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MAMA PURITY - The Venerable Ancient Battlefield ~ Suwa Fough

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This beatmap was submitted using in-game submission on Thursday, 20 July 2017 at 8:10:09 PM

Artist: MAMA PURITY
Title: The Venerable Ancient Battlefield ~ Suwa Foughten Field RMX
Source: 東方Project
Tags: moon mom mum kanako yasaka touhou toho mountain of faith
BPM: 170
Filesize: 8350kb
Play Time: 05:15
Difficulties Available:
  1. Futsuu (2.65 stars, 1071 notes)
  2. Inner Oni (6.04 stars, 2358 notes)
  3. Kantan (1.74 stars, 569 notes)
  4. Muzukashii (3.62 stars, 1652 notes)
  5. Oni (4.61 stars, 2158 notes)
Download: MAMA PURITY - The Venerable Ancient Battlefield ~ Suwa Foughten Field RMX
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Thx Invective for being the first to try out Inner Oni. You like 1/6ths don't you? 8-)
Thx Spiderpigo for trying out Kantan, Futsuu, and Muzukashii :D

Thx Aloda for the first mod :D
Aloda
Yo.
General
Unless you're planning on mapping the end of the song, this map is currently unrankable because more than 20% of your map is outro time. You'll either need to map to the end or cut the mp3.

Kantan
I don't like leaving a gap at 00:21:176. I guess you're trying to leave a space before the 1/1 pattern that follows it, but the sound here is so strong it feels really weird to leave it unmapped.

Generally in a Kantan, 1/1 patterns longer than 5 notes, like 00:37:411, aren't used. I'm generally okay with it if the bpm isn't too high, but other people might not be.

So in 01:56:470 - 02:19:058 you're using a repeated structure, which is fine since it matches with the song, but as the intensity of the music rises, you switch to a way easier monocoloured pattern. I get that the pitch is rising, but it's really weird to have the map get easier when it should be getting harder. Maybe you could try kdk k d d k patterns here?

Okay the second Kiai is way too dense for a Kantan haha. Something close to the density of the first Kiai section would be a lot better here.

Inner Oni
HP7 is really high for a map of this length. I would suggest making it no higher than 6, but lower than that would probably be better.

Of the 1/6 patterns you've used in this map, the only ones that really have any sounds to justify them are the ones in the first Kiai section and 03:10:940 (198,199,200,201,202,203,204) / 03:33:528 (428,429,430,431,432,433,434) - I would suggest removing the rest. For the ones in the first Kiai, however, it's weird that you've stopped using them in the second half of the Kiai section, since there are totally still sounds you could map the 1/6 to there it feels really weird when you switch to only 1/4 and 1/3.

I don't understand the SV changes in the intro. It would be okay if it was a gradual increase, but there's really no reason to have the fluctuating SV like this.

I think the streams at 01:11:117 and 01:16:764 are a little over the top and don't really fit with the music too well. Maybe you could break them up a little.

Why leave 02:35:999 - 02:41:646? Not only is this section perfectly mappable, it's pretty much the same as 02:41:646 - 02:47:293, so having one mapped and not the other is weird.

The 1/4 patterns you've used in 02:47:293 - 02:57:175 are really over the top. This is a pretty calm section, so mapping it so densely doesn't play so well.

I'm not a fan of all the finishers you've used in the second Kiai section. Trying to hit finishers sandwiched between 1/4 patterns like this is a real pain, and I think this would play a lot better with most of the finishers changed to regular ol' notes.

Alright I'm getting tired now so I'm gonna stop at these two diffs - I might come back and do the rest sometime. Anyways, this is a really fun map, gl with it 8-)
Topic Starter
eterpay

Aloda wrote:

Kantan
I don't like leaving a gap at 00:21:176. I guess you're trying to leave a space before the 1/1 pattern that follows it, but the sound here is so strong it feels really weird to leave it unmapped.
Done.

Generally in a Kantan, 1/1 patterns longer than 5 notes, like 00:37:411, aren't used. I'm generally okay with it if the bpm isn't too high, but other people might not be.
Done. Other instances of 5+ patterns have been cut down.

So in 01:56:470 - 02:19:058 you're using a repeated structure, which is fine since it matches with the song, but as the intensity of the music rises, you switch to a way easier monocoloured pattern. I get that the pitch is rising, but it's really weird to have the map get easier when it should be getting harder. Maybe you could try kdk k d d k patterns here?
Swapped kats and dons to make the pattern colours more varied. Second half is no longer monocolour. This change has raised SR.

Okay the second Kiai is way too dense for a Kantan haha. Something close to the density of the first Kiai section would be a lot better here.
lol it really is dense haaaaa.......fixed. How is it now?

Additionally: 02:19:058 - 02:35:999 Changed it so that there is more gap between notes. 1/1 doublets only appear in the last half of the section. The two long 1/1 chains in the middle have been broken up.

lol I don't like mapping Kantan

Inner Oni
HP7 is really high for a map of this length. I would suggest making it no higher than 6, but lower than that would probably be better.
Done.

Of the 1/6 patterns you've used in this map, the only ones that really have any sounds to justify them are the ones in the first Kiai section and 03:10:940 (198,199,200,201,202,203,204) / 03:33:528 (428,429,430,431,432,433,434) - I would suggest removing the rest. For the ones in the first Kiai, however, it's weird that you've stopped using them in the second half of the Kiai section, since there are totally still sounds you could map the 1/6 to there it feels really weird when you switch to only 1/4 and 1/3.
1/6 at 00:43:764 and 00:44:294 became 1/4
1/6 at 01:56:470 - 02:07:764 became 1/4
1/6 at 02:59:999 - 03:22:587 became 1/4 except for the kddkddk ones and the very last one.
I do want to keep some of the 1/6 in 03:22:587 - 03:45:175. Some 1/6 changed.
The 1/6 in the these two sections were placed to follow the snare(?) drum (even if it's not making 1/6 rhythms). Just cause.

I'll miss these 1/6 :( (I think I put them there simply because I wanted 1/6 practice aha)

First Kiai Section:
I suppose I stopped using 1/6 at the second half because I felt that it would become repetitive. 1/6 has been added in. May need later tweaks.


I don't understand the SV changes in the intro. It would be okay if it was a gradual increase, but there's really no reason to have the fluctuating SV like this.
The introductory SV changes slowly increase to build up to the first Kiai. The whole "increase but then pulling back a little" is just me trying to emphasise an underlying melodic phrase, which comes out mostly in 00:16:235 - 00:16:941 (low pitch) and 00:38:823 - 00:39:529. Also it was me playing around with SV.
I would like to keep the oscillating nature of the SV, but I suppose I will tone it down a little.


I think the streams at 01:11:117 and 01:16:764 are a little over the top and don't really fit with the music too well. Maybe you could break them up a little.
Stream at 01:11:117 cut down evenly. Keeping the 1/3 into 1/6.
Stream at 01:16:764 cut down at its beginning.
You didn't mention anything about the stream at 01:22:411. I assume you have no qualms?


Why leave 02:35:999 - 02:41:646? Not only is this section perfectly mappable, it's pretty much the same as 02:41:646 - 02:47:293, so having one mapped and not the other is weird.
I left 02:35:999 - 02:41:646 unmapped because I wanted to create a break moment (I mean, 4 minutes (okay I'll map towards 5 minutes) without a break seems a lil harsh)and also to build up towards the pseudo peak moment at 02:52:940 (starting with nothing and then accumulating, and then decaying a little (, reflected by SV changes here)). This leads on to...


The 1/4 patterns you've used in 02:47:293 - 02:57:175 are really over the top. This is a pretty calm section, so mapping it so densely doesn't play so well.
1/4 patterns in 02:47:293 - 02:57:175 reduced. I believe I created those patterns so it would adhere to the build up, but I agree and have reduced them. Will do so in Oni. (Oh yeah, I probably should have added volume changes. I totally forgot to do that. That's probably why this section didn't
fit.) Anyway, I'm just worried because this section is now practically the same as the one in Muzukashii.


I'm not a fan of all the finishers you've used in the second Kiai section. Trying to hit finishers sandwiched between 1/4 patterns like this is a real pain, and I think this would play a lot better with most of the finishers changed to regular ol' notes.
I've never had a real problem with hitting these finishers, but I'll reduce them anyway.
Since my other difficulties are based off each other, I'll have to make similar changes to them as well. You can wait till I change those before checking them.

This is a fun map? YAY

Yeah, I'm gonna spend some time mapping the last minute.
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