Noisia - Groundhog (Beat Juggle) · forum

Arphimigon

Joined December 2014

Topic Starter

Arphimigon 2017-01-11T18:24:18+00:00

Voli wrote:
[Rhythm Master]

03:43:040 (3) - unsnapped slider end fixed
03:18:655 (1,2,3,4,5,6,1,2,3,4,5,6) - maybe nerf this start cuz its sudden af diffspike from the last 1/3 part ye got a few complaints (one by myself) fixd
Make 03:22:645 (3,4,5) - and 03:21:869 (4,5,6,7) - not overlap for better looks and readability aaaaand a fix

Vivyanne

1,217 posts

Joined December 2013

Vivyanne 2017-01-11T18:36:09+00:00

[General]

I'd suggest you to look at AIMod, found quite some unsnapped objects

[Rythm Master]
02:37:866 (1,2,3,4) - Perhaps too big of a diff spike, the 1/3 sliders in the section feel way easier and this also makes the section afterwards look not so hard, which breaks your progressive difficulty thing.
03:55:787 (6,2) - Please make these not touching >.< would make it look better tbh

good luck!

Arphimigon

1,651 posts

Joined December 2014

Topic Starter

Arphimigon 2017-01-11T18:38:57+00:00

HighTec wrote:
[General]
I'd suggest you to look at AIMod, found quite some unsnapped objects will do!

[Rythm Master]
02:37:866 (1,2,3,4) - Perhaps too big of a diff spike, the 1/3 sliders in the section feel way easier and this also makes the section afterwards look not so hard, which breaks your progressive difficulty thing. agree completely, reworking this part
03:55:787 (6,2) - Please make these not touching >.< would make it look better tbh Not-touching anymore ez

good luck!

Thnks!

diraimur

547 posts

Joined December 2013

diraimur 2017-01-11T22:48:01+00:00

ez:
03:30:626 (4,1) - all sliders like dis r weird sinc there is near silence on the start of them plz fix
03:32:843 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - hardest part of map isnt even the end, its in the transition stage, kys. boosts the SR a lot and makes the end seem way easier

hr:
03:19:985 (7) - not straight (and a bunch of others, look through map to find them on this section)
look at the slider 00:56:336 (4,1) -, all slider-> notes like this should have a quieter end for a better effect, same on all higher diffs which use these rhythms

Arphimigon

1,651 posts

Joined December 2014

Topic Starter

Arphimigon 2017-01-11T22:51:17+00:00

diraimur wrote:
ez:
03:30:626 (4,1) - all sliders like dis r weird sinc there is near silence on the start of them plz fix I'll see what I can do
03:32:843 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - hardest part of map isnt even the end, its in the transition stage, kys. boosts the SR a lot and makes the end seem way easier complete agree

hr:
03:19:985 (7) - not straight (and a bunch of others, look through map to find them on this section) done and fixed
look at the slider 00:56:336 (4,1) -, all slider-> notes like this should have a quieter end for a better effect, same on all higher diffs which use these aaaaaaaa pain but fixing too thnxrhythms

Miquella

462 posts

Joined September 2015

Miquella 2017-01-20T11:53:56+00:00

where will groundhoggy go arphi??

Weedy

773 posts

Joined January 2014

Weedy 2017-01-24T04:16:06+00:00

One high quality GD coming up- 6.75* LOL have fun
"pika's so you want to be a DJ"

GD

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Arphimigon

1,651 posts

Joined December 2014

Topic Starter

Arphimigon 2017-01-24T08:47:05+00:00

@pika

I'm sorry but as the diff progresses it just feels more like consistent 1/4 and nothing like DJ Hero ultra weird rhythms. After 03:18:659 - there is only 1/4 and the odd 1/8 but barely any rhythms that represent the intricacies of the music that I wanted to bring out. Also, lots of the spacing seems random and a bit forced so you get the top SR kinda difficulty thing which is around 6.5ish nowadays, but I don't like how any of it works.

04:10:972 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,5,6,7) - And half the time the weird DS changes like this have near 0 meaning
(01:10:967 (1,2,3,4,5) - and I will never add slider end strims to my mapsets)
01:14:847 (3,4,5,6,7,8) - And things like this, there are only actually notes after the downbeat at 01:14:957 - but no taps before it
01:16:288 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9) - 1/3 taps
01:30:475 (1,2,3,4) - More 1/3
02:36:092 - This section which is just literally 1/3 taps over and over again is pure spam and kinda gets boring. It's also the highest SR rated (I dont like SR but I thought you'd wanna know) part of the map, if that means anything
02:07:717 - to 02:36:092 - I really like this section tho

But my real concerns are the end of the map as I said at the start, after 03:18:655 - there is basically 1/4 spam and illogical spacing
03:19:542 (1,2,3,4,5) - I find it depressing how the lack of sound at 2 is the same pressure as the rest of the pattern
03:20:650 (3,4,5) - 1/6
03:23:310 (1,2,3,4,5,6,1) - 1 to 4 is nice, but 5 itself is very strong and 6 is nearly nonexistant, having the pattern continue for 5 and 6 is weird for both the sounds for those two reasons
03:24:862 (1,2,3,4) - Mapped to? You could've chose the drums, which wouldve been 03:24:862 - 03:24:973 - 03:25:195 - 03:25:305 - or extended the slider at 03:25:305 - but this is just 1/4 slider spam for the sake of it
03:26:857 (1,2,3,4,5,6) - Dud fix yo squares
03:27:799 (3,4,5,6) - You tried, but it's 1/6
03:30:182 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1) - I can understand how 5 has the weird back-flow on it cuz downbeat. However that means the OP power on 7 is merely nothing now, cuz 7 has easily the strongest sound and new instrumentu, but is just a normal tap in the pattern. It should be as strong as the distance to the slider coming after 8
03:31:956 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - Again, mapped to what? Same arguement as last time
03:32:843 (1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2) - This bit doesn't make me want to quit enough.
And then up to 04:01:218 - this point I just literally cannot understand what anything is mapped to, I'm just confused at this point

I may be quite harsh on this map, but that is because for about a year now I've considered it my best ever creation, and I won't accept anything I don't see to be on par with what I made, since I likely wont ever make something as good as this again in the next 3/4 years.

tl;dr nope

Weedy

773 posts

Joined January 2014

Weedy 2017-01-24T21:56:35+00:00

Arphimigon wrote:
@pika

I'm sorry but as the diff progresses it just feels more like consistent 1/4 and nothing like DJ Hero ultra weird rhythms. After 03:18:659 - there is only 1/4 and the odd 1/8 but barely any rhythms that represent the intricacies of the music that I wanted to bring out. Also, lots of the spacing seems random and a bit forced so you get the top SR kinda difficulty thing which is around 6.5ish nowadays, but I don't like how any of it works.

04:10:972 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,5,6,7) - And half the time the weird DS changes like this have near 0 meaning
(01:10:967 (1,2,3,4,5) - and I will never add slider end strims to my mapsets)
01:14:847 (3,4,5,6,7,8) - And things like this, there are only actually notes after the downbeat at 01:14:957 - but no taps before it
01:16:288 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9) - 1/3 taps
01:30:475 (1,2,3,4) - More 1/3
02:36:092 - This section which is just literally 1/3 taps over and over again is pure spam and kinda gets boring. It's also the highest SR rated (I dont like SR but I thought you'd wanna know) part of the map, if that means anything
02:07:717 - to 02:36:092 - I really like this section tho

But my real concerns are the end of the map as I said at the start, after 03:18:655 - there is basically 1/4 spam and illogical spacing
03:19:542 (1,2,3,4,5) - I find it depressing how the lack of sound at 2 is the same pressure as the rest of the pattern
03:20:650 (3,4,5) - 1/6
03:23:310 (1,2,3,4,5,6,1) - 1 to 4 is nice, but 5 itself is very strong and 6 is nearly nonexistant, having the pattern continue for 5 and 6 is weird for both the sounds for those two reasons
03:24:862 (1,2,3,4) - Mapped to? You could've chose the drums, which wouldve been 03:24:862 - 03:24:973 - 03:25:195 - 03:25:305 - or extended the slider at 03:25:305 - but this is just 1/4 slider spam for the sake of it
03:26:857 (1,2,3,4,5,6) - Dud fix yo squares
03:27:799 (3,4,5,6) - You tried, but it's 1/6
03:30:182 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1) - I can understand how 5 has the weird back-flow on it cuz downbeat. However that means the OP power on 7 is merely nothing now, cuz 7 has easily the strongest sound and new instrumentu, but is just a normal tap in the pattern. It should be as strong as the distance to the slider coming after 8
03:31:956 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - Again, mapped to what? Same arguement as last time
03:32:843 (1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2) - This bit doesn't make me want to quit enough.
And then up to 04:01:218 - this point I just literally cannot understand what anything is mapped to, I'm just confused at this point

I may be quite harsh on this map, but that is because for about a year now I've considered it my best ever creation, and I won't accept anything I don't see to be on par with what I made, since I likely wont ever make something as good as this again in the next 3/4 years.

tl;dr nope

welp not your fault, this was just an experiment for flow change - flow changes from horizontal to vertical/vice versa at each 90' slider ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
maybe you can add it to the description or something lol
and speaking of complex rhythm your top diff isnt very rhythmically complex either ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ (bar the 1/6in your map because they're hard to read from 1/8)

Arphimigon

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Arphimigon 2017-01-24T22:32:29+00:00

Pika wrote:
welp not your fault, this was just an experiment for flow change - flow changes from horizontal to vertical/vice versa at each 90' slider ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
maybe you can add it to the description or something lol
and speaking of complex rhythm your top diff isnt very rhythmically complex either ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ (bar the 1/6in your map because they're hard to read from 1/8)

~~Ya but mine follows instruments in a "not just spammin 1/4" and has the 1/6 and 1/8~~
But ya added to desc ftw

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Bursthammy

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Bursthammy 2017-02-18T14:08:46+00:00

Rhythm Master

02:43:186 (1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,1,2,1,2,3,1,2,3) - Personally, this section has usually been harder to nail without breaking than 03:18:655 - 03:32:787 if difficulty progression is what you are going for (obviously) I believe I have a better alternative. The reason this section is so difficult comes in the motion needed to jump from 02:43:482 (3,1) - for example and then reverse that momentum. If the patterns alternated from top-to-bottom --> bottom-to-top instead of just top-to-bottom patterns over and over again, it would be able to keep the same structure but be much less forgiving in it's aim requirements.

02:43:630 (1,3) - Ctrl-G
02:44:516 (1,2) - Ctrl-G
02:45:431 (1,3) - Ctrl-G
02:48:950 (1,3) - Eh, you could use it here but I feel as though this one is more forgiving since it only utilizes the difficult momentum problem once instead of multiple times. You could probably do some more interesting stuff with 02:49:393 (1) - if you decided to Ctrl-G this.

04:09:364 (3) - I kinda like Ctrl-G'ing this to make it a little more challenging to hit.

Arphimigon

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Arphimigon 2017-02-18T17:02:37+00:00

Weber wrote:
Rhythm Master

02:43:186 (1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,1,2,1,2,3,1,2,3) - Personally, this section has usually been harder to nail without breaking than 03:18:655 - 03:32:787 if difficulty progression is what you are going for (obviously) I believe I have a better alternative. The reason this section is so difficult comes in the motion needed to jump from 02:43:482 (3,1) - for example and then reverse that momentum. If the patterns alternated from top-to-bottom --> bottom-to-top instead of just top-to-bottom patterns over and over again, it would be able to keep the same structure but be much less forgiving in it's aim requirements.
I like the idea, but I disagree still. Firstly, this section would then be easier than the previous because of the lack of high spaced jumps 02:38:161 (2,3,4,1) - for example. Next of all I'm not sure if its a problem with you or me but I can hit this section DT (lol) but not the next section properly nomod (lol) which is just hilarious. If I'm going to nerf this part, I'm going to have to do it a totally different way.

04:09:364 (3) - I kinda like Ctrl-G'ing this to make it a little more challenging to hit. The unsnappiness dissatisfies me

diraimur

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diraimur 2017-04-18T08:20:14+00:00

cripes.

strickluke

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strickluke 2017-07-10T22:29:17+00:00

sexy map

Arphimigon

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Arphimigon 2017-07-10T22:49:27+00:00

sexy kanker

Voli

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Voli 2017-10-24T18:45:44+00:00

Very impressively done map with a consistent theme! Feels like a real rhythm game level. Best of luck!

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18:36 Voli: also
18:36 Voli: i think pro is harder to read than rhythm master
18:37 Voli: cuz of the ar choice xdd
18:37 Arphimigon: I dont

18:38 Arphimigon: Both the top diffs have quite low AR, but if it were up to me I'd rather reduce the top one than increase pro
18:38 Voli: ya
18:38 Voli: idk the last part is really cluttered with 8
18:38 Voli: on pro
18:38 Voli: imo
18:38 Voli: if you could increase it by 0,5 already that would alleviate the problem
18:38 Voli: 4 me
18:39 Arphimigon: I find that when people play the maps, they adjust to the AR by the end of it
18:39 Arphimigon: 8.5 doesnt really help though
18:39 Arphimigon: The stacks putting everything off weirdly is still there
18:39 Arphimigon: And that's the main reading weirdness
18:41 Voli: hmm
18:41 Voli: maybe you should work with nc's there
18:41 Voli: like 04:02:104 (6) -
18:41 Voli: 04:03:878 (6) -
18:41 Arphimigon: The diffname is PRO
18:41 Arphimigon: u must be PRO READER
18:41 *Arphimigon nyabs
18:42 Arphimigon: ye I could work with NCs on those
18:42 Voli: ya i mean i just want to get it ranked
18:43 Voli: y is everything 55 volume
18:43 Arphimigon: y not
18:43 Voli: o nvm
18:43 Voli: not everything
18:44 Arphimigon: Did cute NCs
18:44 Voli: but
18:44 Voli: in
18:44 *Voli is editing [https://osu.ppy.sh/b/1015267 Noisia - Groundhog (Beat Juggle) [Rookie]]
18:44 Voli: everything is 5
18:44 Voli: 55
18:44 Voli: tho i can kinda get behind it ...
18:44 Arphimigon: I'm not sure if it was intentional or not
18:45 Voli: i mean the intensity IS kinda the same
18:45 Arphimigon: Time to JUDGE
18:45 Arphimigon: wh no it does increase
18:45 Voli: wh no
18:45 Voli: oh
18:45 Voli: u mean intensity
18:45 Arphimigon: ye
18:45 Voli: yeah i guess
18:45 Voli: but loudness
18:45 Voli: well
18:45 Voli: yeah i'd make the end louder for sure
18:45 Arphimigon: Loudness doesnt ye
18:45 Voli: see if thats the case for other diffs too
18:45 Arphimigon: hmm
18:46 Arphimigon: only from 04:01:218 - onwards though
18:46 Arphimigon: (the riiiight end)
18:47 Voli: yea
18:47 Voli: i generally agree with not making it fluctuate too much
18:47 Voli: there isnt really any point
18:47 Voli: where the song just ''stops'' its pace
18:48 Arphimigon: Made all the ends 65% from that point on
18:48 Arphimigon: ezpz
18:48 Arphimigon: Too much higher will be distracting
18:49 Arphimigon: 04:15:405 (1) - "UNRANKABRUUUUU!!!!"
18:49 Voli: where
18:49 Arphimigon: on pro/master
18:49 Voli: why o.o
18:49 Voli: i think thats fine
18:49 Arphimigon: same
18:50 Voli: 04:09:198 (2,3,4,5) -
18:50 *Voli is editing [https://osu.ppy.sh/b/1015266 Noisia - Groundhog (Beat Juggle) [Rhythm Master]]
18:50 Arphimigon: ez arguements against it though going from "3x SV all of a sudden" to "different reading type on the last object"
18:50 Voli: what are these snaps
18:50 Voli: wat
18:50 Arphimigon: But iz cute
18:50 Arphimigon: 1/8 CUTE
18:50 Voli: but
18:50 Voli: its not 1/8
18:50 Voli: wh
18:51 Arphimigon: Yes they are
18:51 Arphimigon: which part
18:51 Voli: 04:09:198 (2,3) - these are unsnapped
18:51 Voli: i tihnk
18:51 Voli: https://voli.s-ul.eu/8lxuto80.png
18:51 Arphimigon: o
18:51 Arphimigon: that part
18:51 Arphimigon: Ya I can agree on that
18:51 Voli: theres some other unsnapped stuff too
18:51 Voli: aimod
18:51 Voli: xd
18:51 Arphimigon: The first two feel like 1/8
18:52 Voli: ya but they arent actually snapped
18:52 Voli: thats weird
18:52 Arphimigon: Oh AImod you silly
18:52 Voli: cuz aimod doesnt register them as unsnapped either
18:52 Voli: wait.
18:52 Arphimigon: to 1/8
18:52 Arphimigon: They are snapped
18:52 Voli: WTF
18:52 Voli: NO
18:52 Voli: THEYRE 1/16
18:52 Voli: LOOOOOOOOOL
18:52 Arphimigon: One is afaik
18:52 Arphimigon: oh yeah
18:53 Arphimigon: 1/16
18:53 Arphimigon: I remember now
18:53 Voli: cant this just be 1/4
18:53 Voli: xD
18:53 Voli: or no
18:53 Voli: i think it should be 1/6
18:53 Arphimigon: nope
18:53 Arphimigon: Now that I listen to it more
18:53 Arphimigon: It's even worse
18:54 Voli: im p sure its 1/6
18:54 Arphimigon: Is my OFFSET OFF OR IS THIS 1/32
18:54 Arphimigon: AAA
18:54 Voli: if i listen at 75% it lines up
18:54 Voli: perfectly
18:54 Voli: at 1/6
18:54 Arphimigon: Sounds quite clearly off for me on the last one
18:55 Voli: i'd simplify it to 1/6 anyways
18:55 Voli: theres no way you'd hear the difference
18:55 Voli: but for playing it's simpler
18:55 Arphimigon: https://puu.sh/y65YI/f482dd99d2.png
18:55 Arphimigon: Seems simple enough
18:56 Voli: what snap is that
18:56 Arphimigon: But tbh
18:56 Arphimigon: The most accurate rhythm
18:56 Arphimigon: To me is:
18:56 Arphimigon: https://puu.sh/y660y/e9cacd7a3e.png 1/16 snaps
18:56 Voli: theres a zoom button
18:56 Voli: on the timeline
18:56 Arphimigon: And those are perfectly consistent timings between them
18:56 Voli: ;\
18:56 Arphimigon: yes ik
18:57 Arphimigon: u want EXPANDDDD?
18:57 Arphimigon: (lemme get())
18:57 Arphimigon: [https://puu.sh/y663a/a490d83c5f.png EXPAND!]
18:58 Voli: kj lemme replicate that
18:58 Arphimigon: The first sound actually comes out late
18:58 Arphimigon: Which I'm perfectly fine with making 1/16 later cuz RHYTHM MASTER GIT PRO
18:58 Voli: yeah it sounds accurate
18:59 Arphimigon: Just gotta add some inherits so it stops sounding like a garbage mess
18:59 Voli: 04:14:519 (1,1,1,1) -
19:00 Voli: imo you shouldnt make the spacing here that big baka
19:00 Voli: its a decreasing sound
19:00 Voli: and you switch from spacing every 2 notes to every single one
19:00 Voli: thats way hardr
19:00 Arphimigon: It ends quite THEMATICALLY
19:01 Arphimigon: I could be all super logical
19:01 Arphimigon: And make em decreasing and all that
19:01 Arphimigon: But this is a thematic heavy map which is about getting consistently harder
19:01 Arphimigon: Would be silly for it to end off being easier~
19:01 Arphimigon: esp when its so
19:01 Arphimigon: INTENSE
19:02 Voli: https://voli.s-ul.eu/RdklxB8y.png
19:02 Voli: ya cuz
19:02 Voli: this is so EZ?
19:02 Voli: its still harder than the doubles
19:03 Voli: and harder than any 1/4 spacin u used
19:03 Arphimigon: That's just
19:03 Arphimigon: What I did but nerfed
19:04 Voli: ya but without the overlap
19:04 Voli: full
19:04 Arphimigon: Overlap was cute ;;
19:04 Voli: ok
19:04 Voli: lets keep it
19:04 Arphimigon: nyeh
19:04 Arphimigon: It was a bit bullshitty for the end
19:04 Arphimigon: https://puu.sh/y66p7/9e2ec0b8e9.png
19:05 Voli: ye
19:05 Voli: happi
19:05 Arphimigon: (thats the most left, second most left, most right, second most right)
19:05 Arphimigon: So there's a jump in there
19:06 Voli: oh its like
19:06 Voli: cris cross?
19:06 Arphimigon: 1, 2, 4, 3
19:06 Voli: o
19:06 Arphimigon: Counting from left to right
19:06 Voli: 00:35:055 (1) - dont you wanna make these WAAAHs stand out more
19:06 Voli: sv wise
19:07 Voli: just curiou
19:07 Arphimigon: Not this early in the map no
19:07 Voli: ok
19:07 Arphimigon: It's pretty basic
19:07 Arphimigon: Just normal SV, smol jumps, ez stuff
19:08 Voli: 01:39:342 (1) -
19:08 Voli: maybe a direction change+other shape?
19:09 Voli: sound seems pretty outstanding
19:09 Voli: just like 01:14:736 (2) -
19:09 Arphimigon: https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/9388249
19:10 Arphimigon: works here
19:10 Voli: just make sure the end doesnt fully overlap
19:10 Voli: cuz that is unrankable ;;
19:10 Arphimigon: Only partial
19:10 Voli: k
19:10 Arphimigon: https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/9388251
19:10 Voli: tosti
19:10 Arphimigon: u want map to be ranked
19:10 Arphimigon: I just want to make something fun
19:10 Arphimigon: wew
19:10 Voli: well
19:11 Voli: i want it to be ranked
19:11 Voli: as close as can be to its original state
19:11 Arphimigon: original state meh ADD MORE COOL STUFFS
19:11 Voli: YA
19:11 Arphimigon: I wonder if I can add in
19:11 Arphimigon: a tosti slider
19:12 Arphimigon: Well I guess this is a square tosti
19:12 Arphimigon: And the other was a tringl tosti
19:12 Arphimigon: Both are valid tosti
19:12 Voli: i mean you could technically make a square tosti
19:12 Voli: 02:27:114 (6) -
19:12 Voli: i think you should make this note not overlap still
19:12 Voli: cuz
19:12 Voli: the overlaps r like
19:12 Voli: 02:29:775 (3,4) -
19:12 Voli: introduced here
19:12 Voli: and that one is at the end of a measure
19:13 Arphimigon: You're like
19:13 Arphimigon: 02:08:493 (3,4) -
19:13 Arphimigon: 20 seconds late
19:13 Voli: ya but
19:13 Voli: trhe rest of that pattern doesnt have overLASPS
19:13 Arphimigon: https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/9388277 ez fix
19:13 Voli: ye
19:13 Voli: thats what i just wanted to screenshot
19:14 Voli: LOL
19:14 Voli: k good
19:14 Voli: cripes
19:14 Arphimigon: https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/9388284 moved to middle for distance sake
19:15 Voli: what was up with the unsnapped shit
19:15 Voli: that aimod sais
19:15 Voli: said
19:15 Arphimigon: ya it was osu! putting my notes like a few ms off their snaps
19:15 Arphimigon: all fix
19:16 Arphimigon: AIMod is happy with all diffs
19:16 Arphimigon: Cute
19:17 Voli: cute
19:17 Voli: 03:26:636 (1) - why are thse ncs
19:17 Arphimigon: so that
19:17 Arphimigon: 03:26:857 (1) - could start on a 1
19:17 Voli: ya
19:17 Voli: thats cute
19:18 Arphimigon: and be like symettrical kinda with the other side
19:18 Voli: 03:45:478 (1,1) - angery
19:19 Arphimigon: o
19:19 Arphimigon: How do ppl
19:19 Arphimigon: SEE THESE THINGS
19:19 Arphimigon: Fixd
19:19 Arphimigon: 03:52:794 (3,4,5,6,7,1,2,3,4,5,6) - o das fast u know
19:20 Arphimigon: o yus I wanna nerf 04:05:983 (9,10) - and 04:07:756 (9,10) -
19:21 Voli: o ye
19:21 Arphimigon: (I did nerfs to thos)
19:21 Voli: k
19:21 Voli: were done with this diff
19:21 Voli: from my part, at least
19:22 Arphimigon: Cute
19:22 Arphimigon: I did some minor things, mostly inherit points and nerfs
19:23 Arphimigon: No weird shit tho
19:24 Voli: ok
19:24 Arphimigon: On rookie I removed 1 note
19:25 Arphimigon: Otherwise the rest of the set is the same
19:32 Voli: idk
19:32 Voli: i dont see the need to overly analyze the lower diffs
19:32 Voli: they seem fine as they are
19:32 Arphimigon: Nice
19:32 Voli: only thing
19:32 Voli: imo is the last part on pro
19:33 Arphimigon: 04:13:743 (1,3,4,5,1,3,4,5,1,3,4,5,1,3,1) -
19:33 Voli: can you updatre
19:33 Arphimigon: this part?
19:33 Voli: o
19:33 Voli: no
19:33 Voli: not that
19:33 Voli: the part b4 that
19:33 Arphimigon: Update is a GOING!
19:34 Arphimigon: Boom
19:34 Arphimigon: a doneness is the update
19:37 Voli: 04:10:307 (2,3,4,5,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,5,1,2) -
19:37 Voli: its this part
19:37 Voli: thats bothering me
19:37 Voli: the reading is
19:37 Voli: suddenly hard af there
19:37 Arphimigon: o no
19:37 Arphimigon: reading problems
19:37 Arphimigon: The things I never see anymore
19:38 Voli: ok
19:38 Arphimigon: I'm guessing if
19:38 Arphimigon: I unstack the ends of
19:38 Arphimigon: 4 and 5
19:38 Arphimigon: It'll seem pretty kk
19:38 Voli: yeah
19:38 Voli: thatll help
19:39 Arphimigon: Doing a quicko update
19:42 Arphimigon: (did the quicko update, forgot to say)
19:43 Voli: o
19:43 Voli: quicko update
19:43 Arphimigon: For the advanced stack
19:43 Arphimigon: ez pz
19:43 Voli: po*
19:43 Arphimigon: wh
19:43 Arphimigon: u said
19:43 Arphimigon: ADVANCD
19:43 Arphimigon: o
19:43 Arphimigon: yes PRO
19:43 Voli: LOL
19:44 Voli: r u dumm
19:44 Voli: 04:13:188 (4) -
19:44 Arphimigon: ye Im double dum
19:44 Voli: they arent fIX
19:44 Arphimigon: cuz I fixed them in pro
19:44 Arphimigon: and thought I didnt
19:44 Voli: no
19:44 Voli: u fixed them
19:44 Voli: wait
19:44 Voli: wtf did u fix
19:44 Arphimigon: 04:10:528 (4) -
19:44 Voli: oh
19:44 Voli: i thought unstack 04:13:188 (4,5) -
19:44 Arphimigon: hnHNGNH
19:45 Arphimigon: I think thos r fine
19:45 Arphimigon: hn
19:45 Voli: i know smth u can do
19:45 Voli: stack them on 04:12:302 (4) - instead
19:45 Voli: and 04:12:523 (5) -
19:46 Arphimigon: https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/9388524
19:46 Arphimigon: cute new symettry
19:46 Voli: o
19:46 Voli: seems cute
19:46 Voli: ok
19:46 Arphimigon: nvrmnd theres a HORRIBLE OVERLAP
19:46 Voli: taht part is super overlappy in general
19:46 Arphimigon: its
19:46 Arphimigon: SUPER UGLY
19:46 Arphimigon: It has to be if I notice it
19:47 Voli: LOL
19:47 Arphimigon: https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/9388538 had to do this instead
19:47 Arphimigon: sadnesses
19:48 Voli: why is the tick rate 4
19:48 Voli: wtf
19:48 Voli: im confud
19:49 Voli: also rookie and adv use a lighter grey combo color than the top diffs
19:49 Arphimigon: wh
19:49 Voli: intentional or wat
19:49 Arphimigon: Not intentional
19:49 Arphimigon: Also
19:49 Arphimigon: tick rate 4 cuz bpm
19:49 Arphimigon: super low
19:49 Voli: 02:20:797 (7) -
19:49 *Voli is editing [https://osu.ppy.sh/b/1130379 Noisia - Groundhog (Beat Juggle) [Pro]]
19:49 Voli: unsnapped
19:49 Arphimigon: It they need to be high enough to notice the SV changes possibly on the SV change parts
19:49 Voli: drag it a bit
19:49 Arphimigon: ya
19:50 Arphimigon: k time to combo colour fix
19:50 Voli: 00:38:602 (1) - on top diff is unsnapped too apparently
19:50 Voli: tho id ont rly get it
19:50 Arphimigon: Fixed
19:51 Arphimigon: I wonder what is causing all these SUDDEN UNSNAPS
19:51 Voli: that was all tho
19:51 Arphimigon: fixd combo colorzzz
19:52 Voli: fix widescreen storyboard etc settings too
19:52 Voli: consiostent
19:52 Arphimigon: Well that literally makes no difference but kk
19:52 Voli: ya lol
19:52 Voli: just for formalities
19:52 Arphimigon: o yus
19:52 Arphimigon: remove countdowns
19:53 Arphimigon: k formalities COMPLETE
19:53 Voli: kk
19:53 Voli: update
19:53 Arphimigon: yusyus updating is a happen o7
19:54 Arphimigon: Updates did an happens

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Nao Tomori

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Nao Tomori 2017-10-24T18:47:21+00:00

do u need heart lol

Arphimigon

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Arphimigon 2017-10-24T18:49:14+00:00

A heart would be delightful!

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Suissie 2017-10-24T23:02:41+00:00

I love this map. Good luck on rank!!!

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Bursthammy 2017-10-25T11:48:51+00:00

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAa

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Log Off Now 2017-10-25T13:20:42+00:00

I CANT WAIT

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Arphimigon 2017-10-25T13:43:20+00:00

*wait intensifies*

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Nao Tomori 2017-10-25T17:01:18+00:00

[rhythm master]
01:13:627 (5,6) - slider end of 5 seems stronger than head of 6, cuz of the melody. how about circle + repeat + circle r omething?
(this happens on all of them >.>)

01:36:904 (6,7,8) - 3/4 rhythm clicking wise is more fitting here (remove 6).

02:27:669 (2,3) - not a slider?
the entire pattern is totally different from the other ones, with that 4-1 jump, it's kinda weird...

03:20:207 (5,2) - eeeee looks terrible cuz of autostackingggggggggggg

04:14:519 (1,1,1,1) - too much of a diffspike imo. its already hard enough with a spacing like this. just do a normal stream

[pro]
00:55:006 (2,3) - nazi stack

01:36:682 (1,2,3) - see top diff - 3/4 rhythm here is too obvious to put on a slider end like this.

01:36:682 (1,2) - slider > circle > slider works better a a replacement.

02:13:038 (5,1) - technically unrankable maybe, displace 1 by a few grid squares or ctrl g it

03:39:936 (1,2) - i think these patterns are frankly quite bad, you don't really get the back and forth motion at all cuz you can just sit in the middle and let the slider follow circle cover you. better to flip these.

04:01:661 (4,1,3) - this entire thing just looks bad cuz of stacking, i suggest making a different pattern here so autostacking doesnt fuck u over

04:14:740 (3,4,1) - a bit too sudden imo, moving 1 like https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/9394945 would make it a bit less of a diffspike.

also why dont you use dj hero diffnames lol

yea for the 3 higher diffs, the ending part is always too big of a diffspike imo. like the stream in the hard diff is stll pretty hard compared to the triple + quint spam earlier. think you should tone all the diffs down a bit in that regard.

Arphimigon

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Arphimigon 2017-10-25T18:24:34+00:00

Naotoshi wrote:
[rhythm master]
01:13:627 (5,6) - slider end of 5 seems stronger than head of 6, cuz of the melody. how about circle + repeat + circle r omething?
(this happens on all of them >.>) Agreed! Done all

01:36:904 (6,7,8) - 3/4 rhythm clicking wise is more fitting here (remove 6). Actually, I had to move 7 forward a 1/6 step, did adjustments for that

02:27:669 (2,3) - not a slider? yeah, different rhythm + making ya watch out like he wants ya to
the entire pattern is totally different from the other ones, with that 4-1 jump, it's kinda weird...
I did ctrl-g some stuff around so the spacing is less weird though

03:20:207 (5,2) - eeeee looks terrible cuz of autostackingggggggggggg Did a fix

04:14:519 (1,1,1,1) - too much of a diffspike imo. its already hard enough with a spacing like this. just do a normal stream Yeah you werent the first person to say something like this, this is a nerfed version already but I can still see that it's OP, did a fix

[pro]
00:55:006 (2,3) - nazi stack

01:36:682 (1,2,3) - see top diff - 3/4 rhythm here is too obvious to put on a slider end like this. same as above, it isnt actually 1/4 but 1/6,
so I also adjusted this pattern for that proper rhythm

02:13:038 (5,1) - technically unrankable maybe, displace 1 by a few grid squares or ctrl g it or both, also 02:28:113 (1) - with this

03:39:936 (1,2) - i think these patterns are frankly quite bad, you don't really get the back and forth motion at all cuz you can just sit in the middle and let the slider follow circle cover you. better to flip these. Actually (oh no red) I'm going for that, it's not meant to be followed strictly, just quick, slightly awkward snaps without a lot of spacing.

04:01:661 (4,1,3) - this entire thing just looks bad cuz of stacking, i suggest making a different pattern here so autostacking doesnt fuck u over

04:14:740 (3,4,1) - a bit too sudden imo, moving 1 like https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/9394945 would make it a bit less of a diffspike. did a fix

also why dont you use dj hero diffnames lol

yea for the 3 higher diffs, the ending part is always too big of a diffspike imo. like the stream in the hard diff is stll pretty hard compared to the triple + quint spam earlier. think you should tone all the diffs down a bit in that regard.
Agree with master but not really with pro, considering that there are spaced versions of those rhythms, having them stacked relieves one of the skills on them so you can just focus on tapping, I think that end is fair.
Master is nerfed though

I think it's all good now!

Nao Tomori

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Nao Tomori 2017-10-25T20:05:01+00:00

alright lets go

Arphimigon

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Arphimigon 2017-10-25T20:15:30+00:00

Don't fall apart now.

diraimur

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diraimur 2017-10-25T20:25:23+00:00

ooooo, das fast

Aurele

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Aurele 2017-10-25T20:37:10+00:00

no storyboard, plz dq

Vivyanne

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Vivyanne 2017-10-25T20:42:02+00:00

it's time to seperate the mans from the boys

fieryrage

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fieryrage 2017-10-26T04:19:42+00:00

why slider tick 4? makes the 1/3 part really stupid to hit properly cuz of the chance of a sliderbreak on the tick that's literally right at the end

otherwise fun map

k:hand

Arphimigon

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Arphimigon 2017-10-26T10:10:23+00:00

Slider tick 4 so you can read the 1/3 more quickly
(also follow the sliders *nya*)

worst fl player

worst fl player 2017-10-27T00:12:57+00:00

congratz~

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Irreversible 2017-10-27T00:50:19+00:00

gz!

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squirrelpascals 2017-10-27T02:16:12+00:00

Arphimigon wrote:
Slider tick 4 so you can read the 1/3 more quickly
(also follow the sliders *nya*)

This still doesn't feel justified. I don't see how higher slider tick rate helps you read the rhythm of a slider more properly. If anything it seems to give you a boost in combo for no reason, especially at the slow parts at 01:53:530 (1,2) - . Slider tick rate should only really be modified when there is a very often frequency of 1/2 or1/4 notes in a song that a slider might cover. This really doesn't happen in the song until 03:18:655 - so it remains unjustified for like 3/4 of the map. Also, the constant noise from the sliderticks is just obnoxious when you're hitting a slider. Also, as fiery mentioned its just inconvenient for players to hit.

Another thing, the final slider at 04:15:405 (1) - doesn't seem to have a clear slider path, the only thing that would suggest that this goes counterclockwise is the small bump next to the slidertail here (that and snaking sliders, but that can be disabled). So its definitely possible for one to read this slider going clockwise. even if it doesn't make that much of a difference in gameplay it should definitely be consistent with rule in the criteria

rest of the map is fine, i just think these two things should be adressed

fieryrage

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fieryrage 2017-10-27T03:39:59+00:00

slider at the end is a non-issue playability wise, tbh
it's so close together that it really doesn't matter

Nao Tomori

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Nao Tomori 2017-10-27T04:19:01+00:00

i think the tick rate helps with rhythm cuz you can see how far on a slider the tick is lol. but maybe tr 4 is a bit too much, idk. i thought it was fine =D

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Noffy 2017-10-27T05:03:22+00:00

I think the tick rate is cute because it makes sv diffrences like 02:13:038 (1,1) - in rhythm master for example maxmimumally obvious
slider tick rate 2 would be no tick / 1 tick which isn't as visible or in your face of a difference, I think it's critical for the ease of reading the varying svs used.
"he already uses combo colors for that"
the more the merrier

nya~

time for bed

Arphimigon

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Arphimigon 2017-10-27T09:26:46+00:00

The tick rate helps in like *at least* half of the map The SV changes of 02:07:717 - this section have lots of variance, and 02:36:092 - you can read that this is over 1/4 in length.
Lowering the tickrate to so much as even just 2 would make those SV changes really unpleasant to memorize instead of having that visual to rely on, and those 1/3s could look like 1/4s.
As an added benefit, you can tell that the final slider is 1/4 because of the tick rate! (which I think is just delightful)

As for the last slider, it's quite unlikely that anyone would follow it, it's holdable in the middle and quite readable that you don't need to follow it, but it's also quite clear (at least to me, the creator) that it moves the direction it does.
(the hold slider thing seems more to address hold sliders where the bodies of them go far away from the initial hold, you you'd have to follow them if the tick rate was high, otherwise I dont even see why that would exist in the RC)
If it still seems like a problem then I'd like to hear possible suggestions, but it'd be hard to replace it with anything that has the visual effect I'm going for.

squirrelpascals

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squirrelpascals 2017-10-27T18:02:45+00:00

As I said earlier about the slider, it doesnt make that much of a difference in gameplay, but I brought this up to be consistent with criteria exclusively. Then again this rule is very vague, and with maps using overlapping slider paths like this so often it probably wouldn't be worth taking the map down to change this. As for the 1/4 slider tick rate. I'm not at my computer to investigate what you said but it seems to make good sense. Even though personally I don't think lowering it would make playability that stressful there seems to be agreement here so I wont really bother.

Happy this is in qual btw

Arphimigon

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Arphimigon 2017-10-27T18:31:21+00:00

Thanksu~
I don't really mind lowering the tick rate, but I would definitely prefer it to be higher. It's just the small benefits that it has that make it nicer to have overall.

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strickluke 2017-10-29T02:36:12+00:00

ooh , oh yes oh GOD man.... ooooooh WOW oh YES OH GOD,,,,,, WOW .. WOO thats FAST WOOOAH... OH GOD FINALLY YES

Arphimigon

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Arphimigon 2017-11-01T21:11:42+00:00

Ranked! \ o /
Everyone go and become DJs!

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