4,5,1,2,3,4,5) - has some rather important sounds in sliderrepeats/ends but that's necessary to keep a somewhat regular rhythm. (The sliderstart of 00:01:069 (2) - for example is less intense than both ticks after (though the note on the red tick starts really early which is partially why I went with this rhythm over adding another repeat to 00:00:688 (1) - , since I found it more fitting and less confusing overall)). 00:01:450 (3) - also has a less important sound on the start than the end. After 00:03:078 this no longer occurs, all the important sounds are clickable.
- 00:07:552 (3,4,5) - 00:09:077 (3,4,5) - 00:10:603 (3,4,5) - honestly i feel these should be more consistent. they're the same sounds, so having the middle pattern be represented with small spacing but the other two with high spacing feels really off. especially when later on at 00:13:654 (3,4,5) - 00:15:179 (3,4,5) - 00:16:704 (3,4,5) - these are all consistent It's intentional since the middle pattern sounds different, a bit muffled to me which is why I went with lower spacing for it. Regarding it being consistent later it's because the rhythm I mapped switched to the background (guitar?) which becomes much more notable at 00:12:891 (1) - .
- 00:36:281 (6,1) - this is really awkward movement that doesn't really play that well. the pattern you made is moving in a clockwise direction, and then (6,1) is the only movement here that's counter-clockwise I don't think it's that awkward and I already tried to make it flow a bit more smoothly by making the slider not as curved, now rotated it a bit so that the transition should be completely painless.
- 00:44:035 (4,5) - why is this stacked? it breaks the momentum you have going here really suddenly when your patterning suggests that momentum is going to be kept It was supposed to emphasize the different sound on 00:44:162 (5) - but I suppose it does go against the previous use of stacks (for unimportant sounds), changed it to be the same spacing but angled a bit which should fix it.
- 00:49:501 (4,5,6) - 00:52:552 (4,5,6) - this rhythm sense is terrible. what are you following here? it sure as hell isn't the instrumentals, vocals or drums. too much blending like this makes your rhythm sense sound incoherent It's the vocals while filling with drums to avoid breaks and super long sliders. I originally had a circle with following 1/1 gap for 00:49:881 (5) - and the other drum sliders, but it was deemed to confusing with the spacing I used, which I didn't want to majorly change for reasons of emphasis.
- 00:55:603 (4,5,6) - ^read the above, although here it's not as bad since it sort of follows vocals more smoothly same thing minus the slider part
- 00:57:636 (6) - a 1/4 repeat honestly doesn't fit here; there's no sound on the blue tick There most certainly is, I find it audible at full speed but it gets really obvious if you listen to it at 25%.
- 01:05:518 (3) - forgot NC by chance? oops
- 01:23:569 (8) - repeat slider doesn't really fit here either; there's no sound on the red tick At the very least the guitar pitch changes which is why I want to keep it as it is regardless, but I think there's also a faint distinct sound on the red tick itself (not really audible at full speed though). Out of a 1/1 slider and a 1/2 repeat slider, I find the 1/2 repeat slider more fitting since it reflects the pitch change in some way.
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sorry for the late reply, but yes, this is a veto. there are too many things with the mapset in its current state that i take issue with before pushing this for rank:Net0 wrote:
So basically, you have pointed issues, which I have already adressed. But you're not checking the reply because in the end you just don't agree with the map. So basically this is a veto? If so, let me know because if that's the case I'll probably have to look for other BNs. Otherwise I'm confused if this is just a bubble pop that the original BN can check the replies and bubble again.
and these are only some of the issues that i have with the mapset, without going into more subjective territory like aesthetics or movement patterns/flow.Net0 wrote:
[Collab Light Insane]
- 00:56:365 (1,2,3,4,5,6) - this looks really cluttered, i can't really recommend placing them all so close like that. i get that the slider ends are all stacked with each other, but this pattern looks so out of place with the rest of the mapThis is the key point of the song in this kiai, the place where it should stand out the most, and if you see Kegare diff you will that this is my interpretation of this part in the song as the most emphatic one, that's the pattern here is so special, personally it might clusttered to you, but as you said, "honestly i think this comes down to visual preference more than anything. i don't see anything wrong with the current design." i'd really appreciate it if you didn't twist my words out of context. the context for that was that it was still visually cohesive with the rest of the map so it didn't really matter if i changed the visuals or not, whereas this isn't visually cohesive. it looks really out of place due to how contrasting it is with the rest of the section here.
- 00:58:018 (2,3,4) - too many filler notes here, doesn't really feel all that good to playFeels amazing to me playing this stack, so again you're at a personal taste preference here. i understand that it's a personal preference thing, but you need to give a better reason other than "it feels great for me". that answer is so dismissive it feels like you didn't even bother to come up with a reason as to why it feels great.
- 00:59:416 (1,2,3,4,5) - 01:10:857 (3,4,5,6,1) - i actually don't mind reading gimmicks like this, but seeing it only done at the beginning and end of this section makes it lose its effect and feel inconsistent with the rest of this section of the mapSO I suppose that if I make them here too 01:05:391 (5) - it's consistent and FIXED right?
- 01:03:611 (4) - 01:09:713 (4) - don't feel the repeat slider is the best choice; music is placing emphasis on the white tick and here you've gone and ended up placing no emphasis on it due to the repeatFIXED by changing it to a circle in the red tick and slider on the white to add the emphasis you want.
- 01:03:992 (1,2,3,4) - why is the rhythm here so radically different from the rest of the section?Collab, we have different rhythm approach to the song,
Kal is more focused on instrumentals when he maps, I'm more focused on vocals. this doesn't even represent the instrumentals all that well. it feels like a really dumbed down drum section, and this feels out of place with the same section right before it, which wasn't this dumbed down. i don't mind different rhythm approaches between collabers, but i do think that rhythm switches need to make sense. you're switching in the middle of the phrase here, and it throws off the overall impact of what you sounds you want to emphasize here with the mapping.
[Kegare]
- 00:22:806 (1,1,1) - 00:28:908 (1,1,1) - kind of curious why you chose to make these ones the vocal sliders instead of sticking to the drumsBecause vocals are the THEME of the map? Like, in case you didn't play the map or paid attention to the hitsounding, it's a map focused on vocals... this was just me being genuinely curious, i didn't mean it in a bad way. it just struck me as odd bwecause you alternated between drum emphasis and vocal emphasis for this section, which i thought was weird cause it seemed like you really wanted to emphasize vocals
- 00:31:959 (1,3) - 00:33:484 (1,3) - 00:40:348 (4,6) - these are really dangerous reading hazards because you can't make out half of the slider's path due to the high AR and bpm.
You do realize that the map is readable otherwise it wouldn't get a bubble or modders wouldn't have accepted the replies and the final results. This overlaps are REALLY simple compared to other stuff presented in ranked section in the past few years. Another good thing worth metioning is that you're poiting out a perfect two sliders overlap rule to talk about distinct sliders that overlaps partially each other, each means you didn't quite understand that rule on the RC, since this is the case that the RC is talking about; http://puu.sh/xPaIV.jpg not the same case in my map okay that RC rule was worded badly so i misinterpreted it, but that still doesn't mean that i don't take issue with this reading pattern here. you can't make out half of the longer slider's pathway due to the first slider obstructing it; this is still a very valid complaint. just because some people deem it okay does't mean that others will have the same opinion.Ranking Criteria wrote:
Every slider must have a clear and visible path to follow from start to end. Sliders which overlap themselves in a way that makes any section unreadable or ambiguous cannot be used, such as burai sliders and hold sliders without straightforward slider borders. When perfectly overlapping two slider bodies, the first slider must be fully faded out before the second slider is fully faded in.- 00:41:492 (3,5,7,9) - 00:43:018 (3,5,7) - i honestly don't mind filler rhythm, but i think this is overdoing it. i don't think your current pattern/rhythm setup represents the song that well hereit does, you just need to stop thinking of 1/2 circle only section related to jumps and you can understand why it's linear stream motion in 1/2 to represent alternating guitar pitch continuous sound my issue here is that there's too much blending between the different sounds that it sounds really unclear what you want to emphasize in the music here. personally i also think that a stream doesn't properly emphasize the guitars anyways; guitars place an emphasis on every white tick, but by making it a stream you're putting equal emphasis on the white ticks and red ticks, which end up de-emphasizing the guitars. i honestly don't think this pattern doesn't work, and a remap of this part is necessary. btw, i never once stated that this section needed to be jumps or that 1/2 circle spam sections need to be jumps, so that's a very dangerous assumption you're making.
- 00:47:213 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - what the hell are the whistles following here? it's so incoherent compared to 00:50:264 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7) - It's following vocals, and the vocals in this part are incoherent in each phrase, you need to stop thinking every song follows clear patterns and phrases and listen to the song here if you really want to understand it. if you were following vocals, it's pretty clear that each vocal is on the white tick, but you put the whistle on the slider end here 00:47:975 (5) - which falls on a red tick. everything else was okay, so i should've clarified what i meant by this, that's my bad
Kisses wrote:
@LwL 00:28:908 (1,2) - judging by the rest of the patterns this 1/4 gap seems like a mistake. You haven't used a 1/4 gap in this rhythm in similar patterns nor have you used spacing this high for 1/4 gaps
There's a quite a few other things I noticed too but I'll wait to see the update before saying anything more
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sorry for the late reply, but yes, this is a veto. there are too many things with the mapset in its current state that i take issue with before pushing this for rank:Doormat wrote:
So basically, you have pointed issues, which I have already adressed. But you're not checking the reply because in the end you just don't agree with the map. So basically this is a veto? If so, let me know because if that's the case I'll probably have to look for other BNs. Otherwise I'm confused if this is just a bubble pop that the original BN can check the replies and bubble again.
You do realize that the map is readable otherwise it wouldn't get a bubble or modders wouldn't have accepted the replies and the final results. This overlaps are REALLY simple compared to other stuff presented in ranked section in the past few years. Another good thing worth metioning is that you're poiting out a perfect two sliders overlap rule to talk about distinct sliders that overlaps partially each other, each means you didn't quite understand that rule on the RC, since this is the case that the RC is talking about; http://puu.sh/xPaIV.jpg not the same case in my map okay that RC rule was worded badly so i misinterpreted it, but that still doesn't mean that i don't take issue with this reading pattern here. you can't make out half of the longer slider's pathway due to the first slider obstructing it; this is still a very valid complaint. just because some people deem it okay does't mean that others will have the same opinion.I agree, but how is that point valid to stop this from being ranked? It's kinda simple tho, let's say that you don't agree with this map, that's fine I get it. It's map rigged with a reading concept of overlapping sliders, which presents a reading aspect that you're not a fan of. Also there's the flow of the map, that uses a lot of wide angles and linear motion, which you also is not a fan of. That's perfectly fine, however, that's not a REASON to stop ranking the map. You know why? Because the same way you don't like this, tons of others like it. It's the same way that other people dislike the current clean visuals/jump patterning flow in modern mapping. It's not good way to mod it if you're not willing to accept that this diff is in root denying all of the mapping that you're a part of. That's why you're vetoing this map imo. There's so much difference in the concepts used here (visually,Ranking Criteria wrote:
Every slider must have a clear and visible path to follow from start to end. Sliders which overlap themselves in a way that makes any section unreadable or ambiguous cannot be used, such as burai sliders and hold sliders without straightforward slider borders. When perfectly overlapping two slider bodies, the first slider must be fully faded out before the second slider is fully faded in.
kwk wrote:
quick opinion on the topic of the overlaps, im not a really a fan of them either but i think its fine, if readability is a concern since for most of them the overlapped slider follows through to the next note, so even if u dont see the overlapped portion it still plays fine...
except for this one 00:52:552 (4) - since i think there is a tendenency to stop mid way instead of all the way through, missing the slider tick. I'll move 00:53:060 (5) - instead so that the natural moviment isn't tricking the player to miss the slider tick, even tho HE should read that...
http://puu.sh/xQo79.jpg
aesthetics doesnt make sense to me but its playable ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Well you can't always please everyone ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ , but thx for modding it o/, really appreciate the words
Thanks for the mod Alarido and for saying that there's not reason for vetoAlarido wrote:
Just a few dots and [maybe] dashes:
yeah, I'm typing this while scanning & skimming through the diffs owo
1. Those [senseful] overlaps (like the ones at [Kegare] 00:31:959 (1,2,3) - ) are a bit difficult to read -- for me!!! -- but I'm sure badass players (lewa-kun, wwf and so on) will find them either (or both?!) easy and challenging. A bunch of other ones will like it too.
§ 1. Just as an example of "I hope it NOT happen with [Kegare]" with a past piece of mine: I remember a bn made me remove [InC0's Insane] from this mapset of mine -- and how it added pain inside both of us, InC0nceNtrateD and me.
3. A bit naziful at [Advanced]:
§ 1 About 00:02:975 (3) - would move a bit to XY(364, 272), adjust middle node to XY(388, 280) and tail node to XY(448, 272) - in order to consider a blanket with the next slider's head. Every other blankets eem OK. It wasn't supposed to be a blanket, but since most ppl are annoyed by that I'll change slider shape
4. At [Normal]:
§ 1. Found 01:20:771 (7) - with many unnecessary nodes. It would be re-done (deleted and replaced by a new fresh one) at XY(412, 352), adjusting middle node to XY(448, 356) and the tail node to XY(480, 344). After this, don't forget to keep hs consistence by re-adding whistle at both head and tail, and re-adding finish at the head.Fixed, made a symmetric copy with 01:20:009 (5) -
So that's all for today.
Imho, I don't longer see void reasons to keep it bubbleless but fearfullness or perhaps idiosyncrasies. Song is full of impact, it's fully bombastic (in the better sense ofc -- hope it get a kinda captive chairin the Top 5 like the Tarrasky's Get Jinxed mapset.
Last, just returning smoothly. Talvez eu mapeie o sal que sai do sol.
Com certeza ajudou e me deixou bem puto ver que eu mudei meu mapa de acordo com o mod do Doormat e você de cara já percebeu como ficou off o que ele sugeriu... Qualquer coisa que você ainda não concorde me procura IRC pra eu ajeitar o/pimpG wrote:
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por favor desative o grid snap e deixe as notas o mais proximas o possivel de 1.50, encontrei notas com distancia variando entre 1.47 e 1.56. da pra notar essas distancias erradas jogando.Essa variação de DS é aceitável, não fica das melhores, mas não é um problema a não ser os casos que vão além do 0,5x, caso eu veja algum irei fixar.
- 00:03:738 (1,2,3,4) - essa parte deveria ser mais dificil que a anterior, esses gaps de duas batidas não vão servir aqui. tambem acho que não combina com a musica deixar esses lugares sem nada.Fixed
- 00:18:993 (1) - eu deixaria sem hitsound nenhum aqui, ajuda a dar mais destaque a proxima nota.Prefiro manter consistente
- 00:45:687 (1,2) - remova todos os finish. não tem cymbal na musica aqui.Concordo que não tem cymbal, mas o hitsound aqui tá sendo usado pra colocar mais ênfase na transição
- 00:47:213 (1,2,3,4,5) - seu uso do default normal whistle aqui é meio diferente do jeito que usou no resto do map. basicamente você deve usar default normal whistle pra todos os vocais aqui também. usar drum sample não é bom se ele acaba quebrando seus hitsounds principais.Eu só utilizei o drum aqui 00:47:212 - , no resto do kiai está tudo usando a sampleset normal
- 01:03:992 (3) - devia usar whistle aqui tb Fixed
- 01:06:281 (2,3) - o mesmo de antes, a prioridade são os whistles do vocal Fixed
- 01:13:653 - ^ Fixed
- 01:22:297 (1,2,3) - finish apenas nos slider starts.To seguindo a ênfase desde a Kegare até aqui com esse final usando os cymbals
advancedcollab hard
- 00:18:993 (5) - eu deixaria sem hitsound nenhum aqui, ajuda a dar mais destaque na proxima nota. Mesmo caso do normal, prefiro manter a consistência
- 00:28:908 (1,2,3) - esses sliders ficam bem feios assim nesse posicionamento quase simetria. que tal isso ok
- 00:36:916 (2) - whistle para o vocal
- 00:46:958 - nada a ver esse som aqui, não tem isso na musica, deveria usar um hitnormal mais silencioso Certo, mudei pra soft
- 00:47:212 até 00:54:077 - preferia que os whistles continuassem seguindo o vocal a risca. ficaria muito melhor. esses whistles em red ticks tipo 00:47:848 - não são legais. Okay, fixado pra manter o whistle nos ticks brancos com vocal
- 01:11:619 (1,2,3,4,5) - acabo tendo alguns 100's nesse combo. essa nota 01:12:764 (4) - não deveria ser usada, é o local exato onde os versos se dividem, recomendo você remover esse circle e fazer 01:12:382 (3) - terminar no tick vermelho Inseri um gap 1/1 mesmo e removi o 4, fica bem melhor
- 01:14:670 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - isso ta muito fácil se comparar com a parte anterior/próxima. os instrumentos e o vocal estão fazendo as mesmas coisas então as patterns deveriam estar no mesmo nível de dificuldade. A intensidade do ritmo diminuiu um pouco porque eu percebi que a música se torna um tanto quanto mais leve aqui, é a maneira pela qual eu escutei e senti a música aqui.
- 01:18:865 (4) - o mesmo que 01:11:619 (1,2,3,4,5) - Sim eu arrumei também
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- 00:47:213 (1,2,3,4,5) - o tick vermelho em 00:47:593 (2) - não devia ser usado por não estar realmente sendo usado no vocal. as notas em stack tornam ainda mais dificil de entender o timing pois podem fazer o jogador pensar que o ritmo é algo assim
- 00:50:264 (1,2,3,4,5) - ^
- 00:53:314 (1,2,3,4,5) - ^ Eu discordo porque o ritmo não leva a crer que é 1/4, mas vou modificar esse ritmo já que ele causa tanta discordia. Eu tirei o primeiro circle como vc mencionou e coloquei tudo no DS. Fixed
- 01:02:467 (1,2,3,4,5,6) - pessimo design. acho que não tem nada a ver com o jeito que foi mapeado até agora.
- 01:05:009 (7,8,1) - a musica não tem nada que justifique esses anti-jumps. a forma que tem mapeado até agora também não. esse é o único antijump desse tipo na collab inteira. Fixed
- 01:08:569 (1,2,3,4) - o mesmo que 00:47:213 (1,2,3,4,5) -
- 01:09:331 (4,5,6,7,8) - péssimo design. acho que não tem nada a ver com o jeito que foi mapeado até agora. All fixed
- 01:22:297 (1,2) - use o mesmo tipo de slider. recomendo substituir o primeiro slider por um igual o segundo slider + circle. to usando o mesmo slider
Kegare
- 00:00:688 (1,2,3,4,5,1,2,3,4,5,1,2,3,4,5,1,2,3,4,5) - não combina nada com a musica. os gaps nos ticks vermelhos + jump +antijump tornam isso ainda pior e fica dificil entender o ritmo. Culpa o Doormat, esse ritmo foi ideia dele, eu aplico o ritmo ruim dele pra depois ele manter o veto.......
- 00:22:552 (4) - melhor fazer a distancia entre a anterior e proxima igual do que ter esse jump. [b[Spacing emphasis, no caso aqui todos as sliderheads dos vocais distorcidos merecem um destaque maior do que os circles; 00:21:026 (2,4,2,4) - [/b]
- 00:54:840 (1,2,3,4,5) - não faz sentido usar slider terminando em 1/4 aqui sendo que não usou em 00:48:738 (1,2,3,4,5) - nem em 00:51:789 (1,2,3,4,5) - Faz sentido se você considerar que toda essa parte; 00:54:840 (1,2,3,4,5,1,2,3,4,5,6,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - está mapeada de forma menos constante se comparada com as anteriores; 00:47:213 (1,2,3,4,5,6,1,2,3,4,5) - /00:50:264 (1,2,3,4,5,6,1,2,3,4,5) - . Outro fator importante pra eu querer manter isso é a estética dessa parte 00:54:840 (1,2,3,4) - .
- 00:59:416 (1,2,3,4,5) - eu notei que usou essa tecnica de stacks aqui nos vocais começando na main beat porém usou no vocal antes da main beat em 01:04:755 (2,3,4,5,1) - e também em 01:10:857 (3,4,5,6,1) - todas estão seguindo a mesma lógica na realidade; as conexões 1/2 estão no vocal 00:59:925 (3,4,5) - /01:05:264 (4,5,1) - /01:11:365 (5,6,1) - enquanto os gaps maiores estão começando em batidas fortes; 00:59:416 (1) - /01:04:755 (2) - /01:10:857 (3) - seguidos de sons com intervalo 1/1
não gostei desse hitnormal do sc:10. também não achei uma boa ideia trocar de hitnormal em 00:03:738 - eu acho que ficaria mais natural usar esse sc:11 no começo também. Faz todo sentido tanto o soft que estou usando como a transição do 00:03:738 - já que a guitarra mudou o fraseamento da guitarra para outro pitch e junto com ela o meu hitsound acompanhou.em algum momento do mod eu perdi a vontade de procurar erros menos óbvios nos hitsounds, mas é por causa da musica provavelmente (podemos tentar ver os hitsounds outro dia em um ircmod talvez). o map está legal e espero que meu mod ajude a melhorar um pouco.
- 00:12:128 (5) - esse slider deveria terminar em 1/4 também pra ficar consistente com os proximos sliders. Discordo completamente, os 1/4 só foram utilizados aqui pra mapear o low pitch da guitarra, todo o restante está no regular 1/2.
- 00:13:654 (5) - não devia estar posicionado da mesma forma que os sliders terminando em 1/4. você não fez isso em 00:07:552 (5,6,7) - 00:10:604 (5,6,7) - 00:16:705 (5,6,7) - Sim eu coloquei pra dar variedade no patterning e não ser muito repetitivo.
- 00:18:230 (5) - o mesmo que 00:12:128 (5) - Distâncias diferentes porque o player ainda não tinha jogado esse pattern ; 00:12:382 (6,7,1) - por isso a distância tinha que ser menor, pra não ter o elemento surpresa, mas na segunda repetição eu pude colocar mais espaçamento já que essa parte precisa de ênfase.
- 00:47:212 - até 00:57:891 - o volume dos whistles estão altos demais. eu entendo que está levando em conta que essa é a parte mais rápida/intensa da musica, mas no fim das contas os vocais não estão realmente mais altos que no resto da musica. por favor tente um volume apenas um pouco mais alto do que nas outras partes. Na realidade eu tinha feito uma sample com whistle mais alto, mas já que ninguém quer isso, fixed
com certeza faremos isso.Net0 wrote:
Qualquer coisa que você ainda não concorde me procura IRC pra eu ajeitar o/
Thanks~pimpG wrote:
lwl's
- i can barely hear your hitsounds. Yeah the hitnormal I use blends in a lot with the song, slightly raised hitsound volume across the entire map and amplified the hitnormal to a point where it's distinct with equal music and hitsound volume.
- 00:02:213 - don't make this a slider end I honestly don't think it's that important of a sound, the only reason I mapped it as a circle at 00:03:738 (1) - is because the other guitar sets in there.
- 01:23:568 (8) - remove repeat, make the slider end at 01:23:822 - ok fine since you're the second person to say this.
- 00:18:229 (1,2,3,4) - your slider shapes suggests that the circle should be placed somewhere bellow (3)'s tail It's done like that for emphasis since the sound on (4) is distinctly different from the sounds on the sliderheads previously
- 00:25:602 (3) - ^ ^
- 01:23:568 (8) - if you are making a slider at this spot, it should end on the long white tick but without that repeat slider because there is no sound there. make this a 1/1 beat slider.
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Doormat wrote:
m4m
[Tarrasky]
- 00:00:688 - to 00:06:789 - can you follow the guitars more closely? your current rhythm sense doesn't match the guitars all that well, although it certainly is better than the other insane. ye maybe, but i feels unecessary do so many circles at the so slow moment, just the 00:01:704 (7,8) - 00:01:704 (7,8,7,8) - are intense enough to show the guitar emphasis, and for me looks consistent so i'll keep (i know i can do stack circles or something but i like the current way and i dont think that is necessary change)
SPOILERguitars are doing something more inline with this:- 00:10:221 (2,3) - double whistle doesn't sound that great; sounds too excessive. if anything, remove the whistle on 00:10:349 (3) - yea sure
- 00:13:908 (1,2) - 00:16:959 (1,2) - 1/4 distance is kind of extreme in comparison to your previous extended sliders. i can't recommend this high spacing here, especially since it's a really high bpm song fixed, now flows better
- 00:57:636 (6,7,8) - can't recommend the triple here since there's no discernable sound on the blue tick. LULULUL, there's a clearly triple song here
- 01:23:314 (3,4) - distance between sliders is really extreme, i can't really recommend this high spacing, especially right at the end of the map. simmetrical,
like 01:22:552 (3,4) -, but i can nerf KEK
pimpG: Considerei algumas coisasAlarido wrote:
2. Going a bit nazi on [Tarrasky's Insane]:
§ 1. For a nicer visual aspect of a blanket, it may need some additional moves:
00:14:543 (2) - moving it to XY(96, 152) and, thus, 00:14:671 (3) - to XY(72, 240) so you can move 00:14:798 (4) - to XY(128, 308) in order to get a nicer blanket with the next embracing slider. eu ja mechi por ai antes, ta melhor agora
§ 2. This is surely amazing: 00:35:009 (1,2)
Bacana demais esse link pra eu dar update hein Tarrasky :3Tarrasky wrote:
Doormat wrote:
m4m
[Tarrasky]
- 00:00:688 - to 00:06:789 - can you follow the guitars more closely? your current rhythm sense doesn't match the guitars all that well, although it certainly is better than the other insane. ye maybe, but i feels unecessary do so many circles at the so slow moment, just the 00:01:704 (7,8) - 00:01:704 (7,8,7,8) - are intense enough to show the guitar emphasis, and for me looks consistent so i'll keep (i know i can do stack circles or something but i like the current way and i dont think that is necessary change)
SPOILERguitars are doing something more inline with this:- 00:10:221 (2,3) - double whistle doesn't sound that great; sounds too excessive. if anything, remove the whistle on 00:10:349 (3) - yea sure
- 00:13:908 (1,2) - 00:16:959 (1,2) - 1/4 distance is kind of extreme in comparison to your previous extended sliders. i can't recommend this high spacing here, especially since it's a really high bpm song fixed, now flows better
- 00:57:636 (6,7,8) - can't recommend the triple here since there's no discernable sound on the blue tick. LULULUL, there's a clearly triple song here
- 01:23:314 (3,4) - distance between sliders is really extreme, i can't really recommend this high spacing, especially right at the end of the map. simmetrical,
like 01:22:552 (3,4) -, but i can nerf KEKpimpG: Considerei algumas coisasAlarido wrote:
2. Going a bit nazi on [Tarrasky's Insane]:
§ 1. For a nicer visual aspect of a blanket, it may need some additional moves:
00:14:543 (2) - moving it to XY(96, 152) and, thus, 00:14:671 (3) - to XY(72, 240) so you can move 00:14:798 (4) - to XY(128, 308) in order to get a nicer blanket with the next embracing slider. eu ja mechi por ai antes, ta melhor agora
§ 2. This is surely amazing: 00:35:009 (1,2)
http://puu.sh/xq0Yp/4a98fa0704.rar
And to be quite honest with everyone, I'm tired of explaining the same stuff over and over and over again and ppl simply ignore my points and replies to force mods with personal choices of how this was supposed to be mapped. I don't see ppl asking why other mappers out there didn't map with x/y choice instead of z, they just accept sliders the size of a screen to represent a single vocal line, they accept 1/2 spam of jumps, but they can't accept my map for a reason beyond my capicity of understanding. This map has clear references, clear structure, a logic rhythm choice and a very interesting musical representation. So, either me and everyone that worked with this mapset is crazy (like at least 5 mappers already double checked the map for me, all of them with ranked maps and known maoppers) or everyone modding this mapset so far just decided that that this map shouldn't get ranked because it doesn't meet their personal "quality" standards.Naotoshi wrote:
[kegare]
00:01:450 (3,4,5) - ctrl g on these makes much more sense with the guitar melody rhythm wise. since theres 2 notes on 3 and 1 note on 4-5 Already explained rhythm before... 00:01:450 (3,4,5,6) - makes sense to build up with 00:02:976 (3,4,5,6) - for the actual guitar part, and I'm using slider here 00:02:976 (3) - to allow the additive 00:02:976 (3) - here
00:04:755 (7,8) - like u did here Diferent sections with different rhythms, I wonder why I did that...
also having them not lined up is kinda tilt
actually i kinda dont get your rhythm in the intro at all, you have these random overmapped circles and sliders that have guitar note on tails..? i suggest you revise the rhythm here to more accurately follow the guitar. for example 00:03:738 - becomes http://puu.sh/xYSdK/631c479728.jpg FIXED. Okay, people don't get the rhythm, I'll apply your pick here since I don't want to explain again...
00:15:433 (6,7) - 00:13:908 (6,7) - breaking sstructure for these two is really weird. the way it's set up makes a completely different motion only for these two when every other instance is the same back and forth movement. why do it like this? To avoid too much repetition, already explained like million times...
00:23:568 (1) - to quote logic agent: "Leave some room for jesus" All the slider arts are super close together, so why would I make it inconsistent in this one?
00:27:382 (1,2) - can u flip 2 across y=-x so it looks better
like https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/9325510
Looks out of the visual structure I use, so yeah, you might think it looks better but actually it looks worse. I make a lot of this visual in all my maps http://puu.sh/xZA4K.jpg / https://puu.sh/xZA6c.jpg / https://puu.sh/xZA8J.jpg / https://puu.sh/xZAcw.jpg / https://puu.sh/xZAll.jpg
hmm.. kiai
like others, i don't really like the amount of additive 1/2 stuff. i get that you're trying to maintain the pacing of the music, but sometimes the improvised stuff is actually harder than the intense vocals so the map seems out of balance in that regard. It doesn't because the circles are all linear wise motion while the sliders are highlly speed and more spaced.for example:
00:49:755 (6,7,8,9) -
00:36:281 (6,7,1) - (which creates a really uncomfortable movement that isnt really used anywhere else) not used anywhere else; 00:32:975 (5,6,7,1) -
/ 00:34:500 (5,6,7,1) - / 00:39:077 (5,6,7,1) - / most of the entire section is based on wide angles....
00:39:077 (5,6,7) - where it interrupts the structure of the song that is based on paired 1/1 vocals - . i think just 1/1 sliders here still fits a lot better.
00:54:840 (1,2) - not rly additive but 1/1 here would emphasize the start of a new phrase better since it would stick out
First of all, you can't mod this section using the same logic 00:31:958 - ~ 00:44:161 - and 00:47:212 - ~ 00:57:890 - , that's a problem in the analysis because they're very different in terms of their composition even tho both are kiai, musically and pattern wise you can see the difference between them.
Second, your rhythms suggestion ignore the primordial aspect of the rhythm adopted here, which is sliders for vocals and circle for the other stuff, like you suggestion here 00:39:077 (5,6,7,1) - why in the name of god would I use a 1/2 slider here 00:39:331 (6,7) - if THIS IS A SNARE DRUM BEAT AND NOT A VOCAL LINE...... Another example of ignoring the vocal rhythm adopted in the map was this suggestion; "00:47:975 (5,6,7,8) - sounds much better as all sliders, like 00:50:264 (1,2,3,4) - " just compare the vocal lines in both phrases; "koujigen no" compare it now to "nanimo furerarenai I trully put emphasis on the most important vocal lines here, you can listen to the song and see that the first phrase is way less fast paced and strong in pitch compared to the previous one. The same thing was done in the next section; 00:53:314 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - itsumo itsumo kawari sagashiterun da
00:53:060 (5,1) - this sort of comes out of nowhere considering you fill in every other 1/2. i dont normally care much about this kinda thing but considering the constant 1/2 spam i suggest you do something to distinguish this as 1/1 00:53:060 (5,1) - It used to be a stack but ppl /BN complained, now I changed and it's not distinguishble............. Stacked again, and the rhythm is not out of nowhere, 1/1 gaps before musical phrase repetitions is like, basic rhythm/mapping composition
00:56:365 (1,2,3,4,5,6,1,2,3,4,5,6) - cute star grid but i feel like the small star is too low intensity for the part. Oh really? I don't think anyone ever said this part was easy and trust me, it isn't. It's because of the low DS followed by stack 00:56:365 (1,2,3,4,5,6,1) - that the consecutive star is so emblamatic 00:57:128 (1,2,3,4,5,6,1) - .
01:02:211 (6,1) - slightly off dab FIXED
01:03:610 (6,7,8) - cant u make it equal lol Sure, someone asked for stack, now you want equal spacing... I feel like I'm dancing with my map doing modifications and then switching it back again to what it was before...
01:11:238 (6,7,8,1) - seems unnecessarily hard to hit with the linear spacing increase. Hmmmm, making build-ups hard seems unnecessary... Yep, don't agree.
01:11:873 (2,4,7) - you do this concept which is cool (aoi-iro step anyone) but then you completely abandon it 1 measure later? why only use it here I didn't abandon it neither used it only once, if you check THE ENTIRE section; 01:11:620 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9) - you will see that I did again here 01:14:670 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7) - following a triagular snare pattern that varies in itself 1-2-1-2 1 being mapped with slider 1/2 and 2 being mapped with a circle, all of them triangular with playfield...
01:16:577 (3,4) - ctrl g works better with the background guitar that you switch to in vocal pauses I'm legit just following the same rhythm pattern here 01:13:145 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9) - because similar sections, mapped similar within rhythm, but pattern wise different because of song intensity.
01:17:721 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7) - why do you randomly go full symmetry lol. Sure it was random right, it's not like this section 01:17:721 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7) - sounds way different compared to the other and builds up the song towards its end. sticks out a lot cuz the entirety of the map is based on these curve things but this part isnt. also the rhythm massively goes to shit to compensate for being forced into symmetry
01:22:297 (1,2,3,4,5,1) - seems anticlimatic Making bigger spacing here is off imo, so I picked a pattern hard to read with fast sliders, I don't really see this being anticlimatic
[light insane]
00:01:577 (4) - circle+slider is cuter and not too dense imo How is making the rhythm denser is supposed to make the it less dense? I don't see a logic for this modification, the revese makes the guitar sound very distinct here.
00:13:272 (2,3,4) - dont do this kinda thing on this diff, none of the higher diffs do anything like breaking time distance equality with 1/1 gaps. But it's like basic spacing emphasis lol, also I did that in Kegare as well, putting a reading aspect is something present in Kegare all the time so a good spread should introduce that concept eariler on so it can be better explored in the expert difficulty. In case you didn't see any of that in Kegare I'll just show you a simple example of that break in time distance equality in top diff; 00:59:797 (2,3,4,5) - / 01:01:323 (2,3,4,5) - others 00:13:654 (5,6,7,1) - /00:15:179 (5,6,7,1) -
/00:42:128 (8,9,10) - /00:43:400 (6,7,1,2) - /00:56:747 (4,5,6) - vs 00:57:891 (1,2) - , etc
00:31:068 - should fill imo Being consistent with 00:22:806 (1,2,3) -
00:31:450 (5,6) - vocal come in here, but nothing in the pattern changes =( Visual aspect was prioritized here to make sure people can read the 1/4 gaps.
00:36:281 (5,1,2) - visual spacing plz DS spacing? The entire diff is DS mapped
00:40:603 (5) - think u should just do circle slider at this diff lol. save these technique for low diffs FIXED, Fair enough, circle+slider
00:49:882 (5) - not a fan of randomly switching to the offbeat snares when you additively put louder drums on the white ticks with your hitsounding lol FIXED hitsound inconsistency, removed the snare on the sliderend there
00:56:365 (1) - plz its not 2012, use a more spread out pattern. this shit is really confusing compared to ur other patterns Not a valid point saying I can't map like 2012 when other ppl can do it. Sorry this pattern suits as a climax preciselly because it's confusing and I already explained it tons of times already why it's not off with the diff if you can see how gradually I made stacks, etc... Not explaining it AGAIN.
00:57:891 (1,2,3,4) - dont rly like this. 1/1 works better. ... FIXED, also tired of explaining the same thing over and over, now 1/1 gaps applied, even tho it sucks.
00:58:907 (7,8) - u could get a cool effect with a 1/1 gap into 2 circles then another 1/1 gap. atm it seems kinda weird cuz u just switch to the vocal layer with no pattern change / nc / differentiation The fact that the sliders are STRAIGHT sliders when you compare to all previous longer sliders doesn't mean anything to you?? There are A lot of ways to make differentiation that are not necessarily rhythm/spacing changes.
01:05:390 (5) - why overmap ._. rest of this part is based on 1/1 stuff, why go 1/2 suddenly Intensity increasing to make it more interesting, I wonder why you didn't mention it on Tarrasky's Insane tho if you really find this to be a trouble.
also 01:01:323 (2,3) - all of these ctrl g is nicer for the background guitar imo It's a vocal slider.... Like REALLY? The whistle there is like obvious going for the vocal
01:18:103 (3,4,5) - wtf is that visual spacing? plz make it look bigger. atm just looks like actual shit cuz of how tiny it is Looks like a pattern that's following,
DS and slider leniency
[hard]
00:38:060 (1,2) - random ds error? FIXED, yeah probably, not sure why it wasn't on DS o.O
00:41:110 (1,2,3,4,5) - i think these are too hard. sliders are still not that comfortable at this level, i don't think that you should spam so many. try to make it into 1/1 circles and fill in 00:41:874 (4,5) - with 1/2 or something. then you can put the sliders at 00:43:653 (5,6) - instead to differentiate it with a representative diff spike. Did you check advanced? Players are ready for this after the pattern on advanced 00:41:110 (1,2,3,4,5,1,2,3,4,1) - since the clickable intensity is pretty much the same, the only difference is following the sliders now.
00:45:687 (1,2) - should for sure be circles cuz repeat is too easy for how intense this is Makes sense with spread imo, if you check advanced 00:45:687 (1,2) - and light insane 00:45:687 (1,2,3,4) - I think the spacing and the rhythm keep a good balance, I might change tho depending on if your reply has something else to mention besides making it 4 circles.
01:23:441 - fill imo Why? It's already on the more intense sounds there, that will actually make this section more intense than it should be
yea. i think it still needs work... I don't agree, most things mentioned are just personal preference on HOW it should be mapped rather than issues; stuff like oh this is better with 1/2 sliders when I'm clearlly using sliders for one thing and circles for another is just ignoring the concept of the map and saying "yo you should map like this!". "This is not 2012" when other famous mappers CAN do stuff like that is also treating the same thing in two different manners, etc. Really appreciate the mod tho, thanks for accepting the request I know it was hard to mod this x.x
thankNaotoshi wrote:
[lwl]
00:01:959 (3) - tbh could be cute to cut the repeats off and have a 1/1 gap meh there's a note everywhere there and since I map the same tick clickable at 00:03:738 (1) - (even tho the music changes) I don't want to previously establish a 1/1 gap at that point
00:32:339 (2,3) - i know you stuck this everywhere but imo it doesn't really fit in a lot of the places. compare 00:32:339 (2,3) - to 00:32:975 (5,6) - , 6 is on a strong drum beat but 3 is overmapped. yet they get the same treatment? it's like artificially equating two things that aren't really equal. Yes they aren't equal, but I'm pretty limited in what I can do because it's a 4* map of a 236bpm song. I'm emphasizing the vocals and decided to treat drums the same unless they really stand out, it's less mapping a specific drum sound but rather keeping a mostly steady rhythm by mapping the drums without vocals here as stacks under the sliderends. The primary emphasis is vocals vs. non-vocals unless something else stands out unusually (for example 00:40:602 (5,6) - where there are 2 strong drum beats in a row which stands out and therefore is also mapped to stand out).
a lot of the patterns also look needlessly messy imo. for example 00:37:805 (5,1,2,3,4) - this entire construct has varying visual spacing which makes it look disorganized. even if each specific object has a reason to be in its location, overall the pattern doesn't look cohesive.
other examples:
00:39:966 (2,4,5) -
00:42:382 (1,2,3,4) -
00:55:348 (3,4,5,6) -
00:57:890 (1,4) -
and so on. try to make the patterns work together a bit better I agree in some places and tried to make it better, but I do value how things play over how they look, and there almost always is a logic to how objects are placed not just for the individual object but also in relation to each other (for example your third example, should be pretty obvious how it's composed.. Similar stuff for many of the others, but as I said I changed some
also randomly ignored note at 00:58:780 - =( I think I actually overheard that lo I hope it's readable as it is now
01:17:466 (2) - sounds better as a slider to match 01:17:212 (1) - didn't notice there were drums on the red tick there oops
01:23:314 (7) - sounds better as 2 circles to match the guitar and build up to 01:23:568 (8) - imo represents the guitar better as it is
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360,148,67679,1,0,0:0:0:0:
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300,232,68950,1,0,0:0:0:0:
256,160,69077,1,2,0:0:0:0:
212,232,69204,1,0,0:0:0:0:
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104,48,71492,1,8,0:0:0:0:
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296,96,72128,2,0,P|325:142|342:194,1,110,2|0,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
48,296,72382,2,0,P|124:328|264:316,1,220,10|0,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
304,216,72764,1,0,0:0:0:0:
259,119,72891,1,10,0:0:0:0:
259,119,73145,6,0,P|311:134|366:139,1,110,2|0,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
116,40,73399,2,0,P|61:44|8:59,1,110,8|0,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
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24,300,73908,2,0,P|112:352|212:272,1,220,10|0,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
296,128,74289,1,0,0:0:0:0:
332,244,74416,1,10,0:0:0:0:
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324,68,75814,1,0,0:0:0:0:
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72,272,77467,1,10,0:0:0:0:
180,296,77594,1,0,0:0:0:0:
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16,176,78992,1,10,0:0:0:0:
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The thing the guidelines are built around 170/180 bpm and this is 236, a massive difference. Not only that but those guidelines are built for a normal when there is already an easy in the set, the normal in this set is the lowest diff so 1 second just isn't enoughNet0 wrote:
Kisses wrote:
00:41:238 (1,1) - I personally would deem this unrankable as I don't believe there is enough recovery time after the spinner for the lowest difficulty. The approach rate 00:43:653 (1) - starts well before the spinner finishes and doesnt give players enough reaction time4/1 gap is the guideline for easy diffs and I'm applying it in a normal diff, so I think 1 second is a pretty nice range for a normal diff.
1 second is enough time, even if this is the lowest diff and I can list ranked examples to support it (this time I won't even mention old maps, just recent ones);Kisses wrote:
The thing the guidelines are built around 170/180 bpm and this is 236, a massive difference. Not only that but those guidelines are built for a normal when there is already an easy in the set, the normal in this set is the lowest diff so 1 second just isn't enough
valeu Triks -w-TriksGame wrote:
map muito top gostei muito