21:10 zev: zare can you irc my map
21:10 *zev is editing [https://osu.ppy.sh/b/1205662 Nardis - LOSTAIR [Another]]
21:10 Zare: urgh
21:10 Zare: wait
21:10 Zare: you asked me before rite
21:10 zev: i want to remap it kinda
21:10 zev: No that was gurello valley
21:10 Zare: o
21:11 zev: gerudo*
21:18 Zare: 00:02:910 (4) - this shud probably be 2 circles because two clickable piano notes feel better as circles then sliders
21:18 Zare: oh btw i'm a very rhythm focused modder I don't do placement much
21:18 zev: There might be two notes, but note that
21:19 Zare: unless spacing is really bad i dont really care 
21:19 zev: This section of the song is really calm
21:19 zev: Though i'll account that when i'll remap
21:19 Zare: 00:04:116 (1,2) - 00:04:979 (1,2,3) - but 
21:19 Zare: you sued circles for those notes as well
21:19 zev: I don't know what i was thinking
21:20 zev: lol
21:20 Zare: 00:12:047 (1,2) - these are 1/8
21:20 zev: right
21:20 Zare: 00:16:358 (3) - might wanna map the 1/4s here
21:21 Zare: 00:21:013 (1) - this slider is offbeat, goes against main melody
21:21 zev: Mhm...
21:21 Zare: http://puu.sh/vi9Th.jpg
21:21 Zare: feels better
21:21 zev: Mind modding everything after 00:50:668 (1) -
21:21 zev: I feel confident enough for the calm part
21:22 Zare: also transitions better into the next three notes to have more emphasis coming from the weak slidertail
21:22 Zare: 00:24:116 (5,6,1) - you're botchering rhythm here
21:23 Zare: http://puu.sh/vi9Zg.jpg do this instead
21:23 Zare: oh
21:23 Zare: i missed your line
21:23 Zare: whoops
21:23 Zare: i mean
21:23 Zare: i can 
21:23 Zare: but i might as well do everything
21:24 Zare: 00:26:703 (3,1) - shud ctrl g this rhythm
21:25 Zare: 00:34:461 - this feels super weird being on a tail
21:25 Zare: might wanna start a slider there instead
21:25 Zare: as in remove one reverse arrow on the buzz slider and then place a sliderhead there
21:25 zev: didi really do tha
21:25 zev: agree
21:26 Zare: 00:34:979 (3,4,5) - you really need to work on these rhythms
21:26 Zare: they're all kidna wonky but in different ways
21:26 Zare: even though they're all the same in the music
21:27 Zare: k im on the next sections now
21:27 Zare: seem good rhythm wise
21:27 zev: finally
21:27 Zare: LOL
21:28 zev: ow
21:28 Zare: u know
21:28 Zare: you seem to have a good grasp
21:28 Zare: on mapping
21:28 Zare: actually
21:28 zev: note, i've mapped  this pretty long ago actually
21:28 zev: 00:55:323 (1,2,3,4,5) -
21:29 zev: I didn't know slider --> circles tool even
21:29 zev: existed
21:29 zev: like, srsly..
21:29 Zare: lol
21:29 Zare: overall rhythm is fine tho
21:29 Zare: and spacing accomodates pitch changes /intensity properly
21:29 Zare: of course placement is a bit messy and patterns are ugly
21:30 Zare: 01:29:289 (6,1) - just a general tip, this kind of thing plays like dogshit
21:30 zev: yes, i wish soemone told me that 5 motnh  ago
21:30 Zare: having to dropoff a slider move directly backwards and then reverse aim on another slider is wonky as shit
21:30 zev: I've used alot of
21:31 zev: lineair sliders like that
21:31 zev: with the same direction of the follow point
21:31 Zare: unless first slider is like on an extended strong you can drop off of comfortably, please avoid this
21:31 Zare: string*
21:31 zev: I won't
21:31 zev: ok
21:32 Zare: 01:38:599 (3) - ew
21:32 Zare: this feels real bad
21:32 Zare: 01:38:772 - u want this to be clickable even if only as a circle
21:32 Zare: 01:39:116 - same here 
21:33 zev: I think that's more a preference, there's a distortion on the head
21:33 zev: sorry
21:33 zev: I want a
21:33 Zare: oo
21:33 Zare: i see
21:33 zev: 1/2 gap between
21:33 Zare: but its much quiter
21:33 zev: 01:38:341 (2,3,4) - dees
21:33 Zare: quieter
21:33 Zare: i think make it all circles
21:33 zev: I really like the
21:33 zev: 1/4 --> 1/2 aesthetic
21:33 zev: really feels wubby 01:38:341 (2,3) -
21:34 zev: xd
21:34 zev: i need this in it xd
21:34 Zare: eeeeh
21:34 Zare: i dont agree
21:35 Zare: http://puu.sh/viaFW.jpg
21:35 Zare: i think this is better 
21:36 Zare: 02:16:530 (1) - yooo dawg
21:36 Zare: no
21:36 Zare: pls
21:36 Zare: way too much
21:36 Zare: thats so out of line with the rest of your map
21:36 zev: I like that rhythm
21:36 zev: But i don't like the aesthetics of it
21:36 Zare: i mean the spacing on the streamjump
21:37 Zare: solely
21:37 zev: I don't know what i was doing okay
21:37 Zare: okay
21:37 Zare: its fine if you agree
21:37 Zare: 02:19:289 - entire section needs rhythm touchups again
21:38 zev: I'll follow the piano more next tme
21:38 Zare: 02:47:910 (1,2) - same issue as the other dropoff sliders
21:39 zev: I didn't really have a good sense of flow
21:39 Zare: k im mostly through
21:39 Zare: decent map
21:39 Zare: if I imagine this with like
21:39 Zare: good visuals
21:40 Zare: and less wonky patterns
21:40 Zare: then I'd call it good
21:41 Zare: btw
21:41 zev: You can post irc if you want
21:41 Zare: good song

11:04 zev: side can you take a look at my map
11:04 zev: :v
11:04 Side: is it anime?
11:05 zev: like totally the opposite
11:06 *zev is editing [https://osu.ppy.sh/b/1296169 Nardis - LOSTAIR [Galaxy]]
11:06 zev: :c sorry you only like anime?
11:06 Side: nope :v
11:10 zev: trying to get mods for it xdd
11:11 Side: well I passed it
11:11 Side: xd
11:12 zev: oh did ya, how it went
11:12 zev: fast slidr
11:13 Side: 00:30:840 - nice streem ;)
11:13 zev: starting on a red tick blah
11:13 zev: yah
11:13 Side: nah its fine
11:14 Side: 00:45:495 (1) - not diggin this pentagon tho.  Mostly cuz I really wanna click on 00:50:495 - 00:50:668 - 
11:14 zev: if something feels overdone or awkawrd tell me
11:15 zev: yeah i didn't want start on red tick
11:18 Side: not really a suggestion but 01:36:013 (2,1) - I kinda wanted the big jump to be here cuz of that high pitch change.  So a [https://puu.sh/vW3xt/c5ccc33892.png back and forth] is what I was kinda hoping for.  But its consistent the way u have it so its fine
11:20 zev: yeah, i don't really like emphasing unique sounds too much
11:21 zev: https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/8135003 something like that?
11:21 zev: it does fit with the aesthetic tho
11:21 Side: could work 
11:22 zev: maybe i'll do it, 1/2 stack
11:22 zev: halts so much speed
11:22 zev: ugh
11:22 zev: xd
11:23 zev: i think that actually imrpoves the map a bit
11:23 Side: 03:25:495 (1) - 2
11:24 zev: 2?
11:24 Side: looks like a two :^)
11:24 zev: eksdee
11:24 Side: a spinner would be a better climax imo
11:24 Side: since the slow slider kinda kills the momentum 
11:25 zev: i find them both equally attractive options
11:25 Side: also that break could probably be mapped with slower sliders to the piano 
11:26 Side: which would also feel better after a spinner
11:26 zev: yeah agree
11:26 zev: did you notice any wakward flow in wubs
11:26 zev: cause im bd with flow
11:27 zev: probably will do a spinner next update
11:27 Side: theres a few ye
11:28 zev: can u maybe forum mod xd
11:28 Side: I was gonna savelog
11:28 zev: so i can keep track of stuf ya
11:28 Side: won't be on too long so ye
11:29 zev: ay owo
11:30 zev: really like that idae in the wubs.
11:30 zev: ill think aobit it
11:32 Side: if you make that change in the wubs another thing you can do with a similar concept is 01:50:323 (1,1,1) - stack 01:50:495 (1) - onto the slider end of 01:50:668 (1) - cuz pitch 
11:33 Side: also follows the pitch thingy and it can be consistently changed with the other sliders in the wub section like 02:12:392 (1,1,1) - and the others
11:34 Side: actually I'll just post this I gotta go soon xd
11:34 zev: oka
11:34 Side: maybe I'll give it a more detailed mod when the sets done
11:35 zev: aight

hi-mei wrote:

Galaxy
I dont really like the pink color for combos here, the BG doesnt hint that color at all. Maybe change it to yellow? yellow is too close to combo color 5
00:16:358 (4) - nc, new sound measure the piano notes are now longer extended, so the combo is longer extended
00:36:875 (7,8,9,10) - this needs a new pattern, reference:00:31:702 - the pattern you referenced is a different phrase of the song and can't be applied there
00:38:599 (7) - nc NC's here are preserve to indicate actual changes in the song or when swapping to a different instrument, just following 4/4 downbeats make things weird and creates inconsistent patterns, also to note that the whole map is colorhaxed(like all my maps)
00:50:668 - 00:50:926 - i would make a slider here, good opportunity for 1/4 jump to emphasize 00:51:013 (1) - better no i want a 1/1 gap for more contrast in the transition
00:59:289 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10) - would divide these on small combos by 2. reference: 01:11:185 (1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2) - i'm mapping the piano which has a different new combo concept than the drum/kick pattern you referenced, which is why 01:01:013 (1,2,1,2) - is divided by combos of 2
01:07:909 - missed the hitsound? reference: 01:06:530 - oops fixed
01:27:220 (1,2) - i dont really like how the correlate with each other, use ctrl+shift+s to resize one of them and then copy-paste. they are actually not equal. lol copy pasted m8
01:32:737 (1,1,1,1,1,1) - you should make this pattern more accurately, 01:33:426 (1) - slider end shud be properly stacked to 01:33:082 (1) -
same for this 01:33:771 (1) - yeah true, i don't know what i was thinking 7 months ago
01:33:771 (1) - this one is too long, it doesnt line up with 01:33:082 (1,1) - ^

^
01:38:599 (2) - you sure it shud be a note, not fast slider? this sound is so unique, you better reconsider it. 01:49:633 - same It's a circle for more breathing room/rhythm contrast for the player, making that a slider would devalue the main sliders of the wub section
01:43:082 - same, i'd say ^
01:45:840 - lack of emphasis on slider end? thats a strong beat over there releasing a note is enough emphasize for the player at this speed, i want the long wub synth to have the most priority because that stands out the most for me
02:07:909 - same, i think there shud be a note
02:21:702 - talked about streams above, i think it shud change the direction from this point
02:24:461 - same^
02:27:220 - ^
02:32:737 - ^
02:38:254 - ^ basically here you can hear a different stronger sound to others in this sound phrase
03:05:840 - ^
03:08:599 - ^
03:11:358 - ^ only mapping the synth that's comfortable to follow for the player
well, im simply against not emphasizing the sound change on (7) in each stream. I'm only mapping the synth layer
02:38:599 (1,1) - oversimplified rhythm, but w/e its your choice it's so the next part of the song feels alive again
02:55:151 (1) - isnt it too fast? like... i think theres no way the player can guess that this slider is fast. basically you didnt prepare him for sudden changes, however there are similar places like this 02:53:426 (1,2) - here. rhythm sense, the player basically recognizes it as 2 1/2 jumps, plays fine
yes, 02:55:151 (1,2) - this one is stronger, but not THAT stronger
03:11:702 (10) - nc? no
02:57:909 (1) - 02:58:944 - i still feel like you shud nerf it to 4.00x at least also plays naturally for players, try like picturing them as 1/2 jumps
03:03:771 - missed a note? if this intentional, then please explain. feels really odd to me it's on a sliderend so it's mapped, i'm only following the impact here 03:03:427 - it stands out the most for me
03:11:702 (10) - nc? no, they are colorhaxed pink streams
03:25:495 (1) - i would suggest you to make this a 3rd corner to 03:25:150 (6,7) - thing, however if you do, the note will be outside of the playfield, so you might move it a bit? no

03:33:771 - 03:34:978 - 03:35:668 - 03:36:185 - might be a slider art? yehj

alright, thats it for now, im kinda surprised you did a good job at parts of this map.
some stuff needs a bit of work to stretch it to 2018 mapping standards for easy rank. lul

alright w/e i gonna check lower diffs now.

Insane:
00:12:047 (2) - man, put this inside the circle and rotate like that no ;w;, preference

00:12:392 (1) - slider end of it might be stacked with 00:11:530 (3) - slider end to make things clean
00:32:909 (3) - nc? reference: 00:32:220 (1) - no, i've explained it already
00:34:461 (2) - make the curve more circular to approach circle of 00:34:116 (1) - ? it's looks pretty ok to me tbh, dunno
01:27:909 (3,1) - remove overlap? why? it's emphasized in rhythm
01:44:719 - mute the slider end? it has no sound under it, however it ow thanks didn't really notice that
02:01:701 (1,2) - 2 needs more emphasis? (spacing) it feels pretty comfortable for me already imo, the way you move through sliders already makes everything emphasize about the same
02:35:840 (1,3) - make them closer to the point, where the distance between 02:35:840 (1) - slider end and the body will be equal to distance of 02:35:840 (1,3) - these two (i know about stacked note, you still can do that)moved closer
03:05:840 - 03:16:874 - talked about these in galaxy diff mod

alright thats it
the way your mod is build up i think we have different mapping philosophies that are just clashing hard, eg: the sound on (7) feels so irrelevant to me because i'm already prioritizing the synth the rest just are secondary beats for me. /shrug