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Kuki
quick cute mod

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i don't think your preview point accurately sounds like the difficulty you're preparing to play. granted, the star rating is there to view but i think this could confuse some people whereas you could have the preview point at somewhere more like 01:33:516 - which i think not only makes the difficulty in the map audibly clear, but also makes for a much more 'intense' part of the song to be featured, making it more attractive to people who hear the map's preview.

your background quality is quite bad, and it doesn't fit most of the song itself (i say this because it only really fits in the slower portions of the song). i would consider trying to find a higher quality version of your current bg, or just changing it entirely. something like this perhaps, as i think it's at the same time soft for the slower parts, but also bright and neon for the kiai. if you don't like this particular bg i still strongly suggest you try and find another one as i don't think the quality of your current bg is good, nor does it fit with the song.

your mp3 is only 128kbps, contrary to the limit of 192kbps which most should try to use. a lower bitrate on this song means a lot of the synths cut off + most bass will cut off at the low end aswell, really cutting out a chunk of quality, especially for this kind of song. i had a quick look and found an official download link from the artist, and converted it to 192kbps for you already so all you need to do is chuck in the mp3, which you can download here.
01:31:694 (8,1,2,3,4) - this part in the stream is a little off, you have a continuous curve going into a really weak one. i'd think about changing it to something more like this (a smoother, circle-ish shape), as it looks cleaner and flows much nicer.

the screenshot i used was more of a rough draft but i suggest maybe even utilizing some of the convert slider to stream + polygon circle features when you are making larger streams like this and you want them to look nice.

01:36:088 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7) - i feel like the spacing is waaay too low here, it's really boring to play and slows down the cursor soo much. i suggest maybe removing these altogether and trying to map it a different rhythm, maybe like this. remember that if you did make the changes here, repeat them in other sections of the map where you have done the same, and maybe spice things up with another rhythm change.

01:38:980 (4,5) - the flow here generally is quite lacking. you should try and rearrange the notes so the cursor moves from 01:38:659 (1) - to 01:39:088 (5) - instead to make it smoother, as currently the transition from (4) - (5) is quite straight and considering you have to move upwards on the slider following it, quite uncomfortable aswell.

01:41:230 (1,2,3,4,5,1,2,3) - the spacing here is quite ridiculous, and doesn't fit well at all, though the 8bit sounds are very clear they are not very strong. you need to place specific emphasis on kicks here 01:41:659 (1) - and 01:42:088 (3) -, not place emphasis on 01:41:445 (3) - and 01:41:605 (5) -, as they don't have a particular reason to have emphasis, whereas the kicks do.

02:29:873 (4,5,6) - the overlaps here aren't very aesthetically pleasing, consider something more like this to fix, imo this actually fits better anyway.

still heaps of issues, which for a beginner, is normal. it'll take a while for this set to be qualified but i hope that when it does i'll agree with the level of quality lmao.

good luck with the set, keep on keepin' on 8-)
Topic Starter
-[ Prxzm ]-

-Faded- wrote:

Hey, m4m from #modreqs

[General]
  1. Check AIMod, some objects aren't snapped. One :P Fixed.
  2. I found a watermark at the top left of the image, which is bad because it detracts detail from the image and breaks immersion during play. I made a version without it: http://puu.sh/oQwK8/28a0421e51.jpg Thank you so much!! I'm amazed that you were able to remove the watermark and keep the cloudy "sky"!


[Undertale]
  1. 00:28:373 (4,5) - Make this rhythm more like 00:31:802 (5,6) - or 00:35:230 (5,6) - . It doesn't make much sense to keep it as it is, as that would be inconsistent with the music. This was an error from a previous mod. It was listed to change that part but not the other, and I'd completely forgotten there was another part similar to it. It's been fixed now :P
  2. 00:41:659 (1,2,3) - This pattern can be extremely awkward to read without looking at the approach circles because this is the first time 1/4 is introduced in the map. Replace with something like an ordinarily spaced triplet so people know the general rhythm, and then they'll have a generally idea of what to do when the pattern crops up again at 00:45:088 (1,2,3) - Fixed, but I think I fixed it in a terrible way. Will consider remapping in the future..
  3. 00:58:373 (1) - Curve this slider a bit more so that it blankets nicer over (2). You want to make sure the slidertrail and hitcircle are fully parallel. Fixed.
  4. 01:02:659 (2) - The blanket here could also use some work, move the head of the slider to x:388 y:156 to make it parallel with (1)'s slidertrail. Done!
  5. 01:05:230 (1,2) - Again, blankets, adjust each slider until the trails are parallel with each other. For general guidance, here's what it should look like. Fixed? I think?
  6. 01:06:945 (3,4,5,6) - Have a bit more variance here? The second set of notes in the music have a different tone, so you should have the second set of notes in a different place to reflect upon that. Fixed. The 4th and 6th note have the same pitch, so they're still in the same part, but the 5 has been moved lower to symbolize the lower pitch.
  7. 01:34:588 - Add a note here. Since you're mapping to the drums, it wouldn't make much sense to leave this part empty. It also feels tacky to play since the player has to wait a beat before hitting the next note, despite clearly hearing a drum sound that isn't mapped. Eh I didn't hear a drum at first. Fixed, but it kinda ruins the style I'd set up/am setting up. May remove in the future.
  8. 01:41:552 - Here's another missing beat. This is especially bad due to how it's 1/8, meaning players are likely to misread and hit 01:41:605 (5) - too early. I seriously recommend adding a note here. Unchanged. Play in 25% and you'll understand.
  9. 02:00:088 (3) - An NC would be really appropriate here, this is a downbeat and the music completely changes.
  10. 02:30:516 (1,2,3,4) - Make this a jump pattern, like the stars you've had in the kiai. The reason for this is because the music isolates all other instruments except for this, making it really powerful. Your beatmap should reflect upon that. Will fix at a later date.
  11. 02:32:016 (1) - Add a bit more variety in terms of slider shapes, seeing the same one for 15 seconds can feel a bit daunting. Same applies for 02:45:730 (1) - as well. Will work on a change.
  12. 02:58:159 (7,8) - Reduce the spacing between these notes since the intensity of the music has declined even further. Done.
  13. 03:51:730 - See 01:34:588 - Mh!
  14. 03:58:695 (7,8) - See 01:41:552 - Play in 25% speed.
  15. 04:06:373 (6,1,2) - This obtuse angle makes the transition into 1/4 really awkward, I'd make it much sharper so it's enjoyable to play. (<60°) Unchanged for now. Will change if it comes up in another mod.
  16. 04:22:802 (3) - For a nicer blanket, I would curve this slider a bit less. Like I said, make sure the blanket is fully parallel. Fixed.
  17. 04:24:088 (1,2) - Same issue here, curve this a bit less and make sure that the end of both sliders and the end of (1) are evenly spaced. Fixed.
  18. 04:21:945 (2,3) - I would replace these sliders with circles. This is because they're on relatively powerful beats, and having circles would make sure that they're all clickable. This is intentionally a slider section. Will consider changing if it comes up in another mod.
  19. 04:28:802 (2,3) - ^ ^
  20. 04:35:979 (4,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - Why have huge spaced streams on this relatively calm part of the song? You can have spaced streams for the build-up that's a few seconds later (as the music builds up, it should get harder not easier). You have to tone this down a bit. This is a part of the "Massively inconsistent difficulty throughout the song is being looked into." part of the "Known Problems and Planned Changes" section. Will specify and will fix at a future date.
  21. 04:47:659 (1,2,3,4) - See 02:30:516 (1,2,3,4) - Will fix at a later date.


This is a pretty nice map for the most part; keep an eye on rhythms and gameplay then your map will improve. I shot a star, good luck!
Thanks for the mod! ^~^
Topic Starter
-[ Prxzm ]-

Kuki wrote:

your background quality is quite bad, and it doesn't fit most of the song itself (i say this because it only really fits in the slower portions of the song). i would consider trying to find a higher quality version of your current bg, or just changing it entirely. something like this perhaps, as i think it's at the same time soft for the slower parts, but also bright and neon for the kiai. if you don't like this particular bg i still strongly suggest you try and find another one as i don't think the quality of your current bg is good, nor does it fit with the song.

Wtf? It's a background, not a hitcircle. You could literally use an anime girl for the bg and it'd still be rankable. Background images have nothing to do with song emphasis.
That aside, how dare you say the quality of the background is bad? This is some high quality shit. No pixels, round edges, strong detail in the setting (i.e. mountains, trees, clouds, etc.), a very good depiction of The Underground, good shading, a lot of different colours used to keep fine detail, and a lot of god damn hard work and dedication. There is absolutely nothing wrong with the quality of the background. It is beautiful, not fuzzy, not blurry, and not pixelated. I am insulted! >:(

That aside, MrSergio and Kuki, I won't be able to get to your mods until tomorrow. I have looked at the mods but have not applied them, and Kudosu has been given, but only -Faded-'s mod is in the recent update. Howbeit, I have added the combo colours in, Sergio.
Topic Starter
-[ Prxzm ]-

-Faded- wrote:

Hey, m4m from #modreqs

[General]
  1. Check AIMod, some objects aren't snapped.
  2. I found a watermark at the top left of the image, which is bad because it detracts detail from the image and breaks immersion during play. I made a version without it: http://puu.sh/oQwK8/28a0421e51.jpg


[Undertale]
  1. 00:28:373 (4,5) - Make this rhythm more like 00:31:802 (5,6) - or 00:35:230 (5,6) - . It doesn't make much sense to keep it as it is, as that would be inconsistent with the music.
  2. 00:41:659 (1,2,3) - This pattern can be extremely awkward to read without looking at the approach circles because this is the first time 1/4 is introduced in the map. Replace with something like an ordinarily spaced triplet so people know the general rhythm, and then they'll have a generally idea of what to do when the pattern crops up again at 00:45:088 (1,2,3) - .
  3. 00:58:373 (1) - Curve this slider a bit more so that it blankets nicer over (2). You want to make sure the slidertrail and hitcircle are fully parallel.
  4. 01:02:659 (2) - The blanket here could also use some work, move the head of the slider to x:388 y:156 to make it parallel with (1)'s slidertrail.
  5. 01:05:230 (1,2) - Again, blankets, adjust each slider until the trails are parallel with each other. For general guidance, here's what it should look like.
  6. 01:06:945 (3,4,5,6) - Have a bit more variance here? The second set of notes in the music have a different tone, so you should have the second set of notes in a different place to reflect upon that.
  7. 01:34:588 - Add a note here. Since you're mapping to the drums, it wouldn't make much sense to leave this part empty. It also feels tacky to play since the player has to wait a beat before hitting the next note, despite clearly hearing a drum sound that isn't mapped.
  8. 01:41:552 - Here's another missing beat. This is especially bad due to how it's 1/8, meaning players are likely to misread and hit 01:41:605 (5) - too early. I seriously recommend adding a note here.
  9. 02:00:088 (3) - An NC would be really appropriate here, this is a downbeat and the music completely changes.
  10. 02:30:516 (1,2,3,4) - Make this a jump pattern, like the stars you've had in the kiai. The reason for this is because the music isolates all other instruments except for this, making it really powerful. Your beatmap should reflect upon that.
  11. 02:32:016 (1) - Add a bit more variety in terms of slider shapes, seeing the same one for 15 seconds can feel a bit daunting. Same applies for 02:45:730 (1) - as well.
  12. 02:58:159 (7,8) - Reduce the spacing between these notes since the intensity of the music has declined even further.
  13. 03:51:730 - See 01:34:588 -
  14. 03:58:695 (7,8) - See 01:41:552 -
  15. 04:06:373 (6,1,2) - This obtuse angle makes the transition into 1/4 really awkward, I'd make it much sharper so it's enjoyable to play. (<60°)
  16. 04:22:802 (3) - For a nicer blanket, I would curve this slider a bit less. Like I said, make sure the blanket is fully parallel.
  17. 04:24:088 (1,2) - Same issue here, curve this a bit less and make sure that the end of both sliders and the end of (1) are evenly spaced.
  18. 04:21:945 (2,3) - I would replace these sliders with circles. This is because they're on relatively powerful beats, and having circles would make sure that they're all clickable.
  19. 04:28:802 (2,3) - ^
  20. 04:35:979 (4,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - Why have huge spaced streams on this relatively calm part of the song? You can have spaced streams for the build-up that's a few seconds later (as the music builds up, it should get harder not easier). You have to tone this down a bit.
  21. 04:47:659 (1,2,3,4) - See 02:30:516 (1,2,3,4) -


This is a pretty nice map for the most part; keep an eye on rhythms and gameplay then your map will improve. I shot a star, good luck!
Something happened and the entire mod got deleted. Will have to reapply it later.
[ Drop ]
just wondering
How do you think about this map ?
Kuki

-[ Snowflake ]- wrote:

Wtf? It's a background, not a hitcircle. You could literally use an anime girl for the bg and it'd still be rankable. Background images have nothing to do with song emphasis.
actually, you couldn't (unless it's related somehow). backgrounds should represent the song as nicely as possible, why would i have a song like this fitted to a bg like this? certain parameters must be followed, unless you're in a circumstance where there is nothing you can directly trace back to the song that can be reliably used or at least incorporated.

-[ Snowflake ]- wrote:

That aside, how dare you say the quality of the background is bad? This is some high quality shit. No pixels, round edges, strong detail in the setting (i.e. mountains, trees, clouds, etc.), a very good depiction of The Underground, good shading, a lot of different colours used to keep fine detail, and a lot of god damn hard work and dedication. There is absolutely nothing wrong with the quality of the background. It is beautiful, not fuzzy, not blurry, and not pixelated. I am insulted! >:(
your background is 1193x670, contrary to the highest quality allowed (1366x768). stretched out onto a 1920x1080 screen, and coupled with the watermark, it looks bad. the "fine detail" of this piece is lost in the resolution.

i don't know why you would be insulted regardless.
_handholding
idk, the bg looks more than fine to me. Both in editor and whilst playing
Kuki

Kisses wrote:

idk, the bg looks more than fine to me. Both in editor and whilst playing
i assure you it's not as good as it could be regardless.
_handholding

Kuki wrote:

Kisses wrote:

idk, the bg looks more than fine to me. Both in editor and whilst playing
i assure you it's not as good as it could be regardless.
I feel like its good the way that it is as any more pixels would have too much detail and create a distracting bg
-Faded-
While I agree that the way he responded was inappropriate, you shouldn't force your suggestions onto the mapper unless it's something unrankable. Personally I like the BG and the fuzziness adds a warm, retro feel to the beatmap. This is subjective, and at the end of the day it is down to the mapper as to whether he/she wants to change it or not.
Kuki

Kisses wrote:

I feel like its good the way that it is as any more pixels would have too much detail and create a distracting bg
you just said that worse quality is important to have in a bg so it's less distracting? this is possibly one of the most ridiculous statements i've ever heard. if you played the map in 1024x768 it would be perfect quality, but i don't see how it could possibly be distracting in any sense of the word.

-Faded- wrote:

While I agree that the way he responded was inappropriate, you shouldn't force your suggestions onto the mapper unless it's something unrankable. Personally I like the BG and the fuzziness adds a warm, retro feel to the beatmap. This is subjective, and at the end of the day it is down to the mapper as to whether he/she wants to change it or not.
i wasn't forcing my suggestions.

you're saying that worse quality adds a retro feel? there are thousands of ways to edit an image to get a nicer looking image, with a nicer looking "retro" quality to it.

Kuki wrote:

i don't think the quality of your current bg is good

Kuki wrote:

i still strongly suggest you try and find another one
-Faded-

Kuki wrote:

i wasn't forcing my suggestions.
It definitely seems that way when you make three forum posts about it when the mapper had clearly stated that they don't want to change the bg.
Shizuku-
Why is this almost 6 stars? It's like every mod, it gets way harder.
Seijiro
I don't get it all.
This argument went on for already few days. Instead of keeping drama going on why not providing a better BG quality?

Also, unless the BG is really out of context, it's not even a problem for the ranking process.
Let's stop being stubborn for tiny matters, please.


rip my mod's reply :'(
_handholding

Kuki wrote:

Kisses wrote:

I feel like its good the way that it is as any more pixels would have too much detail and create a distracting bg
you just said that worse quality is important to have in a bg so it's less distracting? this is possibly one of the most ridiculous statements i've ever heard. if you played the map in 1024x768 it would be perfect quality, but i don't see how it could possibly be distracting in any sense of the word.
Im pretty sure that wasnt what I said at all you're just twisting my words to make yourself look big and right.
Kuki

Kisses wrote:

Im pretty sure that wasnt what I said at all you're just twisting my words to make yourself look big and right.
you said leaving it as it is (with a lower resolution) would be better, because if it was higher, it would be too distracting.

Kuki wrote:

you just said that worse quality is important to have in a bg so it's less distracting
like i said also, it's my opinion, there's no real right or wrong here, just lower or higher quality.

mrsergio, i searched for a higher quality bg, and there isn't one. i offered a high quality bg i found that i thought suited in it's place.

-faded-, i'm trying to explain myself further as so far it seems there isn't an understanding.

-[ snowflake ]-, if you don't want to use the bg i suggested i think you should try waifu2x or something to up the resolution.
Osuology
ok here we go

So, first of all, you said that massively inconsistent difficulty throughout the song is being looked into, and not to comment on it. And I'm not saying you shouldn't do this, but I want to make sure that you know the best option here (or at least, what I think is best). So, first of all, you have the option to change the slower easier parts to harder, or the harder parts to easier. The first option, I believe, would get the result you want, and be the easiest option, however it will lower the quality of your overall mapping. If you make the hard parts easier, the quality would go up because the difficulty is the same, but. The difficulty will suffer, and it will take quite a long time. Anyways, on to the mod.

00:28:373 (4,5) - The distance between these two represents a change in where the 5 exists right? It's not merely 1 blue tick apart, it's two. But when you get the same rhythm here: 00:30:088 (4,5,6) - You change to antijumps which doesn't represent the rhythm as it did before. Now, neither of these are bad, because they are consistent with themselves, but I would recommend sticking with one or the other, unless the rhythm sounds different enough to justify doing this.

00:41:659 (1,2,3) - This is awesome, I love technical maps, and it really calls for something different than just a triple conformed to DS. But the problem comes when you start to conform them to DS for a second, and then go back to this pattern. Again, stick with your patterns and don't leave them if the rhythm is the same.

00:50:230 (1,2,3) - DS between the 2 and the 3 is 2.34x, and has one follow point. But then here 00:52:052 (2,3) - they are 2.64 apart and have two follow points. This is quite ugly then, so remain consistent.

00:58:373 (1) - Would recommend curving this more such that the blanket looks better.

01:00:088 (1,1) - Try to avoid small overlaps like this, small overlaps are terrible. But, overlaps can be good. If you want to intentionally overlap something, try bisecting another slider, it looks quite good.

01:05:230 (1,2) - Once again with this blankets. They aren't so great, try to curve the 1 more and blanket the 2 better then.

01:06:945 (3,4,5,6) - Make the distance between this close to 1.21, it will look better and more consistent.

01:34:588 () - This should exist, I mean, just listen, it exists, and you map the exact same note multiple times over.

01:35:230 (1,2) - This works, but you can't just place it anywhere. If you want these to exist, structure needs to exist. 01:34:373 (1,2) - These two would have to have the same jump.

01:44:230 (3) - Why not blanket this?

01:41:445 (3,4,5,1) - I hope you realize these are like, 1/4 jumps at 280 bpm. I mean, if you remain consistent it's ok, but you aren't consistent with the WHOLE map. If it calls for it, it does. If it doesn't, it doesn't. I'm not sure exactly what I would say for this, but I would probably nerf the DS to... 1.41, versus the 1.88 you have now.

01:44:445 (4,5) - If you did decide to blanket the previous blanket suggestion, this jump needs nerfing.

01:55:588 (2) - Make this pattern a equilateral triangle, it fits better considering the time between notes.

02:05:230 (1) - Why is this NC? That doesn't make any sense to do.

02:08:659 (1) - At least you were consistent with it, but it still doesn't make sense considering in the previous section like this you didn't make a NC in these spots.

02:14:659 (5) - try this http://puu.sh/p8d8P/8884eb13d4.jpg

02:20:018 (3) - Unsnapped on start and finish.

02:20:659 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4) - I don't think this fits the noises here. Either go with your original triplet or repeating.


02:39:516 (3,4,5) - Why is the distance between the 3 and 4 four follow points, but between the 4 and 5 they are three? Be more consistent.

02:42:945 (3,4,5) - Since you copy and pasted it, ^

02:49:159 (1,2,3) - Distance isn't proper. two follow points.

02:58:480 (9) - Unsnapped green line around here.


02:59:230 () - Don't see why the break should start here really.

03:28:373 (3) - http://puu.sh/p8do1/e8ad7888cf.jpg (sorry puush sucks at selecting areas)

03:33:088 (2,3,4) - Distance between all these should be the same.

03:34:373 (4,1,2) - Why are these so close? Surely the 1 calls for a little bit of a jump.

03:34:802 (2,3) - Distance has 3 follow points, but 03:36:088 (1,2,3,4,5) - these only have two.

03:51:516 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1) - You copy pasted this stream from before so if you made changes to the previous one, make them to this one too.

Skipping fourth chorus...


04:24:088 (1,2) - pls. Just make it a proper blanket.

04:37:694 (8,1) - This calls for a stream jump.

04:39:409 (8,1) - ^

04:41:123 (8,1) - ^

04:57:945 (7) - Slightly offscreen, unrankable.

You did pretty good! You are progressing like a million times faster than I did! :)

<3
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