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Review of the easier diffs, some talk about some spread issues between the 2 hardest diffs.

IRC 1
17:00 Wh1teh: hey, windows working now?
17:00 juankristal: yeah
17:00 juankristal: finally fucking done with space time
17:00 juankristal: hopefully forever
17:00 Wh1teh: s p a cetime
17:00 Wh1teh: got time to do the check now?
17:01 *Wh1teh is listening to [https://osu.ppy.sh/b/1001780 Colorful Sounds Port - ETERNAL DRAIN]
17:01 juankristal: well, I could see at least the easier diffs I guess
17:02 juankristal: dude idk but I always loved this song
17:02 Wh1teh: it's very ebin
17:03 *juankristal is editing [https://osu.ppy.sh/b/1002540 Colorful Sounds Port - ETERNAL DRAIN [Beginner]]
17:03 juankristal: 00:45:272 (45272|2,45473|2) -
17:04 juankristal: in general those 1/2 jacks for a beginner might not be that beginner material
17:04 juankristal: yees the bpm isnt that high but I think it would suit better for normal diffs or harder
17:04 juankristal: 00:58:157 (58157|3,58359|3) - same would go here
17:05 juankristal: specially the second one
17:05 Wh1teh: alright
17:05 Wh1teh: is the first one a must
17:06 Wh1teh: ?
17:06 Wh1teh: there's no hard stuff before or after that
17:06 juankristal: yeaah, the first one is really edgy
17:06 juankristal: but I guess we can leave it be
17:06 juankristal: the second one is a bit more problematic
17:06 juankristal: also hitsound changes
17:06 juankristal: for new people who plays with hitsounds that might confuse them a bit
17:07 juankristal: (inb4 not)
17:07 Wh1teh: I'll change the 2nd one to http://puu.sh/tciud/b8d4141377.png
17:07 juankristal: that sounds fine for me
17:07 juankristal: 01:18:896 (78896|3,78896|2) - is that double for a particular reason?
17:08 Wh1teh: the vocal is really loud
17:08 juankristal: oh thats vocal
17:09 juankristal: well, let it be
17:09 juankristal: 01:19:500 (79500|3) - then this one
17:09 juankristal: I feel it doesnt really fit that well honestly
17:09 juankristal: I think having this 01:19:701 (79701|2,79902|1,80104|0,80305|2) - as 4-3-2-1 with that break in the middle would suit better
17:10 juankristal: since the "more instrument thing" kinda gets more important after that 01:19:701 (79701|2) -
17:10 juankristal: like more 1/8 noise
17:11 Wh1teh: idk tho there's a vocal here 01:19:701 (79701|2) -
17:11 Wh1teh: oops highlighted a note accidentaly
17:11 Wh1teh: 01:19:500 -
17:11 juankristal: well, I hear the vocal too but it doesnt seem like you were following the vocal the whole time
17:11 juankristal: or maybe its just me
17:12 Wh1teh: yeah because it would've been way too hard
17:12 Wh1teh: but in that part the vocals feel more powerful
17:13 Wh1teh: +she sings ETERNAL DRAIN
17:13 juankristal: lmfao
17:13 juankristal: I think its not noticeable enough for a beginner to find out what it is following
17:13 juankristal: same goes for the double
17:13 juankristal: like, its not coincidence I complained about both parts that are vocal things xD
17:14 Wh1teh: alright I'll remove them then
17:14 juankristal: like, I understand the idea but I think it doest fit the difficulty level or the map structure itself that well
17:14 Wh1teh: yeah
17:15 juankristal: 01:32:386 (92386|1) - same would go here
17:15 Wh1teh: doing the same for the identical section in the second half
17:15 juankristal: cool
17:16 juankristal: the end might be a problem too but it looks like really hard to fix
17:16 juankristal: but lets just let that be too at least for now
17:16 Wh1teh: note that it's fairly low OD so LNs aren't shouldn't be that brutal
17:17 juankristal: yea
17:20 juankristal: then lets see the normal
17:20 *juankristal is editing [https://osu.ppy.sh/b/1002504 Colorful Sounds Port - ETERNAL DRAIN [Normal]]
17:20 juankristal: 00:24:533 (24533|2) - probably moving this to 1 is better
17:20 Wh1teh: done
17:20 juankristal: 00:28:560 (28560|1) - same this for 4
17:20 Wh1teh: done
17:22 juankristal: 01:32:184 (92184|1) -
17:22 juankristal: same
17:22 Wh1teh: done
17:23 juankristal: the normal seems cool
17:23 juankristal: nice job
17:23 Wh1teh: thanks
17:23 Wh1teh: I got a lot of good mods tho
17:23 Wh1teh: haha
17:25 juankristal: that always helps
17:25 juankristal: haha
17:27 Wh1teh: like seriously ajeemaniz and ele basically saved the easy diffs
17:27 juankristal: I dont get why people have issues mapping easy stuff hah
17:27 Wh1teh: so many limitations
17:27 juankristal: I dont remember if I ended up mentioning something about this 01:18:493 (78493|3,78694|3) -
17:28 juankristal: if not probably slot 1
17:29 Wh1teh: alright in that case I'll also move 01:18:896 - to 4
17:29 juankristal: alright
17:30 juankristal: ouch the gap in hyper normal
17:30 Wh1teh: normal is underrated
17:30 Wh1teh: but it's still in the 1.5 zone
17:30 juankristal: I know
17:30 juankristal: but hyper has a lot of 1/4
17:31 Wh1teh: the patterns are really easy
17:31 juankristal: yeah, they are
17:32 juankristal: 01:00:372 (60372|1) - I would probably move that to 1
17:32 juankristal: to avoid that "anchor" generated by that note
17:32 Wh1teh: done
17:33 juankristal: mmh
17:33 juankristal: 01:12:251 (72251|0,72352|1) - I dont think the anchor generated by that is too big of a deal
17:33 juankristal: because fixing it might make it look weird
17:33 juankristal: not sure what you think about it
17:34 juankristal: I would also 01:32:990 (92990|1,93090|0) - ctrl+g that
17:35 Wh1teh: 01:12:251 (72251|0,72352|1) - this thing isn't too bad also fixing it would basically create more anchors prior to that
17:35 juankristal: yeah
17:36 Wh1teh: the 2nd point, done
17:38 juankristal: 00:20:909 (20909|1,21010|0) - not sure if ctrl+g that makes sense for you
17:38 juankristal: it just makes stuff easier but maybe you have that for a specific reason
17:39 juankristal: also if you do ctrl+g remember to change the hitsound since it will also flip
17:40 Wh1teh: my thought there was probably that if you a roll followed by a really rolly pattern it's hard to acc that properly
17:40 juankristal: oh god my osu is at 100 fps in the hyper, pc will explode in the last diff
17:40 Wh1teh: and since there's that weird gap in music before that note it's even more weird
17:41 juankristal: I see
17:42 juankristal: the rest seems fair and fine
17:42 Wh1teh: also rolly patterns in general are hard to read, that gives the player a point to accent with, if that makes sense
17:42 Wh1teh: cool
17:42 juankristal: like, the gap might need a few touches but
17:43 juankristal: to be fair I dont really want to force you make another diff and I dont want to nerf hyper too much
17:43 juankristal: we might do that later anyways
17:44 Wh1teh: from my point of view, normal is underrated and hyper is overrated
17:44 Wh1teh: but idk if that's just me
17:44 juankristal: hyper if definetly overrated
17:44 juankristal: the gap is still a thing, but its definetly smaller than what SR tells
17:45 Wh1teh: also another is like mega underrated
17:48 juankristal: another is probably that
17:49 Wh1teh: I have to change 1 thing
17:49 Wh1teh: 01:17:688 (77688|1,77889|1,78090|1,78292|1,78493|1,78694|1,78896|1,79097|1,79298|1,79500|1) - this damn mega anchor
17:49 juankristal: thats a loooooooooooong anchor
17:49 Wh1teh: 01:18:292 (78292|1,78392|0,78493|1) - changing this to 1 2 1
17:49 juankristal: cool
17:50 Wh1teh: the same thing for the second half since I just copypaste mirrored that haha
17:50 juankristal: 01:30:574 (90574|2,90775|2,90976|2,91178|2,91379|2,91580|2,91782|2,91983|2,92184|2) - that probably is a too long one
17:50 juankristal: o
17:50 juankristal: lmfao
17:50 Wh1teh: yeah
17:51 Wh1teh: same thing for that one
17:51 juankristal: mmh
17:51 juankristal: before going into the another
17:52 juankristal: there was something about the black another I wanted to mention
17:52 juankristal: talked this with halogen for quite a bit
17:52 juankristal: 00:19:298 (19298|2,19298|3,19349|1,19349|0,19399|2,19399|3,19449|1,19449|0,19500|2,19500|3,19701|1,19701|0,19751|2,19751|3,19802|1,19802|0,19852|2,19852|3,19902|1,19902|0,20104|2,20104|3,20154|1,20154|0,20204|2,20204|3,20255|1,20255|0,20305|2,20305|3,20355|1,20355|0,20406|2,20406|3,20456|1,20456|0,20506|2,20506|3,20557|1,20557|0,20607|2,20607|3,20657|1,20657|0,20708|2,20708|3,20758|1,20758|0,20808|2,20808|3) -
17:52 juankristal: well, the big ass hl was not necesary lmfao
17:52 Wh1teh: damn it
17:52 juankristal: that is waaay too much for black another
17:52 Wh1teh: I talked about it with him too
17:53 Wh1teh: okay the only thing that I'm willing to do here is triump&regret style meme jumptrill
17:54 Wh1teh: if this was a single note trill, it would be like 1% easier, but the sr would drop by .5
17:54 juankristal: yeah
17:54 juankristal: and it would still be hard
17:54 Wh1teh: and like idk how u feel about that jumptrillable js thing
17:55 juankristal: you dont really have to make it 100% jumptrillable
17:55 Wh1teh: personally I hate it
17:57 juankristal: https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/6983307is that even jumptrillable
17:57 Wh1teh: index fingers
17:57 Wh1teh: reeeeeeeee
17:58 juankristal: thats not really that jumptrillable
17:58 juankristal: or at least for me is easier to legit hit it xD
17:59 Wh1teh: I'll come up with something epic right now
17:59 juankristal: 1/16 jumptrills?!
18:00 Wh1teh: I said epic not cancer
18:00 juankristal: damn
18:00 Wh1teh: http://puu.sh/tclOQ/12b231b874.png
18:00 Wh1teh: idk how about this
18:01 Wh1teh: or actually the last minijack at the end rather have it on 1
18:01 Wh1teh: then I just have to modify the part after that a bit
18:03 Wh1teh: or I could just ctrl+h that instead
18:04 juankristal: about the picture
18:04 juankristal: I think its fine, it plays a bit weird but I think thats the point
18:04 juankristal: like, being hard
18:04 juankristal: took me 2 trys to nail it tho, it isnt that hard
18:07 Wh1teh: I'll mirror it so I don't have to mess up like 4 bars after that and I change this 00:18:795 - to http://puu.sh/tcmey/4a093a9d0c.png
18:08 Wh1teh: also it will be have most of the anchors on right hand isntead of left so that's good for most players
18:09 juankristal: well, balance is always cool but if you want to have it on right hand is fine
18:09 juankristal: most of the playerbase is right handed xD
18:09 juankristal: well
18:09 juankristal: if I have to be super honest with you now
18:10 juankristal: I am close to die, had a really bad night for sleep
18:10 juankristal: 11 pm - 3 am sleep is never good
18:10 Wh1teh: so in the end it looks like this http://puu.sh/tcmrm/6b40702178.png
18:10 juankristal: so might as well leave this for today and finish it in the upcoming days
18:10 Wh1teh: ouch
18:10 Wh1teh: waking up that early sucks
18:10 Wh1teh: been there
18:10 juankristal: well, I didnt want to
18:11 juankristal: it just happened
18:11 Wh1teh: yeah same
18:11 juankristal: every time I go to sleep before midnight it happens lmao
18:11 juankristal: but I was so dead last night

IRC 2
19:30 juankristal: alright
19:32 juankristal: you there?
19:34 Wh1teh: yeah
19:34 juankristal: alright
19:35 juankristal: 00:55:188 (55188|2) - I would move this one to 4
19:35 juankristal: not a fan of that trill
19:36 Wh1teh: hmm alright
19:38 juankristal: more of a personal thing 01:14:667 (74667|2,74718|3) -
19:38 juankristal: I would ctrl+h that
19:38 juankristal: I believe the pitch flicker is there so making the minijack over there might make more sense
19:38 juankristal: I might be wrong tho
19:38 juankristal: it should be easier to hit too
19:40 juankristal: would probably 01:17:637 (77637|2,77688|3) - ctrl+h that one too, for that trill
19:40 Wh1teh: 01:14:667 - alright I don't see why not
19:41 juankristal: 01:29:718 (89718|2,89768|3) - here i dont wanna suggest the same thing but I believe that trill could be avoided still
19:41 Wh1teh: you mean like this? http://puu.sh/tgVg0/98e34b31e5.png
19:41 juankristal: so it could be 01:29:567 (89567|3,89617|2) - ctrl+g instead (hitsounds warning if you do so)
19:41 juankristal: exactly
19:41 juankristal: yah
19:42 juankristal: 01:35:808 (95808|2,95909|3) - then I believe you missed a minijack there
19:43 Wh1teh: well http://puu.sh/tgVg0/98e34b31e5.png
19:43 Wh1teh: idk it's like 3 minijacks in a row
19:43 juankristal: for the last one you mean?
19:43 Wh1teh: no, for 01:17:637 (77637|2,77688|3) -
19:44 juankristal: where is 3 minijacks in a row? o.O
19:44 juankristal: http://puu.sh/tgVrz/eda0553f0a.jpg
19:45 Wh1teh: http://puu.sh/tgVsk/27407ceea4.png
19:45 Wh1teh: or like idk they are so close together
19:46 juankristal: can you do shift+f12?
19:46 juankristal: in that part
19:46 juankristal: with the jacks marked
19:46 Wh1teh: where as without doing that there's 1/2 worth of time to recover from that
19:46 Wh1teh: https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/7018768
19:46 Wh1teh: like that
19:46 Wh1teh: 's
19:46 Wh1teh: your suggestiuon
19:47 juankristal: oh well you have something different compared to what I have here
19:47 juankristal: https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/7018774
19:47 Wh1teh: yeah but look at what u suggested for that part
19:48 juankristal: https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/7018783 thats the original
19:49 juankristal: just 01:17:486 (77486|3,77537|2) - ctrl+g that would make it look like this
19:49 juankristal: https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/7018789
19:49 Wh1teh: oh okay
19:49 juankristal: also remember to swap hitsounds if you do so
19:50 juankristal: because the W would be in 1/8 if you ctrl+g
19:50 juankristal: same would go here 01:29:567 (89567|3,89617|2) -
19:50 Wh1teh: I wouldn't do that for that part
19:50 Wh1teh: I could do it for the latter tho
19:51 juankristal: what you mean?
19:51 Wh1teh: because there's like nothing on right hand in the first one
19:51 Wh1teh: except that
19:51 Wh1teh: it's different in the latter
19:52 Wh1teh: like before and after 01:17:587 -
19:52 Wh1teh: pretty much nothing
19:53 Wh1teh: where as here 01:29:265 (89265|3,89365|3,90171|2,90272|2) - there's these near it
19:53 juankristal: so you want to apply it on 1:29 but not in 1:17 right?
19:53 Wh1teh: yes
19:54 juankristal: okey now I get you haha
19:54 Wh1teh: 01:35:808 - minijack added
19:54 juankristal: I would still like to do something about that 1:17
19:56 Wh1teh: I wouldn't want to force it
19:56 juankristal: mmmh
19:56 Wh1teh: Eternal is quite tightly knit I think
19:56 juankristal: well, that 1:17 is my last issue tbh
19:57 juankristal: other than that I am ready to icon it
19:57 Wh1teh: okay well why do you wanna change that part
19:57 Wh1teh: I don't think it should cause any playability issues?
19:57 Wh1teh: as it is
19:57 juankristal: that 01:17:537 (77537|2,77587|0,77637|2,77688|0) -
19:58 juankristal: 01:17:889 (77889|1,77990|1) - I would move that minijack to 01:18:090 - here too tho
19:58 juankristal: now that I think about it
19:59 juankristal: http://osu.ppy.sh/ss/7018848 something like that maybe
20:00 Wh1teh: not really feeling that one
20:00 Wh1teh: let me think about it for a sec
20:03 juankristal: anyways
20:03 juankristal: I gotta take a shower and then leave so
20:03 juankristal: I am going to take a shower and then if we have to talk something else we do talk that and we see what we do
20:03 juankristal: worst case scenario we just finish it tomorrow
20:03 Wh1teh: okay
20:04 Wh1teh: hey u still there
20:04 Wh1teh: ?
20:09 Wh1teh: so I did this https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/7018920
20:10 Wh1teh: I don't want to have it like this https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/7018925 because I think it looks quite dull
20:12 Wh1teh: note that I changed the order a bit here 01:17:285 - so it should feel a bit lighter going into it
20:18 juankristal: back
20:18 juankristal: okey
20:18 juankristal: so lets do this
20:18 Wh1teh: omg yess
20:18 Wh1teh: thank you!
20:18 juankristal: update it and gogogo
20:19 Wh1teh: done
20:20 Wh1teh: probably have to wait until weekend at least for chicken
20:20 juankristal: chicken will likely just suggest some things and then qualifiy tbh
20:21 juankristal: so you will likely have it qualified by that
20:21 juankristal: *then
20:21 Wh1teh: yeah I hope
20:21 Wh1teh: you cleaned it up a lot
20:21 Wh1teh: thanks
20:22 juankristal: well, I really didnt do much honestly hah
20:22 juankristal: but you are welcome :P
20:22 Wh1teh: yeah but hard to spot mistakes
20:23 Wh1teh: like I don't think any1 even dared to touch eternal before
20:23 juankristal: lmao
20:23 juankristal: well, its hard to mod the eternal diff honestly
20:23 Wh1teh: no wait derrick did I think
20:23 juankristal: just one thing
20:23 juankristal: 01:16:731 (76731|1,76782|3,76832|1,76882|3,76933|2,77033|2) -
20:23 juankristal: eternal
20:24 Wh1teh: yepp
20:24 Wh1teh: done
20:24 juankristal: and 01:30:423 (90423|1,90473|3,90523|1,90574|3) - that
20:26 Wh1teh: done and updated
20:27 Wh1teh: oh right one more thing lmao 01:22:923 - minijack added
20:27 Wh1teh: because it's the same as the other suggestion before
20:27 juankristal: update it again then? xD
20:27 juankristal: I dont see that minijack
20:28 Wh1teh: yea yea doing that
20:28 juankristal: o7
20:28 juankristal: sweet

We lost the first part of the second IRC because of my connection dropping due to rain but whatever, shouldnt be that big of a deal.
Topic Starter
Wh1teh
irc
2017-01-09 22:48 Wh1teh: hey
2017-01-09 22:48 Wh1teh: do you have time to finish the check?=
2017-01-09 22:49 juankristal: I guess
2017-01-09 22:49 juankristal: where did we left it?
2017-01-09 22:50 Wh1teh: you mentioned the jumptrills in black another and I changed it to a different pattern
2017-01-09 22:50 juankristal: did you update it?
2017-01-09 22:50 Wh1teh: yeah
2017-01-09 22:50 Wh1teh: soul tested it and said it's fine
2017-01-09 22:51 Wh1teh: halogen also said that it's better
2017-01-09 22:52 juankristal: did we check the hyper?
2017-01-09 22:52 juankristal: *another
2017-01-09 22:52 Wh1teh: we check all the diffs from easier to hardest
2017-01-09 22:52 juankristal: really?
2017-01-09 22:52 juankristal: I dont remember saying a thing about the last one
2017-01-09 22:52 Wh1teh: up until black another
2017-01-09 22:52 Wh1teh: I mean
2017-01-09 22:53 juankristal: okey
2017-01-09 22:54 Wh1teh: idk if u wanted to say something about another too
2017-01-09 22:56 juankristal: ACTION is editing [https://osu.ppy.sh/b/1002502 Colorful Sounds Port - ETERNAL DRAIN [Another]]
2017-01-09 22:56 juankristal: 01:24:735 (84735|2,84835|2) - I think its just that jack
2017-01-09 22:56 juankristal: that I would put it on the first column
2017-01-09 22:56 juankristal: 01:37:621 (97621|1,97721|1) - same for 4
2017-01-09 22:57 Wh1teh: any reason for that?
2017-01-09 22:58 Wh1teh: it's gonna be 2 minijacks in a row on one of the hands either way
2017-01-09 22:58 Wh1teh: but there's going to be a 3 note long jack soon after that on the left hand
2017-01-09 22:58 juankristal: I am psure you did that somewhere in the chart
2017-01-09 22:58 juankristal: hold on
2017-01-09 22:58 Wh1teh: you mean 2 minijacks on the same hand?
2017-01-09 22:58 Wh1teh: it's like that now too
2017-01-09 22:59 Wh1teh: but what I mean is that it's gonna happen either way
2017-01-09 22:59 juankristal: ye
2017-01-09 22:59 Wh1teh: why place that on the left hand when there's going to be a 3note jumpjack on the same hand almost right after
2017-01-09 22:59 juankristal: like, what I want is to have 1 minijack on each column
2017-01-09 22:59 juankristal: its true that having 2 in a row for left hand or the same hand is a thing
2017-01-09 23:00 Wh1teh: well there is one here 01:24:131 (84131|0,84231|0) -
2017-01-09 23:00 juankristal: lol true
2017-01-09 23:00 juankristal: 01:24:735 (84735|2,84835|2,84936|3,85037|3) - you still have those tho01:24:735 (84735|2,84835|2,84936|3,85037|3) -
2017-01-09 23:00 juankristal: wow double copypaste
2017-01-09 23:01 Wh1teh: yeah I mean it's not an issue that wasn't what I meant
2017-01-09 23:01 Wh1teh: I just see no reason to swap it
2017-01-09 23:02 juankristal: for me the swap was like, having jack on all columns but you had that first one
2017-01-09 23:02 juankristal: its like column 1 seems rather empty
2017-01-09 23:02 Wh1teh: I can move these notes
2017-01-09 23:02 Wh1teh: 01:24:936 (84936|1) -
2017-01-09 23:02 juankristal: it feels a bit unbalanced in my view
2017-01-09 23:03 juankristal: like, those are 01:24:332 (84332|2,84433|2,84533|3,84735|2,84835|2,84936|3,85037|3) - 7 notes for right hand
2017-01-09 23:03 juankristal: 01:24:533 (84533|1,84634|1,84936|1) - 3 for left one
2017-01-09 23:03 juankristal: 4 if you count the first minijack tho
2017-01-09 23:04 Wh1teh: http://puu.sh/tgPcP/0a41ae46e0.jpg ?
2017-01-09 23:04 juankristal: that looks fine for me
2017-01-09 23:05 Wh1teh: alright doing the same for the other one too
2017-01-09 23:05 juankristal: alright
2017-01-09 23:06 juankristal: the rest seems good
2017-01-09 23:06 juankristal: now for the real thing of the map
2017-01-09 23:09 juankristal: ACTION is editing [https://osu.ppy.sh/b/1104774 Colorful Sounds Port - ETERNAL DRAIN [Black Another]]
2017-01-09 23:09 juankristal: this is mostly just to make it a bit easier but I am fine if you want to keep it the way it is but I would ctrl+h 00:14:063 (14063|2,14114|1,14214|2,14315|1,14365|2,14466|1,14567|2,14667|1) - that
2017-01-09 23:10 juankristal: also those parts are starting with split handed jumps 2 times in a row then it goes for one hand jumps so that might be a better reason :p
2017-01-09 23:11 juankristal: 00:51:110 (51110|1,51211|1) - also I really dislike that minijack
2017-01-09 23:13 Wh1teh: the first point: looks nicer currently imo
2017-01-09 23:13 juankristal: for the second one I ended up with something like this https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/7018083
2017-01-09 23:13 juankristal: but maybe you can figure out something better
2017-01-09 23:14 Wh1teh: like the [12] [4] [12] at the end looks arguably bad
2017-01-09 23:14 Wh1teh: but if I ctrl+h that it's just gonna move to the beginning
2017-01-09 23:16 Wh1teh: yeah I like that pattern in the screenshot
2017-01-09 23:17 juankristal: then lets see
2017-01-09 23:17 juankristal: 00:53:124 - this part is a bit problematic too
2017-01-09 23:17 juankristal: its not that big of a deal since well, its not that jacky but some of the minijacks are a bit ouch
2017-01-09 23:18 Wh1teh: I think it's because a) the chart has a lot of minijacks anyway b) it's way shorter than chorus c) I already nerfed that section before d) you have to deal with that stuff in the chorus aswell
2017-01-09 23:19 Wh1teh: and it's kinda like a stepping stone if you're trying to for eternal
2017-01-09 23:20 juankristal: fair enough
2017-01-09 23:20 juankristal: I would still consider at least moving the position of the jacks if possible
2017-01-09 23:20 juankristal: 00:53:929 (53929|1,54030|1) - for example that
2017-01-09 23:21 juankristal: 00:53:577 (53577|0,53627|1,53728|0,53778|1,53879|0,53929|1,54030|1,54080|0) - you have those 8 against 4 notes in the right hand
2017-01-09 23:21 juankristal: plus the minijack
2017-01-09 23:22 juankristal: https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/7018158 dunno if that makes sense for you
2017-01-09 23:22 juankristal: 00:54:735 (54735|3,54835|3) - that one is fine
2017-01-09 23:23 juankristal: also is that 00:55:741 (55741|0,55741|1) - double intentional? It kinda sounds like vocal but its weird
2017-01-09 23:23 Wh1teh: yeah intentional
2017-01-09 23:24 Wh1teh: jumps are for when the singer accents the notes harder
2017-01-09 23:24 juankristal: alright
2017-01-09 23:25 juankristal: did the last pic made sense for you?
2017-01-09 23:25 Wh1teh: still trying to figure out a good pattern for that first one
2017-01-09 23:25 juankristal: because if thats the case I would ask for another one
2017-01-09 23:25 juankristal: o
2017-01-09 23:25 Wh1teh: I don't like the one in your screenshot
2017-01-09 23:25 juankristal: 1[23]4's? heh
2017-01-09 23:27 juankristal: something like this perhaps then? https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/7018198
2017-01-09 23:27 juankristal: it looks a bit less balanced tho tbh
2017-01-09 23:28 juankristal: https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/7018206 or that
2017-01-09 23:29 Wh1teh: http://puu.sh/tgQNs/dbf481842d.png
2017-01-09 23:29 juankristal: like it
2017-01-09 23:30 juankristal: 00:56:295 (56295|2,56396|2) - for this one I think just doing something like
2017-01-09 23:30 juankristal: 00:56:496 (56496|1,56547|2,56597|3) - moving this to left
2017-01-09 23:30 juankristal: 00:56:698 (56698|2) - and that to the right
2017-01-09 23:31 Wh1teh: god why does it take so long to upload to puush
2017-01-09 23:31 Wh1teh: http://puu.sh/tgQWw/9a71fb266c.png
2017-01-09 23:31 Wh1teh: that's probably a bit clearer to read
2017-01-09 23:31 juankristal: puush is not doing well lately
2017-01-09 23:31 juankristal: idk why
2017-01-09 23:31 juankristal: yeah thats a lot clearer
2017-01-09 23:32 juankristal: alright now for the chorus
2017-01-09 23:32 juankristal: 01:14:768 (74768|0,74818|2,74869|0,74919|2) - :thinking:
2017-01-09 23:32 juankristal: 01:14:818 (74818|2,74919|2) - I dont think this one is necesary
2017-01-09 23:32 juankristal: note that you didnt even used a minijack in the eternal diff
2017-01-09 23:34 Wh1teh: http://puu.sh/tgR8Y/f592ca9034.png to the first one
2017-01-09 23:35 Wh1teh: oh right they were the same timestamp
2017-01-09 23:36 juankristal: 01:16:429 (76429|2,76530|2) - shouldnt be blue-white tick minijack?
2017-01-09 23:36 juankristal: instead of yellow
2017-01-09 23:36 juankristal: 01:16:983 (76983|1,77084|1) - as well not necesary
2017-01-09 23:36 juankristal: 01:18:392 (78392|1,78493|1) - edgy but eeeeeeeeeeeee
2017-01-09 23:37 juankristal: 01:19:147 (79147|1,79248|1) - not necesary
2017-01-09 23:37 juankristal: sorry if this sounds a bit rushed/harsh I just want to point them all so I dont forget them xD
2017-01-09 23:37 Wh1teh: okay that last one I would probably remove
2017-01-09 23:38 Wh1teh: but the other ones are trying to follow the vocals, a minijack before or after the syllable was my logic when I charted it iirc
2017-01-09 23:39 juankristal: mmh
2017-01-09 23:39 juankristal: it looks like you want to make it a minijack before each double
2017-01-09 23:39 juankristal: for me at least
2017-01-09 23:40 Wh1teh: yeah before after or during to create some variations
2017-01-09 23:40 Wh1teh: variation
2017-01-09 23:40 juankristal: mmh
2017-01-09 23:41 juankristal: alright then
2017-01-09 23:41 juankristal: 01:20:708 (80708|1,80808|1) - did I mentioned this one?
2017-01-09 23:42 Wh1teh: no
2017-01-09 23:42 juankristal: I think its better to accentuate the vocals on 01:21:110 (81110|1,81211|2) - those than the ones I just pointed
2017-01-09 23:43 juankristal: or wait
2017-01-09 23:43 juankristal: you actually do that 01:21:312 (81312|1,81412|1) - here
2017-01-09 23:43 juankristal: well then the first jack is weird then for me
2017-01-09 23:44 juankristal: also I believe this 01:21:563 (81563|2,81664|2) - minijack should be used around 01:22:016 - here
2017-01-09 23:44 juankristal: 01:27:654 (87654|3,87704|1,87755|3,87805|1) - same as mentioned before
2017-01-09 23:44 juankristal: 01:28:359 (88359|2,88409|1) - probably move to right hand to make it more balanced (minijack on left)
2017-01-09 23:45 juankristal: 01:29:969 (89969|2) - move to 4 probably, that minijack seems to be not necesary
2017-01-09 23:45 juankristal: 01:31:278 (91278|2,91379|2) - same
2017-01-09 23:45 juankristal: 01:33:594 (93594|2,93694|2) - same as the first one of this wave
2017-01-09 23:45 juankristal: 01:34:550 (94550|1) - to 4
2017-01-09 23:46 juankristal: 01:34:902 - and missing jack here
2017-01-09 23:46 juankristal: 01:36:412 (96412|1) - not a fan of the jack before the transition but okey, maybe to 1
2017-01-09 23:46 juankristal: altho, anchor
2017-01-09 23:46 juankristal: and that seems to be it
2017-01-10 00:31 juankristal: alright
2017-01-10 00:32 juankristal: you there?
2017-01-10 00:33 Wh1teh: yeah
2017-01-10 00:34 juankristal: alright

discord
Wh1teh - Yesterday at 11:49 PM
did u time out?
juankristal - Yesterday at 11:50 PM

Rain killed me
It was a lot worse
Wh1teh - Yesterday at 11:51 PM
rip
alright well all of this is gonna take a bit of my time to fix
juankristal - Yesterday at 11:51 PM
In any case they were just those min jacks
Wh1teh - Yesterday at 11:51 PM
I think I'll make it easier since the starrating dropped
I'll reduce the minijacks to the jumps
juankristal - Yesterday at 11:52 PM
I like the minijack introduction for spread reasons but yeh
Maybe make them more predictable
Although making them without the doubles should be easy enough to read hit
At that point of difficulty
Wh1teh - Yesterday at 11:53 PM
honestly if they are always in the same spot and I do it for every syllable it will either be same pattern over and over again
or just super gay
so I'll just limit it to the jumps
juankristal - Yesterday at 11:53 PM
gay
January 10, 2017
Wh1teh - Today at 12:20 AM
is it a thunder storm?
juankristal - Today at 12:20 AM
it was just a big ass rain
flooded the fuck out of the city
but now we are fine
Wh1teh - Today at 12:21 AM
crazy weather
juankristal - Today at 12:21 AM
yeah
you are done with that?
Wh1teh - Today at 12:26 AM
uhh yea I think
juankristal - Today at 12:26 AM
update it then
Wh1teh - Today at 12:26 AM
already did
juankristal - Today at 12:26 AM
o okey
good, it looks fine for me
time for eternal then
Wh1teh - Today at 12:28 AM
back to irc?
juankristal - Today at 12:28 AM
yup
juankristal
thats all I needed. Good luck with this man, call me if you need something o7

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Aruel
Hey I wonder what will happen if qualify or bubble post is a kind of spam

2017-01-20 19:19 Wh1teh: hello
2017-01-20 19:19 Fresh Chicken: oh man
2017-01-20 19:19 Fresh Chicken: lemme check Eternal quickly first
2017-01-20 19:19 Fresh Chicken: I have plans today, I forget that sorry ;_;
2017-01-20 19:20 Fresh Chicken: 00:06:714 - Missing one,00:05:104 - 00:05:909 - those are same parts, which you 2 note'd on main synth
2017-01-20 19:21 Wh1teh: hmm I don't understand
2017-01-20 19:21 Wh1teh: what am I missing
2017-01-20 19:21 Wh1teh: I see doubles on all of those timestamps
2017-01-20 19:22 Fresh Chicken: oh wait
2017-01-20 19:22 Fresh Chicken: wtf
2017-01-20 19:22 Fresh Chicken: sorry it's my bad
2017-01-20 19:22 Fresh Chicken: damn how do I see 2 as 1
2017-01-20 19:23 Fresh Chicken: 00:25:238 - I think here should be double like you did on 00:21:211 - 00:22:016 - 00:22:822 - 00:24:433 -
2017-01-20 19:23 Fresh Chicken: 00:30:070 - same
2017-01-20 19:24 Wh1teh: no, it follows the synth which goes on these notes here 00:24:936 - 00:25:137 - 00:25:339 -
2017-01-20 19:24 Fresh Chicken: ok then
2017-01-20 19:24 Fresh Chicken: 00:55:741 (55741|1) - how about to move it to 1, for more balance
2017-01-20 19:24 Fresh Chicken: hmm but
2017-01-20 19:25 Fresh Chicken: if you intended this 00:55:741 (55741|1,55792|2,55842|1,55892|0,56094|2,56144|1,56194|2,56245|3) - mirror, then it's fine to keep
2017-01-20 19:25 Wh1teh: yes and also to emphasize the vocal
2017-01-20 19:26 Fresh Chicken: 01:20:053 (80053|2,80104|3,80204|2) - how about to make it 4-3-4, just I feel that is more better to play
2017-01-20 19:28 Wh1teh: I think it looks uglier and also doesn't improve playablity that much
2017-01-20 19:28 Wh1teh: there is already a minijack on 4 earlier
2017-01-20 19:28 Fresh Chicken: ok
2017-01-20 19:29 Fresh Chicken: 01:55:137 - ~ 01:55:943 - I think we can put more notes in this section, like this part has 1/8 stream + drum sound which sounds more harder than just 1/8 streams. But they have same pattern so well, we can put more notes
2017-01-20 19:30 Wh1teh: hmm
2017-01-20 19:30 Wh1teh: 1 here 01:55:339 - and here01:55:741 - is enough?
2017-01-20 19:30 Fresh Chicken: oh 1/2
2017-01-20 19:30 Wh1teh: I don't want to make it too messy
2017-01-20 19:31 Fresh Chicken: haha I see, that is good too
2017-01-20 19:31 Wh1teh: done
2017-01-20 19:31 Fresh Chicken: 01:58:157 (118157|1,118157|2,118258|0,118258|1,118359|1,118359|3,118359|2,118359|0) - kinda not structure, what do you thinik about it
2017-01-20 19:31 Fresh Chicken: *think
2017-01-20 19:31 Fresh Chicken: well it's my personal
2017-01-20 19:32 Wh1teh: I don't have issues with it
2017-01-20 19:32 Wh1teh: 01:57:654 (117654|2,117654|3,117755|3,117855|2,117956|3,118057|2,118057|3,118157|2) -
2017-01-20 19:32 Wh1teh: already stuff on the right hand
2017-01-20 19:33 Wh1teh: so it's fine to have challenge for the left hand too
2017-01-20 19:33 Fresh Chicken: 01:58:157 (118157|1,118258|0,118258|1,118359|1,118359|0) - I get 50 or miss here always so I just said that lol
2017-01-20 19:33 Fresh Chicken: anyway I have to go now first, my friends are trying to killing me now
2017-01-20 19:33 Wh1teh: when shall we finish this?
2017-01-20 19:33 Fresh Chicken: Can we continue this tomorrow? or ?
2017-01-20 19:33 Fresh Chicken: Eternal is finished first
2017-01-20 19:33 Wh1teh: same time?
2017-01-20 19:34 Fresh Chicken: hmm I guess?
2017-01-20 19:34 Wh1teh: yeah see you tomorrow
2017-01-20 19:34 Wh1teh: thank you
2017-01-20 19:34 Fresh Chicken: cya boii
2017-01-21 21:32 Fresh Chicken: whe
2017-01-21 21:32 Fresh Chicken: wheeee
2017-01-21 21:33 Wh1teh: wee
2017-01-21 21:33 Fresh Chicken: ACTION is editing [https://osu.ppy.sh/b/1104774 Colorful Sounds Port - ETERNAL DRAIN [Black Another]]
2017-01-21 21:36 Fresh Chicken: 00:53:124 - ~ 00:56:345 - What is your intention of 2 notes in this section?
2017-01-21 21:36 Fresh Chicken: I feel kinda random
2017-01-21 21:37 Fresh Chicken: 00:55:741 (55741|0,55741|1) - especially this
2017-01-21 21:37 Wh1teh: it's the vocals, emphasizing the wrong syllabels
2017-01-21 21:38 Fresh Chicken: hmm then is this your intention?
2017-01-21 21:38 Wh1teh: yes
2017-01-21 21:38 Fresh Chicken: oki
2017-01-21 21:41 Fresh Chicken: I personally want that you disperse it half 01:26:144 - 01:39:030 - , I think they are so hard in Black Another
2017-01-21 21:41 Fresh Chicken: *Insane difficulty
2017-01-21 21:42 Wh1teh: 4 notes?
2017-01-21 21:42 Fresh Chicken: ye like http://osu.ppy.sh/ss/7113286
2017-01-21 21:42 Wh1teh: https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/7113284 this is ok?
2017-01-21 21:42 Fresh Chicken: oh good
2017-01-21 21:43 Fresh Chicken: ok Black Another is fine~
2017-01-21 21:43 Fresh Chicken: ACTION is editing [https://osu.ppy.sh/b/1002502 Colorful Sounds Port - ETERNAL DRAIN [Another]]
2017-01-21 21:47 Fresh Chicken: oh Another is great
2017-01-21 21:47 Fresh Chicken: ACTION is editing [https://osu.ppy.sh/b/1002503 Colorful Sounds Port - ETERNAL DRAIN [Hyper]]
2017-01-21 21:47 Fresh Chicken: HiHiHyper
2017-01-21 21:53 Fresh Chicken: ACTION is editing [https://osu.ppy.sh/b/1002540 Colorful Sounds Port - ETERNAL DRAIN [Beginner]]
2017-01-21 21:53 Fresh Chicken: 00:33:795 (33795|1) - F hitsound should be Drum Sampleset
2017-01-21 21:54 Wh1teh: yeah
2017-01-21 21:54 Wh1teh: but the whistle isn't, should I just remove whistle?
2017-01-21 21:55 Fresh Chicken: oh that was a problem
2017-01-21 21:55 Fresh Chicken: hmm I think remove whustle is a good way
2017-01-21 21:55 Wh1teh: done
2017-01-21 21:58 Fresh Chicken: ok all diffs are fine
2017-01-21 21:58 Wh1teh: nice!
2017-01-21 21:58 Wh1teh: thank you
2017-01-21 21:58 Wh1teh: I'll update
2017-01-21 21:58 Fresh Chicken: okay
2017-01-21 21:59 Wh1teh: done
2017-01-21 22:00 Wh1teh: so was there a rule that juan has to wait 24 hours to icon after you bubble or something
2017-01-21 22:01 Wh1teh: if I understood right
2017-01-21 22:01 Fresh Chicken: yup
2017-01-21 22:01 Fresh Chicken: bubble -> wait over the 24 hours -> able to qualify wheeeeee
2017-01-21 22:01 Wh1teh: alright
2017-01-21 22:01 Wh1teh: thank you so much
2017-01-21 22:02 Fresh Chicken: No problem boi
2017-01-21 22:02 Fresh Chicken: let me upload IRC first
Aruel
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Soul Evans
Dude nice
Akasha-
Is the mp3 was edited? From 1/4 harp, kick sounds to 1/8 harp, kick sounds?
I notice that the original BMS version is strongly different from the mp3 you're using
Topic Starter
Wh1teh

Raymond wrote:

Is the mp3 was edited? From 1/4 harp, kick sounds to 1/8 harp, kick sounds?
I notice that the original BMS version is strongly different from the mp3 you're using
it's the delaymaster+
juankristal
is the eternal meme finished!?!?!11?!1!1!!1
Feerum
Hello Wh1teh!

I found several things in your beatmap which needs to get fixed before this beatmap can be moved forward.

Ranking Criteria wrote:

Every .wav file must be at least 100ms long to prevent issues with soundcards. If you want a silent/blank hitsound, then you must use a 0-byte .wav file.
Your "soft-hitnormal is only 73ms long. As you can see here:

Furthermore i'm a bit dissatisfied about the hitsound usage, overall the hitsounding is correct but sometimes the hitsounds get too loud.
As example in the Beginner difficulty. You have from here 00:33:795 - 60% hitsound volume and suddenly at 00:53:124 - to 80% while the music doesn't get louder or anything. I recommend you to use for Beginner and Normal difficulty one volume for the whole song. 55% would i recommend and in the Kiai sections 70%.

This being said, i also found in the higher difficulties some time stamps where you did use a hitsound two times what also causes that the hitsound get's suddenly way louder played than intended.

As example in the Hyper:
01:26:949 (86949|0,86949|1) - /same time stamp in the Another.
00:56:345 (56345|3,56345|2) - here as example in Eternal

Please recheck every difficulty carefully fore more.

One more thing. Can you please link me where you got the edited .mp3?
You said it's a "delaymaster+" but this tells me absolute nothing.

With this being said, i disqualify this beatmap for now.
stupud man

Feerum wrote:

One more thing. Can you please link me where you got the edited .mp3?
You said it's a "delaymaster+" but this tells me absolute nothing.
Hi I'd just like to post about something I have a bit of knowledge about. Wh1teh is referring to the DELAYMASTER+ difficulty of this song in BMS (as seen here). Anybody who is confused about the BMS mp3 sounding different is most likely looking at the wrong difficulty.
juankristal
oboi I fucked up
Topic Starter
Wh1teh

Feerum wrote:

Hello Wh1teh!

I found several things in your beatmap which needs to get fixed before this beatmap can be moved forward.

Ranking Criteria wrote:

Every .wav file must be at least 100ms long to prevent issues with soundcards. If you want a silent/blank hitsound, then you must use a 0-byte .wav file.
Your "soft-hitnormal is only 73ms long. As you can see here:
Fixed!

Furthermore i'm a bit dissatisfied about the hitsound usage, overall the hitsounding is correct but sometimes the hitsounds get too loud.
As example in the Beginner difficulty. You have from here 00:33:795 - 60% hitsound volume and suddenly at 00:53:124 - to 80% while the music doesn't get louder or anything. I recommend you to use for Beginner and Normal difficulty one volume for the whole song. 55% would i recommend and in the Kiai sections 70%. Did the 70% for kiai and 55% during rest of the song for beginner and normal.

This being said, i also found in the higher difficulties some time stamps where you did use a hitsound two times what also causes that the hitsound get's suddenly way louder played than intended.

As example in the Hyper:
01:26:949 (86949|0,86949|1) - /same time stamp in the Another. I used finish+drum for 01:14:063 - & - 01:39:835 - which is even louder, but I'll guess it's the best to change it to match those two.
00:56:345 (56345|3,56345|2) - here as example in Eternal Probably a remnant of some old idea that I had that I can't really explain, so I'll change it to drum+auto.

Please recheck every difficulty carefully fore more.

One more thing. Can you please link me where you got the edited .mp3?
You said it's a "delaymaster+" but this tells me absolute nothing. Explained in irc. Also the post under Feerum's has a link to a youtube video.

With this being said, i disqualify this beatmap for now.
Listened through all diffs and fixed:
01:11:949 - on Eternal having 2 claps

Thank you for pointing these out Feerum.

Also thank you everyone for all the support!
Re-DL if you experienced any hitsound issues.
Aruel
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juankristal
Well, I went into a look into the editor, played all the diffs with 0% music volume to find inconsistency in the hitsounds but I didnt find anything weird so just call me when the cooldown is over so I get to qualify this (tho I might have a difficult time)
Kamikaze
Alright, since juan didn't make it before his trip to US (and he'll be back in 4 weeks), I'll do the honors instead of him. Rechecked to be sure, should be all fine.

Requalified!
Rivals_7
hello wh1teh, I had something in mind while looking at this map. especially about the diff gap between Normal and Hyper. which I think is kinda too big

00:09:634 - on Hyper. I think its kinda too dense compared with normal which have barely any notes there

would like to suggest to make it simplified into only 1/2 on every synth rather this 1/4 synths stream. i dont think some novice players cant transitioning into such hard pattern suddenly.
apparently its the 1/4 synth seems the same as Another so difficulty progression will be like Normal ->almost no notes, Hyper -> 1/2 synth, Another -> 1/4 synth.

00:20:104 - I have no idea how is this could be more simplified. But anyways in Normal, you only use one LN here which is kinda "light" for covering such a dense stream. having 2 LNs would be a good idea.

00:32:990 -

from a 1/1 main beat into 1/4 jumpthrill? that sounds kinda harsh. i think you can reduce that to just one note each. that would be much more convenient for the difficulty progression


the rest seems i'm gonna repeating myself since its kinda similar.
would like to hear your opinion about it c:
Topic Starter
Wh1teh

Rivals_7 wrote:

hello wh1teh, I had something in mind while looking at this map. especially about the diff gap between Normal and Hyper. which I think is kinda too big

00:09:634 - on Hyper. I think its kinda too dense compared with normal which have barely any notes there
http://puu.sh/tB0lG/d725d54a1a.jpg
would like to suggest to make it simplified into only 1/2 on every synth rather this 1/4 synths stream. i dont think some novice players cant transitioning into such hard pattern suddenly.
apparently its the 1/4 synth seems the same as Another so difficulty progression will be like Normal ->almost no notes, Hyper -> 1/2 synth, Another -> 1/4 synth. While it might look dense, the patterns in hyper are really easy both in terms of reading and playing. Especially leading up to the [12] [34] [12], it's basically just a really slow roll.
While in normal I think accenting these sounds makes up for a really cool effect. Also after that you get a really challenging section so it's not a bad thing to give the players time to "reset" their hands before that.


00:20:104 - I have no idea how is this could be more simplified. But anyways in Normal, you only use one LN here which is kinda "light" for covering such a dense stream. having 2 LNs would be a good idea. It's just a roll, from this skill range onward players have to deal with this kind of pattern constantly in many ranked maps. And trust me I tried to simplify it before, 1/4, 1/2 etc. Everything just looked and felt arbitrary and didn't make any sense to me no matter how much I tried to believe.

00:32:990 -
http://puu.sh/tB1jZ/8f3ba896c6.jpg
from a 1/1 main beat into 1/4 jumpthrill? that sounds kinda harsh. i think you can reduce that to just one note each. that would be much more convenient for the difficulty progression Honestly, jumptrills are one of the easiest patterns in this game, if you've mastered Normal you should the very least be able to handle this pattern. Normal has two-handed trills in the latter half of the map, it's not really that much more effort to jumptrill vs. single note trill. (Even tho starrating would have you believe otherwise...)

http://puu.sh/tB1hs/174675c82e.jpg

the rest seems i'm gonna repeating myself since its kinda similar.
would like to hear your opinion about it c: As I've disqussed with juan and several other people, Hyper is way overrated, should be almost .4* lower in my opinion. The reason for this is that while it's dense in terms of notes, the patterns make the notes really easy to hit. Not many one-handed trills, no heavy anchors etc. I wanted Hyper to be a nice introductory to somewhat denser jumpstream and I think I succeeded in doing that.
And while Hyper is overrated I think Normal might even be a bit underrated, not by much but still. My goal there was to force the players to learn more complex rhythms and patterns, such as gallops, slow "minijacks", two-handed notes and two-handed trills.
My overall thoughts on this is that Normal looks super easy to an experienced player, when it definitely isn't. And to a player that doesn't analyze jumpstreams patterns a lot, might be hard to pinpoint why the patterns feel so easy in Hyper, even tho it looks so dense (Kinda like the opposite case where sometimes I would hear people complain that they couldn't pass the old 4K dan with Candy Galy, and couldn't pinpoint why. The reason was heavy anchors on the index finger).
Arzenvald
i was also concerned about the Normal-Hyper gap while modding but considering its only 149 bpm with only 2 minutes duration, playable-wise 1/4 & 1/8 stream patterns, and the actual gap between beginner > normal & hyper > another is also quiet big & appropriately progressing if you play it, i think they are designed to have similar big gaps from one to each other, that's why i didn't really bothered much about it.

reducing most parts in hyper would make hyper-another gap even bigger, but i agree somehow with rivals where the beginning part could use less 1/4, at least until 00:11:245 (11245|3) -
toning down the beginning part would give lesser impression of, endless feeling of playing constant 1/4 streams, if that make sense.

hmm
Topic Starter
Wh1teh

ajeemaniz wrote:

i was also concerned about the Normal-Hyper gap while modding but considering its only 149 bpm with only 2 minutes duration, playable-wise 1/4 & 1/8 stream patterns, and the actual gap between beginner > normal & hyper > another is also quiet big & appropriately progressing if you play it, i think they are designed to have similar big gaps from one to each other, that's why i didn't really bothered much about it.

reducing most parts in hyper would make hyper-another gap even bigger, but i agree somehow with rivals where the beginning part could use less 1/4, at least until 00:11:245 (11245|3) - Ehhh, if I did that the 1/4 streams would really pop out as "where the hell did these come from all of a sudden" more than anything.
toning down the beginning part would give lesser impression of, endless feeling of playing constant 1/4 streams, if that make sense.

hmm
I've tried to think of a way of saying this without sounding like an elitist or something. But if you can't play a chart then u play something else and come back later, simple as that. I don't think the gaps are unreasonable here between any of the diffs, if you can barely S Normal, Hyper is going to give you issues. Same goes between any diff, S on Hyper does not mean you will be able to handle the density and minijacks of Another. Handling the minijacks and the density of Another masterfully does not mean you will be able to perform well on Black Another. S on Black Another doesn't guarantee you a pass on Eternal.
The point of the first 2 diffs from my point of view is to give new players an introduction to what the game has to offer, to be able to play a song that they like. Not to solely train the player for the next diff. Act more like a stepping stone to try out more maps.
Also my point still stands, the patterns are really easy. And as ajeemaniz said, you have to keep in mind it's only 149bpm. This is almost as easy as jumpstream can get.
Arzenvald
May the fennec bless this map xd
Also gl
Jinjin
eternally ranked
eternal meme
grats :V
[Crz]Makii
such a crazy map,dump 1/8 notes makes me afraid loooool
Topic Starter
Wh1teh
And we hit 200 favs. Thank you all for your support! I'm still amazed how big this mapset got, I would've never had the mental power to rank this without you guys!
Arzenvald
bOI!
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