22:36 ProEzreal: alrighty
22:36 ChronoNig: my body is ready
22:37 ProEzreal: are you mapping for ranked?
22:37 ProEzreal: or
22:37 ProEzreal: just for fun
22:37 ProEzreal: okay
22:37 ChronoNig: uhh it was for fun but ppl said if i got enough mods and good gd's it could rank
22:37 ProEzreal: yea
22:37 ProEzreal: this has potential
22:38 ProEzreal: well read the ranking criteria
22:38 ProEzreal: its gonna take too long if i explain everything
22:38 ProEzreal: to make it short
22:38 ChronoNig: okey dokey will do
22:38 ProEzreal: cut the mp3 to about where you ended, get a higher res bg if possible
22:38 ProEzreal: alright now to the map
22:39 ChronoNig: k noted
22:39 ProEzreal: 00:04:159 (1,1,1,1,1,2,3) - really impressed with the build up ehre
22:39 ProEzreal: 00:06:159 (1,2) - and how you decreased distance here cuz these are quiet sounds
22:39 ChronoNig: :o ty
22:40 ProEzreal: 00:06:826 (1) - but i think it would have better emphasis if you added distance here because
22:40 ProEzreal: you can here the sudden blast of cymbals and instruments
22:40 ProEzreal: 00:07:159 (2) - maybe here too
22:41 ChronoNig: hbt somethig like this https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/6754002
22:41 ProEzreal: 00:12:826 (1) -  i feel like this nc is unnecessary
22:41 ProEzreal: better
22:42 ChronoNig: 00:07:159 (2) - i think it's ok since now the spacing is consistent between the sliders here
22:42 ProEzreal: alright fair enough
22:42 ChronoNig: that's true, i did that just cuz i disliked how the follow point looked
22:42 ChronoNig: but removed
22:42 ProEzreal: 00:12:826 (1) - the nc here is inconsistent 00:07:492 (3) - 
22:42 ProEzreal: so yea
22:43 ChronoNig: yea true
22:44 ProEzreal: 00:16:326 (1,2) - this should have about the same distance or more compared to 00:15:826 (1,2) - since the pitch didn't really go down
22:45 ProEzreal: 00:22:326 (1,2,3) - equilateral triangle pls thx
22:45 ProEzreal: lol
22:45 ProEzreal: and see how you made the jump for 00:26:992 (1,2) - 
22:45 ProEzreal: same parts different distance
22:46 ProEzreal: and just a suggestion but it would be good to have a base distance for when you aren't emphasizing any notes
22:46 ProEzreal: its not a huge problem on an extra difficulty like this
22:47 ChronoNig: ok noted!
22:47 ProEzreal: but then again, there's no backbone to the map if there isnt one
22:47 ProEzreal: its more of a structure type of thing
22:47 ChronoNig: o yea i just eye balled it LOL
22:47 ProEzreal: lol
22:47 ProEzreal: distance snap is your friend
22:47 ProEzreal: use your friends >:)
22:48 ChronoNig: >:) i fight alone
22:48 ChronoNig: kappa
22:48 ChronoNig: ok! new best friend
22:48 ProEzreal: 00:34:159 (1,2,3) - this was actually slightly hard to read
22:48 ProEzreal: i recommend a different placement
22:48 ChronoNig: stack 1 with 3?
22:49 ChronoNig: hbt like this https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/6754040
22:50 ProEzreal: tbh i would make it like this http://puu.sh/sI4YB/2ff29ddbe4.jpg but only if you can make the part after work
22:50 ProEzreal: thats okay
22:50 ProEzreal: that would work just as well
22:51 ChronoNig: ok!
22:51 ChronoNig: also for 00:16:326 (1,2) - i ended up copying and pasting https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/6754048
22:52 ProEzreal: 00:43:826 (6,2) - just a note, make sure the blankets are nice
22:52 ProEzreal: oh
22:52 ProEzreal: okay that would work
22:53 ChronoNig: ight will note
22:53 ChronoNig: cant wait for nazi mods to point allt he fail blankets
22:53 ChronoNig: :D
22:53 ProEzreal: 00:47:159 (1,2,1,2,1,2) - hmm i dont think the vocals call for such big jumps
22:53 ProEzreal: if it was to the percussion
22:53 ChronoNig: it was
22:53 ProEzreal: then
22:54 ProEzreal: i would redo the nc and the placements
22:54 ProEzreal: because
22:54 ProEzreal: 00:46:826 (1,2,1) - for these three notes, you can hear the percussion
22:54 ProEzreal: but not for 00:47:326 (2) - this
22:54 ProEzreal: id undo the nc on 00:47:159 (1) - 00:47:826 (1) - 
22:55 ProEzreal: and make it so that 00:46:826 (1,2,1) - these three notes have similar distance with 00:47:326 (2) - being a bit shorter from that
22:58 ChronoNig: https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/6754078 like this?
22:59 ChronoNig: there's the reworked pattern
22:59 ChronoNig: http://puu.sh/sI5qt/732b7c4f7d.jpg
22:59 ChronoNig: i also nerfed it a bit
22:59 ProEzreal: i was thinking more of like http://puu.sh/sI5tN/9a0b17f6d0.jpg this which is similar to what you had but i just like teh triangle patter lul
22:59 ProEzreal: pattern*
23:00 ProEzreal: 00:47:492 (1,2,3,4) - and for these four
23:00 ProEzreal: 00:47:492 (1,2,4) - these have the percussion and 00:47:826 (3) - this doesnt sooo id say 00:47:492 (1,2) - jump 00:47:659 (2,3) - decreased spacing 00:47:826 (3,4) - big jump
23:01 ProEzreal: something like this http://puu.sh/sI5zU/f55b869166.jpg
23:01 ProEzreal: idk
23:01 ProEzreal: your choice
23:01 ChronoNig: that's basically what i did int he second ss D:
23:01 ChronoNig: o
23:01 ChronoNig: althought
23:01 ChronoNig: not as defined
23:01 ChronoNig: as that
23:02 ProEzreal: oh i didnt see the second one
23:02 ProEzreal: that ones not that bad either
23:02 ProEzreal: if it fits your style more, go for it
23:02 ChronoNig: ok! will do
23:02 ProEzreal: 00:48:826 (1) - this is still part of the piano, im not sure about a new combo on that one
23:03 ChronoNig: i just wanted to emphasize the change in spacing
23:03 ProEzreal: 00:49:159 (1,1) - maybe a bit more distance
23:03 ChronoNig: idk if it's needed tho
23:03 ProEzreal: hmm
23:03 ProEzreal: yeah i know what you mean
23:04 ChronoNig: 00:49:492 (1) - shifted to the right a bit more
23:04 ProEzreal: it would be better if you sorta pull it down so it blankets 00:49:826 (2) - 
23:05 ChronoNig: uh could u ss an example
23:05 ChronoNig: kinda lost there
23:06 ProEzreal: http://puu.sh/sI5PQ/8c13ce9da7.jpg
23:06 ProEzreal: sorta like that
23:06 ChronoNig: o i can do that
23:07 ProEzreal: 00:56:159 (1,2,3,1,2,3,4) - 
23:07 ProEzreal: the nc here is a bit questionable
23:08 ChronoNig: i guess readability? i'll leave that until someone also suggests that
23:08 ProEzreal: 00:56:326 (2) - this is where vocal starts and setting an nc 00:56:659 (1) - here
23:08 ProEzreal: would
23:08 ProEzreal: confuse me
23:08 ProEzreal: a lot
23:08 ChronoNig: o true
23:08 ProEzreal: you could simply change the pattern if possible
23:08 ChronoNig: i kinda liked that pattern D:
23:09 ProEzreal: i dont mind the nc 00:56:159 (1) - here, but on 00:56:659 (1) -  this i just dont understand
23:09 ChronoNig: ok i'll remove that nc then aslong as i can keep pattern :o
23:10 ProEzreal: http://puu.sh/sI623/a8e8522045.jpg hows that
23:10 ProEzreal: xd
23:10 ProEzreal: oh
23:10 ProEzreal: okay then
23:10 ProEzreal: i just hope people can read that
23:11 ProEzreal: 00:58:992 (1) - this would be more readable if you either stacked it with 00:58:493 (3) - or just slightly overlapped it
23:11 ProEzreal: 01:09:492 (1,1,1,1) - for these
23:12 ProEzreal: i get that you followed the pitch of the instrumentals
23:12 ProEzreal: but this part should be a build up and get more intense
23:13 ProEzreal: but making the sliders decrease in sv sorta destroys the intensity
23:13 ChronoNig: hbt circles but decreasing spacing?
23:14 ProEzreal: alright try that and show me the ss
23:15 ProEzreal: i tried it and it may be a good alternative
23:15 ChronoNig: 00:58:992 (1) - as for this i thought the motions of 00:57:492 (1,2,3) - left 00:58:159 (1,2,3) - right would give the player enough of a hint that the next circle would be on the right side
23:16 ProEzreal: uhh
23:16 ProEzreal: actually
23:16 ProEzreal: they would be thinking it would be coming from the left
23:16 ProEzreal: quite the opposite
23:16 ChronoNig: o
23:17 ChronoNig: maybe it's just me and my pp sense
23:17 ProEzreal: thats a flow problem actually
23:17 ProEzreal: oh
23:17 ProEzreal: yea
23:17 ChronoNig: me and my *broken flow* sense
23:17 ProEzreal: if you watch pishifat's videos
23:17 ProEzreal: it may help you a lot
23:17 ProEzreal: so basically what he states is that
23:18 ProEzreal: bigger the angle of 3 notes, the flow is worse and harder to hit
23:18 ProEzreal: thats why flow also gives a big impact on emphasis
23:18 ChronoNig: oho i see
23:18 ProEzreal: not only distance and sv
23:18 ChronoNig: thats sueful
23:18 ChronoNig: *useful
23:19 ChronoNig: so i did what u said and stacked 1 with 3 but can i make 00:59:326 (2) - NC?
23:20 ProEzreal: what for?
23:20 ProEzreal: did you not change the pattern 00:59:326 (2,3,4,5) - ?
23:21 ChronoNig: no i didnt D:
23:21 ProEzreal: oh
23:21 ChronoNig: shoul i of?
23:21 ProEzreal: probably, an easy solution is to select 00:59:326 (2,4) - these two and ctrl-g
23:22 ChronoNig: hmm i could do that
23:22 ChronoNig: would the flow of 00:59:659 (4,5) - be an issue if I did?
23:23 ProEzreal: nah not really
23:23 ChronoNig: ok then done
23:23 ProEzreal: 01:09:492 (1,1,1,1) - what are you going to do for these
23:24 ChronoNig: o u mentioned so much stuff I couldnt make the rework LOL
23:24 ChronoNig: ill try rn
23:24 ProEzreal: lol
23:24 ProEzreal: take your time
23:27 ChronoNig: ok i did something like this http://puu.sh/sI6OQ/f3037c4f88.jpg
23:27 ChronoNig: changed this to help flow a bit 01:10:826 (1) -
23:29 ChronoNig: o i like this better 01:10:159 (1,2,1,2) - flip horizontal and ctrl+g 01:10:159 (1,2) -
23:29 ChronoNig: that way i get a circular motion
23:30 ChronoNig: that slowly decreases
23:32 ProEzreal: hmm
23:33 ProEzreal: http://puu.sh/sI76J/7647178f33.jpg
23:33 ProEzreal: this is how i mapped it
23:33 ProEzreal: but
23:33 ChronoNig: it's like this now https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/6754191
23:33 ChronoNig: o yea
23:33 ChronoNig: LOL
23:33 ProEzreal: yea your choice
23:34 ChronoNig: that's how i had it before roo
23:34 ChronoNig: prob is
23:34 ChronoNig: i use that sorta thign a lot
23:34 ChronoNig: like here 01:41:659 (1,2,1,2,1,2) -
23:34 ProEzreal: well
23:34 ProEzreal: its good to be consistent
23:34 ProEzreal: tbh
23:34 ProEzreal: but if you want diversity
23:34 ChronoNig: like i use back and forths quite a bit
23:34 ChronoNig: i just want a bit
23:35 ProEzreal: you can do that if you want
23:35 ChronoNig: if that pattern doesn't work out i'll do what u did since i also think that works fine
23:35 ProEzreal: 01:17:159 (4) - this is the only time you use a 3/4 slider, pretty inconsistent
23:35 ProEzreal: okay then
23:36 ChronoNig: o yea true
23:36 ChronoNig: there's one here too so it's sorta consistent 02:21:159 (4) -
23:36 ChronoNig: although that one flows a lot better imo
23:36 ProEzreal: hmm if so
23:36 ProEzreal: id say add an extra 3/4 if possible in the first kiai section
23:36 ChronoNig: it's to emphasize the long vocals
23:37 ChronoNig: o ok
23:37 ChronoNig: i wouldnt know where tho
23:37 ChronoNig: i dont see much that would call for it
23:37 ProEzreal: hmm
23:37 ChronoNig: 01:17:159 (4) - i could make this a 1/2 slider but so many sliders in one section i was told is pretty Zzz
23:38 ProEzreal: lol
23:38 ProEzreal: hmm
23:38 ProEzreal: id make it a 1/2 for the sake of quality
23:38 ProEzreal: idk
23:39 ChronoNig: ok i'll note that as a potential fix
23:39 ChronoNig: i'll try to defend it but if ppl keep asking for change i'll do it
23:39 ProEzreal: KK
23:39 ProEzreal: kk
23:39 ProEzreal: 01:23:326 (4,5,1,2,3,1) - uhm
23:40 ProEzreal: *coughs* nc *coughs*
23:40 ProEzreal: okay so this part here
23:40 ProEzreal: 00:19:326 (4,1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2) - is similar to this part here
23:40 ChronoNig: o ok nc'd 01:23:326 (1) -
23:41 ProEzreal: you can hear that the instrumentals are the same
23:41 ProEzreal: id make it so the nc follows this rhythms
23:41 ProEzreal: rhythm
23:42 ChronoNig: o im a bit confused on what u mean now :(
23:42 ProEzreal: oh
23:43 ProEzreal: 00:19:659 (1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2) - this section has the same instrumentals as 01:23:326 (4,5,1,2,3,1,2,3,4) - this section here but has different nc patterns
23:43 ProEzreal: i would make 01:23:326 (4,5,1,2,3,1,2,3,4) - the nc pattern here the same as 00:19:659 (1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2) - 
23:44 ChronoNig: ok so just nc 4
23:44 ChronoNig: sorry if im incorrect there
23:44 ChronoNig: ;w;
23:44 ProEzreal: what i would do is
23:44 ProEzreal: 01:23:326 (4) - make this into a 1/2
23:45 ProEzreal: 01:23:659 (1) - add a note here
23:45 ProEzreal: with nc
23:45 ChronoNig: OOO
23:45 ChronoNig: ic now
23:45 ProEzreal: 01:23:992 (1) - disable nc here 01:24:326 (2) - add nc here 
23:45 ChronoNig: cuz vocals start on red tick
23:46 ProEzreal: yea
23:46 ProEzreal: so something like that
23:47 ProEzreal: well since the next part is somewhat similar to the parts in front
23:47 ProEzreal: i think you can handle it well
23:48 ChronoNig: so 01:23:659 (1,2,3) - should have the same pattern as 01:24:326 (1,2,1) -
23:48 ProEzreal: since i should go to sleep now xd
23:48 ChronoNig: ok
23:48 ChronoNig: got it
23:48 ChronoNig: lemme try
23:48 ProEzreal: not exactly the same pattern
23:48 ProEzreal: it doesnt have to be the same pattern
23:48 ChronoNig: yea ik but for consistency sake
23:48 ProEzreal: okay
23:48 ProEzreal: sure
23:48 ChronoNig: since thats what i did with the other one
23:48 ProEzreal: but it may seem cramped
23:49 ProEzreal: eh your choice
23:49 ProEzreal: good luck with this