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Stop shitposting and focus on the map. I'm sure there will be plenty of actual discussion, don't post useless shit to spam the thread.
Side note: I plan to mod this too, as I disagree with the concept. It feels very CBCCesque.
Side note: I plan to mod this too, as I disagree with the concept. It feels very CBCCesque.
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fieryrage
1) 00:21:613 (1,2,1,2,1,2) - this is the only set of jumps that decrease in spacing (also accounting for 0.1 SR), why? this is literally the same thing as 01:25:411 (1) - this section lol Not quite. First of all, let's break the circles you have highlighted apart. I don't know where you got the 'decreased spacing' vibe from, but 00:21:613 (1,2) - this is the most intense part of the section, and that is why it's so spaced. If you select it, and rotate it by 90 degrees, you get something like this: http://i.imgur.com/CQos0VL.jpg. Which is nowhere near decreased spacing, but rather the opposite.
Also for these 00:21:993 (1,2,1,2) - circles, they are the same spacing as 00:20:094 (1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2) - those which sound the same and therefore the have the same spacing.
As for 01:25:411 (1,2) - this section that you said is literally the same as 00:21:613 (1,2,1,2,1,2) - this section, I'm sorry but you're wrong. It's actually the same as 00:18:575 (1,2) - this.
01:28:449 (1,2,1,2,1,2) - This section is actually the same as the one you highlighted, 00:21:613 (1,2,1,2,1,2) - this.
2) the kiai besides the ending is underwhelming, the only real "big" jump is 01:17:816 (1,2,3) - despite there being plenty of opportunities for intense jump sections ie 01:10:221 (1,2,3,1,2,3,4) - right here (and no, barely-spaced triangles don't count as intense jumps) And that is because the rest of the kiai DOESN'T feel as intense as the parts I have mapped with 1-2 jumps. I don't agree with you spacing the rest of the kiai time the same as the ending, as there are no supporting instruments for that or climaxing vocals.
01:17:816 (1,2,3,1) - This is the climax of the first kiai, and while it isn't as intense as the second kiai with the drums, the vocals make it so that it called for this spacing.
3) 01:28:449 (1,2,1,2,1,2,1) - this pattern alone accounts for over 0.2 SR and is overspaced for absolutely no reason, like 01:30:158 (1,2,3,4,5) - this is LESS spacing than those jumps and it's the climax????????? Remember how I told you above that 00:21:613 (1,2) - this is the most intense part of the first jump section? Same goes for this 01:28:449 (1,2,1,2,1,2) - part, but this time there are vocals supporting the jumps while the drums go crazy in the background, which in my opinion is perfect.
Also for 01:30:158 (1,2,3,4,5) - this pattern, you said that it has less spacing and is the climax while not the peak in my opinion, it's where the drums change to a different rhythm, and while it doesn't have the same spacing, it still is spaced and enough, and more importantly, it is more awkward to justify for the slightly lesser spacing. At least for me, back and forth jumps are easier to play than star patterns, which is why I did that.
4) map is 5.22 stars with 01:25:411 (1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1) - this entire jump section removed, why are you increasing the difficulty at the last 5 seconds of the map? what's the purpose of doing that? there's equally as intense sections like this in the map but you opted to put the only hard part at the end? not only that, the patterns are also the most generic and basic thing and easy as hell to hit. considering your past "map" was pp farm (that YOU farmed almost immediately as it got ranked) i think i'm safe in saying that you literally made these jumps to map pp for yourself and nothing else
Why do you keep mentioning star rating, and what does that have to do with anything? You are assuming things and the complications this time are different. I have no intention of playing this map for performance points, and I certainly did not do it to satisfy my needs. I already explained why I decided to use this spacing, and it just happened that the intense part of the song is at the end of it, and how I don't agree with you that the rest of the kiai should be as spaced.
Also for these 00:21:993 (1,2,1,2) - circles, they are the same spacing as 00:20:094 (1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2) - those which sound the same and therefore the have the same spacing.
As for 01:25:411 (1,2) - this section that you said is literally the same as 00:21:613 (1,2,1,2,1,2) - this section, I'm sorry but you're wrong. It's actually the same as 00:18:575 (1,2) - this.
01:28:449 (1,2,1,2,1,2) - This section is actually the same as the one you highlighted, 00:21:613 (1,2,1,2,1,2) - this.
2) the kiai besides the ending is underwhelming, the only real "big" jump is 01:17:816 (1,2,3) - despite there being plenty of opportunities for intense jump sections ie 01:10:221 (1,2,3,1,2,3,4) - right here (and no, barely-spaced triangles don't count as intense jumps) And that is because the rest of the kiai DOESN'T feel as intense as the parts I have mapped with 1-2 jumps. I don't agree with you spacing the rest of the kiai time the same as the ending, as there are no supporting instruments for that or climaxing vocals.
01:17:816 (1,2,3,1) - This is the climax of the first kiai, and while it isn't as intense as the second kiai with the drums, the vocals make it so that it called for this spacing.
3) 01:28:449 (1,2,1,2,1,2,1) - this pattern alone accounts for over 0.2 SR and is overspaced for absolutely no reason, like 01:30:158 (1,2,3,4,5) - this is LESS spacing than those jumps and it's the climax????????? Remember how I told you above that 00:21:613 (1,2) - this is the most intense part of the first jump section? Same goes for this 01:28:449 (1,2,1,2,1,2) - part, but this time there are vocals supporting the jumps while the drums go crazy in the background, which in my opinion is perfect.
Also for 01:30:158 (1,2,3,4,5) - this pattern, you said that it has less spacing and is the climax while not the peak in my opinion, it's where the drums change to a different rhythm, and while it doesn't have the same spacing, it still is spaced and enough, and more importantly, it is more awkward to justify for the slightly lesser spacing. At least for me, back and forth jumps are easier to play than star patterns, which is why I did that.
4) map is 5.22 stars with 01:25:411 (1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1) - this entire jump section removed, why are you increasing the difficulty at the last 5 seconds of the map? what's the purpose of doing that? there's equally as intense sections like this in the map but you opted to put the only hard part at the end? not only that, the patterns are also the most generic and basic thing and easy as hell to hit. considering your past "map" was pp farm (that YOU farmed almost immediately as it got ranked) i think i'm safe in saying that you literally made these jumps to map pp for yourself and nothing else
Why do you keep mentioning star rating, and what does that have to do with anything? You are assuming things and the complications this time are different. I have no intention of playing this map for performance points, and I certainly did not do it to satisfy my needs. I already explained why I decided to use this spacing, and it just happened that the intense part of the song is at the end of it, and how I don't agree with you that the rest of the kiai should be as spaced.
Feb
hi there.
I should mod a different map, but here I am modding this!
We should stay for real here. This map was purposely made just for pp and hey that's alright, but the map should follow the song at least a little bit. No? Of course im talking about the highest diff.
Anyway ikimashou!!
General:
The offset is abit off. Judging from 00:41:368 (1) - it at least needs +5ms
Minor things:
00:10:791 - should be nc'd following your nc pattern before.
00:45:925 (1) - stack me
01:10:229 (1) - the ncing is wrong here, If you plan on following the piano here as well. It's a simple 1-2-1-2 pattern here. Also the vocal follows this pattern very clearly not only the piano.
00:24:564 - you forgot the clap on the tail here.
00:38:520 (1,2,3) - these drums are very weak in the song, this much spacing seems unreasonable. I don't agree with you here. 00:38:706 (2,3) - These beats are intense enough to have such spacing. And 00:38:136 (5,1) - this, while 00:38:516 (1) - being the weakest beat, it does have a 1/1 beat difference. I don't see any problems with it.
00:54:651 (4,1) - the almost overlapping thing on the tail doesn't look nice imo. Looks and plays well to me.
Other things:
00:49:912 (4,1) - this can receive considerably more emphasize as strong as it is. How about buffing these?(I'd prefer to keep it as it is.) Actually nvm, I changed the rhythm.
another thing that bugs me is that there's really no build up done for 01:04:145 (1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2) - these huge jumps. Sure the jumps build up by each combo, but that's not enough to explain these jump section. What are you talking about? The build-up IS the jump pattern.
rhythm:
00:14:968 (4,5) - should be swapped since you follow the piano with every other slider. I hear two piano notes, 00:14:972 - here and 00:15:162 - here. That is why I decided to use this rhythm.
00:57:223 - these triplets are never mapped anywhere in similar cases like 01:00:261 - 00:54:944 - these so why here? Yes because in those similar cases there is no clear indication of sound in the blue ticks.
01:00:925 - these are clearly skipped due to simplicity to not have players miss here. These are even very prominent and and are clearly recognizable, but you rather map those almost inaudible cymbal triplets.
00:18:583 (1) - I really don't wanna step on the bandwagon here, but I agree with Xexxar here in terms of importances of sounds. To me it's not understandable that you prioritize the piano until this point and ignore it strictly 00:19:343 (1,1) - on these or 00:20:862 (1,1) - 00:22:191 (2,2) - or these? just to have simple 1-2 jumps that are easier to hit. This does make the map look stale and that's my major complain here not the abusive pp jumps. Like I said, what I am doing here is consistently following the rhythm of the drums, (literally they play the same rhythm for 5 seconds) and since there is no variation to them, there will be no variation to the jumps either, hence why they seem like stagnant 1-2s. To account for that, since the drums on (1)s are a bit more intense, when you are coming from (2), they always have higher distance spacing to compensate for that. This is how I interpreted the song the first time I heard it, it's not something I did to deliberately abuse pp. While it's true that in fact the nature of the jumps do that to a certain degree, it also goes without saying that it's the song that what allows for those jumps. I wouldn't randomly place 1-2 jumps where they don't fit. And for me they truly do seem like they fit. Some people have agreed with me on the intensity of the drums while others say that I should just map sliders. I personally think that it depends from person to person, and there is no 'right way' to map it.
00:21:526 - putting a circle here would be an overmap, but it would also help making the pattern play less static as it is right now. I'd rather not do that, it certainly is overmapped, and for such a controversial map where people are nitpicking everything, it could even be a reason for disqualification again.
00:34:343 - at first i thought you were following the piano again which is fine, but then you do 00:34:912 - this and im like "vocal?" then I saw the pattern and was like "oh". Follow either the piano or vocal or both if it is possible, but don't ignore what you were prioritizing simply for your pattern. 00:34:719 (4,5) - There is no piano on these notes, so I have to map something, I can't just leave it empty right? I'm not exactly following the vocals, they are actually corresponding to the drums.
00:47:254 (1,2) - the same as i mentioned above. 00:46:685 - You do not follow the vocal here, so why here?
01:04:715 (1,1) - these should be nc'd as they actually follow something not like the current 1-2-1-2 comboing you have currently. I'd rather keep those NC'd.
01:06:234 (3,1) - these are the same thing, but differently mapped, so the question arises why not align them? What do you mean by align?
So in conclusion the map is bluntly said a pp map, but that isn't my major concern. It can be done a lot in terms of rhythm and also the NCs are sometimes super misleading which conflict again with the rhythm.
I'm sorry I can't continue the mod from here I've stopped at the chorus, but the rest of the map deals with the same kind of problem!
offtopic
00:17:721 - wow i never realized this had a sound on 1/8
Points made that are left unanswered are changed.
Good Luck tho!
I should mod a different map, but here I am modding this!
We should stay for real here. This map was purposely made just for pp and hey that's alright, but the map should follow the song at least a little bit. No? Of course im talking about the highest diff.
Anyway ikimashou!!
General:
The offset is abit off. Judging from 00:41:368 (1) - it at least needs +5ms
Minor things:
00:10:791 - should be nc'd following your nc pattern before.
00:45:925 (1) - stack me
01:10:229 (1) - the ncing is wrong here, If you plan on following the piano here as well. It's a simple 1-2-1-2 pattern here. Also the vocal follows this pattern very clearly not only the piano.
00:24:564 - you forgot the clap on the tail here.
00:38:520 (1,2,3) - these drums are very weak in the song, this much spacing seems unreasonable. I don't agree with you here. 00:38:706 (2,3) - These beats are intense enough to have such spacing. And 00:38:136 (5,1) - this, while 00:38:516 (1) - being the weakest beat, it does have a 1/1 beat difference. I don't see any problems with it.
00:54:651 (4,1) - the almost overlapping thing on the tail doesn't look nice imo. Looks and plays well to me.
Other things:
00:49:912 (4,1) - this can receive considerably more emphasize as strong as it is. How about buffing these?
another thing that bugs me is that there's really no build up done for 01:04:145 (1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2) - these huge jumps. Sure the jumps build up by each combo, but that's not enough to explain these jump section. What are you talking about? The build-up IS the jump pattern.
rhythm:
00:14:968 (4,5) - should be swapped since you follow the piano with every other slider. I hear two piano notes, 00:14:972 - here and 00:15:162 - here. That is why I decided to use this rhythm.
00:57:223 - these triplets are never mapped anywhere in similar cases like 01:00:261 - 00:54:944 - these so why here? Yes because in those similar cases there is no clear indication of sound in the blue ticks.
01:00:925 - these are clearly skipped due to simplicity to not have players miss here. These are even very prominent and and are clearly recognizable, but you rather map those almost inaudible cymbal triplets.
00:18:583 (1) - I really don't wanna step on the bandwagon here, but I agree with Xexxar here in terms of importances of sounds. To me it's not understandable that you prioritize the piano until this point and ignore it strictly 00:19:343 (1,1) - on these or 00:20:862 (1,1) - 00:22:191 (2,2) - or these? just to have simple 1-2 jumps that are easier to hit. This does make the map look stale and that's my major complain here not the abusive pp jumps. Like I said, what I am doing here is consistently following the rhythm of the drums, (literally they play the same rhythm for 5 seconds) and since there is no variation to them, there will be no variation to the jumps either, hence why they seem like stagnant 1-2s. To account for that, since the drums on (1)s are a bit more intense, when you are coming from (2), they always have higher distance spacing to compensate for that. This is how I interpreted the song the first time I heard it, it's not something I did to deliberately abuse pp. While it's true that in fact the nature of the jumps do that to a certain degree, it also goes without saying that it's the song that what allows for those jumps. I wouldn't randomly place 1-2 jumps where they don't fit. And for me they truly do seem like they fit. Some people have agreed with me on the intensity of the drums while others say that I should just map sliders. I personally think that it depends from person to person, and there is no 'right way' to map it.
00:21:526 - putting a circle here would be an overmap, but it would also help making the pattern play less static as it is right now. I'd rather not do that, it certainly is overmapped, and for such a controversial map where people are nitpicking everything, it could even be a reason for disqualification again.
00:34:343 - at first i thought you were following the piano again which is fine, but then you do 00:34:912 - this and im like "vocal?" then I saw the pattern and was like "oh". Follow either the piano or vocal or both if it is possible, but don't ignore what you were prioritizing simply for your pattern. 00:34:719 (4,5) - There is no piano on these notes, so I have to map something, I can't just leave it empty right? I'm not exactly following the vocals, they are actually corresponding to the drums.
00:47:254 (1,2) - the same as i mentioned above. 00:46:685 - You do not follow the vocal here, so why here?
01:04:715 (1,1) - these should be nc'd as they actually follow something not like the current 1-2-1-2 comboing you have currently. I'd rather keep those NC'd.
01:06:234 (3,1) - these are the same thing, but differently mapped, so the question arises why not align them? What do you mean by align?
So in conclusion the map is bluntly said a pp map, but that isn't my major concern. It can be done a lot in terms of rhythm and also the NCs are sometimes super misleading which conflict again with the rhythm.
I'm sorry I can't continue the mod from here I've stopped at the chorus, but the rest of the map deals with the same kind of problem!
offtopic
00:17:721 - wow i never realized this had a sound on 1/8
Points made that are left unanswered are changed.
Good Luck tho!
Xexxar
Hello there! I have some issues regarding this mapset:
(I see you were inspired by my map, My Hero! Up to you!)
[Spark of Light]
Points made that are left unanswered are changed.
omg 100th post on thread!
(I see you were inspired by my map, My Hero! Up to you!)
[Spark of Light]
- 00:19:335 (1,2,1,2) - the main melody changes here to 1/2 rhythm however nothing in your map reflects this change. Because you're mapping 1--2 jumps to the drumbeat, this sort of seems like an oversight as prioritizing calm drums like this when there is clearly more important sounds going off
- 00:18:575 (1,2,1,2) - also you should probably map these as sliders considering that you want to highlight the change in rhythm caused by 00:19:335 (1,2,1,2) - because then 00:20:094 (1,1,1,1) - is mapped to snares 00:20:283 (2,2,2,2) - and these are mapped to the melody
- 00:21:518 - have you thought about making this a triplet, to better reflect the song. I have already answered to all 3 points you made above, in Feb's mod, please refer to that if you're interested in my reply.
- 00:22:942 (2) - perhaps you should make this a circle instead of a slider and do an anti jump to contrast the constant movement. No,
I'd rather emphasize on the cymbal with an angle change using a slider. plus, I don't want to leave a 1/1 gap open here 00:23:136 - . - http://puu.sh/x2RCh/94c1287b03.jpg ur blanket could be improved here That is the least of my worries right now, but fixed, thanks :
) - 00:46:677 - is mapped to vocals which you seem to focusing, so it seems weird that this is mapped passively
- 00:45:727 (5) - you probably should map this as a slider end instead of a circle since its barely audible and really isnt the type of rhythm that i think you should be prioritizing
- 01:13:449 - how come you're mapping this passively when u mapped 01:13:069 (3) - actively? seems counter productive to following the song.
- 01:16:677 - this is a really bad case of mapping a strong beat to the slider end. Highly recommend changing this I decided to keep this slider as it is But instead I changed 01:16:870 (2) - this into a slider, they used to be circles, which is the point you made below actually lol I just saw that.
- 01:17:056 (3) - in that same light, this note should really be a slider end.
- 01:25:411 (1,1) - you should make these two sliders to highlight the same polarity shift from earlier that i mentioned here 00:19:335 (1,2,1,2) -
- 01:28:449 (1,2,1,2) - why are you mapping these as the largest 1-2 jumps, because you continuously grow spacing when it doesnt really fit, the impact from the vocals on 01:29:398 (2,1,2) - are completely ignored because you have exceeded the limit of the editor This is explained in fiery's mod, but I'll explain here as well. Compared to the first kiai, this time there are vocals supporting the jumps while the drums go crazy in the background. The spacing is steadily increasing because the vocals are climaxing. The drums feel as intense as they can possibly be out of the whole kiai section, which led me to map it this way.
- 01:29:778 (2) - also another good place to use anti jumps to break up the monotonous movement. What breaks the 'monotonous' movement is the angle change 01:29:402 (2,1,2) - here.
- 01:30:158 (1,2,3,4,5) - can u not, this is extremely excessive How come?
Points made that are left unanswered are changed.
omg 100th post on thread!
Thanks for modding!
EDIT: added my reply to fieryrage to this post for anyone not bothered searching pages back.
DeletedUser_3638005
with align i meant mapping them either the one or the other way, but not mixing them up with different objects.
i think thbe only problem i have is y u woiuld try to randomly map to different things between 00:30:729 - to 01:07:185 - since it does the opposite of helping the player accurately follow/play to the song and since at every other part ur consistent in wot u map for each section
Okay now that its dqed, hopefully you could apply some more things to further improve and balance out the map. On this post I will talk about aesthetic/structure issues over the whole set, except normal which looks fine. On the second, probably adding more to the discussion of emphasis and rhythm. So basically this is a polish mod, mod that this map doesn't look like it had that much.
[Spark of light]
Generally, if you focus a bit you could make it much better looking with not much effort. Aesthetic issues are apparent in my eyes, and easily fixable. So, I adressed the issue in the last mod, you kinda dismissed it as a blanket mod. But if you saw, those things that I've pointed out were in like 5 seconds, meaning that the map isn't really polished. Its not really a minor issue if its present in most of the map.
00:46:487 (2,3,4,1) - lets say this pattern for example. If you notice, it has 3 visual errors http://i.imgur.com/DZn91kJ.jpg. The closet distances between objects is always different. This leads to untidy aesthetics. Everyone could agree that this look better http://i.imgur.com/t892Mbb.jpg.
00:48:006 (3,4,5,1) - the following pattern also has chaotic placement. http://i.imgur.com/Ajro8vx.jpg simple rotation, and you end up with much better looking pattern.
00:54:651 (4,1) - having slider end touching with slider head is poor looking.
01:12:310 (3,2,3,1) - mentioned this in previous mod, just look at that visual spacing inconsistency http://i.imgur.com/yKWmuIO.jpg
01:14:588 (1,2,3) - this pattern is kinda poorly done, the previous 3 slider pattern always made some kind of a triangle, like a firework, which I thought would be kinda the theme of the patterning. Here it is done completely randomly, without any connection, and failed visual spacings.
01:18:385 (1,3) - being this close breaks the overall spaced structure connections, it sticks out too much. Stakcign and moving these two here http://i.imgur.com/eJqJelk.jpg would be wonderful 01:19:145 (3) - 01:20:474 (3) -
Overally, there are also a few more parts where visual distance is lacking, and taking a look at the map by yourself regarding this issue would surely cause improvement.
[N a s y a 's i n s a n e]
00:14:592 - this is actually stronger and makes sense to be a slider to follow the guitar, as it seems, the white tick slider in its current state ends on a stronger beat 00:14:972 - which is another intense guitar hit.
00:20:478 (2,5) - just please, this placement is..
00:19:339 (3) - this is a strong note, yes, it has a loud guitar to it 00:20:858 (3) - so does this one. The later one is emphasized properly by being given a sharp and and biggest spacing, while the former is completely disregarded
00:22:946 (1,4) - Please, this overlap is really unappealing, its not even overlapped with similar amount of surface as previous overlaps: 00:22:567 (4,1) -
00:31:681 (3,1) - blanket
00:32:060 (1) - having a started like this, usually calls for stuff being based around it, however it is completely disregarded, and doesn't connect with further patterns in any way. Like look how 00:32:630 (2,3,4,5) - has about same visual spacing all around, but nothing connects in such a way to the C slider.
00:35:858 (3,5) - blanket
00:36:807 (1) - such important note gets no spacing emphasis 00:36:617 (5) - this kidna filler circle has even more spacing, no contrast is established.
00:47:250 (5,6) - can't you make em to be identical, having two slightly differnt curved sliders is chaotic
00:48:010 (1,3) - blanket
00:50:288 (1,4) - these two could also have identical slider shape, copy paste rotaion, you know the drill
In the map, there are a lot of mixed overalapping styles, sometimes its a full overlap, sometimes overlapped heavily, sometimes a bit less. Song lasts for one and a half minute, I don't think including this many structure ideas is necessary. 01:03:200 (3,4) - lets take this almost full overlap and then 01:05:858 (1,2,3) - full overlap style. Now that the kiai has started, 01:07:946 (3,4,5) - there are these kind of overlaps, with medium amount, while also included full overlaps randomly 01:14:022 (5,1) - right after having partial overlaps 01:13:453 (2,4) -
01:27:883 (4,5,6) - here its fully overlapped, but the previous is partial overlaps 01:26:174 (3,4,5,6) -
And there are also tons of non overlap based patterns, which is kinda really chaotic, and I don't kinda understand whats going on, keep in mind its a short section and a short map, excess variety, isn't warranted, consistency really matters more imo. Previous sections didn't include much different patterning style, but here on the kiai it changes rapidly.
Slider shape usage also seems a bit too random, as I said, its short and consistency could really matter: 01:08:516 (1,2) - inversed, same shape.
01:10:225 (1,2) - almost the same shape, but you should really make em identical.
01:11:554 (1,2) - different shape
01:19:339 (1,2) - different shape, its way too chaotic. If you want some variety, include also red anchor sliders tbh, rather than really messing wtih these two shapes.
[Insane]
00:13:071 (4,5) - can you make them actually blanket each other lol http://i.imgur.com/etx1ddF.jpg its kinda crude as it is.
00:13:831 (1,2) - ^
00:16:109 (4,5) - same goes for all such patterns, minimal effort for big benefit tbh.
00:19:907 (2) - listen to the guitar, this should be a slider imo
00:22:944 (2) - strongest sound gets 0 emphasis
00:35:286 (1,2,3) - ugh excuse me, but shouldn't (3) really get bigger emphasis
01:18:008 (2,4) - blanket
01:20:666 (1,2,3) - scaling them a bit should work better, this doesn't fit the spaced visual distance in the section.
01:30:160 (1,2,3,4,5) - so this is a buildup but this isn't, please readjust this one: 00:23:324 (1,2,3,4,5) -
[Hard]
00:06:425 (1,2) - pls, this blanket
00:31:299 (2,3,4) - visual spacing
00:34:527 (3,4,5,1) - actually hard seems to have plenty of visual spacing inconsistencies, revisit and readjust please.
00:35:286 (1,2,3) - pretty sure its okay to make a 2 to 3 a jump, therefore, you don't need to sacrifice visuals for emphasis
00:35:856 (3,4) - please this blanekt
00:37:944 (3,1) - this is actually okay, since the big slider kinda feels connected to the previous pattern
00:45:919 (1,2,3) - hey this patterns actually aren't damaged like in insane diff
00:44:970 (3,4) - please, it doesn't look appealing
00:48:957 (1,2) - ugh what, sudden increase in visual distance, and seriously failed blanket attempt
01:20:286 (4,5,1,3) - failed to connect slider end with anything, and the placement on the C slider is just a mess. There are no blankets and connection to pattrns.
01:22:375 (1,2,3) - you know, you can make this as a staight slider to make sense http://i.imgur.com/NGmqOeU.jpg
[smokeman]
Hm this map aesthetics don't look appealing to me, probably subjective, as I disagree on some choices, I have no idea how to improve this style.
[Spark of light]
Generally, if you focus a bit you could make it much better looking with not much effort. Aesthetic issues are apparent in my eyes, and easily fixable. So, I adressed the issue in the last mod, you kinda dismissed it as a blanket mod. But if you saw, those things that I've pointed out were in like 5 seconds, meaning that the map isn't really polished. Its not really a minor issue if its present in most of the map.
00:46:487 (2,3,4,1) - lets say this pattern for example. If you notice, it has 3 visual errors http://i.imgur.com/DZn91kJ.jpg. The closet distances between objects is always different. This leads to untidy aesthetics. Everyone could agree that this look better http://i.imgur.com/t892Mbb.jpg.
00:48:006 (3,4,5,1) - the following pattern also has chaotic placement. http://i.imgur.com/Ajro8vx.jpg simple rotation, and you end up with much better looking pattern.
00:54:651 (4,1) - having slider end touching with slider head is poor looking.
01:12:310 (3,2,3,1) - mentioned this in previous mod, just look at that visual spacing inconsistency http://i.imgur.com/yKWmuIO.jpg
01:14:588 (1,2,3) - this pattern is kinda poorly done, the previous 3 slider pattern always made some kind of a triangle, like a firework, which I thought would be kinda the theme of the patterning. Here it is done completely randomly, without any connection, and failed visual spacings.
01:18:385 (1,3) - being this close breaks the overall spaced structure connections, it sticks out too much. Stakcign and moving these two here http://i.imgur.com/eJqJelk.jpg would be wonderful 01:19:145 (3) - 01:20:474 (3) -
Overally, there are also a few more parts where visual distance is lacking, and taking a look at the map by yourself regarding this issue would surely cause improvement.
[N a s y a 's i n s a n e]
00:14:592 - this is actually stronger and makes sense to be a slider to follow the guitar, as it seems, the white tick slider in its current state ends on a stronger beat 00:14:972 - which is another intense guitar hit.
00:20:478 (2,5) - just please, this placement is..
00:19:339 (3) - this is a strong note, yes, it has a loud guitar to it 00:20:858 (3) - so does this one. The later one is emphasized properly by being given a sharp and and biggest spacing, while the former is completely disregarded
00:22:946 (1,4) - Please, this overlap is really unappealing, its not even overlapped with similar amount of surface as previous overlaps: 00:22:567 (4,1) -
00:31:681 (3,1) - blanket
00:32:060 (1) - having a started like this, usually calls for stuff being based around it, however it is completely disregarded, and doesn't connect with further patterns in any way. Like look how 00:32:630 (2,3,4,5) - has about same visual spacing all around, but nothing connects in such a way to the C slider.
00:35:858 (3,5) - blanket
00:36:807 (1) - such important note gets no spacing emphasis 00:36:617 (5) - this kidna filler circle has even more spacing, no contrast is established.
00:47:250 (5,6) - can't you make em to be identical, having two slightly differnt curved sliders is chaotic
00:48:010 (1,3) - blanket
00:50:288 (1,4) - these two could also have identical slider shape, copy paste rotaion, you know the drill
In the map, there are a lot of mixed overalapping styles, sometimes its a full overlap, sometimes overlapped heavily, sometimes a bit less. Song lasts for one and a half minute, I don't think including this many structure ideas is necessary. 01:03:200 (3,4) - lets take this almost full overlap and then 01:05:858 (1,2,3) - full overlap style. Now that the kiai has started, 01:07:946 (3,4,5) - there are these kind of overlaps, with medium amount, while also included full overlaps randomly 01:14:022 (5,1) - right after having partial overlaps 01:13:453 (2,4) -
01:27:883 (4,5,6) - here its fully overlapped, but the previous is partial overlaps 01:26:174 (3,4,5,6) -
And there are also tons of non overlap based patterns, which is kinda really chaotic, and I don't kinda understand whats going on, keep in mind its a short section and a short map, excess variety, isn't warranted, consistency really matters more imo. Previous sections didn't include much different patterning style, but here on the kiai it changes rapidly.
Slider shape usage also seems a bit too random, as I said, its short and consistency could really matter: 01:08:516 (1,2) - inversed, same shape.
01:10:225 (1,2) - almost the same shape, but you should really make em identical.
01:11:554 (1,2) - different shape
01:19:339 (1,2) - different shape, its way too chaotic. If you want some variety, include also red anchor sliders tbh, rather than really messing wtih these two shapes.
[Insane]
00:13:071 (4,5) - can you make them actually blanket each other lol http://i.imgur.com/etx1ddF.jpg its kinda crude as it is.
00:13:831 (1,2) - ^
00:16:109 (4,5) - same goes for all such patterns, minimal effort for big benefit tbh.
00:19:907 (2) - listen to the guitar, this should be a slider imo
00:22:944 (2) - strongest sound gets 0 emphasis
00:35:286 (1,2,3) - ugh excuse me, but shouldn't (3) really get bigger emphasis
01:18:008 (2,4) - blanket
01:20:666 (1,2,3) - scaling them a bit should work better, this doesn't fit the spaced visual distance in the section.
01:30:160 (1,2,3,4,5) - so this is a buildup but this isn't, please readjust this one: 00:23:324 (1,2,3,4,5) -
[Hard]
00:06:425 (1,2) - pls, this blanket
00:31:299 (2,3,4) - visual spacing
00:34:527 (3,4,5,1) - actually hard seems to have plenty of visual spacing inconsistencies, revisit and readjust please.
00:35:286 (1,2,3) - pretty sure its okay to make a 2 to 3 a jump, therefore, you don't need to sacrifice visuals for emphasis
00:35:856 (3,4) - please this blanekt
00:37:944 (3,1) - this is actually okay, since the big slider kinda feels connected to the previous pattern
00:45:919 (1,2,3) - hey this patterns actually aren't damaged like in insane diff
00:44:970 (3,4) - please, it doesn't look appealing
00:48:957 (1,2) - ugh what, sudden increase in visual distance, and seriously failed blanket attempt
01:20:286 (4,5,1,3) - failed to connect slider end with anything, and the placement on the C slider is just a mess. There are no blankets and connection to pattrns.
01:22:375 (1,2,3) - you know, you can make this as a staight slider to make sense http://i.imgur.com/NGmqOeU.jpg
[smokeman]
Hm this map aesthetics don't look appealing to me, probably subjective, as I disagree on some choices, I have no idea how to improve this style.
DeletedUser_3638005
its not a subjective matter if the map looks really gross (not applying necessarily to your map).
this coming from the trash pp mapper himself is beyond ironicXexxar wrote:
All in all this is obviously the toxic pp mapping that I think players and mappers are most against, blatantly being ignorant of the song for the purpose of more 1----2 pp jumps. Please at least try to map to the song while pp mapping, thanks.
change this on Insane, has weird feel from previous one 00:23:324 (1,2,3,4,5)
Wow, it's not really subjective if its inconsistent with the maps structure tbh. I might as well as go and give no shit about aesthetics and say its subjective as an counterargument related to any structure/aesthetic criticism. w/e, also this mod included some, but rarely, emphasis issues and such, and n a s y a should imo really take a look at the mod. I'll post my other mod after naotoshi does I guess.Riven wrote:
No blanket/aesthetic mods please. I will take a look at whatever is not connected to aesthetics, since it's a subjective matter, thanks.
@VINXIS, I changed some parts for that whole section, mainly about rhythm. It should be better now.
The practice of PP mapping is to deliberately not follow the song in order to give it more reward (aka this map.) While (some) Xexxar maps do give a lot of PP, he does at least follow the song..hyouri wrote:
this coming from the trash pp mapper himself is beyond ironicXexxar wrote:
All in all this is obviously the toxic pp mapping that I think players and mappers are most against, blatantly being ignorant of the song for the purpose of more 1----2 pp jumps. Please at least try to map to the song while pp mapping, thanks.
change this on Insane, has weird feel from previous one 00:23:324 (1,2,3,4,5)
Are you unable / unwilling to come to an agreement with us regarding this? There are many experienced mappers and players that are wholesomely trying to explain to you why your patterns may not be the best interpretation possible here. Your goal is to capture the song yet you ignore the main melody and map to bland drums? Every song has these and they're not what makes this part special or the main instrument at play here. You could also lower the spacing on all red tick jumps to better reflect the fact that the white beat is stronger than the red tick beat in most cases.Riven wrote:
[Spark of Light]
- 00:19:335 (1,2,1,2) - the main melody changes here to 1/2 rhythm however nothing in your map reflects this change. Because you're mapping 1--2 jumps to the drumbeat, this sort of seems like an oversight as prioritizing calm drums like this when there is clearly more important sounds going off
- 00:18:575 (1,2,1,2) - also you should probably map these as sliders considering that you want to highlight the change in rhythm caused by 00:19:335 (1,2,1,2) - because then 00:20:094 (1,1,1,1) - is mapped to snares 00:20:283 (2,2,2,2) - and these are mapped to the melody
- 00:21:518 - have you thought about making this a triplet, to better reflect the song. I have already answered to all 3 points you made above, in Feb's mod, please refer to that if you're interested in my reply.
Like I said, what I am doing here is consistently following the rhythm of the drums, (literally they play the same rhythm for 5 seconds) and since there is no variation to them, there will be no variation to the jumps either, hence why they seem like stagnant 1-2s. To account for that, since the drums on (1)s are a bit more intense, when you are coming from (2), they always have higher distance spacing to compensate for that. This is how I interpreted the song the first time I heard it, it's not something I did to deliberately abuse pp. While it's true that in fact the nature of the jumps do that to a certain degree, it also goes without saying that it's the song that what allows for those jumps. I wouldn't randomly place 1-2 jumps where they don't fit. And for me they truly do seem like they fit. Some people have agreed with me on the intensity of the drums while others say that I should just map sliders. I personally think that it depends from person to person, and there is no 'right way' to map it.
Please consider these changes as I'm only trying to help you better capture what the song is trying to really highlight here. There are clearly many people who consider your interpretation as wrong besides me.
Well, I gotta agree with Xexxar, as far as I have FC on all mapsets from this song, actual interpretation and placement of 00:19:335 (1,2,1,2) - and so on is just wrong.
I can try to mod this map (and will not avoid this extremely repetitive pattern-less 1-2) unless Riven consider players mods as worthless then ¯\_(ツ)_/¯, will let it go without comment since it is not worth it.
This is how I interpreted the song the first time I heard it, it's not something I did to deliberately abuse pp. While it's true that in fact the nature of the jumps do that to a certain degree, it also goes without saying that it's the song that what allows for those jumps. I wouldn't randomly place 1-2 jumps where they don't fit. And for me they truly do seem like they fit. Some people have agreed with me on the intensity of the drums while others say that I should just map sliders. I personally think that it depends from person to person, and there is no 'right way' to map it.Isn't it better to go for mutual agreement towards controversial part and changing it? It is true that there are people who will love this map because it gives enormous amount of pp for how it is mapped but there are also people (mappers too with all respect) who doesn't want more typical "pp influencing maps". As this may fit the drums, going for front line instruments (piano, synthesizer) could only benefit the map in that case.
For me it is fine like now. GL in ranking it, gib some pepe so I can stay on 20k foreverRiven wrote:
Made a quite few changes to the 1-2 jump sections by adding sliders and significantly reducing the spacing, but this is as far as can go and do for my part for us to come to a mutual agreement.
DeletedUser_3638005
👍Riven wrote:
Made a quite few changes to the 1-2 jump sections by adding sliders and significantly reducing the spacing, but this is as far as can go and do for my part for us to come to a mutual agreement.
Okay, adding up a bit more to the discussion.
Also there's this inconsistency issue, with those being a buildup in insane, the previous similar sounding are star shaped without buildup: in insane: 00:23:324 (1,2,3,4,5) -
Also that star pattern also applies to 00:23:324 (1,2,3,4,5) - basically, if there's a change in music, so should the map complement that. This way this gets a buildup, which will be an unique asset to the map, differentiating it from other stuff, when it truly deserves that as the drums volume are building up.
I'm will insist and point out this, which xexxar in his previous mod did. This is the climax of the map, yes this jump right here. 01:29:780 (4) - mathematically it is 3.62x distanced from the previous note, while, this, is 01:29:400 (2) - 4.55x and its clearly visible, and felt from in gameplay. You should need to readjust the pattern a bit in order to give the note I linked the proper emphasis. I think most people can agree on this.
01:27:312 (2,3,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4) - adding a bit more to the discussion of these jumps. We previous talked about buildup not fitting here, and your argument was vocals getting more intense. That's a bit too farfetched, because the vocals in these jumps have variable rhythm and intensity. As for rhythm here we can hear them on 01:27:881 (2,3,4,1) - being on every 1/2 note, and 01:28:451 (1) - here it starts a long vocal, which doesn't affect the buildup in any way. The drums aren't getting louder, nor there is a pitch in the background. I find this to be a interpretation. To fix this if you agree, but I think we will further discuss, is to place these jumps 01:27:312 (2,3,1,2,3,4) - to have spacing like 01:27:691 (1,2) - . Alternatively you could also give emphasis to the 1/2 sounding vocals, as they're kinda the most noticable and intense, they're blended in and ignored kinda in this state. 01:28:451 (1,2,3,4,1,2) - for this jumps I suggest giving them all 01:28:831 (3,4) - this spacing. And of course giving the biggest emphasis to 01:29:780 (4) - , could go as far as 4.7x for this jump imo.
Basically, even after applying this, star rating will probably not be affected that much, but the map could be more fun and follow the song better IMO xd
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00:45:539 (4) - isn't this overemphasized, I don't see a reason to give this the biggest spacing, I suggest Ctrl+G plays well still, and will fit more.
01:07:944 (5) - I believe this should 2 circle to properly follow the vocals, that also happen on the red tick.
01:09:843 (5,1) - kinda (1) is given 0 emphasis when its a downbeat.
01:20:666 (1,2) - you suddenly started giving really noticeably majorly decreased spacing to the circle after slider, even if it contains vocals. 01:21:425 (1,2) - while here, this completely unimportant note has bigger spacing than this semi-intense vocal one: 01:21:046 (2) -
01:24:084 (2) - this other than having a vocal it also has this guitar sound on it, and possible kick, but I'm unsure. It still needs more spacing, I don't understand why did you give 0 spacing to those notes in this section.
01:30:158 (1,2,3,4,5) - Out of all these 5 notes, the only one that doesn't feel equal volume to the others is 01:30:158 - this. The rest sound like they have the same exact volume and that is why I decided to space them equally, and as you can see, you come into thisIn insane difficulty, I noticed that these jumps 01:30:160 (1,2,3,4,5) - are a buildup, therefore you kinda dug your own grave, by saying they sound about equal, you're basically forcing a different interpretation on this mapset in order to make simpler, but more spaced jumps.
Also there's this inconsistency issue, with those being a buildup in insane, the previous similar sounding are star shaped without buildup: in insane: 00:23:324 (1,2,3,4,5) -
Also that star pattern also applies to 00:23:324 (1,2,3,4,5) - basically, if there's a change in music, so should the map complement that. This way this gets a buildup, which will be an unique asset to the map, differentiating it from other stuff, when it truly deserves that as the drums volume are building up.
I'm will insist and point out this, which xexxar in his previous mod did. This is the climax of the map, yes this jump right here. 01:29:780 (4) - mathematically it is 3.62x distanced from the previous note, while, this, is 01:29:400 (2) - 4.55x and its clearly visible, and felt from in gameplay. You should need to readjust the pattern a bit in order to give the note I linked the proper emphasis. I think most people can agree on this.
01:27:312 (2,3,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4) - adding a bit more to the discussion of these jumps. We previous talked about buildup not fitting here, and your argument was vocals getting more intense. That's a bit too farfetched, because the vocals in these jumps have variable rhythm and intensity. As for rhythm here we can hear them on 01:27:881 (2,3,4,1) - being on every 1/2 note, and 01:28:451 (1) - here it starts a long vocal, which doesn't affect the buildup in any way. The drums aren't getting louder, nor there is a pitch in the background. I find this to be a interpretation. To fix this if you agree, but I think we will further discuss, is to place these jumps 01:27:312 (2,3,1,2,3,4) - to have spacing like 01:27:691 (1,2) - . Alternatively you could also give emphasis to the 1/2 sounding vocals, as they're kinda the most noticable and intense, they're blended in and ignored kinda in this state. 01:28:451 (1,2,3,4,1,2) - for this jumps I suggest giving them all 01:28:831 (3,4) - this spacing. And of course giving the biggest emphasis to 01:29:780 (4) - , could go as far as 4.7x for this jump imo.
Basically, even after applying this, star rating will probably not be affected that much, but the map could be more fun and follow the song better IMO xd
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00:45:539 (4) - isn't this overemphasized, I don't see a reason to give this the biggest spacing, I suggest Ctrl+G plays well still, and will fit more.
01:07:944 (5) - I believe this should 2 circle to properly follow the vocals, that also happen on the red tick.
01:09:843 (5,1) - kinda (1) is given 0 emphasis when its a downbeat.
01:20:666 (1,2) - you suddenly started giving really noticeably majorly decreased spacing to the circle after slider, even if it contains vocals. 01:21:425 (1,2) - while here, this completely unimportant note has bigger spacing than this semi-intense vocal one: 01:21:046 (2) -
01:24:084 (2) - this other than having a vocal it also has this guitar sound on it, and possible kick, but I'm unsure. It still needs more spacing, I don't understand why did you give 0 spacing to those notes in this section.
DeletedUser_3638005
MaridiuS
Okay, adding up a bit more to the discussion.
Also there's this inconsistency issue, with those being a buildup in insane, the previous similar sounding are star shaped without buildup: in insane: 00:23:324 (1,2,3,4,5) -
Also that star pattern also applies to 00:23:324 (1,2,3,4,5) - basically, if there's a change in music, so should the map complement that. This way this gets a buildup, which will be an unique asset to the map, differentiating it from other stuff, when it truly deserves that as the drums volume are building up.
I'm will insist and point out this, which xexxar in his previous mod did. This is the climax of the map, yes this jump right here. Who says that?
You?
01:29:780 (4) - mathematically it is 3.62x distanced from the previous note, while, this, is 01:29:400 (2) - 4.55x and its clearly visible, and felt from in gameplay. You should need to readjust the pattern a bit in order to give the note I linked the proper emphasis. I think most people can agree on this. Maths and distance spacing isn't the only thing that matters in mapping to emphasize on something correctly. I have already said this before, but apparently you haven't read my previous replies to other mods. The change of angle is what makes up the 'lesser spacing'.
01:27:312 (2,3,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4) - adding a bit more to the discussion of these jumps. We previous talked about buildup not fitting here, and your argument was vocals getting more intense. That's a bit too farfetched, because the vocals in these jumps have variable rhythm and intensity. As for rhythm here we can hear them on 01:27:881 (2,3,4,1) - being on every 1/2 note, and 01:28:451 (1) - here it starts a long vocal, which doesn't affect the buildup in any way. Just because there aren't vocals on every 1/2 beat it doesn't mean that it's not getting more intense. Similar to 01:17:628 - this, where there are no vocals on every 1/2 beat, you can clearly tell it's the climax of the first kiai. It's the continuous drawn out vocal that makes it more and more intense. I have ALREADY reduced the spacing of those jumps, and I really hope that that you are looking at the latest pending version. The drums aren't getting louder, nor there is a pitch in the background. I find this to be a interpretation. To fix this if you agree, but I think we will further discuss, is to place these jumps 01:27:312 (2,3,1,2,3,4) - to have spacing like 01:27:691 (1,2) - . Alternatively you could also give emphasis to the 1/2 sounding vocals, as they're kinda the most noticable and intense, they're blended in and ignored kinda in this state. 01:28:451 (1,2,3,4,1,2) - for this jumps I suggest giving them all 01:28:831 (3,4) - this spacing. And of course giving the biggest emphasis to 01:29:780 (4) - , could go as far as 4.7x for this jump imo. Disregarding this whole explaining of what spacing my jumps should have, as I gave you my reasoning above.
Basically, even after applying this, star rating will probably not be affected that much, but the map could be more fun and follow the song better IMO xd
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00:45:539 (4) - isn't this overemphasized, I don't see a reason to give this the biggest spacing, I suggest Ctrl+G plays well still, and will fit more. No one follows this slider to the end, think of it as 3/4 or a bit less of it's current length, so no I don't think it's too much. [/color]
01:07:944 (5) - I believe this should 2 circle to properly follow the vocals, that also happen on the red tick. No.
01:09:843 (5,1) - kinda (1) is given 0 emphasis when its a downbeat.
01:20:666 (1,2) - you suddenly started giving really noticeably majorly decreased spacing to the circle after slider, even if it contains vocals. 01:21:425 (1,2) - while here, this completely unimportant note has bigger spacing than this semi-intense vocal one: 01:21:046 (2) -
01:24:084 (2) - this other than having a vocal it also has this guitar sound on it, and possible kick, but I'm unsure. It still needs more spacing, I don't understand why did you give 0 spacing to those notes in this section. 01:24:274 - This strong ass white beat is what I want to focus here, not the almost inaudible kick on the red tick.
01:30:158 (1,2,3,4,5) - Out of all these 5 notes, the only one that doesn't feel equal volume to the others is 01:30:158 - this. The rest sound like they have the same exact volume and that is why I decided to space them equally, and as you can see, you come into thisIn insane difficulty, I noticed that these jumps 01:30:160 (1,2,3,4,5) - are a buildup, therefore you kinda dug your own grave, by saying they sound about equal, you're basically forcing a different interpretation on this mapset in order to make simpler, but more spaced jumps. I still stand by my point and hear them as equal sounds, so don't tell me I dug my own grave, and don't go making assumptions that I used that spacing on Spark of Light just to make 'simpler and more spaced jumps'. The spacing on Insane has been adjusted accordingly.
Also there's this inconsistency issue, with those being a buildup in insane, the previous similar sounding are star shaped without buildup: in insane: 00:23:324 (1,2,3,4,5) -
Also that star pattern also applies to 00:23:324 (1,2,3,4,5) - basically, if there's a change in music, so should the map complement that. This way this gets a buildup, which will be an unique asset to the map, differentiating it from other stuff, when it truly deserves that as the drums volume are building up.
I'm will insist and point out this, which xexxar in his previous mod did. This is the climax of the map, yes this jump right here. Who says that?
You?
01:29:780 (4) - mathematically it is 3.62x distanced from the previous note, while, this, is 01:29:400 (2) - 4.55x and its clearly visible, and felt from in gameplay. You should need to readjust the pattern a bit in order to give the note I linked the proper emphasis. I think most people can agree on this. Maths and distance spacing isn't the only thing that matters in mapping to emphasize on something correctly. I have already said this before, but apparently you haven't read my previous replies to other mods. The change of angle is what makes up the 'lesser spacing'.
01:27:312 (2,3,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4) - adding a bit more to the discussion of these jumps. We previous talked about buildup not fitting here, and your argument was vocals getting more intense. That's a bit too farfetched, because the vocals in these jumps have variable rhythm and intensity. As for rhythm here we can hear them on 01:27:881 (2,3,4,1) - being on every 1/2 note, and 01:28:451 (1) - here it starts a long vocal, which doesn't affect the buildup in any way. Just because there aren't vocals on every 1/2 beat it doesn't mean that it's not getting more intense. Similar to 01:17:628 - this, where there are no vocals on every 1/2 beat, you can clearly tell it's the climax of the first kiai. It's the continuous drawn out vocal that makes it more and more intense. I have ALREADY reduced the spacing of those jumps, and I really hope that that you are looking at the latest pending version. The drums aren't getting louder, nor there is a pitch in the background. I find this to be a interpretation. To fix this if you agree, but I think we will further discuss, is to place these jumps 01:27:312 (2,3,1,2,3,4) - to have spacing like 01:27:691 (1,2) - . Alternatively you could also give emphasis to the 1/2 sounding vocals, as they're kinda the most noticable and intense, they're blended in and ignored kinda in this state. 01:28:451 (1,2,3,4,1,2) - for this jumps I suggest giving them all 01:28:831 (3,4) - this spacing. And of course giving the biggest emphasis to 01:29:780 (4) - , could go as far as 4.7x for this jump imo. Disregarding this whole explaining of what spacing my jumps should have, as I gave you my reasoning above.
Basically, even after applying this, star rating will probably not be affected that much, but the map could be more fun and follow the song better IMO xd
edited in more stuff:
00:45:539 (4) - isn't this overemphasized, I don't see a reason to give this the biggest spacing, I suggest Ctrl+G plays well still, and will fit more. No one follows this slider to the end, think of it as 3/4 or a bit less of it's current length, so no I don't think it's too much. [/color]
01:07:944 (5) - I believe this should 2 circle to properly follow the vocals, that also happen on the red tick. No.
01:09:843 (5,1) - kinda (1) is given 0 emphasis when its a downbeat.
01:20:666 (1,2) - you suddenly started giving really noticeably majorly decreased spacing to the circle after slider, even if it contains vocals. 01:21:425 (1,2) - while here, this completely unimportant note has bigger spacing than this semi-intense vocal one: 01:21:046 (2) -
01:24:084 (2) - this other than having a vocal it also has this guitar sound on it, and possible kick, but I'm unsure. It still needs more spacing, I don't understand why did you give 0 spacing to those notes in this section. 01:24:274 - This strong ass white beat is what I want to focus here, not the almost inaudible kick on the red tick.
Riven wrote:
MaridiuSI'm will insist and point out this, which xexxar in his previous mod did. This is the climax of the map, yes this jump right here. Who says that?
You? It has the strongest guitar hit, finish, and vocals all in one note, so yea, nothing can compare to that
01:29:780 (4) - mathematically it is 3.62x distanced from the previous note, while, this, is 01:29:400 (2) - 4.55x and its clearly visible, and felt from in gameplay. You should need to readjust the pattern a bit in order to give the note I linked the proper emphasis. I think most people can agree on this. Maths and distance spacing isn't the only thing that matters in mapping to emphasize on something correctly. I have already said this before, but apparently you haven't read my previous replies to other mods. The change of angle is what makes up the 'lesser spacing'. change of angle is a valid argument, but you see, even if it changes, it doesn't add much to the difficulty because it changes in a comfortable way out of the previous pattern. If you for example ctrl+g the slider which I pointed out, it will be more difficult to compensate for its lower spacing.
01:24:084 (2) - this other than having a vocal it also has this guitar sound on it, and possible kick, but I'm unsure. It still needs more spacing, I don't understand why did you give 0 spacing to those notes in this section. 01:24:274 - This strong ass white beat is what I want to focus here, not the almost inaudible kick on the red tick. its placing after a slider is still inconsistent with the section tbh, it's the only circle located right after slider end in the kiai sections
well it's much more acceptable now. anyway i said i'd mod so here we go
good luck!
[spark of light]
00:11:552 (3) - this feels like it would be better as a 1/2 slider + circle rhythm to switch off the strings onto the drums
00:21:046 (2,3,1) - this felt a bit weird cuz you're generally putting jumps on the strings. wouldnt a rhythm like http://puu.sh/x442q/b89cc99552.jpg fit a bit better?
00:30:160 (1,2) - this is really minor but not having these stacked on the previous 2 notes looked weird af to me lol
00:37:375 (3,4) -
01:17:818 (1,2,3) - this is following a different instrument from 01:17:248 (3,4,5) - but it's in the exact same cursor movement, which is a clockwise circle. making it a different cursor movement would be better to differentiate it from the previous pattern, since it's a different instrument
01:26:172 - i know you already nerfed the pp part but the rhythm here seems a bit weird. 01:25:413 (1,2) - are following the violin chord things, 01:26:172 (1,2,3,4) - break out of that presumably because of vocals, but then 01:26:932 (1) - follows another strong piano chord? thing and then it just devolves into 1-2 spam following the drums and ignoring everything else. there are a bunch of more intricate and interesting things like piano chords at 01:27:501 - 01:28:071 - 01:28:451 (1) - etc or just actual vocal emphasis. if you want to ignore all that for 1-2 jumps then i'd suggest at least differentiating 01:27:312 (2,3,1) - and 01:27:881 (2,3,4) - since the vocals are very clearly different.
01:29:400 (2,3,4) - same here. different direction motion would be cool since atm it's just another back adn forth motion even though the vocals changed.
side note: i feel like just putting a spinner over the end is kinda lame cuz it's still perfectly mappable and stuff and there's a more obvious fadeout to use for an ending spinner
[nasya]
00:14:780 (4,5) - these are weird cuz you followed the piano eaarlier but here its on slider ends
[insane]
00:06:046 - feels like you could at least put a circle here lol
01:05:476 (2,1) - this is kinda easy to misread as a 1/2 (since the precursor is just 1-2 back and forths with similar spacing) maybe stack 1 instead?
[hard]
00:52:944 (2,3) - ctrl g sounds kinda better to me? i guess.
00:53:514 (1,2) - personally to me this felt really weird. cuz the long slider is on a piano note, it makes sense to put a click at 00:54:084 - and 00:54:463 - as well. so shortening the previous slider and moving 00:54:274 (2) up a bit - basically
[smokeman]
this is all subjective aesthetic stuff. but a lot of your sliders totally don't look cohesive in the patterns. stuff like
00:10:793 (1,3) - could totally just be the same slider, 00:13:071 (2,4) - etc.
also i feel personally that the map would look a ton better if you made the follow points lead into the slider path. for example: http://puu.sh/x44UG/97a4f78082.jpg at 00:13:071 (2,3,4) -
00:19:337 (3) - extra clap on tail? it sounds kinda weird cuz it isnt clickable
00:29:210 (2) - i already stated my thoughts on these but basically i think having this big spacing is kinda weird for noobs cuz they wont move their cursor until the circle pops up and then itll be a sudden large jump. dunno
01:12:312 (6,7) - switching layers like this seems a bit weird too. why not just hold out on the vocal?
01:26:552 (4,1,2) - wouldnt ctrl g on this rhythm make more sense?
00:11:552 (3) - this feels like it would be better as a 1/2 slider + circle rhythm to switch off the strings onto the drums
00:21:046 (2,3,1) - this felt a bit weird cuz you're generally putting jumps on the strings. wouldnt a rhythm like http://puu.sh/x442q/b89cc99552.jpg fit a bit better?
00:30:160 (1,2) - this is really minor but not having these stacked on the previous 2 notes looked weird af to me lol
00:37:375 (3,4) -
01:17:818 (1,2,3) - this is following a different instrument from 01:17:248 (3,4,5) - but it's in the exact same cursor movement, which is a clockwise circle. making it a different cursor movement would be better to differentiate it from the previous pattern, since it's a different instrument
01:26:172 - i know you already nerfed the pp part but the rhythm here seems a bit weird. 01:25:413 (1,2) - are following the violin chord things, 01:26:172 (1,2,3,4) - break out of that presumably because of vocals, but then 01:26:932 (1) - follows another strong piano chord? thing and then it just devolves into 1-2 spam following the drums and ignoring everything else. there are a bunch of more intricate and interesting things like piano chords at 01:27:501 - 01:28:071 - 01:28:451 (1) - etc or just actual vocal emphasis. if you want to ignore all that for 1-2 jumps then i'd suggest at least differentiating 01:27:312 (2,3,1) - and 01:27:881 (2,3,4) - since the vocals are very clearly different.
01:29:400 (2,3,4) - same here. different direction motion would be cool since atm it's just another back adn forth motion even though the vocals changed.
side note: i feel like just putting a spinner over the end is kinda lame cuz it's still perfectly mappable and stuff and there's a more obvious fadeout to use for an ending spinner
[nasya]
00:14:780 (4,5) - these are weird cuz you followed the piano eaarlier but here its on slider ends
[insane]
00:06:046 - feels like you could at least put a circle here lol
01:05:476 (2,1) - this is kinda easy to misread as a 1/2 (since the precursor is just 1-2 back and forths with similar spacing) maybe stack 1 instead?
[hard]
00:52:944 (2,3) - ctrl g sounds kinda better to me? i guess.
00:53:514 (1,2) - personally to me this felt really weird. cuz the long slider is on a piano note, it makes sense to put a click at 00:54:084 - and 00:54:463 - as well. so shortening the previous slider and moving 00:54:274 (2) up a bit - basically
[smokeman]
this is all subjective aesthetic stuff. but a lot of your sliders totally don't look cohesive in the patterns. stuff like
00:10:793 (1,3) - could totally just be the same slider, 00:13:071 (2,4) - etc.
also i feel personally that the map would look a ton better if you made the follow points lead into the slider path. for example: http://puu.sh/x44UG/97a4f78082.jpg at 00:13:071 (2,3,4) -
00:19:337 (3) - extra clap on tail? it sounds kinda weird cuz it isnt clickable
00:29:210 (2) - i already stated my thoughts on these but basically i think having this big spacing is kinda weird for noobs cuz they wont move their cursor until the circle pops up and then itll be a sudden large jump. dunno
01:12:312 (6,7) - switching layers like this seems a bit weird too. why not just hold out on the vocal?
01:26:552 (4,1,2) - wouldnt ctrl g on this rhythm make more sense?
good luck!
People questioning the 1-2 pattern made my day. So you started the meta, ranked your maps with 1-2 jump pattern and only now it's bad and it should be stopped? LMAO
If only something were to be mentioned in the old top diff is that this 01:26:170 (1) - / 01:26:930 (1) - /01:27:689 (1) - required the same emphasis in placement, similar to what was done here 01:28:449 (1) - and here 01:29:778 (2) - to make it kiai wise consistent. The current sliders 01:25:413 (1,2) -/01:26:932 (1) - and smaller jumps 01:26:172 (1,2,3,4) - are just excuse to lower the pp given by the map. It's really disgusting seeing a person who literally exploited this 1-2 patterning heavily abusing spacing for the sake of pp saying that the old "Kalokairina Pyrotechnimata" diff "didn't represent the song" when all the meta ranked in the past years does the exact same thing on consecutive 1/2 snare+kicks every time and some mappers even fully ignore other factors and still get ranked.
You guys just picked someone who's exploiting that even further and are not allowing him to rank his map.
If only something were to be mentioned in the old top diff is that this 01:26:170 (1) - / 01:26:930 (1) - /01:27:689 (1) - required the same emphasis in placement, similar to what was done here 01:28:449 (1) - and here 01:29:778 (2) - to make it kiai wise consistent. The current sliders 01:25:413 (1,2) -/01:26:932 (1) - and smaller jumps 01:26:172 (1,2,3,4) - are just excuse to lower the pp given by the map. It's really disgusting seeing a person who literally exploited this 1-2 patterning heavily abusing spacing for the sake of pp saying that the old "Kalokairina Pyrotechnimata" diff "didn't represent the song" when all the meta ranked in the past years does the exact same thing on consecutive 1/2 snare+kicks every time and some mappers even fully ignore other factors and still get ranked.
You guys just picked someone who's exploiting that even further and are not allowing him to rank his map.
I'm sorry, what? Did you even read the mods from at least me or Xexxar? (didn't read maridius mod because its ass long lol)Net0 wrote:
People questioning the 1-2 pattern made my day. So you started the meta, ranked your maps with 1-2 jump pattern and only now it's bad and it should be stopped? LMAO
If only something were to be mentioned in the old top diff is that this 01:26:170 (1) - / 01:26:930 (1) - /01:27:689 (1) - required the same emphasis in placement, similar to what was done here 01:28:449 (1) - and here 01:29:778 (2) - to make it kiai wise consistent. The current sliders 01:25:413 (1,2) -/01:26:932 (1) - and smaller jumps 01:26:172 (1,2,3,4) - are just excuse to lower the pp given by the map. It's really disgusting seeing a person who literally exploited this 1-2 patterning heavily abusing spacing for the sake of pp saying that the old "Kalokairina Pyrotechnimata" diff "didn't represent the song" when all the meta ranked in the past years does the exact same thing on consecutive 1/2 snare+kicks every time and some mappers even fully ignore other factors and still get ranked.
You guys just picked someone who's exploiting that even further and are not allowing him to rank his map.
Neither of us were talking about how bad 1-2 jumps are in general and neither of us were introducing them into the mapping scene since they already existed before we even started mapping. They just do not fit with THIS song in most of the map.
Nobody cares about other songs here, it's about this song not others.
What happened in the past has nothing to do with this map, when the ranking criteria was different and community involvement didn't even exist. Usually I don't even mod qualified sets, but the map got linked to me and I didn't agree with the maps concept, so I do have the right to veto it.
btw incest bg
DeletedUser_3638005
Naotoshi
well it's much more acceptable now. anyway i said i'd mod so here we go
[notice][spark of light]
00:11:552 (3) - this feels like it would be better as a 1/2 slider + circle rhythm to switch off the strings onto the drums I'll keep this as it is for two reasons. First, the string sound ends here 00:11:932 - so it would be weird to end the slider on that white tick while the string still continues to play until 00:11:932 - here. And second is that I'd rather keep the rhythm simple at this section and make it more intense 00:12:501 - here and onwards. 00:10:793 (1) - You could say the same about this slider.
00:21:046 (2,3,1) - this felt a bit weird cuz you're generally putting jumps on the strings. wouldnt a rhythm like http://puu.sh/x442q/b89cc99552.jpg fit a bit better? Similar to this 00:19:906 - when I added the sliders it was on the red ticks, however it didn't sound or feel right to me how the sliderends where on those strong sounding white ticks, so in the end I decided to go do that instead. As for the note on the blue tick, in a previous mod I said that I don't hear anything on that beat, and that it is overmapped, and for such a controversial map where people are nitpicking everything, it could even be a reason for disqualification again.
00:30:160 (1,2) - this is really minor but not having these stacked on the previous 2 notes looked weird af to me lol
00:37:375 (3,4) - I can't make sense of this Lol
01:17:818 (1,2,3) - this is following a different instrument from 01:17:248 (3,4,5) - but it's in the exact same cursor movement, which is a clockwise circle. making it a different cursor movement would be better to differentiate it from the previous pattern, since it's a different instrument Personally, it doesn't feel like I've been following an instrument and then a completely different one appears which forces me to change the movement. But instead, think of it as an added instrument to the current previous section, so movement stays the same, but higher spacing.
01:26:172 - i know you already nerfed the pp part but the rhythm here seems a bit weird. 01:25:413 (1,2) - are following the violin chord things, 01:26:172 (1,2,3,4) - break out of that presumably because of vocals, but then 01:26:932 (1) - follows another strong piano chord? thing and then it just devolves into 1-2 spam following the drums and ignoring everything else. there are a bunch of more intricate and interesting things like piano chords at 01:27:501 - 01:28:071 - 01:28:451 (1) - etc or just actual vocal emphasis. From here 01:27:312 - till 01:29:590 - here, the only place where I would put a slider is 01:27:501 - this beat. But I don't want the sliderend to be on that strong sounding white beat so I decided to avoid that.
if you want to ignore all that for 1-2 jumps then i'd suggest at least differentiating 01:27:312 (2,3,1) - and 01:27:881 (2,3,4) - since the vocals are very clearly different. I want to signal the differences by changing jumps at every measure instead of changing their movement inside the measure. So basically 01:28:451 - this and 01:29:780 - this.
01:29:400 (2,3,4) - same here. different direction motion would be cool since atm it's just another back adn forth motion even though the vocals changed.
side note: i feel like just putting a spinner over the end is kinda lame cuz it's still perfectly mappable and stuff and there's a more obvious fadeout to use for an ending spinner
[insane]
00:06:046 - feels like you could at least put a circle here lol Personally I don't think it's a clear enough sound to support a circle, only a slider would fit there. But I'd rather keep the rhythm simpler than the last difficulty and just focus on the piano notes only instead.
01:05:476 (2,1) - this is kinda easy to misread as a 1/2 (since the precursor is just 1-2 back and forths with similar spacing) maybe stack 1 instead? Moved it up a bit more.
good luck!
[notice][spark of light]
00:11:552 (3) - this feels like it would be better as a 1/2 slider + circle rhythm to switch off the strings onto the drums I'll keep this as it is for two reasons. First, the string sound ends here 00:11:932 - so it would be weird to end the slider on that white tick while the string still continues to play until 00:11:932 - here. And second is that I'd rather keep the rhythm simple at this section and make it more intense 00:12:501 - here and onwards. 00:10:793 (1) - You could say the same about this slider.
00:21:046 (2,3,1) - this felt a bit weird cuz you're generally putting jumps on the strings. wouldnt a rhythm like http://puu.sh/x442q/b89cc99552.jpg fit a bit better? Similar to this 00:19:906 - when I added the sliders it was on the red ticks, however it didn't sound or feel right to me how the sliderends where on those strong sounding white ticks, so in the end I decided to go do that instead. As for the note on the blue tick, in a previous mod I said that I don't hear anything on that beat, and that it is overmapped, and for such a controversial map where people are nitpicking everything, it could even be a reason for disqualification again.
00:30:160 (1,2) - this is really minor but not having these stacked on the previous 2 notes looked weird af to me lol
00:37:375 (3,4) - I can't make sense of this Lol
01:17:818 (1,2,3) - this is following a different instrument from 01:17:248 (3,4,5) - but it's in the exact same cursor movement, which is a clockwise circle. making it a different cursor movement would be better to differentiate it from the previous pattern, since it's a different instrument Personally, it doesn't feel like I've been following an instrument and then a completely different one appears which forces me to change the movement. But instead, think of it as an added instrument to the current previous section, so movement stays the same, but higher spacing.
01:26:172 - i know you already nerfed the pp part but the rhythm here seems a bit weird. 01:25:413 (1,2) - are following the violin chord things, 01:26:172 (1,2,3,4) - break out of that presumably because of vocals, but then 01:26:932 (1) - follows another strong piano chord? thing and then it just devolves into 1-2 spam following the drums and ignoring everything else. there are a bunch of more intricate and interesting things like piano chords at 01:27:501 - 01:28:071 - 01:28:451 (1) - etc or just actual vocal emphasis. From here 01:27:312 - till 01:29:590 - here, the only place where I would put a slider is 01:27:501 - this beat. But I don't want the sliderend to be on that strong sounding white beat so I decided to avoid that.
if you want to ignore all that for 1-2 jumps then i'd suggest at least differentiating 01:27:312 (2,3,1) - and 01:27:881 (2,3,4) - since the vocals are very clearly different. I want to signal the differences by changing jumps at every measure instead of changing their movement inside the measure. So basically 01:28:451 - this and 01:29:780 - this.
01:29:400 (2,3,4) - same here. different direction motion would be cool since atm it's just another back adn forth motion even though the vocals changed.
side note: i feel like just putting a spinner over the end is kinda lame cuz it's still perfectly mappable and stuff and there's a more obvious fadeout to use for an ending spinner
[insane]
00:06:046 - feels like you could at least put a circle here lol Personally I don't think it's a clear enough sound to support a circle, only a slider would fit there. But I'd rather keep the rhythm simpler than the last difficulty and just focus on the piano notes only instead.
01:05:476 (2,1) - this is kinda easy to misread as a 1/2 (since the precursor is just 1-2 back and forths with similar spacing) maybe stack 1 instead? Moved it up a bit more.
good luck!
People questioning the 1-2 pattern made my day. So you started the meta, ranked your maps with 1-2 jump pattern and only now it's bad and it should be stopped? LMAOThis jumps doesn't fit this song since drums are not an lead instrument which should be empathized first.
If every mapper choice to empathize drums, GREAT MAJORITY of songs can be mapped from 0:00 to X:XX 100% 1-2 jumps because "they fit drums".
seems good, bubbled because I have the right to bubble it
Firework aestheticsMaridiuS wrote:
[smokeman]
Hm this map aesthetics don't look appealing to me, probably subjective, as I disagree on some choices, I have no idea how to improve this style. lol ok. You could mention those "choices" you dont agree with rather than just leave a pointless comment, no? But it's up to you to decide if its worth adressing (if you were going to suggest fixing blankets or some shit of that caliber you better gtfo tbh lul)
Naotoshi wrote:
[smokeman]
this is all subjective aesthetic stuff. but a lot of your sliders totally don't look cohesive in the patterns. stuff like
00:10:793 (1,3) - could totally just be the same slider, 00:13:071 (2,4) - etc. Yeah, i didnt really think about doing them the same. In the example you provided I'd say they are quite different cause 00:10:793 - is still before the intense part 00:12:501 - . 00:10:793 (1) - This is less sharp of a curve than 00:11:552 (3) - cause of the difference in pitch. Although this is true to some extend for 00:13:071 (2,4) - , it is less noticeable so i went for the reverse so i can "unpack" the pattern of 00:10:793 (1,2,3,4) - into what I've done.
also i feel personally that the map would look a ton better if you made the follow points lead into the slider path. for example: http://puu.sh/x44UG/97a4f78082.jpg at 00:13:071 (2,3,4) - i deliberatly hide follow points so i can do this shit :> https://puu.sh/x5BAX/e98b1706b6.png . Even if i fixed it for 00:13:641 (3,4) - i would break it for 00:13:831 (4,5,6) - ._.
00:19:337 (3) - extra clap on tail? it sounds kinda weird cuz it isnt clickable ye, clap shoudl be on the head and whistle on the tail :thinking:
00:29:210 (2) - i already stated my thoughts on these but basically i think having this big spacing is kinda weird for noobs cuz they wont move their cursor until the circle pops up and then itll be a sudden large jump. dunno I though you were talking about shit like 00:53:514 (3,1) - . I think the example you posted it passable because of the follow-points. 00:27:691 (1) - This shouldnt be NC since its still part of 00:27:122 (3) - but i went with breaking that so i have the follow-points between 00:27:691 (1,2,3) - https://puu.sh/x5BMd/92fcaddeec.png (godbless the bg is this dark so its noticable, the one he used before this was even better suited cause low lvl players usually play with <100% dim). Fixed the others doe
01:12:312 (6,7) - switching layers like this seems a bit weird too. why not just hold out on the vocal? I see what you getting at. I guess i saw the piano as a chance to put some variety cause else i would have the same rythm ~4 times in a row .-.
01:26:552 (4,1,2) - wouldnt ctrl g on this rhythm make more sense? yes it does make sense, but having the claps on the tails for 2 1/2 sliders is super wierd somehow D: (which is prolly why i didnt do it in the first place).
i fixed some ugly stuff here and there
VINXIS wrote:
btw incest bg YES PLEASE FIX !!!"!1"!21!1"!!1!
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should be all mentions.
Tbh riven's map improoved a hell lot since the last time i checked lol.
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DeletedUser_3638005
when I re-dl'd it the sr happened to decrease by around 0.3 wtf lol
why did you change the bg though
why did you change the bg though
I still think the map is overdone but atleast the rhythm has improved a bit?
Disappointed that this is still the type of content that BN members are willing to push towards rank but /shrug what do you expect.
Disappointed that this is still the type of content that BN members are willing to push towards rank but /shrug what do you expect.
DeletedUser_3638005
It's not very different from what you are mapping, so I'm also disappointed in what you have to say about it like you are some kind of superior. Don't judge BNs' decisions on what they want to push forward, because the same could be said about your own maps. Is that really the type of content they are willing to push towards rank?
And what kind of vague comment on the map is that? Have we come to a mutual agreement or not? It's like you're saying that you are kinda fine with it, but at the same time, at any point you could veto because you say it's overdone.
And what kind of vague comment on the map is that? Have we come to a mutual agreement or not? It's like you're saying that you are kinda fine with it, but at the same time, at any point you could veto because you say it's overdone.
lmfao xexxar please... Anyone but you has the right to say that.
If players are so against "these types of maps" as you say, then why are there over 250k plays on CBCC? Checkmate my friend, better luck next round!
ahh please leave the shitposting to reddit
[spark of light]
[spark of light]
- decimal od does mostly nothing, use 9?
- 00:06:046 (3) - i think sliderslide should be hitsounded in some way, maybe the sliderslide sample from https://osu.ppy.sh/b/147375 fits as a sliderwhistle here?
- 00:12:501 - that you drop whistles completely here onwards kinda ruins the mood in my opinion, the song features piano throughout so i think you should hitsound those more? you even feature them as your prominent layer of mapping
- 01:06:615 (1) - ever tried ending this in 01:06:900 - ? seems more accurate with the guitar
- 01:07:944 (5) - 01:10:982 (5,6) - should either be both sliders or both circles according to what you wanted to do
- 01:10:223 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7) - also this didnt really feel energetic at all given that even 01:07:185 (1,2,3,4,5,6) - as a whole is bigger
- 01:25:413 (1,2,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3) - by making most of this just circles and only a few sliders you lose all the focus you've put on vocals being the core of this song before in any part, here's a list of opportunities you use to follow drums
- 01:27:881 (2,3,4) - 3 very distinct vocals
- 01:26:172 (1,2,3,4) - after this being all on vocals, doing 01:26:932 (1) - and ending it on avocal just seems odd
- 01:29:400 (2,3) - these two stand out exactly in no way compared to the rest 01:29:780 (4) - does that well by being a completely different type of object, but with this many circles going on it all seems the same.
- 01:30:160 (1,2,3,4,5) - this star pattern would stand out way more if the things preceeding it were different from it
- 01:12:312 (3,4,5) - this somehow doesnt align with how you handle movement, mostly because the arrangement of 3 and 4 implies it's a direction that the player is expected to follow but out of line with what they expect to follow to, most other instances like 01:09:274 (3,4,5) - are clearly doing a back forth or other defined shapes while this is doing a "idunnoitlooksnice"
- 01:22:944 (4) - i think end should be circle for vocals
- 01:31:109 (1,2) - dunno how feasible but circles??
- ar 6 fits your sv and density better, e.g. it makes 00:02:818 (5,1) - rhythm gaps actually readable in a straightforward manner - if you do this adjust other setting accordingly
- 00:09:463 (1,2,3) - as youre making a diff for mostly beginners doing placements like these should be avoided, the player at this level struggles with interpreting order for some reason so having an arragement of two circles that could be read either way and be "ok this makes sense" is prone to confuse people. This is mainly because you keep sliderend to circle distances in some cases visually constant so that order of objects isnt too clear sometimes
- 00:18:577 (1,2,3) - you start this off by following drums, so by 00:21:046 (4) - people expect you to follow drums
- 00:32:818 (3,4) - for stuff like these variations that dont exactly involve two 1/2 sliders for 1/1 sounds in succession could be cool, stuff like that includes rhythms like http://i.imgur.com/kBBFraG.png
- 00:39:274 (7) - if you decide against the above, at leat point this somewhere where upwards so that a dropoff to the next circle is created, i think with the movement you got going on that works better
- 00:47:438 (5,6) - seems forced, how about 1/1 slider
- 00:48:957 (1,2,3,4,5,6) - that this place is musically different in a lot of ways is not visible in any ways, mostly rhythm
- 01:10:793 (2,4) - looks oddly misplaced since you dont use stacking at all in this diff, so you're essentially introducing a new concept right before the end - you stack two things in the intro and that's it from there onwards (i think you should use stacks more because then you can have the player not move on every note)
- 01:30:160 (1,2,3,4) - even with your general "i dont like organized patternz lul" mindset this is just kind of a mess
by that logic you should have no ranked maps.Xexxar wrote:
Disappointed that this is still the type of content that BN members are willing to push towards rank but /shrug what do you expect.
Okorin wrote:
ahh please leave the shitposting to reddit THIS IS A MEME FREE ZONE NOW
[smokeman]
- ar 6 fits your sv and density better, e.g. it makes 00:02:818 (5,1) - rhythm gaps actually readable in a straightforward manner - if you do this adjust other setting accordingly yea
- 00:09:463 (1,2,3) - as youre making a diff for mostly beginners doing placements like these should be avoided, the player at this level struggles with interpreting order for some reason so having an arragement of two circles that could be read either way and be "ok this makes sense" is prone to confuse people. This is mainly because you keep sliderend to circle distances in some cases visually constant so that order of objects isnt too clear sometimes I knew it was wierd back when i mapped it. Good thing someone finally points it out
- 00:18:577 (1,2,3) - you start this off by following drums, so by 00:21:046 (4) - people expect you to follow drums Infact i only follow drums this intensly on these first 3 sliders. I proceed to follow the longer piano notes to make it less dense (so the last section of the song can stand out with tons of 1/2 sliders)
- 00:32:818 (3,4) - for stuff like these variations that dont exactly involve two 1/2 sliders for 1/1 sounds in succession could be cool, stuff like that includes rhythms like http://i.imgur.com/kBBFraG.png I do prefere it the way i have for 2 reasons. Even though the song features strong drums i wanted to follow the piano/vocal rythm more. This is the section that feaute my arguable cool firework aesthetic and i think 2 sliders like that (and later on aswell) make a beautiful firework pattern C:
- 00:39:274 (7) - if you decide against the above, at leat point this somewhere where upwards so that a dropoff to the next circle is created, i think with the movement you got going on that works better This is the same as 00:44:970 (6,7) - but it would make sense to make it point upwards moar. (can't point it up too much else it will resemble the patterns of the previous yellow combo too much and i wouldnt like that :c
- 00:47:438 (5,6) - seems forced, how about 1/1 slider I do see your concern but having too many 1/1 would break the uniqueness of 00:48:957 (1,2,3,4) - a bit. On the other hand some variety would be cool to have. Mb i'll ctrl+g the rythm
- 00:48:957 (1,2,3,4,5,6) - that this place is musically different in a lot of ways is not visible in any ways, mostly rhythm 00:48:957 (1,2) - the sharp 180° turn and the soft transition of 00:49:527 (2,3,4) - make up for it through object placement imo. I could do some different slidershapes but i wanted to try this different thing : S
- 01:10:793 (2,4) - looks oddly misplaced since you dont use stacking at all in this diff, so you're essentially introducing a new concept right before the end - you stack two things in the intro and that's it from there onwards (i think you should use stacks more because then you can have the player not move on every note) Even after spending >30 min trying to make it work w/o the stack i couldnt find a way to map it which would require a 80% remap. If this is a huge problem then i will keep trying tomorrow/next time i sit down for this
- 01:30:160 (1,2,3,4) - even with your general "i dont like organized patternz lul" mindset this is just kind of a mess i dont like organized patternz lul but i made this a bit better cause trash
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DeletedUser_3638005
Okoratu
ahh please leave the shitposting to reddit
[spark of light]
[spark of light]
- decimal od does mostly nothing, use 9? hmm okay
- 00:06:046 (3) - i think sliderslide should be hitsounded in some way, maybe the sliderslide sample from https://osu.ppy.sh/b/147375 fits as a sliderwhistle here? done
- 00:12:501 - that you drop whistles completely here onwards kinda ruins the mood in my opinion, the song features piano throughout so i think you should hitsound those more? you even feature them as your prominent layer of mapping sure
- 01:06:615 (1) - ever tried ending this in 01:06:900 - ? seems more accurate with the guitar the reason why this extended is because it's a combination of the guitar string and her breath kinda, also it makes the kiai feel more explosive and the reason why i decided to keep it.
- 01:07:944 (5) - 01:10:982 (5,6) - should either be both sliders or both circles according to what you wanted to do remapped the kiais completely, also those beats are all sliders now
- 01:10:223 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7) - also this didnt really feel energetic at all given that even 01:07:185 (1,2,3,4,5,6) - as a whole is bigger it's more spaced now but kinda remapped
- 01:25:413 (1,2,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3) - by making most of this just circles and only a few sliders you lose all the focus you've put on vocals being the core of this song before in any part, here's a list of opportunities you use to follow drums tried to follow more vocals with the addition of sliders and some more sliders instead of random circles
- 01:27:881 (2,3,4) - 3 very distinct vocals
- 01:26:172 (1,2,3,4) - after this being all on vocals, doing 01:26:932 (1) - and ending it on avocal just seems odd
- 01:29:400 (2,3) - these two stand out exactly in no way compared to the rest 01:29:780 (4) - does that well by being a completely different type of object, but with this many circles going on it all seems the same.
- 01:30:160 (1,2,3,4,5) - this star pattern would stand out way more if the things preceeding it were different from it
- 01:12:312 (3,4,5) - this somehow doesnt align with how you handle movement, mostly because the arrangement of 3 and 4 implies it's a direction that the player is expected to follow but out of line with what they expect to follow to, most other instances like 01:09:274 (3,4,5) - are clearly doing a back forth or other defined shapes while this is doing a "idunnoitlooksnice" changed it
- 01:22:944 (4) - i think end should be circle for vocals remapped but should still be applied
- 01:31:109 (1,2) - dunno how feasible but circles?? okay then
please hitsound the rhythms that you map in the normal as you mapped them just copying over hitsounding from the other diff isnt working
DeletedUser_3638005
damn, this took a huge nerf
gogog
Ok ~ M4M I guess since ya said so in-game...
I personally don't see much wrong with it but i'll bring up some things
Didn't see no issues with the Hard except similar stuff about hs like other diffs (basically just recheck all difficulties hs which shouldn't be long since I didn't point out too much)
Bring up some metadata and call me back soon
I personally don't see much wrong with it but i'll bring up some things
Spark of Light
- 00:06:046 (3) - A soft-whistle right here would quite fitting at the start of this note and wouldn't be too anoying or anything
- 00:10:033 (3) - On the slider end of this a - clap right here seems to leave more of an impact instead of a whistle imo
- 00:24:274 (6,7,8,1) - I feel the gap between 00:24:274 (6,7,8) - and 00:24:653 (1) - is a bit too big imo
while I do understand this is suppose to be challenging - but it could help reducing the gap just a tad bit to make not as challenging
Nasya's Insane
- I wish you map the intro like all the difficulties do :c
- 01:05:096 (6,7,8) - Maybe possibly adjust the spacing around here? like slightly reducing the spacing at (6) and give a little bit more (8) since 8 leaves quite a strong impact and I felt it should be emphasis a bit more around here
- 01:08:515 - Don't see the harm of adding a whistle right here - seems to more fitting for the music than without
- 01:31:109 (1) - possible curve this slightly down towards the left a bit - Feels more comfortable that way
Insane
- Similar minor hitsound issues with the top difficulty
- 01:30:919 (5) - Minor but maybe move this more towards the left just a slight bit to makes thing a slight bit more comfortable here
Looks clean
Advanced
- 00:52:944 (2) - Tbh I don't think a repeating slider here fit all that much ~ a simple circle + slider here works better for the beat/vocals around here but that just me
- 01:10:793 (2,4) - fixed this overlap please
Normal
- 00:58:641 - I feel that having soft-whistle right here after the next 1 00:59:020 (2) - don't sound right to me - maybe used drum - whistle instead
General
- No problem
Didn't see no issues with the Hard except similar stuff about hs like other diffs (basically just recheck all difficulties hs which shouldn't be long since I didn't point out too much)
Bring up some metadata and call me back soon
DeletedUser_3638005
fixed everything, waiting on the GDers now, thanks for modding!
metadata:
http://www.pixelbee.jp/panorama/
http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm11550635
http://chano36.blog55.fc2.com/blog-entry-114.html
metadata:
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http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm11550635
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Hailie wrote:
Advanced
- 00:52:944 (2) - Tbh I don't think a repeating slider here fit all that much ~ a simple circle + slider here works better for the beat/vocals around here but that just me ya
- 01:10:793 (2,4) - fixed this overlap pleaseit's intended, it has to stack in the the reverse direction and cause osu can't do that on its own i have to custom hotfix it. It look better and more balanced that way
hell yeah dude
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call me after them
okay
let's go
00:12:501 - pls for the love of god in normal dont just spam whistles of a sampleset that has drums there, actual soft whistles sound much better 
Smokeman wrote:
Okorin wrote:
ahh please leave the shitposting to reddit THIS IS A MEME FREE ZONE NOW
[smokeman]
[list][*]ar 6 fits your sv and density better, e.g. it makes 00:02:818 (5,1) - rhythm gaps actually readable in a straightforward manner - if you do this adjust other setting accordingly yea
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kay
thx for pp
ok i'll drop 100rank every day 
gratz!
gratz!
niceeeeeeeeeeeeee i didnt even realize this was already ranked