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[Rule Change] Guest Mapper should use their osu! username

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Stefan
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Starting from p/4997637 it has been discussed why nicknames are not legit "guest names" for Guest mappers. Since it's not written in the rules despite being ab absolute pointless thing - because this has nothing to do with creativity and freedom - an addition for this should be done.

Guest Mapper should use their username in their Guest Difficulties. This means that the creator of the guest difficulty use their recent username to ensure that they provided the content. Abbreviations can be used in an appropriate amount and should be handled case-by-case.
There is no reason to use an unrelated name - which is only known in a small circle - for a guest difficulty if you can use your username instead. We also cannot exactly know if that's actually true or just an excuse to use a random name just for the running gag/meme's sake. That's not how it should ever works. The Easy Difficulty in this mapset used the name of an existing osu!user - which can implies that they actually made the difficulty.
Aurele
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Aurele
I do understand the matter over here, but the guest mapper is using a name that they identify in. That is why they wrote their real username on the beatmap's page to prevent any confusion. They shouldn't be restricted to use a name they want to be recognized with. The problem would be that they change name everytime they make a guest difficulty for any potential reason.

There was a time when I was identifying as "Veus" for some personal reasons and on this particular map, I had used the name for my guest difficulty. Even thought it was a short period, the mapper decided to write my real username on the beatmap's page.

As long as their real username is written in the tags and in the beatmap's page, it seems okay to me.
Pachiru
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Pachiru
So if my name is xxSasuke98xZz, I should write the name like that?
Endaris
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Endaris
The question is whether we want guest difficulty-names to have an additional informational purpose or not.

If the answer is no there's no reason to even add an additional name at all. Just say "Hard", put the credit into the description/SB, done.
If the answer is yes there's no reason to put ambiguous names that don't give the player an immediate hint. The added name should be the mapper's fullname or a distinctive abbreviation of it which doesn't make much sense either because there might always be a second mapper that starts using the same abbreviation but people cried so much about it in my last thread about this topic that it looks like half of them would commit suicide if you took this away from them
Check here for additional tears: t/400704
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Halogen-
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Halogen-
I feel like it's best to establish an easily recognizable convention for users so that their maps can be found easily when searched. Abbreviations are a good step, but I feel like there should at least be a little bit of stringency.
Mismagius
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Mismagius
I guess this kills my pseudonym entirely :[
"Nogard's Extra" as a guest difficulty was the only way I could use the name (see Snaggletooth's maps or https://osu.ppy.sh/s/187298).

I don't mean it's a bad thing, I don't really disagree with it... but the real username can be put in tags and map description, since it's a matter of common sense.
However, as it's a matter of common sense, there will be people ranking "meme maps" and putting "IT'S JUST A PRANK BRO's Extra" as a difficulty name. I don't know.
DeathHydra
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Blue Dragon wrote:

I guess this kills my pseudonym entirely :[
"Nogard's Extra" as a guest difficulty was the only way I could use the name (see Snaggletooth's maps or https://osu.ppy.sh/s/187298).

I don't mean it's a bad thing, I don't really disagree with it... but the real username can be put in tags and map description, since it's a matter of common sense.
However, as it's a matter of common sense, there will be people ranking "meme maps" and putting "IT'S JUST A PRANK BRO's Extra" as a difficulty name. I don't know.
I think you're already famous enough that most people already know that Nogard = BD = Blue Dragon.

About the rule, I think it's okay as long as the Guest Mapper has solid reason as to why they use that particular name and their username is put into description and tags.
Mismagius
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Mismagius

DeathAdderz wrote:

I think you're already famous enough that most people already know that Nogard = BD = Blue Dragon.
That's not an excuse, though. People will start questioning "if BD can do it, why can't I?". If we're making a rule here, it needs to be objective enough so that it doesn't favour some people.
Endaris
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Endaris
To which mapper is BD referring to anyway?
Blessed Dinosaur?
Beautiful Dongers?
b2579d980?
If they existed you couldn't tell.

Some years back peppy enforced the transition from the "Rin"-Difficulty to "Rin's Insane". I don't see why we can't transition to "Natsume Rin's Insane" now.
It's sensible in the same way that we only rank maps with the correct Title and Artist.
Mismagius
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Mismagius
while i'm well aware you want something that goes for absolute convenience and lack of subjectivity, i don't see how it's currently harming anyone while leaving more space for freedom. the point is that we should always be going towards a balance between objectivity and freedom of choice, and i honestly feel that we're fine in the current situation. Saying "well if you want to use a different name then just change your username" as those said in the previous thread isn't a good idea for everyone (for example, i'd have to pay $8 to change my username to Nogard and then $16 to change it back to Blue Dragon).

maybe we should remove stuff like nogard and supermarket, but i don't see any reason to be able to abbreviate usernames besides complete objectivity. and that's not exactly what the ranking criteria is about, even though it strives for a lot of objectivity.
Endaris
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Endaris
As mentioned before, if GD-names aren't supposed to give the player clear information about the mapper there are two ways approaching it:
1. Including no name at all
2. Naming it whatever the fuck you want. Because it IS just a prank bro. Insane, right? From a standpoint where you look at how useful a guest difficulty name is, there is no distinctive difference between including some unreadable acronym such as "BD" that could mean whatever or calling my Diff "Memebased Insane". Because for both you have to check the description/tags.

There's no logical way to say "yes" to obfuscating abbreviations and "no" to meme-names at the same time.
Mismagius
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Mismagius
isn't that just approaching it with radical objectivity? that's the point of my post. of course, rules should be put into place to avoid people breaking common sense, but i don't see how it is currently hurtful with the current situation. either way, the matter of abbreviations was solved in the previous thread and people already agreed that there's no need to block abbreviations from diffnames. let's just focus on the current matter :P
Liiraye
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Liiraye
So how about if the mapset has a theme in the difficulty names, with own made up difficulty names that are easily understandable. Does a diff need to include the ugly "Liiraye's" which potentially may harm the made up names coherence? I think it's fine to keep the names in tags and referenced instead. This would be affected by this rule.


I never understood why it's so important to show the mappers name in each diff they make, it just makes everything ugly. The tags are there for a reason.
Endaris
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Endaris
It isn't directly hurtful but it would be more useful if the names were clear. I don't see you disagreeing with this either.
Just because the current state isn't directly hurtful(aside from triggering discussions about meme-diffnames) it doesn't mean that you should refrain from improving it.

I also agree with Liiraye that keeping the GDer's name out of the diffname should stay as an option.
There's a difference between information, ambiguous information and no information after all. The first and the latter seem both fine since they don't provoke le dank maymays.
Mismagius
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Mismagius
now that's a bit too far...

yes, it can work for cases like that andrea "xxx's Crazy Love" map, but let's bring it to 2016 standards, imagine if you have the case where there's more than a difficulty in the same range, made by different mappers..
or in some cases it's really useful to know about the mapping style (e.g. Asphyxia's Extra in comparison with fanzhen's Extra). Mapper name in GD title isn't "unnecessary information", it just makes it convenient to know about how the mapping style can be without looking at the map description.
Endaris
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Endaris

Blue Dragon wrote:

Mapper name in GD title isn't "unnecessary information", it just makes it convenient to know about how the mapping style can be without looking at the map description.
Provided you can tell from the mapper name in GD title who mapped it.
Due to all the abbreviations, acronyms and dank nicknames aka Supermarket or Kibbleru's awesome set of writings you have no way of determining who exactly mapped the diff and what to expect from it.
YOU may know that because you've been in the mapping and player community for almost 8 years but the rules for guest difficulty naming shouldn't cater to players that can already be regarded as institutions.

I also still don't know who mapped this cool diff here btw:
https://osu.ppy.sh/b/792525&m=0

Imo there's no immediate harm done to call it fanzhen0019's Extra opposed to fanzhen's Extra. The only difference is that a user who plays that GD and wants to play more maps by fanzhen has an easier time finding the creator(and yes, there are other users called fanzhenxxx).

You may have misunderstood me because your post looks like I would disagree with a diffname like "Asphyxia's Extra". I don't. It contains the full osu! username, 0 ambiguousity, I approve.

/edit: Meditating about the problem while taking a shower has led me to the conclusion that I probably missed the purpose of your post here.
I didn't try to say that guest mapper names shouldnt be used at all in difficulty names. I only agreed on Liiraye's comment that leaving them away altogether should remain as an option(just as it is now). If you do some sort of composure like Zare did on his Daisy-map I have to look for fresh examples a GDer name would kind of break the uniformity of the set therefore not putting GDer names into the difficulty names can be a sensible option.
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Kibbleru
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so skystar right now is not allowed to use 'amamiya yuko'
and amamiya yuko is not allowed to use 'skystar'?

tbh it should be fine as long as the diffs are stated properly in map description.

i dont see a need for this.
Stefan
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About Liiraye's post: I don't aim to have a must-have about Guest Mapper's names in GDs, this is just for the case if they do use it. Might need a better wording to make sure you don't need to include the name.
Monstrata
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This is really unnecessary lol. We've seen maps dq'ed because the custom diff name is "poor quality" either due to it being gibberish or using special characters in an (apparently) non professional manner. Are you going to say that "[[abc123456789xxosuplayerx_]]" is still a better alternative than whatever nickname they gave themselves? (say Abc's Hard). You'd be pretty surprised by the names some people give themselves, and even more surprised by their reluctance to change it.

The purpose of implementing this new rule seems only to restrict mapper expression. You can always check the map description if you actually care enough about the GD creator to want to search up more of their maps. Making this a rule is unnecessary because it will only benefit the few people who are still confused as to what BD / Kibb / etc... stand for, and lack the common sense to check map description.

There hasn't been a rule like this in place for 9 years. If you want GD titles to be "organized and straightforward" you should instead change the diff names of all previously ranked maps because guess what, it doesn't matter if this rule gets implemented, it just means newer maps will follow the rule, while all older maps will continue to confuse people. This "rule" is just a band-aid solution. It won't fix the problem you seem to be trying to address, which is misleading GD names. So for me, this rule is unnecessary since I can't see it leading to any noticeable change anyways.

I'd like to see if new players/mappers even care about misleading GD names, because I think they're all quite straightforward too... It's quite weird hearing complaints like this from active community members, and not from confused people who are just entering the mapping business.
Natsu
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Natsu
stop ¨the restric mappers creativity, style¨ card, is just a name LOL.
Anyways I don't think is needed, the wrong ones should be address in modding process (in the case of that map seems it skipped the modding process), I'd suggest of being consistent with the name you use for your GD, in Blue Dragon case is fine he always use Nogard's, same for dekaane to make his user name shorter, in your example is totally wrong because that mapper use multiple names for his GD which is misleading, at any case just using hard would be better.
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Qiyana
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Qiyana
Does this apply to everyone?
Stefan
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Monstrata wrote:

This is really unnecessary lol. We've seen maps dq'ed because the custom diff name is "poor quality" either due to it being gibberish or using special characters in an (apparently) non professional manner. Are you going to say that "[[abc123456789xxosuplayerx_]]" is still a better alternative than whatever nickname they gave themselves? (say Abc's Hard). You'd be pretty surprised by the names some people give themselves, and even more surprised by their reluctance to change it.

The purpose of implementing this new rule seems only to restrict mapper expression. You can always check the map description if you actually care enough about the GD creator to want to search up more of their maps. Making this a rule is unnecessary because it will only benefit the few people who are still confused as to what BD / Kibb / etc... stand for, and lack the common sense to check map description.

There hasn't been a rule like this in place for 9 years. If you want GD titles to be "organized and straightforward" you should instead change the diff names of all previously ranked maps because guess what, it doesn't matter if this rule gets implemented, it just means newer maps will follow the rule, while all older maps will continue to confuse people. This "rule" is just a band-aid solution. It won't fix the problem you seem to be trying to address, which is misleading GD names. So for me, this rule is unnecessary since I can't see it leading to any noticeable change anyways.

I'd like to see if new players/mappers even care about misleading GD names, because I think they're all quite straightforward too... It's quite weird hearing complaints like this from active community members, and not from confused people who are just entering the mapping business.
I don't think you understand the core reason of this request.
Mismagius
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Mismagius

Natsu wrote:

in Blue Dragon case is fine he always use Nogard's,
I use "Nogard's" for renard-related songs and BD's for anything else, actually. So nope, I guess I fall out of this rule :P
Come[Back]Home
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Come[Back]Home
But would i be allowed to use CBH's ...... or do i actually have to use my fullname?
Monstrata
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Monstrata
There's no need to change an entire rule to address an issue that can be fixed during the modding process lmao. I'm voicing what I think about GD'ers using their osu! username and only their osu username, an issue which is obviously pertinent enough for you to use as the title of your request lol. Call it an extension of the previous discussion (which also ended in no change) if you want.

Some maps like Supermarket's Easy just slipped through the ranking process. Their occurrence are rare, I can only think of 2 examples of this kind of misleading GD name making it to ranked. You trying to push this rule forward in order to prevent Supermarkets/r1ngochan's from being ranked ends up creating more issues that I've already brought up in my previous post. When you want a rule to change, you also have to consider what else changes due to your rule. What I mentioned may not be core to what you want to discuss, but it's still just as important, i just hope you are able to see that.
Pawsu
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Gabe wrote:

As long as their real username is written in the tags and in the beatmap's page, it seems okay to me.
Endaris
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Endaris

Pawsu wrote:

Gabe wrote:

As long as their real username is written in the tags and in the beatmap's page, it seems okay to me.
Inb4, my first Guestdifficulty will be called "Economypopori's Normal".
The second one "Endapleb's Hard".
And the third "Overflow's Extra".
I think I got some more nicknames in my pocket...
ZiRoX
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I'm of the idea that if someone wants to use a different name, he/she is voluntarily accepting it will be harder to track who is the mapper of his/her diff. However, there should still be a limit as to what is allowed and what not (Supermarket being totally stupid, there's no other way to call it), but since setting a hard limit is so hard, it should be handled on a case-by-case basis.
Mismagius
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Mismagius

Endaris wrote:

Pawsu wrote:

Inb4, my first Guestdifficulty will be called "Economypopori's Normal".
The second one "Endapleb's Hard".
And the third "Overflow's Extra".
I think I got some more nicknames in my pocket...
pretty sure the ranking process will be able to track people doing stupid stuff. if maps like supermarket got through, that's because no one cared about it in the past. now that the issue has been raised, I don't think the QAT will let more stupid stuff go through. If you're legitimately doing it for some reason, it's fine. If it becomes obvious that you're trying to meme, then it will not get ranked. I hope.
Endaris
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Endaris
Well, BD, there's this and from the looks it seems like people can call their GDs whatever they want as long as the difficulty creator is properly creditted in the beatmap description.
Therefore - while it may seem stupid - there would be no particular reason to change these difficulty names. I actually have economypopori as a chat-highlight for over a year now. Looks more than legit to me using it as a guest difficulty prefix as it is now...

tl;dr: People care and it gets through.
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Qiyana
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Get ready for a speech. TL;DR


I'm kind of against this idea but its probably not just me too. People can be known as many things and may not want to go with something like Fudkiduf's.

For example, my first username was dylanla12 (May sound familiar to some people.) I did GD's and went by Dylan's ---. Then I changed my name to Dyl-Byl. I still use Dylan's. Some people like to use their iconic nicknames and stuff. Like for example, who would want to go with something like dylanla12's or Ajskewjsjhfhsjd's. Obviously nobody except some hippie-dude.

I also know some people that don't use their real usernames: MkGuh uses Mk's. Blue Dragon sometime uses Nogard. - Magic Bomb - usually uses MBomb's.

As a result, it would probably end up with people not even wanting to make GDs just because of the names. And that could happen.

P.S. I took up public speaking in grade 4 and 5.
OzzyOzrock
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[Nardoxyribonucleic's Inner Oni] just became a thing.
neonat
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I think it is still relevant to just keep the naming to something synonymous to names you used. Having a name that is quite far off with what you are called makes it more likely you use something that someone else uses as well, which limits others if people start to use multiple non-related names Just like there really is someone called supermarket. Spare a thought for them if they ever remotely decide to map?

Don't know if what I said got my point across, but basically using too many variations for each person, it takes those variations out of the equation for other players, especially if those names are more similar to their actual in game name used
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Flower
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Flower
That's why we should encourage osz2. It is still not a perfect solution to use mappers' current usernames as difficulty names.
Kibbleru
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Kibbleru
why does this matter?

as said before, if someone cares enough to check out the gder, then they would care enough to check the map description

we dont need to be wasting time on such a minor issue.
Endaris
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Endaris

Kibbleru wrote:

we dont need to be wasting time on such a minor issue.
Once the rule is set we will be wasting much less time on the topic though because there won't be countless discussions about le maymay GD names.

This reminds me that you could name your own difficulties on your own set in the same way as long as you credit yourself in the beatmap description.
Uses the exact same way of obfuscating the mapper for the sake of living out the big mapper freedom therefore it should be fine too.
And it would be a shame to not live out that mapper freedom to its fullest after everyone here fought for it with all their might.

/edit: yay, YomiFart's Hard just got qualified. Wonder what is next.
-Makishima S-
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Below it's just my personal opinion.

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I don't see this at all, first of all - it looks more like creating another pointless thing to get people eyes out of let's say more important problems, which i see as limiting creativity, limiting common sense over mapping and songs and forcing artificial meta about "how map should look" eg. sliders like that, circles like that, etc. For me it looks like someone (say hi to Loctav / trot / whoever else is responsible for this) really wants to force something what will in longer term - not just deny players from mapping for ranking but make them don't even care about mapping for it since it will be notpoint at all for this - that's how works forcing limitations.

About the topic:

Now, imagine that random player named for example "qwerty12345asdffgg" will create a beautyfull GD for a map, fully rankable, with big respect from the community but - do you think that name of difficulty like "qwerty12345asdffgg's Insane" looks nice and like recently some people try to say "professional? Hell no, it looks more like a joke.

Sam: Hey bro, i got FC on qwerty12345asdffgg's Insane
Robert: what? *confused face*

Speaking about nicknames: Personally, i don't really care how is diff named, i like way more custom names tan [nickname]'s [difficulty] - it doesn't sound like a part of a map, it doesnt express what map is presenting. If a mapper decide to name it like that, his choice, if he decide to use pen name, it's also his right since he is a creator of an art and he have right to name it as a [pen name]'s [difficulty].
CRN as caren_sk - fine for me, right now i cannot imagine playing a map named "caren_sk's blablabla", just please, CRN is well known mapper. Same goes for 0108 as a val0108. Whenever i see Rin, i know i am playing a diff made by Natsune Rin and literally i don't see any point of making this look like "Natsune Rin's Insane".

Placing information who mapped a diff in description is enough in my opinion - allowing custom difficulty names in full spread as far as it express difficulty of a map.
I am against forcing nicknames and difficulty names since it's just forcing an artificial problem with "might look professional" but at the end will look just stupid and amusing.
Mekki
Mekki
I don't get this idea, it seems pretty unnecessary, like, I don't like to use MkGuh's on my GDs cuz imo is pretty bad, so I use Mk that's nice and mostly all my friends call me like that. Anyways, there is much more mappers that don't like to use their nicknames on GDs usually cuz it's pretty long and weird etc. So I don't agree with this rule :l
those
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those

Spotty wrote:

So if my name is xxSasuke98xZz, I should write the name like that?
YES. You chose your alias because that's what you wanted to be called. Why would you select a username that you don't want other people calling you by?
neonat
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Nobody here would be too concerned honestly, as those who post here already established themselves and don't really have to worry about having their name they want to use taken away. But if someone who joins in later on finds out that even his/her actual IGN had been used for GD naming, just because anyone can freely name the difficulties whatever they want, they would feel weird to use it as well. Then you really have to go to the description just to see if that xxx name used in the difficulty really made that difficulty, or someone else just randomly used it.

I mean sure, supermarket seems to be a dead account, but you never know when someone really uses it once again, or the person comes back and decides to map, and this would apply to any other subsequent 'nicknames' far off the IGN the person currently uses.

Restricting the use of only their full username would be harsh, but I believe some control and restraint should be exercised to ensure no ridiculous naming occurs, like a different name for every GD for one mapper, or at least some semblance to their username or something synonymous at the very least, to their current username
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Mekki
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neonat wrote:

Restricting the use of only their full username would be harsh, but I believe some control and restraint should be exercised to ensure no ridiculous naming occurs, like a different name for ever GD for one mapper, or at least some semblance to their username or something synonymous at the very least, to their current username
Completely indeed
Mismagius
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Mismagius

neonat wrote:

Restricting the use of only their full username would be harsh, but I believe some control and restraint should be exercised to ensure no ridiculous naming occurs, like a different name for ever GD for one mapper, or at least some semblance to their username or something synonymous at the very least, to their current username
This is exactly what I've been proposing and people still want only the exact mapper's name to be allowed.
-Makishima S-
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Restricting the use of only their full username would be harsh, but I believe some control and restraint should be exercised to ensure no ridiculous naming occurs, like a different name for ever GD for one mapper, or at least some semblance to their username or something synonymous at the very least, to their current username
That's nicely said. To be honest control over not taking active player exact name is right.

people still want only the exact mapper's name to be allowed.
I think nobody went into situation where there can be situation with 2/3 mappers named by same name but written in different way (ASCII characters etc) or very simillar once will make a problem. This is cleary theoretical but can happend.
Mismagius
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Mismagius
To be honest, there was a small case about this before. Reiji-RJ used "RJ's Hard" as a difficulty name, which was actually the same thing RandomJibberish used to put. There wasn't really much of an issue about it however, no one ever actually complained about it (besides me) so I just don't see how this could be an issue.
-Makishima S-
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Sorry, spelled it wrong way.

I mean that if there are 2-3 theoretically same users who make a GD, there will be 2-3 GD with almost same name - that's why forcing exact username is in my opinion bad idea.
Blue Dragon = Blue Dragon's [diff]
BIue Dragon = BIue Dragon's [diff]
For me it looks very weird. Ingame font render "I" like "l" so it wouldn't be any difference. Just fast example.
Pen names gives creator of art a unique identity and that's why people use it.
This case what you said BD is weird, i don't think that Reiji knew about other guy.
xxdeathx
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I'm fine with any reasonable (read: case-by-case) abbreviation of the mapper's current or past names (BD, Skystar, Amamiya Momoko, Kibb, Cloud, Gu, lfj, to name a few), but you really do have to question the use of names like Quib or Kibboo...
Sonnyc
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Sonnyc
Then what about cases where GD mapper or whoever doesn't prefers adding "mapper's" [Difficulty]? Will it be still fine then not to add anything?

Actually from this view, adding at least a random username to indicate that this is a GD and not made by the creator would rather benefit than having nothing at all.

Though using something inidicating the actual GD mapper's username might be the best lol
neonat
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neonat
The "mapper's name" [difficulty] was in the first place there so that people can immediately tell that it was done by another person other than the beatmap owner, in a way to show the acknowledgement of someone else playing a part in making that. If the GDer does not really want to indicate as such, I think it is fine as a choice he/she can make, to remain more obscure. Of course credit has to be given, but that would be done in the description.

This is why it would be odd to be using very odd names that would not immediately indicate the person who made the GD and is just used at random. It actually becomes like a custom name if it's used once-off (maybe? sort of, I don't know, but it would still seem striking). Nice to see people here too stress that some reasonable and sensible names be used.
Endaris
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Joined June 2010
Endaris

neonat wrote:

It actually becomes like a custom name if it's used once-off (maybe? sort of, I don't know, but it would still seem striking).
yey, someone understood my main reason for opening the first thread.
Custom difficulty names are only allowed for the highest diff in a set.
Doing GDs effectively circumvents this rule with the current state of things because you can put whatever as long as you also put the difficulty indicating keyword.
HootOwlStar
765 posts
Joined May 2014
HootOwlStar
While the ranked maps have no way to be fixed the problem unless cramming a lot of efforts by changing the names one by one, the issue still can be focused for the sake of future maps.

Actually fixing the name/abbreviation used in diff names might be better in my opinion.

It is more effective to let the mappers think about how they wanted to be clarified in their diffs instead of just fixing them to use their profile names. No matter the mappers decide to use their profile names or create a relatable one for diff naming eg. abbreviation, nicknames or whatever names they wanted to be recognised with in mapping, they have the rights to make their own decisions. Some people decided to make another name for difficulty naming to covert their profile more and avoid too much recognization so let them be. Some just think using the specific name is cooler in difficulty naming so let them be too. No matter they want to be recognised "Supermarket" or "meme king", it's their choice and no one should have the rights to control.

Of course allowing abbreviations and stuff will cause the misuse of the naming power, so it should be like players are given chance to make any names for their first ranked GD and encourage them to fix the name used for the latter mapping projects. Sth like if one used ABC's [diff] for their first ranked GD then the ABC name clarification should be fixed and other GDs should be named like ABC's [diff]. It still provides the chance for a mapper to enjoy freedom // their another mapper identity like one mapper could have dual identities which sounds like mappers' special rights lo that's not the point :/ and avoid the mappers from using various names just because iTS A PRANK or sth like that

Name crashing can be avoided if research is done properly and sufficiently eg. check whether the abbreviation is exactly others' profile names + the abbreviation is used by other mappers in difficulty naming.

Recognization of mappers shouldn't be controlled by a third party. One have the rights to make decision whether oneself wants to be known or keep on hiding their profile identity.

Guest Mappers should fix their name clarifications, which is set in their first ranked Guest Difficulty, in the difficulty naming of their latter Guest Difficulties. This is to ensure mappers for not overcreating various names for a single identity and to avoid confusion in identification of mappers for community members.
A mapper should not use name clarifications that have been used by another mapper or that it is exactly the profile name of another community member. Researches should be done too before applying names to ensure the prevention of identity crashing.
I think the above will do the trick more.
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