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Dank m8KanoSet wrote:
you are the chosen one to bring peace to this kingdom
Insecurity is oozing from this thread
Shrug, if I wanted to inflate my score, TV songs is an easy winner for taking advantage of PP. I honestly don't understand why there aren't (harsher) penalties for short songs.
At any rate: had my score at 10k whilst I nom'd off of short songs that were way over-valued for their difficulty. After I stopped caring about my rank and just played to improve? 24k. Huge difference, no?
I don't know what the algorithm is for PP and I don't think it's necessarily bad compared to the past systems, but it still leaves a lot to be desired.
At any rate: had my score at 10k whilst I nom'd off of short songs that were way over-valued for their difficulty. After I stopped caring about my rank and just played to improve? 24k. Huge difference, no?
I don't know what the algorithm is for PP and I don't think it's necessarily bad compared to the past systems, but it still leaves a lot to be desired.
Why?Khelly wrote:
mouse players are the most disgusting race on this planet
It's pretty balanced IMO. I would find a 10 minute 5.2* map easier to grind than a 1:30 5.8*+ map.NotAnHperV wrote:
Shrug, if I wanted to inflate my score, TV songs is an easy winner for taking advantage of PP. I honestly don't understand why there aren't (harsher) penalties for short songs.
There is a difference between 2 digits and 3 digits but there isn't much differencw between 15k and 10k for example
It all depends on person
It all depends on person
KukiMonster wrote:
Why?Khelly wrote:
mouse players are the most disgusting race on this planet
Using the box is heretical to the religion of the pen
To answer main question in the title: pp is not skill, but skill can get you pp.
Though you can't really have less skill, than the amount required to reach your pp.TheArchist wrote:
To answer main question in the title: pp is not skill, but skill can get you pp.
ThisShadyAngel wrote:
Though you can't really have less skill, than the amount required to reach your pp.TheArchist wrote:
To answer main question in the title: pp is not skill, but skill can get you pp.
Lola loli wrote:
Insecurity is oozing from this thread
Seriously PP means like fucking nothing as it's based on your achievement:play ratio and not farming for easy achievements (>TVSize) is going to literally only reward you once in a blue moon with a PP watermelon, it's an extremely vague representation of someone's skill though and you can probably judge off of their plays what they're best at, just not in any significant way as it only records some achievement.
Also, the fact that an FC is basically needed to get PP really limits what people are encouraged to get good at and see as metagame
The question is more along the lines of what skill do you value the most and in what relativity it has to ranking
Do you consider a player who can semi-accurately hit a 7* lesser than you cause he can't FC stuff 5* stuff? It's really up to you.
Also the way this game is fucking fundamentally made with all of the different possible playstyles, it's almost retarded to even have a ranking system. An example to bring into extreme just so happens to be touchscreen players.
Ironic how nearly all of the other game modes have a better concept in terms of equivalent ranking yet from my experience their systems are shit
Lmao no, not in any fucking way is this trueLampranthus wrote:
Seriously PP means like fucking nothing
????????Lampranthus wrote:
Also, the fact that an FC is basically needed to get PP really limits what people are encouraged to get good at and see as metagame
The whole idea of an AIM GAME such as this is to NOT MISS
If you MISS in an AIM GAME you should be appropriately NOT REWARDED
Are you really suggesting that we should reward people who don't hit the circles?
In terms of PP, he's at the level of whatever he can FC.Lampranthus wrote:
Do you consider a player who can semi-accurately hit a 7* lesser than you cause he can't FC stuff 5* stuff?
Very few players achieve strong duality. For most the gap between their skill ceiling and pp floor is quite large.ShadyAngel wrote:
Though you can't really have less skill, than the amount required to reach your pp.TheArchist wrote:
To answer main question in the title: pp is not skill, but skill can get you pp.
Woah calm down cheerio your hostility is ???Mahogany wrote:
Lmao no, not in any fucking way is this trueLampranthus wrote:
Seriously PP means like fucking nothing????????Lampranthus wrote:
Also, the fact that an FC is basically needed to get PP really limits what people are encouraged to get good at and see as metagame
The whole idea of an AIM GAME such as this is to NOT MISS
If you MISS in an AIM GAME you should be appropriately NOT REWARDED
Are you really suggesting that we should reward people who don't hit the circles?In terms of PP, he's at the level of whatever he can FC.Lampranthus wrote:
Do you consider a player who can semi-accurately hit a 7* lesser than you cause he can't FC stuff 5* stuff?
Did I kill your mom or something lol
(going to slip in that my next statement is going against the idea that PP is equivalent to rigid overall skill)
PP =/= skill; don't tell me someone who's rank is decaying at 1k just cause they're not farming is equivalent to someone who's on a daily mission to get one more PP. PP is equal to the amount of achievements someone has, don't tell me this isn't true lol
Not everyone actually plays the game to farm PP
and yeah man, it's an aim game, but the fact that you need an FC to get changes the metagame regardless even if it's the better system lol I never said anything about it being a bad one wtf
and yeah in terms of PP; this is why it's not valued at all to actually get better at harder things and instead improve what you're already good at
If someone wants to see improving accuracies on harder songs even if they don't FC as skill but PP represents FC ability, they won't regard that as a viable niche skill
It's relative
idk what you didn't get here
I literally don't see any way how you can reply to this with any contradiction lol
I don't know where you failed to read this.ShadyAngel wrote:
Though you can't really have less skill, than the amount required to reach your pp.TheArchist wrote:
To answer main question in the title: pp is not skill, but skill can get you pp.
Untrue. You cannot have a lot of PP without having a lot of skill.Lampranthus wrote:
PP =/= skill
Changes what metagame? FC has ALWAYS been the metagame.Lampranthus wrote:
but the fact that you need an FC to get changes the metagame
I have no idea wtf you're saying hereLampranthus wrote:
PP =/= skill; don't tell me someone who's rank is decaying at 1k just cause they're not farming is equivalent to someone who's on a daily mission to get one more PP.
Someone at 1k is generally more skilled than an average 2k player
Someone at 1k is generally less skilled than the average rank ~500 player
There's nothing more to understand here
TIL Aiming is easyLampranthus wrote:
this is why it's not valued at all to actually get better at harder things
They're then wrong because the goal of the aim game is to not miss anything, not to miss less but still with missingLampranthus wrote:
If someone wants to see improving accuracies on harder songs even if they don't FC as skill
I literally don't see how you can be this wrong about everythingLampranthus wrote:
I literally don't see any way how you can reply to this with any contradiction lol
The goal of the game is to aim without missing and then hit as accurately as possible for max pp :^)
You forgot to add in the part I edited in saying that in terms of rigid skill when comparing two players, you can't base their overall skill on PP. This is why we have PP farm maps and then normal mapsMahogany wrote:
Untrue. You cannot have a lot of PP without having a lot of skill.Lampranthus wrote:
PP =/= skill
But yeah generally speaking that's true
Wasn't referring to what this game has been; I was referring that in general FC requirement makes the game what it is and without it the metagame would be completely different.Mahogany wrote:
Changes what metagame? FC has ALWAYS been the metagame.Lampranthus wrote:
but the fact that you need an FC to get changes the metagame
>GenerallyMahogany wrote:
I have no idea wtf you're saying hereLampranthus wrote:
PP =/= skill; don't tell me someone who's rank is decaying at 1k just cause they're not farming is equivalent to someone who's on a daily mission to get one more PP.
Someone at 1k is generally more skilled than an average 2k player
Someone at 1k is generally less skilled than the average rank ~500 player
There's nothing more to understand here
And then you meet that one guy who kicks your ass straight to your face on deathstreams and retarded jumps but just cause he can't FC little boo boo best ppriends his rank is under yours and plenty others
Unless you mean FCing Best Friends is undisputed skill and that skill isn't relative and then at that point that's your choice to make
TIL easy is relativeMahogany wrote:
TIL Aiming is easyLampranthus wrote:
this is why it's not valued at all to actually get better at harder things
Lol look up relativity real quickMahogany wrote:
I literally don't see how you can be this wrong about everythingLampranthus wrote:
I literally don't see any way how you can reply to this with any contradiction lol
They're then wrong because the goal of the aim game is to not miss anything, not to miss less but still with missing[/quote]Lampranthus wrote:
If someone wants to see improving accuracies on harder songs even if they don't FC as skill
Wow since when can you decide what a viable goal is lmfao
I don't think I need to say that improving your accuracy on a song that is way beyond your level BPM-wise is a dumb skill unless you want to only FC low BPM pp farm maps idk
FCing aim charts is all that the game is yep yep
As others mentioned, rank shows how good you atleast are. Ofc you can be underranked but you can't be overranked.
That's my view on it atleast
That's my view on it atleast
Just ignore Mahogany, he's pretty autistic.
As for serious answer, ranking will always be relevant to skill in some sort of degree no matter the system, because it always requires some sort of skill to climb a ranking (unless you're rolling the RNG ladder).
That doesn't mean that a higher ranked player will always be better than the lower ranked player, it just means that the higher ranked player achieved something monumental whereas the lower ranked player hasn't, either because of a lack of skill or time.
As for serious answer, ranking will always be relevant to skill in some sort of degree no matter the system, because it always requires some sort of skill to climb a ranking (unless you're rolling the RNG ladder).
That doesn't mean that a higher ranked player will always be better than the lower ranked player, it just means that the higher ranked player achieved something monumental whereas the lower ranked player hasn't, either because of a lack of skill or time.
Yes you can, because all players have access to the exact same maps.Lampranthus wrote:
You forgot to add in the part I edited in saying that in terms of rigid skill when comparing two players, you can't base their overall skill on PP. This is why we have PP farm maps and then normal maps
Um, okay? I really don't get what sort of point you were trying to make by that.Lampranthus wrote:
I was referring that in general FC requirement makes the game what it is and without it the metagame would be completely different.
Yes, because your rank is determined by what you can FC. Have you played this game? If I can FC Best friendS and that person can't, then what does that say about our skills in comparison?Lampranthus wrote:
just cause he can't FC little boo boo best ppriends his rank is under yours and plenty others
If he had serious deathstreaming skills then that person would be able to earn PP on deathstream maps, and get a rank higher than mine. If they didn't, then they don't.
Um FCing best friends is skill because you need the aim to make the jumps, the speed to hit the circles, and the acc to hit stuff on time. Yes, FCing best friends does require skill, and you cannot dispute that.Lampranthus wrote:
Unless you mean FCing Best Friends is undisputed skill and that skill isn't relative and then at that point that's your choice to make
do you seriously not understand what aim meansLampranthus wrote:
Wow since when can you decide what a viable goal is lmfao
* All the ranking system and skill system is *Lampranthus wrote:
FCing aim charts is all that the game is yep yep
You can still play for fun m8
> literally called "a loli"a loli wrote:
Just ignore Mahogany, he's pretty autistic.
> calling other people autistic
Can't be bothered to reply to anything else but if you say best friends requires speed lmaoMahogany wrote:
Um FCing best friends is skill because you need the aim to make the jumps, the speed to hit the circles, and the acc to hit stuff on time. Yes, FCing best friends does require skill, and you cannot dispute that.Lampranthus wrote:
Unless you mean FCing Best Friends is undisputed skill and that skill isn't relative and then at that point that's your choice to make
And everything else you just said is an integral part of the game that is done through rote learning and not by honing any specific skillset considering best friends is like what OD8
And if your rank and skill level is determined by FCing Best Friends I might never play this game again; that's just a map you're required to play to stay viable in ranking at that point
Also if you're talking shit about some guy who's called a loli you might want to change your profile pic cause there are a lot of people who would disagree with your tastes too
Leave my good friend buny alone
Lampranthus wrote:
Can't be bothered to reply to anything else but if you say best friends requires speed lmao
And everything else you just said is an integral part of the game that is done through rote learning and not by honing any specific skillset considering best friends is like what OD8
And if your rank and skill level is determined by FCing Best Friends I might never play this game again; that's just a map you're required to play to stay viable in ranking at that point
Also if you're talking shit about some guy who's called a loli you might want to change your profile pic cause there are a lot of people who would disagree with your tastes too
And there falls the mask of the nice and empathic forum-user. Jumping onto the train of attacking players directly right away instead of keeping the discussion based on opinions, examples, arguments and bad arguments.
Uh yeah you need to be able to play 168bpm to play Best friendS duhLampranthus wrote:
Can't be bothered to reply to anything else but if you say best friends requires speed lmao
Someone who literally just started playing rhythm games might not have proper speed to keep up with the map accurately. So yeah, it requires speed.
I never said it required a lot of speed, it just requires speed in some form and quantity.
Not to mention if you're playing it DT. Especially if you're playing it DT.
But sure, everything I said is invalid because of your misunderstanding of a single point I made, whatever works for you.
Endaris you're my heroEndaris wrote:
And there falls the mask of the nice and empathic forum-user. Jumping onto the train of attacking players directly right away instead of keeping the discussion based on opinions, examples, arguments and bad arguments.
I'm talking shit about hypocrisy, not talking shit about people liking lolis. Lolis are fine.Lampranthus wrote:
Also if you're talking shit about some guy who's called a loli
Guys remember to play 3 star maps so you can eventually surpass the top players.
I never said I hated the MLP fandom, I just said that there are a ton of people who would disagree with it and they shouldn't be making fun of someone's ign lolEndaris wrote:
Lampranthus wrote:
Can't be bothered to reply to anything else but if you say best friends requires speed lmao
And everything else you just said is an integral part of the game that is done through rote learning and not by honing any specific skillset considering best friends is like what OD8
And if your rank and skill level is determined by FCing Best Friends I might never play this game again; that's just a map you're required to play to stay viable in ranking at that point
Also if you're talking shit about some guy who's called a loli you might want to change your profile pic cause there are a lot of people who would disagree with your tastes too
And there falls the mask of the nice and empathic forum-user. Jumping onto the train of attacking players directly right away instead of keeping the discussion based on opinions, examples, arguments and bad arguments.
But oops I'm getting pretty exhausted, should probably just leave
You just said that his name was autistic ???Mahogany wrote:
I'm talking shit about hypocrisy, not talking shit about people liking lolis. Lolis are fine.Lampranthus wrote:
Also if you're talking shit about some guy who's called a loli
I get that it was self-defense thou
And yeah best friends isn't beginner level, the target audience isn't for completely new players
I'm train hopping this thread is hurting my brain
You have to understand that you commented on Mahogany here because you were discussing against him.Lampranthus wrote:
I never said I hated the MLP fandom, I just said that there are a ton of people who would disagree with it and they shouldn't be making fun of someone's ign lol
But oops I'm getting pretty exhausted, should probably just leave
After all it was a loli (aka buny) who just came in here and said:
Just ignore Mahogany, he's pretty autistic.And what did you do?
Defending buny (who was called "loli sex slave" for a while until someone reported him and he was forced to change his nick name) instead of calling both of them idiots.
Lampranthus wrote:
I never said I hated the MLP fandom, I just said that there are a ton of people who would disagree with it and they shouldn't be making fun of someone's ign lol
My intention was to criticize the hypocrisy of calling me autistic while the person themselves had a moniker that could also be considered autistic. I don't have a problem with Lolis myself, just the fact that buny would make such a statement while having that nameLampranthus wrote:
You just said that his name was autistic ???
I get that it was self defense though
Yes, My Little Pony has some sort of sentiment relating to "Autism". That's a fair observation. However, Lolis would carry a similar connotation, and I was just pointing out how hypocritical it was to call me Autistic as an insult when they themselves have something that would invite the same response.
So you admit that it requires some form of speedLampranthus wrote:
And yeah best friends isn't beginner level, the target audience isn't for completely new players
I hope you understand what I mean then
LOLEndaris wrote:
You have to understand that you commented on Mahogany here because you were discussing against him.Lampranthus wrote:
I never said I hated the MLP fandom, I just said that there are a ton of people who would disagree with it and they shouldn't be making fun of someone's ign lol
But oops I'm getting pretty exhausted, should probably just leave
After all it was a loli (aka buny) who just came in here and said:Just ignore Mahogany, he's pretty autistic.And what did you do?
Defending buny (who was called "loli sex slave" for a while until someone reported him and he was forced to change his nick name) instead of calling both of them idiots.
And I don't call that a civil discussion either, it started off pretty rough
Yeah okay, I just think the name is ironic at this point considering it would be like impossible to get a name like thatMahogany wrote:
Lampranthus wrote:
I never said I hated the MLP fandom, I just said that there are a ton of people who would disagree with it and they shouldn't be making fun of someone's ign lolMy intention was to criticize the hypocrisy of calling me autistic while the person themselves had a moniker that could also be considered autistic. I don't have a problem with Lolis myself, just the fact that buny would make such a statement while having that nameLampranthus wrote:
You just said that his name was autistic ???
I get that it was self defense though
Yes, My Little Pony has some sort of sentiment relating to "Autism". That's a fair observation. However, Lolis would carry a similar connotation, and I was just pointing out how hypocritical it was to call me Autistic as an insult when they themselves have something that would invite the same response.
I mean I guess? I don't call that speed though, just aim and approach rate making it look like it's fastMahogany wrote:
So you admit that it requires some form of speedLampranthus wrote:
And yeah best friends isn't beginner level, the target audience isn't for completely new players
I hope you understand what I mean then
I consider speed=BPM
Maho is right because I get to feel good about doing something that by definition required skill
SSing a 4 minute song is daunting in itselfBarusamikosu wrote:
Maho is right because I get to feel good about doing something that by definition required skill
And I don't call that a civil discussion either, it started off pretty roughI'm aware but you weren't as far as calling other people names.
Also you might want to fix your quoting there, you can't use more than 2 quotes in each other unless you're using the forum-alpha/beta at http://new.ppy.sh
But even if it's a speed you and I would consider low at our current skill levels, it's still something that needs to be learnt. A new rhythm game player isn't going to be able to consistently and accurately singletap 168bpm as soon as they start playing: They need to start on easies and normals and slowly build their way up to that speed. They learn and gain the speed-related skills required to singletap 168, something that does require skills in terms of speed.Lampranthus wrote:
I consider speed=BPM
Yes, it's not much speed required, but there still is a speed requirement. It does exist, as low as it might be. (also DT)
I'm a pretty shitty person honestly, I'm not above human standards lolEndaris wrote:
And I don't call that a civil discussion either, it started off pretty roughI'm aware but you weren't as far as calling other people names.
Also you might want to fix your quoting there, you can't use more than 2 quotes in each other unless you're using the forum-alpha/beta at http://new.ppy.sh
Welcome to oss (?)-Toushin wrote:
Nice drama
I tend to forget that autism is a very sensitive topic among the osu community.