Another post where you write obvious stuff and then back it up with evidence so bad that it almost negates your point?
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I don't know the supposed best player in the world cookiezi says "its just preference" in other words he says they are equal.Trapalicious wrote:
I figured this was common sense, surely no one legitimately believes they're equal.
Well that would make sense to deflect the fact a player using more difficult way to play has overtaken your rank. There's like what, 9 mouse players in the top 100? One player being immensely good at both the game and mouse control doesn't suddenly negate the fact the other 91 players use a tablet and turn it into preference. He's an exception to the rule.M3ATL0V3R wrote:
I don't know the supposed best player in the world cookiezi says "its just preference" in other words he says they are equal.Trapalicious wrote:
I figured this was common sense, surely no one legitimately believes they're equal.
Lol, he never overtook me, hes been a god since the dawn of time. Also I'm not sure why you would make this about me, lets focus the points of the argument rather than attacking each others character.Trapalicious wrote:
Well that would make sense to deflect the fact a player using more difficult way to play has overtaken your rank.
More people use tablet because it used to be perceived as the superior device. However just because the majority perceive the device as better doesn't mean it actually is. I mean the second best player right now is a mouse player even though only 9% of players in the top 100 use mouse.Trapalicious wrote:
91 players use a tablet
Just because tablet is limited to a static interface doesn't mean it is the best choice for that interface. Could you explain in more depth why they are more precise?Trapalicious wrote:
they offer more precision while working with a static interface
Low weight and drag is both good and bad when it comes to ability to aim. For this very reason some tablet players drag the pen on the tablet to add stability. The same goes for weight, it increases the force needed to start moving but adds stability as you are moving. There are many arguments for both peripherals and after considering as many as I could I came to the conclusion they are very close to equalTrapalicious wrote:
Using a tablet lets you dance around because they add practically no weight to your hand and there's 0 drag since nothing is touching
This is true and the example you give is true however there is no specific dpi number that is optimal there is a range and the number you choose is preference. Also if you look at what types of mice these players use they could be big or small. The DPI and shape of a mouse is preference just as what peripheral you use in osu is preference.Trapalicious wrote:
Preference only goes so far
The numbers drop off hard? I don't think there is any proof of that, that spreadsheet doesn't list every mouse user so you cant really use it to analyse the population of players. Even so I found its the opposite of what you said using that spreadsheet.Trapalicious wrote:
I don't really wanna write too much because these kinds of things go on eternally.
I'm just using "you" in the general way, referring to Cookiezi. It's natural he'd claim it's 100% preference to downplay the fact a mouse player overtook his rank. Angel being #1-2 doesn't really mean much besides that he's just that good, he doesn't change the 'rule'. The rule being reaching that level of skill with a mouse is much harder or time consuming. Like assuming this does an okay job at listing the top mouse users, there's around 50ish give or take in the top 1000, and then the numbers drop off hard.
1:1 position is an advantage, but tablets also have a higher latency (as discussed before) and are not really designed with swift movements in mind which puts them at about the same level of potential as mouse.Trapalicious wrote:
Tablets offer 1:1 positioning, they're just inherently more accurate for static interfaces because of this. I keep saying static because someone would go "then whys there no tablet Quake players if theyre so good??? xd". You're not gonna find an artist which seriously draws with a mouse without just sketching first then going over with pen-tool for line art, because it's horrible trying to do smooth lines with a mouse.
When I said there is a range of dpi that are acceptable and compared that to tablet vs mouse my point was that mouse falls in the range of acceptable peripherals. When you are in a range of acceptable dpi you can go up or down within that range and your hand can adjust its movements without noticeably losing much of its potential accuracy. Same goes for mouse vs tablet, there is a certain range of drag/weight that is optimal. This range also differs from player to player which adds even more to the "its just preference" argument.Trapalicious wrote:
Yeah mice vary, but only because people have different hands. I use palm-grip with a small mouse because I have small hands. Dpi/shape/xyz doesn't change the flaws/advantages of a mouse. Top mouse players switch to tablet, but do top tablet players ever switch to mouse permanently?
I agree with thiswinber1 wrote:
everything in the world is inherently different, because they are literally different things. object A is not object B even if they are both cellphones, or whatever. there are things that tablet inherently has a slight advantage over mouse and likewise mouse over tablet given a certain person's skillset, albeit extremely hard to pinpoint exactly. that being said, everyone is also different and inherently has a different skillset, which can match tablet or mouse better. in a sense, it's just "preference" because it depends on which peripheral a person is more inclined to use given their skillsets.
I disagree that tablet is better as a peripheral in general, just cause a majority found it better doesn't make it better. Most people thought primitive forms of medicine worked in the past but that was largely due to the placebo effect.winber1 wrote:
however, to say that something is better generally implies that it is better for the majority of people. something would not be "better" if it were disadvantageous to most people. therefore, because it is basically fact that most people see greater improvement with tablet, the general consensus would be that tablet is "better" than mouse, since the majority of people see an advantageous benefit from tablet. To say "you should probably switch to tablet to improve faster" is not misleading, but rather a general guideline; however, it should be taken with a grain of salt because you may be part of the minority. the world is just made up of statistics.
Its my hot body, I do what i wantwinber1 wrote:
now begone
I think you're smart and knowledgeable enough to figure mouse works better in other game cause relative positioning works well in 3D environment which suits FPS, as for MMO RTS ARPGs...... you don't really need the precision that the tablet brings to the table, and it's more about comfort and features like extra buttonsM3ATL0V3R wrote:
The other evidence is most other PC games are played with a mouse and people have no problems aiming at a very high level.
I disagree tablet doesn't bring precision to the table, the pen itself is a precise tool but when mapped to the size of the screen it loses its precision.N0thingSpecial wrote:
Why is this still going, absolute positioning and just our flexibility in using a pen on a day to day basis give tablets an edge, but the actual performance depends on the player which is why there are some mouse players with high rank.I think you're smart and knowledgeable enough to figure mouse works better in other game cause relative positioning works well in 3D environment which suits FPS, as for MMO RTS ARPGs...... you don't really need the precision that the tablet brings to the table, and it's more about comfort and features like extra buttonsM3ATL0V3R wrote:
The other evidence is most other PC games are played with a mouse and people have no problems aiming at a very high level.
But who fukin cares just click the fukin circles to the God damn fukin beat
FTFYMahogany wrote:
Tablets and mice have absolute tracking.
You'd be surprised. A lot of people still do and I feel sorry for them.Trapalicious wrote:
I figured this was common sense, surely no one legitimately believes they're equal.
You must be new here... Angelsim already has insane tablet scores.porix2312 wrote:
Imagine if we live in ideal world and everyone gets large spikes in skill when switch from mouse to tablet.. Now imagine if AngelMegumin switched to tablet lol
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